1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: It's Thursday March thirteen, twenty twenty five. Unjustified and a 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: bad decision, but Australia won't be retaliating against Donald Trump's 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: twenty five percent tariffs on Australians steel and aluminium. The 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Albanese government is devastated at Trump's refusal to exempt Australia 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: as it did during his first administration, now fears arising 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: this will poison other aspects of the US Australian relationship. 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi says he'll seek another phone call with the 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: President to plead Australia's case. A huge NBN upgrade that 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: cost seven hundred and fifty million dollars was a giant flop, 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: new figures show, with only an extra one hundred customers 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: signing up. The government owned telco rolled out five G 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: enabled wireless broadband, and it was supposed to lure customers 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: from competitors like Elon Musk's Starlink. That's an exclusive by 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: our tech editor Jared Lynch live now at the Australian 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: dot com AU Police say a string of antisemitic attacks 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: were part of a criminal hoax, not a reflection of 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: anti Jewish sentiment, but far from reassuring Jewish Australians, it's 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: left a community with more questions than answers today. What's 20 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: in it for criminals to spread fear among Jews? And 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: how do we interpret those terrifying acts of violence? 22 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: Now we are now confident that these tip offs were 23 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: fabricated and the caravan plot was an elaborate scheme contrived 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: by organized criminals domestically and from offshore. 25 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: On Monday, the Australian Federal Police and New South Wales 26 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: Police offered their theory on why a caravan packed with 27 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: explosives was left in a suburban Sydney street in January. 28 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: Today, I can reveal that the caravan was never going 29 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: to cause a mass casualty event, but instead was concocted 30 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: by criminals who wanted to cause fear for personal benefit. 31 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Well, that's good, right, alleged offenders are before the courts, 32 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: case closed. Except for Australia's Jewish community, it's very much not. 33 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: None of the individuals we have arrested during Pearl have 34 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: displayed any form of anti Semitic ideology. 35 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: This is Dave Hudson from New South Wales Police. 36 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: We don't believe there is any ongoing threat to the 37 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: community from a terrorist act. However, outside of Pearl we 38 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: are continuing to see anti Semitic incidents and each of 39 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: those will be fully investigated. 40 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: Chrissy Barrett from the Australian Federal Police. 41 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: Almost immediately, experienced investigators within the JOW counter Terrorism Team 42 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: believed that the caravan was part of a fabricated terrorist plot, 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: essentially a criminal con job. 44 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is The Australian's New South Wales editor, Ricey, 45 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: how has that announcement gone over in the Jewish community 46 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: and beyond Well. 47 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 4: It's gone down like a lead balloon, and so it should. 48 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: I mean, it was a really surprising statement for both 49 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 4: the AFP and the New South Wales Police to come 50 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: out with effectively declaring that there was no anti Semitism 51 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: behind this, no actual anti semitism, and that it was 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: all some kind of air hoax. But the reality is 53 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: that they haven't caught mister Big yet. They've charged, most 54 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 4: recently fourteen people, none of them in relation to the 55 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: caravan itself. Surprisingly and yet despite the fact that they 56 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 4: haven't got mister Big they seemed to be able to 57 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: declare that there is no anti Semitism as a otive 58 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: behind this, and I'm not sure that I get that, 59 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: and certainly the Jewish leaders that I've spoken to don't 60 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: get it either. It has created, i think, in the 61 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: wider community, a sentiment that it was all nothing really, 62 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: that it was just a bunch of low lifes who 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: were paid to do this, and so it actually doesn't 64 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 4: represent any kind of significant anti Semitism in the community, 65 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 4: and I think that's wrong, and I think the messaging 66 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: from both the New South Wales police and the FEDS 67 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 4: should have been a lot clearer on this. 68 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So just step me through this like a Ma Toddler. 69 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: One of the things that police need is intelligence about 70 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: what's going on in the criminal community. This is how 71 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: they progress from learning about one crime to potentially uncovering 72 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: a whole lot of other crimes or plots that are 73 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: still underway. So let's say mister Big had committed some 74 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: drug offenses and is either in jail or is overseas 75 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: trying to avoid being brought back to Australia to face charges. 76 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: In the ordinary course of events, a high level criminal 77 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: knows things, so he's trying to sell that information essentially 78 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: to the police, or in this case, trick the police. 79 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: Is that right? 80 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? The age old example of this is the krim 81 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 4: who says, I know where there's a bunch of rocket launchers, 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: and if we can do a deal and you can 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 4: talk to people and maybe I get three or four 84 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: years off my sentence, I can tell you where these 85 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: rocket launchers are. In that case, they've gone down this 86 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: road before, and the rocket launchers turn out to be 87 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 4: fifty years old or more. Usually just nonexistent. But there 88 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 4: are cases where police and prosecuting authorities will maybe do 89 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 4: deals is perhaps putting it too strongly, but will take 90 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: into account information that is given by criminals. What I 91 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: fail to see in this case, Yes, the caravan, you 92 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 4: can see that. It's a nice package to deliver to 93 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 4: the police. You've got a caravan, it's got explosives, it's 94 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 4: dressed up with antisemitic literature. It's perfect. You know, you 95 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 4: can virtually tie a bow around it and give it 96 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 4: to the cops. As at present. That's fine, But what 97 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: about the fourteen people who've most recently been charged. They 98 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: are all just low lifes who've been paid to go 99 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: around burning some cars, scribbling racist graffiti on walls. What 100 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: I don't understand is what advantage is that to mister Big. 101 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 4: What leverage does he get out of having all these scumbags? 102 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 4: I don't get it. 103 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if the alleged scumbags just lead you back 104 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: to mister Bigg exactly. 105 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like mister Big is going here, you know, 106 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: go and investigate all these people that I've hired to 107 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 4: do this stuff. It doesn't make sense. There is so 108 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: much about this case still that doesn't make sense, and 109 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: the mixed messaging that's coming from both the New South 110 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 4: Wales cops and the federal cops is not helping one bit. 111 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: They cannot get their act together. They can't even agree 112 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: on whether it's an overseas based actor or a local It's. 113 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Important to note here many of these individuals are making 114 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: their way through the courts. Many of these claims are 115 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: just allegations at this stage, and everyone has a right 116 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: to a fair trial. Since October seven, twenty twenty three, 117 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: when har mass fighters slaughtered and greaped civilians in Israel 118 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: and took hundreds of hostages, the Jewish community around the world, 119 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: including here in Australia has been on high alert for 120 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: a rise in anti Semitic sentiment. Here at The Australian, 121 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: we've spent the past seventeen months covering how anti Israel 122 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: and pro Palestine groups have expressed themselves in marches, university 123 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: encampments and on social media. But in the past six 124 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: months or so the words seemed to become actions. 125 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: It's a problem that appears to be growing faster than 126 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: the police operation trying to stop it. 127 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: Beginning Melbourne, where a synagogue has been destroyed in a 128 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: targeted attack. 129 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: At about ten past four this morning, offenders entered the 130 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: property and set the synagogue ablaze. Police start tonight asking 131 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: for your help. 132 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: After a cafe in Bondai went up in flames early 133 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: this morning. 134 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: Than on on Sea Lane at Kingsford, words too hateful 135 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: to say sprayed across cars and garage doors in Sydney. 136 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: Families awoke to the word Jew scrawled on their homes 137 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: or cars and the smell of smoke. Many of those 138 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: Sydney Jewish families are descendants of Holocaust survivors. For them, 139 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: the fear of where antisemitism can go suddenly became very real. 140 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: And when you understand that history. You know, the word 141 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: jew being spray painted on a wall is not just 142 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: a simple act of graffiti. That's exactly what was happening 143 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: in Germany and Austria in the nineteen thirties when Adolf 144 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: Hitler's rise was accompanied by terrifying attacks on Jewish homes 145 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: and businesses. The revelation in February that a caravan packed 146 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: with explosives and addresses of Jewish businesses had been discovered, 147 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: it just sent those levels of fear into the stratosphere. 148 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: We believe the person pulling the strings ont changes to 149 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: their criminal status, that maintained a distance from their scheme 150 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: and hired alleged local criminals to carry out parts of 151 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 2: their plan. This twisted, self serving criminality has terrorized Jewish Australians. 152 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: There was also unwarranted suspicion directed at other communities, and 153 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: that is also reprehensible. 154 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 4: I didn't think we should forget that since that October 155 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: seven attack. In twenty twenty three, the Master attack, something 156 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: like seven hundred anti Semitic attacks in Australia and the 157 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: later Strikeforce PEERL. I think they've arrested twenty nine people. 158 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 4: There is just no question there is a huge amount 159 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: of actual anti Semitic violence going on. And I'm not 160 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 4: talking about pro Palestinian marches or people being anti Israel. 161 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: I'm talking about actual anti Semitic jew hating stuff, you know, 162 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 4: that is increasingly degenerating into violence. And I'm even excluding, 163 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: if you will, these latest paid attempts, And I'm saying, 164 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: exclude it, even though we don't know the motivation of 165 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: the person directing it. Even if you exclude those, you know, 166 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: the extent of the violence against Jews in this country 167 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: is quite extraordinary still. 168 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: After the break. So when is a racist attack not 169 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: a racist attack. One of the things that I've been 170 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: intrigued about from the beginning is why the word Jew 171 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: being graffited on walls has been such a constant throughout 172 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, if you know anything about history, you know 173 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: that that was the precursor to the Holocaust. That the 174 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: public shaming of Jews and the revelation of people's Jewish identity, 175 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: the outing of Jews that led in a direct line 176 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: to the Holocaust. I'm not saying that there's another Holocaust 177 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: in the offing, but that's why it was so chilling 178 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: for Jews in Sydney, so if we think perhaps some 179 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: or all of these anti Semitic attacks were committed or 180 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: inspired by other motives, you know, just sort of pure 181 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: criminality or something self serving motive, it seems awfully coincidental 182 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,359 Speaker 1: that the manifestation of that is this unbelievably terrifying graffiti 183 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: of the word. 184 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I just don't buy that these criminal acts, 185 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: which clearly have anti Semitism all over them, I don't 186 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: buy that there was no antisemitic motivation behind it at all. 187 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: And until we find the person behind it, until the 188 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: police actually bring in this criminal mastermind that they're talking about, 189 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: I don't think we can rule out what was going 190 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: through his mind and why he decided to create all 191 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 4: these incidents of pure anti Jewish terror for what reason 192 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: his own personal motives or is there a motivation? There 193 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: is their due hatred behind these actions? 194 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 195 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean if I threw a brick through the window 196 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: of a black owned business, for example, and the brick 197 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: had the N word scrawled on it, and my motivation 198 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: for that was not actually creating a racist terror, but 199 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: was some other motive of my own, does it actually matter? 200 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: No? 201 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: And if somebody paid you to throw that brick through 202 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: that window. It's a racist attack. 203 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: One of the probably unintended consequences of the very emphatic 204 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: way in which both New South Wales Police and the 205 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: Federal Police have talked about this is that presumably it 206 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: gives sucker or ballast to those people who say they 207 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: are not anti Semitic, but they are anti Israel, or 208 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: that they reserve the right to be extremely critical of Israel. 209 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: And that's something that we've heard from the pro Palestinian 210 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: group from the beginning. You know, we can criticize Israel, 211 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with the Jews. How does 212 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: that play out, do you think? 213 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: Well, you saw a bit of that play out in 214 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: the New South Wales Parliament and budget estimates, where you 215 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: had the Greens Sue Higginson basically accusing the Men's government 216 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: of using these non existent anti Semitic attacks as a 217 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: reason for them introducing what they claim is unnecessary and 218 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 4: outlandish legislation that was designed to protect Jewish communities. So 219 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: you've already got people jumping on the assumption that there 220 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: is no anti Semitism actually behind these attacks, and I 221 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: think we're going to see more of it. 222 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is the Australian's New South Wales edit up. 223 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: You can follow that complex and detailed story live at 224 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: the Australian dot com dot a yu