1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: You may have wondered why when you were a kid 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: you were asked to clap in response to your music 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: teacher tar tar t t tar. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Tar tar t titar. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: If I'm eleven, I go. She just said, titty, you know, 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 3: maybe you could. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Recall a piercing cacophony of thirty two recorders, screeching Mary 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: had a little lamb in unison, the spital of your 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: classmates just being flung. 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: All over the room in residence, with the. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: Painful harmonics which come from boiling too hard into those 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: repugnant things. 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: The same company that makes those things make some of 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: the most extraordinary motorbikes, tuning forks and violins and pianos. 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: What a yemah and jet skis? I don't know. 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: So you might have wondered. 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Then you might be wondering right now, why on earth 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: did I have to do music? Look, it wasn't because 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: your teachers believed that you were going to be the 22 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: next Richard Tognetty, the profoundly talented, world renounded violinist who's 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: the artistic director of the Australian Chamber Orchestra. Nor was 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: it because they thought you know what the next Katie Noonan, 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: she could be here. 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: Let's see how she goes. 27 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: No, the research is clear early musical education has actually 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: got a profound effect on your ability to develop things 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: like motor skills, language ability. You can increase cognitive function 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: later in life, your spatial reasoning when you're thinking about 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: things like maths and geometry and stuff, your impulse control, 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: your social skills, your emotional intelligence, and your overall well being. 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: The research is it's strong man, and that all sounds 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: pretty good, certainly sounds a lot better than thirty two recorders. 35 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: But what happens when you combine all. 36 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Of those things musical education, and combine that with powerful 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: messaging about independence, good nutrition, sleeping through the night, and 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: even toilet training, Well you get the teeny tiny Stevie's 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: that's what you Yet, what these two fantastic ladies have 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: to say about the role that music has in making 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: sure your kid gets the most out of life when 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: they're little and when they're big. It's well worth getting around. 43 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: But I do have to play some ass to keep 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: the lights on. So we're back after the break. Good day, 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. This is better than yesterday. Helping 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: you make today better than yesterday since twenty thirteen. My 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: name's Oosha Ginsburg. I'm a podcaster, I'm a best selling author. 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm a husband, I'm a dad, I'm a stepdad. I'm 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: a keynote speaker. I'm a treadmill assembler, i am a 50 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: leaky draft weather strip installer. 51 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: And I am glad you're here. Thanks for listening. 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: If you want to stay in touch, get around the 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: newslettery you can find at Oshi ginsburg dot com. 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: There's also a contact form there if you want to 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: reach out to me directly. 56 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely thrilled to welcome my guests today, and not 57 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: just because they gave Wolfgang and I probably the most 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: fun song to sing about. 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: Pooping that I could have asked for. 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Teenny Tiny Stevie is a fantastic They are an ARIA 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: Award winning kids group, The sisters Bill and Beth Steven, 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: Stephen Steve's, the Stev's. 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: The Tiny Stev's goes on. 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: They talk about it so Teenny Tiny Stev's have been 65 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: singing helpful songs to little people for nearly a decade, 66 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: giving parents and kids alike a common touch point for 67 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: the important development moments that happen in young lives and 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: much like a Blue episode, I don't know. Bush wee 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: is a really simple two word thing that you've seen demonstrated, 70 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: and it's the kid knows, the parent knows. 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: This is what we're doing now. 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: Similarly, Teenny tiny ctve song has been really useful for 73 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: me and my family and not just me, many families 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: around Australia. Yet on their latest record, the newest one, 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: they add songs in there about dealing with climate change. 76 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: And they still make it sound delightful. 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: That is a true skill one to itself. 78 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Teeny Tines seem is a during the country right now, 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: actually stating in July and they're going all the way 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: through to October. Don't worry the early gigs. Everyone's home 81 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: in time for lunch and an app. They're not silly. 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: I'll put the link in the show notes. I hope 83 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: you enjoy getting to know Bill and Beth. 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: As much as I did. 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: So grateful that you guys said yes to this, because 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: I'm just so excited. 87 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: That you wanted to come on at Chat. 88 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: Because what you're doing is a really important thing and 89 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you understand you might understand the 90 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: impact that your music has. 91 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 4: I think, do you know you know what I feel like? 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 4: I understand the impact when we have people write to 93 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 4: us and share some very personal and intimate stories or 94 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: situations that they have had or sort of witnessed with 95 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: their kids. And a couple of things that come to 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: mind of when parents have written about their child who 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: might be nonverbal, who say, you know they're nonverbal, but 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: they sing to your songs, and your songs have have 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: helped in a particular way, and that's pretty amazing. That's 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 4: quite extraordinary. 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have known each other a while, your 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: whole lives. Even how early did the music stuff start? 103 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: Who was who was first on on the acts? It 104 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: was the first to make some noise with a machine. 105 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: It's a good question. Yeah, probably, I mean I do 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 4: most things first, so she does. She feels four years 107 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 4: older than me, so I mean as kids, I idolized 108 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: her as kids and as as adults. And now yeah, 109 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 4: I would say that you did. Yeah, because as you say, 110 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 4: you did everything. Yeah, yeah, probably who knows, but yeah, 111 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 4: I'm just remembering right now. First songs because mom, mum 112 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 4: and dad are a musicians and that's why we started 113 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: making music and I think I think we were almost 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: sort of forced into it in some ways, but which 115 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 4: is great. I'm very grateful for that now obviously, But 116 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: I think, like you know, my first song was like 117 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 4: there's a cat outside the window really oh so bad? 118 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what kind of music as were your folks? 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: Are you about to tell me that? Like, I know 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: they were the horn section for the Models. They were amazing. 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 4: Well, well, they both had different bands when they were 122 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 4: when they weren't together as a couple. So Dad was 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 4: in a band called the Pipe Pipers in their day, 124 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 4: and they were on a television show with John Farnham. 125 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, I forget the name of it. 126 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: I've heard of him. 127 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 4: Do you believe it's magic? I think that was the 128 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 4: show anyway. And Mum was in a band called Dove 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: and then when they got together they still did some 130 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 4: original stuff, but then it sort of shifted, I think, 131 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: to more covers when we were little, so they sort 132 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: of you know, bought and paid off a house with 133 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 4: their covers band. It was very scessful in the eighties. 134 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: Was there a musical thing that I mean, there was 135 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: music everywhere, but was there some music that made you go, 136 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: oh oh, that. 137 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean when we were younger, it 138 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 4: was anything. I personally just remember just getting the love 139 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: of singing and kind of discovering the effect that singing 140 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: has on you physically and how good that makes you feel. 141 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: I reckon and I just got hooked on it. But 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 4: then when we got a bit older, definitely like bands 143 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: like Tittus. Yeah, they had a huge impact on us because, 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 4: you know, Mum and Dad took us to see it, 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: took us to the Odd Festival and took us to see, 146 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 4: you know, the groups that they were really into. They 147 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: were usually harmony groups, and they were definitely one that 148 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: we saw when we were at that very you know, 149 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: that sort of young teen age. Yeah. I don't think 150 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: i'd seen a local band of females singing together before 151 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: like that, before we saw Titus, And that was probably 152 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: the moment where something along the lines of, oh, I 153 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: can do this, I could do this. 154 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: Nice to hear the name of that band again, I know. 155 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, when it came to, you know, writing your own staff, 156 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, as a young person, I remember there no 157 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: one gave permission to people to write their own stuff. 158 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: We and that's that's a big part of our story, 159 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 4: like we you know, we started playing in front of 160 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: people far too soon, Like we definitely shouldn't have. We 161 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: should have spent probably many years. But I think that 162 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 4: that probably comes off the back of having Mum and 163 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 4: Dad who have always been so supportive and encouraging and 164 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: probably made us believe that we were potentially better than 165 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: what we were, yeah, in the early stages, you know, 166 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 4: real early, and so we just kind of went in 167 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: blindly of going, oh, well, you know, I guess we 168 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: just do this, you know, yeacause I would just get 169 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 4: it that we were all right at it, so we'll 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: get gigs at festivals, which we did, and then like 171 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: maybe just sort of starting very ambitious. But I think, 172 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 4: you know, that's always generally a good thing. It's to 173 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: just aim high because the worst that can happen is 174 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 4: that you maybe don't get quite there, and the first 175 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: go that you might just get there, you know, sooner 176 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: than you think. 177 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: So I'm glad they did encourage you, because, especially when 178 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: it comes to creativity, if we didn't believe that we 179 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: were good enough or no, we don't belong on that stage, 180 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: and there'd be no amount of good enough or belonging 181 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: that could be yours without getting on stage, that would 182 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: ever be enough to get you there. 183 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: At some point you just have to go, oh no, 184 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: I belong there. 185 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, you figure it out exactly, sometimes in front 186 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: of an audience, often most maybe for a good few years, 187 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: you do yeah, yeah, yeah. And like the opposite of 188 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: that is never doing it or never putting anything out, 189 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 4: which you see that too, And there's I know, really 190 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: really talented people that haven't put stuff out, and that 191 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: I feel like the only difference between me and this 192 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: person is that I just started putting stuff out. I 193 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: just started doing it and just putting it out and 194 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: putting it out and then yeah, whatever sort of lucky 195 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: enough to have that thing inside you that doesn't hold 196 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: you back. 197 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: So what that is? That the message for people who 198 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 3: are listening to this and whether it. 199 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Be a book or a painting or you know, going 200 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: to go and try for a job that they've always wanted, 201 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: is that the message? 202 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: Let's make it the message? Yeah, that's that's makes pretty 203 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 4: the message confirmed. What was the message you get? What's 204 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: the message that we just do the thing? Just do it, 205 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: do the thing, don't hold yourself back by thinking of 206 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: all the ways that it might go wrongs on yourself. 207 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: I don't know it will go wrong, but do it anyway, Like, 208 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: just do it, especially creative stuff, because that's the stuff 209 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 4: that makes us alive. I mean, there's a lot of 210 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 4: embarrassing moments that you have to sit in and a 211 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: lot of discomfort that you have to sit in being 212 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: whilst other people are watching, which is the worst part. 213 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: But you know, those times end up being the funny 214 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: obtest memories and the funniest memories, and you end up 215 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 4: laughing about those times with the people that you were 216 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: in them with and just having the strongest bond yeah, 217 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 4: you know, stronger than any other bond and relationship are. 218 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: I did kind of crow by you into saying that, 219 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: but because I knew you were going to say that. 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 3: But it's not as find ad I say it. 221 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: Because it's only when I'm listening to people who have 222 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: been through it and have the results and the runs 223 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: on the board of over a decade or least of 224 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: music and really transformative songs that have helped people through 225 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: their day and help them with their kids. 226 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: You know that would never have happened if you went, ah, no, 227 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: I'm not there yet. Should we should probably rehearse more. 228 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. I should say for anyone who doesn't know 229 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 4: our history, which is probably everybody, we did not start 230 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 4: as a kids band. We have been. Yeah, we started 231 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: as teenagers just in a band, our own non kids band. 232 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 4: It's funny once you've got a kids band, then you 233 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: have to like differentiate and say the non adult band, 234 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: which is good anyway. Yeah, called the Little Stevie for 235 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 4: years and years and years, and we still play shows 236 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: mostly at festivals as a Little Stevie's hashag, not a 237 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: kid's band. And then a few years ago we started 238 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: a kid's music side project called Teeny Chinese Stevie's And 239 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: that was really a way to, you know, because we 240 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: were having to ask ourselves some big questions. We want 241 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 4: to keep playing music and doing this in some capacity, 242 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 4: you know, ideally the main capacity in terms of work, 243 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 4: but how are we going to actually sustain that and 244 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 4: turn that into something that we can do and prioritize 245 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: amongst all the other things, all the other pressures and 246 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: commitments that you need to fulfill. So this was our 247 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: pivot somewhat. 248 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: And why not, you know, to have something that you 249 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: weren't planning on becoming amazing. 250 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: Suddenly, what's that like? 251 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: Really good? I mean we were always planning on it 252 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: becoming amazing, of course, I mean we were hoping. We 253 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: always we always knew we could do it. It's just 254 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: what would people notice? I think maybe that that also 255 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: is an example of the slight Maybe you need a 256 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: slight element of delusion to keep doing Oh it's so 257 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 4: deluded music for such an extended amount of time. But 258 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: you know with that, you also you lead everyone else 259 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: along with you, your families and then your kids, and 260 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: you make everyone believe that, yes, this is the something, 261 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 4: this is the next thing. I love it. 262 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: And when it comes to, you know, being in a 263 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: band and touring, as you mentioned with kids, I think, well, Hanson, 264 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: I think there's twenty one kids. 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: I think between THEO my gosh is there. 266 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Taylor's got seven kids. 267 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: But look at him, one beautiful, gorgeous I'm pregnant just 268 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: thinking about. 269 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: Him, Like he's just fair enough. Yeah, you know, what 270 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 3: are the challenge what are the challenges there? 271 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: You know, we understand a lot about what it is 272 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: in someone's career when they have kids, and you know 273 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: the moments that their career path. 274 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: And their trajectory around around that. But what is it 275 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: in the music industry. 276 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: Don't hear that much unless you're reanner and you've got 277 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: enough money to just go I'll be back in two years. 278 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I like this, I reckon everyone who has 279 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: a kid could probably relate to this. But I know 280 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: that when I had my first kid, the like it 281 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 4: really hit me when he came out that someone needs 282 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 4: to be looking after him at every minute of the day, 283 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: like I can't, you know, so, so logistically that becomes 284 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: very difficult. You know, someone has to be looking after 285 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: these kids all the time, and even if you're not 286 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: the one looking after them, you're the one organizing the 287 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: person who's looking after them. And if that falls through, 288 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: then you have to organize, you know, and reorganize the 289 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: logistics of that, and you're all of that is waited 290 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 4: on you and you're carrying all of that responsibility. 291 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: And you're still trying to find ukulele strings in Rockington exactly. 292 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's tricky. And then when you talk 293 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: about music and touring, you know, I guess you don't 294 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: hear of it happening a lot because it's just really hard. 295 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: You know, logistically, it's very difficult to travel to lots 296 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 4: of different places within short amounts of time with kids 297 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: who require car seats and who need to be fed 298 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 4: and slept, And there's an element of them being able 299 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 4: to fit in to what you do, for sure, But 300 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: it doesn't mean that it doesn't make the experience of 301 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: doing a loading and a sound check that happen pleasant 302 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: if they're screaming because they're like, I'm tired and I'm hungry, 303 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: I want this thing now, but you're busy doing the 304 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: other thing, and so you know, that's not really comfortable 305 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 4: or pleasant for anyone. 306 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like the old days where you can 307 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: just put it in sleep at the feet of the 308 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: people in the VP room with the other kids. 309 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 4: That's right, I know. Well there's no VIP room or 310 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: there's no rooms all right. 311 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: At least you're playing decent hours. At least you're playing, 312 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: that's true. You're not on stage at ten after two 313 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: other best you're on early, which is good, but it 314 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: is getting means getting up early. I'd love to talk about, 315 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, music education and the importance of music education 316 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: with kids. Was there a point when as an adult 317 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: you started to appreciate you spoke about a little, but 318 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: what is it about getting into music and playing and 319 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: singing when you're really little, like I'm talking three four five, 320 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: like pre school literally pre school. Reflecting on that, you know, 321 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: is there a point where you think about the value 322 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: that that has and how we might value that in 323 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: our community around like funding or different programs to schools. 324 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's definitely. It's like it's so essential 325 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: for everyone at that age and beyond, I mean, it 326 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 4: helps everything. It helps your self confidence, it helps your 327 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 4: self expression, it helps navigate relationships, all of the things 328 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: that we use every day with connecting and relating to 329 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: other people. It boosts I feel anyway. And then sort 330 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: of beyond that, the skills, the other skills that you 331 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 4: learn in terms of discipline that you don't realize you're 332 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: learning until a lot of time has passed. It's sort 333 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 4: of that compounding effect of you know, practicing regularly and 334 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 4: you hate it at the time. You know, a lot 335 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: of us hate it like I've got to do the 336 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: practice again, you know, if you're doing an instrument at 337 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: school or whatever. But then you look back on the 338 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 4: sort of compound pound effect of that and go, oh wow, wow, 339 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: look what I can do now, and that's really really cool. 340 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: And then yeah, just that bond that you have with 341 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: other people through that shared experience is amazing because you're 342 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: being vulnerable when you're being creative, you're being vulnerable. You 343 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 4: can't not be vulnerable, and I think through that, through 344 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: that vulnerability, you make deep connections with people. 345 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: If people wanted to, you know, kind of if they're 346 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: not a musical person, or they may have didn't have 347 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: parents who played in a touring band and they understand 348 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: that they might have missed, or they want their kids 349 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: to get into music. 350 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: What are some ways that people who go. 351 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't have a musical mom and body, I can't 352 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: hold a no, what are some ways that they might 353 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: be able to help their little ones engage in music. 354 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 4: Well, obviously listen to Stevie's shows. I mean that decide. Yeah. 355 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: I used to go. 356 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 4: I mean I used to just go to all the 357 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 4: local community things that were on offer musical groups, and 358 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: there's so much, there's so many of them, and I 359 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 4: think the people that run those things are absolute superstars. 360 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: It's not for me running them running them, No no, no, no, 361 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: no no no no. You might think that that's a 362 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 4: similar thing. But I was like, no, no, no, but gosh, 363 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: I appreciated going with my kids. I loved just having 364 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 4: having that time every week or every you know whatever, 365 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: to go and sit around with other parents and other 366 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: kids and you know, just bang on something or pick 367 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: some ballop and like make some stupid you know whatever. 368 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 4: It was just it was freeing, and you know, it 369 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 4: felt like there weren't many rules about anything and just 370 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 4: have instruments around the house as annoying as it is. Yeah, 371 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 4: you know, to have to have a keyboard plugged in 372 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 4: or like a drum machine or something like that, or 373 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 4: you know, all the percussive instruments. Yeah, it's just having 374 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 4: access to the stuff. That's so true, actually having access. 375 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: We've got the keyboard, you know, my little practice keyboard 376 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: that's plugged in all the time, and when every screen 377 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: in the house is off and there's literally nothing else 378 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: to do. Some of my my some of my kids, 379 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 4: one of my kids only have two knots. Even one 380 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: of them will go and sort of start fiddling around 381 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 4: or whatever, and I'll you know, be doing something in 382 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 4: the kitchen and I'll just look over and think to myself, 383 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 4: that's some good parenting. And also one just last thing 384 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: is to you know, and I noticed this at my 385 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 4: house and I know this may not be for everyone, 386 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 4: but you know, when I do my yoga or whatever, 387 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 4: you know, over time my two kids have just started, 388 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: it can be very annoying because they really do interfere 389 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 4: with my with your flow, but they start copying, you know. 390 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: So even if you're not musical yourself, I don't know. Yeah, 391 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 4: I'll try to model. If you're not music yourself, don't 392 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 4: sing otherwise I'll copy. No, I'm just I'm kidding. Sing sing, 393 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 4: always singing. 394 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: Which leads me to the beautiful part that I adore 395 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: about your band is the way am brains work with 396 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: learning things. We can learn things if we If I 397 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: speak something to you, you can learn it. But I 398 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: can tell you the phone number of a pizza shop 399 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: in Brisbane from nineteen eighty six because it was sung 400 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: to me on a radio. 401 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: Ad once me too. 402 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that wild? 403 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: What is it about when we add a melody to 404 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: a piece of information. 405 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: It's really fascinating And that's it. That was a big part. 406 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 4: Like when we decided to tain series has has big 407 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 4: intention behind it. When we started to Uh. When we 408 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: made that choice to do this side project, this side 409 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 4: project which has now become the main project, we were like, 410 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 4: all right, because it was it was going to be. 411 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 4: It wasn't even necessarily going to be kids stuff. We 412 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 4: were I think at the time we were like, well, 413 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: should we do like a comedy act or it could 414 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 4: Stankfully we did kids music, thankfully for everybody. We decided 415 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 4: for us that we were gonna if we were going 416 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: to write earworms, you know they're going to get stuck 417 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 4: in kids' heads and parents' heads. One, we wanted the 418 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 4: music to sound sophisticated and good, like music you want 419 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: to listen to, or you're happy to listen to, you're 420 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 4: happy to bring into the house. And two with the lyrics, 421 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 4: we were really mindful and we always have been with 422 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 4: everything that we put out, that that the lyrics are 423 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: useful in some way useful, So if we're going to 424 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 4: get stuck in your head, it may as well be 425 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 4: something that is that is helpful or is. 426 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: A way in the way I've used them is like 427 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: in the middle of you know, like it is six 428 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: point fifteen and we still haven't had dinner and there's 429 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: no bath yet. If you can throw a song that 430 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: suddenly kind of hits a circuit breaker about what we're 431 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: trying to do. 432 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, that's right, that's what you know. It 433 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: really helps. 434 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: How good is music as a circuit breaker as well 435 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: as a musician. It is alarming how often I forget 436 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: to put music on, Like I'm not the person in 437 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: my house it puts music on, which is a real shame. 438 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 4: But I really appreciate when my part puts music on. 439 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: Some I'm like, oh, I love this stuff. 440 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: What is it. 441 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 5: Is? 442 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: It is really it's really special. 443 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: And the kind of music that you create, and that is, yes, 444 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: very useful. Is the reason that because the volume and 445 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: not the decertbel level. When you are a parent of 446 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: little kids, the volume, as in the amount of times 447 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: you hear a song is impenetrable. 448 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 3: If they like that, you are going to. 449 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: Know every drum beat soever, they will not want to 450 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: play it. Ever, you'll listen to the same songs thousand 451 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: monthers around and so some stuff that isn't helpful, Like 452 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: there's one particular show that he watched, Wolfgang what he 453 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: went to ones nineteen ones for Yes, the little one. 454 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: He'll watch one particular show and it does nothing. It's 455 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: just like twenty two minutes of bright colors and the 456 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: only joke is a person falling over. That's the only joke. 457 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: But it's used in seventy seven different ways, and it's 458 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: like that's a whereas the other one. I can sing 459 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: you a song about structural engineering in thirty seconds. I 460 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: can sing you everything I need to know about aerodynamics 461 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: and rising Newton's first little remotion. 462 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: It's really yeah. 463 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So to have a song that I can sing 464 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: the Wolfgang about going to the toilet. 465 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: That's handy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's handy, isn't it. It's 466 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 4: funny as well as an adult or as a parent, well, 467 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 4: I think we're all similar, Like, without even realizing you're 468 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: doing it, you're kind of, oh, I really like this, 469 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 4: this is terrible. Oh my gosh, you know, like and 470 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: the stuff that you can get something out of as 471 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 4: an adult, I always find that I'm sort of I'm 472 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: putting it in front of my kids more. Yeah, for sure, 473 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 4: you know, if it's if it's something that I'm finding 474 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 4: enjoyable or and so yeah, when we're recording the songs 475 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 4: and writing them, that's definitely at the forefront of our 476 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: minds too. Yeah, that parents are going to be listening. 477 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: That they're the people who are going to hear these 478 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: songs over and over from it, and yeah, so they 479 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: need to enjoying it from some decent sounding music. And also, 480 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: you know, sometimes like lyrics and be useful, but often 481 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: we like to put a little little nod to allegedly, 482 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: who are you going to hear? Ah? I did that. 483 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: That's what makes it good. 484 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: I think if you if you're if you're creating stuff 485 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: for a children's television or children's musical audience, you can't 486 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: just sing a dumb song that has lots of squeaking sounds, 487 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: which was every LP that I was given as a kid. 488 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: No, it's got to have some mom for about it. 489 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Yes, And yeah, like when it comes to music, playing 490 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: music for kids, you know, tell me about you know, 491 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: playing stuff that isn't just kids music. 492 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 4: Well, look, it's really fun to play live because you 493 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 4: look out into the audience and you're witnessing all of 494 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: these beautiful interactions between parents and their kids. So that 495 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: so live that is something that is really special and 496 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 4: very enjoyable for us. Yeah, and you know, and kids, 497 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 4: they they enjoy it in all different ways. You know, 498 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 4: some kids sit there like this if yeah time, and 499 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 4: then they can't stop talking about it for the next 500 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 4: few weeks. And then other kids are dancing on the 501 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 4: dance floor. Other kids are just you know, are sitting 502 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 4: and just sitting quite looking staring, which you know, when 503 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: we used to play Little Stevie shows, we would often, 504 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 4: I shouldn't say often come off stage, but you know 505 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: there were definitely times where you go, oh, that person 506 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: really didn't look like they're enjoying it. Well, yeah, that's 507 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: that me and Dyson's got that quote which something like 508 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 4: the look of concentration can be confused with the look 509 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 4: of what is it boredom? 510 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: Wow? 511 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is I know exactly you're talking about. 512 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: And it bothers, Yes, it bothers you. There's people you're 513 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: looking at having a great time. 514 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: You're like, why isn't that person? 515 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: Yes, you're trying to get there bothers you. In the 516 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: same way that when you're playing a festival slot before 517 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: the end of your set, people sometimes walk out because 518 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: I can catch someone else who's starting, and you don't. 519 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: You don't keep your eyes on the five hundred people 520 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 4: still there. All you're doing is looking at the ten 521 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: people walking away, go where are you going? They must 522 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 4: be hating me. 523 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 3: Force give up? Now do people recognize you. 524 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: To be recognized us? Yeah, when you're out, it's happening 525 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: a little bit more lately. 526 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Well, now you're not sugar gliders. Now you're putting videos 527 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: of your actual health health. 528 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, people recognize you a lot more. I get social 529 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 4: media messages about where you've been. I got one the 530 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: other day, well, well one of you at the you 531 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 4: know wherever, And I was like, well, that wasn't me, 532 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 4: but that is where Beth leaves. I get that with Beth. 533 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: But I'm getting a little bit a little bit self 534 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 4: conscious because I do and I'm totally probably projecting this, 535 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 4: but I feel like there's potentially this little element of 536 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 4: people who follow the band who might who might think 537 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 4: that we're parenting experts. 538 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: Oh we're not. 539 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 4: No, no, no no, And that couldn't be further from 540 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 4: the truth. And so sometimes when I'm interacting with my children, 541 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 4: when it could be better and I could be an 542 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: improved version of myself, sometimes I think, hah, if someone 543 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 4: knows the band, I wonder how this might look. Yeah, 544 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: I mean, you know a little about. 545 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: This the only expert like you are just singing songs 546 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: about stuff that everyone else is trying to get their 547 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: kids to do, and whether it helped. 548 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: You know, you get changed by yourself now and we're 549 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: going to help you do that. 550 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: Or you know, tickling is fun until it's not and 551 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: here's a song about I'd like you to stop that, 552 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: or you know. 553 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: This is my body. 554 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: It's really cool concepts that you want to be able to. 555 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, it gives you language to speak to your 556 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: kids about it. That's nothing that you know, that's the 557 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: same stuff everyone talks about. And to think that someone 558 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: would look at you. 559 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: And go, you have to be perfect. 560 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: You wrote the song like come on man, days you go. 561 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: No, literally, you are going to watch ten straight episodes 562 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: of Finance and. 563 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to close my eyes. That's what's going to happen. 564 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definite, Yeah. 565 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: And no one will be No one's going to have 566 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: a problem with that. And if they do, fucking that's 567 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: little kids to be honest. 568 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, hard, yeah, hard. 569 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: I do. 570 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: I do worry that people have seen me. I worry 571 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 4: that too, But like speak, I was going to say, 572 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 4: I'll choose my words carefully, speak loud, my children in Kmart. 573 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: That's the way. That's the place I said. 574 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 5: He put that back, We've already got one. No, you 575 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 5: can't have one just because I've got one. I don't 576 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: care if that one. You don't have that one exactly. Yeah, No, 577 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 5: one's not said that before. It's like, okay, if you 578 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: want to have a fight with your partner, that's yeah. 579 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 5: You know when you're in the big hole of the 580 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 5: and there that's. 581 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: Where people have arguments with their husbands and wives and partners. 582 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: Let's that's the joy. 583 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: Yes experience when because I mentioned ste I was interested 584 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: to know how I'm a guessing or email shows up? 585 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: What's that like? 586 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 5: Oh? 587 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: Great our for into the kids world. It just wasn't 588 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 4: a long time. We were a long time in so 589 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 4: it felt very validating. But that was probably one of 590 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 4: the first experiences that we've had of someone basically giving 591 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 4: us a brief and going, we want a song about this. 592 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 4: It has to be this long, it has to be 593 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: it has to be this kind of vibe. And then 594 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: they had pretty specific feedback, feedback on lyrics and musicality 595 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So that was you know, there 596 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: was quite a bit of back and forth and which 597 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: was a really good experience to have. And I think 598 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: what we came up with was great, Like in the end, 599 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 4: actually that's good, but I think as well, through that 600 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: process it just it was just really good practice at 601 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 4: the next setting ourselves up for the next couple of albums, 602 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 4: which is what we did, was writing into a brief, 603 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: essentially writing to the themes that people wanted songs written about. Yeah, exactly. 604 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: And people not only love you because they come along 605 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: to your gigs and buy your staff, but the industry 606 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: thinks you guys do a pretty good job. You've even 607 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: got a very pointy metal award that says. 608 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, we went an Aria. 609 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. 610 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: Mine sits on the kitchen bench, like so next to 611 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: the rice cooker cooker we had a lot of rice. 612 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: I like to look at it every time I put 613 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 4: the rice. But every now and then someone will go, huh, 614 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: well when don't you look at that? 615 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 616 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 4: I do videos like just with it just in the background, 617 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 4: like just what's Aria. 618 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: It's not a subtle it's not a subtle object. No, 619 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: there's a reason that you know, shall we A person 620 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: who may or may. 621 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: Not have been in the Cruel Sea was rumored to 622 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: have used one to help demolish the Sebell Townhouse at 623 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: some point. 624 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: At an Aria after party. 625 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wow, a gigantic heavy pointing weaponize they 626 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: really are Did you have a fun night at least? 627 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 4: No, we were in and we were in lockers, lockdown. 628 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: It's twenty twenty. I mean we did, we did have 629 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 4: a fun night. Yeah, but we're in this room. Actually, yeah, 630 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: we were. This is right here is where we won 631 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: the area. 632 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: What does a COVID lockdown Aria after party look like? 633 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 4: Well, we had our elderly parents there and then yeah, 634 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: probably immediately we were probably on our phones for about now. 635 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 4: We were because we had to go into that waiting room, 636 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 4: that zoom waiting room, that press rooms like instant elation, 637 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 4: and then and then it was very quickly yeah that's right, 638 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 4: and so we had to just sit on the computer 639 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 4: for this, you know, this moment where apparently all the 640 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 4: press were going to ask us question Of course, no 641 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 4: one asked us questions, like it was we just there 642 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 4: for no reason at all. And then we kind of 643 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 4: so and everyone that was here, which was literally three 644 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 4: four people sat out there probably getting just for this 645 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 4: moment's past, haven't. 646 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: It and then went to bed and then we all, yeah, good, 647 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: just a moment away because we've got to pay the rent. 648 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for letting me play some matts here. We're 649 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: back after the break. 650 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: The latest song that you put out as of this 651 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: recording involves lyrics that have been provided by people who 652 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: have only known English for a number of you know, years, 653 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: if not months. 654 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: And it's beautiful. 655 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 4: Yes, it's good, isn't it. It's really good, something like magical. 656 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 4: It's like magical, which is the title of the song. Yes. Yes, 657 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 4: We asked kids what it feels like to them when 658 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 4: they're being creative, which is a bit of an absurd question, 659 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 4: and they answered it so well, pretty wild. But then 660 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: like some of these answers were just so like, oh 661 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 4: my god. I never would have come up with that. 662 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 4: I never would have said it like that. But it's 663 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 4: so on point. Yeah, And we're able to just like 664 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: take all these lyrics and put them together. And it's 665 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 4: pretty good, isn't it. Yeah, it's very catchy. 666 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: There's something that songs can do for us. They can help, 667 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: you know, I love music. 668 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: It's an emotional time machine, yes, and it can bring 669 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: you back to that moment It's one of those things 670 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: like our olfactory sensors, the smell of an opening biscuit tint. 671 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: I'm at Grandma's place, like wow, Yeah, brain just have. 672 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: This ability to just light up with associations, particularly around 673 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: particular chord structures or key changes or you know, the 674 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: drum hit in Whitney Houston's will Always Love You. 675 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 3: There it is, you know, as goosebumps. Music can also 676 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 3: be used in a way to. 677 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: Talk to kids about difficult things things, and if it's 678 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: in song, it's sometimes easier. 679 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: You know, there's already cartoons talking about college, and. 680 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: For God's sake, optain Oughts does episodes about the fox, 681 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: the red Fox moving into the Arctic Foxes Burrows. 682 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, yeah, exactly. 683 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: Do you see a role for music in helping a 684 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: young people and parents indeed navigate these kinds of conversations. 685 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 4: Well, that came up a lot when we were asking 686 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 4: for you know, themes, what parents wanted themes about in 687 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: one of our last albums, you know, climate change, and 688 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 4: that sort of came up a lot. So we decided, yeah, 689 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 4: for this album, we're all in, We're doing we're doing 690 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 4: a whole album about sustainability. Well, about about climate change 691 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 4: and what's sort of happening. And it's been the greatest 692 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 4: challenge because we're really really mindful that, you know, I 693 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 4: think I do this if I feel judged, I turn 694 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: off from things. I'm like, I go, you don't know 695 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 4: what I do whatever, you know, Like, I think, it's 696 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 4: just it's it's really difficult to get the right balance. 697 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 4: And I hope we have that's sort of on our 698 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 4: mind with literally every word we say in this and 699 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 4: I hope people listen to it as a whole piece 700 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 4: as well, you know, Like I hope they don't listen 701 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 4: to one song and thing and and go oh but 702 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah, and then like don't listen to 703 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 4: the next one, which is I'm trying to I'm trying 704 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 4: to think, like what like one song is literally probably 705 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 4: we're going to call it climate change or whatever, but 706 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 4: then like the next song is called no one person 707 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 4: can solve all the world problems. 708 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: You know. 709 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 4: So it sort of deals with everything, It deals with 710 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 4: the overwhelm, and it deals with all of it in 711 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 4: a in a family friendly way, I think. And we 712 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 4: really focus a lot on all the positive things that 713 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 4: are coming out of this, and there's a lot of 714 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 4: positive There's a lot of smart people in the world, 715 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 4: so much smarter than we are, doing incredible things, and 716 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 4: so we try to, you know, shine a light on 717 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 4: that as well, so hopefully it's inspiring. I'm listening to 718 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 4: Sarah Wilson. I'm listening to her book right now, this one, 719 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 4: Wild and Precious Life. 720 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: Claire also extraordinary, if you were. I think I find 721 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: Claia Rourke amazing. 722 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 4: Clara Brook okay, great, Yeah, she's. 723 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: Very very good. 724 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: Around that space. Around the look it's overwhelming. Everything has 725 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: to change, which is great because it means there's something 726 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: to do everywhere. And the feeling, the feeling of being 727 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: in action is the alleviation of the anxiety. 728 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so 729 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 4: as Amp and I like, I have definitely had this 730 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 4: feeling during the process of writing these songs, and just 731 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 4: like a little bit of fear of knowing, you know 732 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 4: that we're going to be putting this thing out and 733 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 4: whenever you put something out, it's judged by a whole 734 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 4: group of people, and people will have opinions on the 735 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 4: thing that you make, and then you might have meeting opportunities, 736 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 4: you know, that you find yourself in or interviews that 737 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: you're doing. I also have recognized the fact that this 738 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 4: is the biggest impact that I could have. Yeah, as 739 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 4: an individual us doing something like this, this is going 740 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 4: to be my greatest reach as an individual. So yeah, 741 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 4: why would I shy away where you are like, that's 742 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 4: not good modeling for my kids? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And 743 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 4: it's you know, it's a bit like the parenting thing 744 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 4: as well. It's like we're not perfect parents, so don't 745 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 4: think we're prevent I buy things with too much packaging. 746 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 4: You know, my compost wasn't working for months. I think 747 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 4: it's working now. But you know, it's like, in fact, 748 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 4: I didn't have one last year. It's been a real journey. Like, 749 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 4: but I think you've got to start somewhere. You've got 750 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 4: to do what you can do. 751 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, and there's a lot, there's a lot there. 752 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: And I couldn't be more happy that you are committing 753 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: to do this because you're right. It's so there is 754 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: no more important thing to write about, to talk about, 755 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: and to sing about. 756 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be grim, no, no, And I. 757 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 4: Think as well, like when we talk about the anxiety 758 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 4: we feel around it. Imagine our kids taking on this 759 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 4: level of anxiety we are feeling about this. I don't 760 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 4: want that for my kids, you know, but that will 761 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 4: have it, no doubt, they will have it. I hope 762 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 4: that some of these songs can be used to sort 763 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 4: of just to deal with that, Like, they don't need 764 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 4: to take all of that on, and they can feel 765 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 4: good and positive, and they can take steps, and they 766 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 4: can learn about the little things that they can do. 767 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 4: And no, it's not all on them, and no it's 768 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 4: not their fault, not at all. But they should feel 769 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 4: empowered because this is their world and they can change it. 770 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt. 771 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for making such wonderful music that 772 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: gives parents like me the tools and the language and 773 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: the music and the melody to make a moment otherwise 774 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: less difficult. 775 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. 776 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 4: Oh thanks Mesha. It's so lovely to chat with you. Yeah, 777 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 4: really nice, very fun. 778 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: That was Bill and Beth teeny tiny steviees. The live 779 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: shows will be so much fun. And even though Wolf 780 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: is nearly making it all through the night, more often 781 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: than not he's just on the cusper, but he and 782 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: I still sing the toilet song. It's fantastic. It's really useful. Yeah, 783 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: he's nearly there. He's getting there. We still have flood pants, 784 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: but we're getting there. Teeny tiny Stevie's are touring around 785 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: the country, right around the country. They're not a big one, 786 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: starting in July all the way through to October. The 787 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: links for the tour is in the show notes. It'll 788 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. As I said earlier, the 789 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: early gigs, you know, ten thirty, eleven o'clock in the morning, 790 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. 791 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 3: So wake up, breakfast, go to the. 792 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 2: Show, boom, nap in the car on the way home. Magical. 793 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing. 794 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being a part of the show. 795 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: If you liked it, please tell a mate. If you 796 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: really liked it, please share it with a friend. 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