1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: It's Monday, October seventh. Commemorations Today mark the one year 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: anniversary of a terrorist attack on Israel that launched a 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: new phase of conflict and set the Middle East on 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: the brink of wider war. Anthony Alberanese's government has shifted 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: its language on Israel's right to defend itself, condemning anti 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: Semitism and declaring Israel has a right to defend itself 8 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: by responding to missile attacks on its soil. Today a 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: special episode of the Front with our correspondent on the 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: ground in Israel, Jonni Vashanh. Sixteen years ago, a little 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: boy named Tull Grushka appeared on Israel's Channel twelve TV station, 12 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: talking proudly about his upcoming performance in a major piano competition. 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: Much long hato. 14 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: By twenty eighteen, that little boy was twenty years old, 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: A tall, muscular young soldier still in love with the piano. 16 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: He posted a video on YouTube, where he had fourteen subscribers, 17 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: of himself playing Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata Part three. In the video, 18 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: teal Grushka is wearing ripped denim shorts and a T shirt. 19 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Sitting at an upright piano. He's concentrating hard, playing on 20 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: through a few tiny mistakes. He's not looking at any 21 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: sheet music. He's learned this piece by heart and a 22 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: year ago today, Talgrushka was a twenty five year old 23 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: major with the Israeli Army's Nahull Brigade nine hundred and 24 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: thirty first Battalion, based in the West Bank, just south 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: of Bethlehem. Early in the morning, they were called to 26 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: respond to a major terrorist attack unfolding to the south, 27 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Hamas fighters flooding over the border from Gaza into rural 28 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: villages including Kafar Azar. Grushka and his men were racing 29 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: to kafa Azar to defend the civilians from what would 30 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: be one of the day's worst massacres, but Grushka never 31 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: made it. Their convoy was ambushed by Hamas fighters a 32 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: few hundred meters from Kafar Azar, and when Grushka opened 33 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: the door of his armored vehicle, he was shot dead. 34 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: Stunning developments in Israel, as Palestinian militants fired thousands of rockets. 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: The mass today launched a major surprise attack on Israel 36 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: bi Airs reporter cowded an idea of Commander who mentioned 37 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 2: the discovery of approximately forty BB's who had been subjected 38 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: to horrifying violence, some beheaded. There is the mazazazas in 39 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: the bedrooms in theos and how the toy excuse them. 40 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: It's not at all, It's not a butterfit. 41 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: And on October ten, as Israel reeled from the twelve 42 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: hundred deaths and hundreds of hostages taken in the attacks, 43 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: Talgushka was buried. 44 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: It's a military cemetery in an area called Kas Sabah, 45 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: and it was quite late at night and packed with people. 46 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: This was three days after October seven, at a time 47 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: when Israel was overrun with burials. 48 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: Johnny Bishan is the Australian's journalist and he'd scrambled to 49 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: get to Israel. Just hours after landing in Tel Aviv, 50 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Johnny found himself among the mourners at Talgrushka's funeral. 51 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: There was actually four soldiers buried that evening. 52 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: Tal was the first and his funeral was held at 53 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: approximately ten pm inside that cemetery because similar services were 54 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: is taking place all over the country and at all hours, 55 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: so I just got off the plane, I'd just put 56 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: my bags and I had never attended a military funeral 57 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: in Israel before, but I found myself standing at this 58 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: event with Tult's family, who I knew through my own family, 59 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: but I'd actually never met. 60 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: Them before, and so there was an extra layer of poignancy. 61 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Johnny has been back and forth to Israel over the 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: past year, and today in The Australian we're publishing his 63 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: interview with tel Grushka's family. 64 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: The impression I got listening to Tull's family was that 65 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: he was a lovely guy, still very much of the 66 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: ten year old kid who loved the piano and he 67 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: was actually a piano prodigy at a young age, but 68 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: that he'd grown into this strong, fearless soldier who just 69 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: believed in the mission of being a soldier. What was 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 3: clear to me was that he wasn't in the army 71 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: and pursuing a career in the army for the sake 72 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: of carrying a gun and wearing a uniform, which in 73 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: this country there is a lot of cachet that comes 74 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 3: with that, but fetal doing these things was a a 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: matter of security. 76 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: And safety for the Jewish people. 77 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: And I know this not just because his family told me, 78 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: but because I've read some of his writings and some 79 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: of his poetry which he posted online and which his 80 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: family had given to me. But one of the other 81 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: legacies of Tal as a commander was that he was 82 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: very insistent with his troops that every Friday, just before 83 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: the Shabbat weekend, they take out their mobile phones. 84 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: And call their grandparents. 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: And this is partly because he had his own very 86 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: strong connection with his own grandparents. And possibly the saddest 87 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: side I could have seen at his funeral was his 88 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: grandfather standing there at the microphone and saying goodbye to 89 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: him too. The legacy out of this is that this 90 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: initiative of tilS has become something of a movement in Israel, 91 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: not just on social media, but fridge Magnet's been printed, 92 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: and there's a partnership with one of the telephone companies, 93 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: and a university here has been. 94 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: Promoting what Tal was doing with his soldiers. 95 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: So there's this message that's going out there every Friday, 96 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: you know, call your grandmother. Even among the people I've 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: encountered on this reporting trip to Israel, I hear about 98 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: young people making more of an effort to call their 99 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: elderly relatives, so it's undoubtedly having some sort of. 100 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Impact in Israel. As in many societies where military service 101 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: is a part of life, there's a thread in popular 102 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: culture of the thoughtful warrior poet. Your dreams of better times, yo, 103 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: but I'm a soldier, and don't you cry for me? Girl, 104 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: goes the chorus of this nineteen seventy nine hit by 105 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: one of Israel's biggest stars, Shlomo Aatzi. Israel has been, 106 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: by choice and by circumstance a warrior state since it 107 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: was founded in nineteen forty eight, after centuries of persecution 108 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: and after six million Jews were murdered in Adolf Hitler's 109 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: Hole cost the United Nations split a tiny sliver on 110 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: the eastern shore of the Mediterranean roughly in half and 111 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: called one slice Palestine and the other slice Israel, an 112 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: acknowledgment that Jews and Muslims both regard this as their 113 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: holy land. The idea was to give Jews somewhere safe 114 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: to live forevermore, but the fighting has gone on ever since. 115 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: October seven, twenty twenty three, was just the latest iteration 116 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: har mass fighters swarming into Israel from Gaza and Israel 117 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: pounding Gaza with a stated aim of returning the hostages, 118 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: eliminating her Mass and destroying the tunnels under the strip. 119 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Her Mass, which began as an elected government but which 120 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: morphed into a totalitarian regime, hasn't allowed Gazans a free 121 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: vote since two thousand and six. It brought on this 122 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: conflict with an intention of galvanizing the world against Israel, 123 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: and paying the price have been Gaza's Sevilians, with Hamas 124 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: claiming forty thousand have died in this year of bloodshed, 125 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: and in Israel, a sense of complacency and tranquility, particularly 126 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: for the post Holocaust generations, have been completely shattered. Israel 127 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: has quite a remarkable missile defense system called the Iron Dome, 128 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: which has protected it in a lot of instances from 129 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: rocket fire coming in from over its borders. But October 130 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: seven really shattered their sense of safety and their sense 131 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: of faith in the Israeli state to protect them, didn't it. 132 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And one of the drawbacks of having an Irondome 133 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: system is that in Israel's case, it didn't have as 134 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: much of an urgency to take care of the rockets 135 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: being fired from Hamas in Gaza. For many, many years, 136 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: because it had the safety of the Irondome system. 137 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: So as long as it was working. 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: And as long as missiles weren't landing in Israeli population centers, 139 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: there's no great need from the Israeli army to mount 140 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: any kind of incursion into Gaza or what Israeli sometimes 141 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: call a grass cutting mission, where you go in and 142 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: mow the lawn to get rid of the problem and 143 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: wait until it grows back. But because of that circumstance, 144 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: you've got a situation on October seven where hundreds, even 145 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: thousands of Hamas fighters and even ordinary Gazans have stormed 146 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: across the border infiltrated Israel. And what happened was Israel's 147 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: military was left flat footed by what happened. It was 148 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: caught off guard. So I guess we're left in a 149 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: situation where even now one year on, there's approximately one 150 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: hundred and one Israeli hostages still being held in Gaza. 151 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: And so the compact between the state and the people, 152 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: in which a person gives three years of their life 153 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: to military conscription and in return they're assured of that 154 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: safety and security, the image of that, or the symbolism 155 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: of that, seems to have been fractured in part because 156 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: Israelis are looking at Gaza and seeing their countrymen still 157 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: holding captivity, and while the army is doing whatever it 158 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 3: can to try and get them out, they are being hamstrung. 159 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: They haven't been. 160 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: Returned, and so that has had a devastating impact on 161 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: faith in the army and faith in the security establishment. 162 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 3: Although it's not totally broken, there are certainly some people 163 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: who are asking themselves what it's all for at. 164 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: This point, coming up after the break, how Tull Grushka's generation, 165 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: both in Israel and in countries like Australia, is responding 166 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: to this conflict in real time. The Australian subscribers have 167 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: been reading the best analysis of this huge story ever 168 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: since October seventh last year. Join us at the Australian 169 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: dot Com dou and we'll be back after the break. 170 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: It's young people who are having to fight this war 171 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: on Israel's behalf, and yet they are people who for 172 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: whom the Holocaust and the pogroms of history are just 173 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: that the history lessons. So how does this generation who's 174 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: grown up under the Iron Dome, grown up with a 175 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: sense of Israel being a safe place square this conflict 176 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: that they now find themselves in this existential fight. 177 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: This is a situation that Jews the world over may 178 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: not have had to contend with because they grew up 179 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: in a post Holocaust generation where Israel's. 180 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: Existence was always secured. 181 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 3: In Israel, however, there have been ongoing wars and ongoing skirmishes. 182 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: And when you're a young person growing up here, you 183 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 3: see your friends being drafted, You see your older siblings 184 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: enlisting in the army and being sent at times into 185 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: volatile and hostile parts of the region. And this war, 186 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: or these wars, first in Gaza and now in Lebanon, 187 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: don't appear to be all that different. And what I'm 188 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: certainly seeing from the young people is that no one 189 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: is reflecting on the events of October seven and asking 190 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: themselves what this is all for. Actually, they're heading in 191 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 3: quite the opposite direction. They've been galvanized by what's occurred 192 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: on October seven. They see the impending threat of doom 193 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: that's bearing down upon them, especially now from the world's 194 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: largest non state military actor in Hesbolah, and they're very 195 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: much energized to defeat this threat and do the work 196 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: that's required of them. 197 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: You Andi We've seen big protests on the streets of 198 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: Sydney and Melbourne on Sunday. There are increasing reports over 199 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: the year of antisemitism and of Jewish people who once 200 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: might have had mixed feelings about Israel, or who might 201 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: have deplored Israel's military actions against its neighbors, but who 202 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: now have different feelings. They've got a different sense of 203 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: why Israel exists and what it means for the Jewish 204 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: diasper all over the world. And then we've got Tael 205 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: Grushka's generation here in places like Australia, who are in 206 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: large part extremely concerned about Israel's actions in Gaza, and 207 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: many of whom believe that Israel has gone too far. 208 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: How is that perceived in Israel? The sense that in 209 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: the West Israel is being judged very harshly. 210 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: I think within Israel there's a great deal of confusion 211 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 3: about how it's being perceived in Western capitals and elsewhere, 212 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: because in Israel they see what they're doing in Gaza 213 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: as removing the threat of terrorism. I mean, for the 214 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: people here, it's very simple. There's a famous video of 215 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: a young hostage named Nama Lev who's being driven in 216 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: a youth to Gaza. Her pants have been soiled, she's 217 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: been grabbed by the hair by a Hamas terrorist. Her 218 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: achilles heel appears to have been cut so she can't 219 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 3: run away. You've got an image of this beautiful young 220 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: woman being dragged into Gaza, and you've got an Islamic 221 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: she had us dragging her by the hair to go 222 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 3: along with him. I mean, this is a very simple 223 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: fight for the people of Israel. I mean they're asking 224 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: people in the western capitals who side are you on? 225 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: Are you with the girl or are you with the 226 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: guy dragging her by the hair? That is the very 227 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: simple equation here. It's a fight against Islamic she Hadism. 228 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: It's a fight against terrorism, whether it's happening in Gaza, 229 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: or whether it's happening in southern Lebanon with Jsblah, or 230 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: whether it's coming via a long range threat from Iran, 231 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: or from the Huthi rebels in Yemen, or from the 232 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: other fronts in Iraq and Syria. 233 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: So that's the confusion here. 234 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: Israelis feel like they're doing the work of the West 235 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: combat a threat that they would face two And it's 236 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: for that reason that they can't really understand why there 237 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: are very high numbers of protesters gathering in Sydney, in 238 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: Melbourne and elsewhere, demanding that Israel call on an immediate 239 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: cease fire, stop the war, stop the fight and allow 240 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: this problem in the Middle East to proliferate. 241 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: Yonni Bishan is in Israel for The Australian. He'll be 242 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: reporting live from the ground with our journalist Lea Mendez 243 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: on commemorations and the very real thread of ground war 244 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: on the border with Lebanon. Join us at the Australian 245 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: dot com dot au