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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Britney Saunders and welcome to Big Business, the

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Speaker 1: place where business is far from boring.

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Speaker 2: And today I'm recording on gaddigul Land.

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Speaker 1: Now I somehow manage to build an empire from the

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Speaker 1: garage underneath my house, and I'm here to share it

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Speaker 1: all with you, from the wins, the mistakes, the challenging

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Speaker 1: times and the funny moments in between. So, whether you're

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Speaker 1: in business already, perhaps you're not in the game at all,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're just looking for some inspo, or you simply

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Speaker 1: just want to hear the tea, this is the podcast

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Speaker 1: for you. Coming up on today's episode, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Tammy otherwise known as Career Coach Tammy on TikTok and

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Speaker 1: her videos made their way onto my for you page

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Speaker 1: and I am obsessed with them. Tammy is a recruiter

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Speaker 1: and career consultant and if you've seen her on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: I just love that she is a straight shooter. She's blunt,

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Speaker 1: she's straight to the point, and she's going to tell

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Speaker 1: you how to get your dream job. And at the

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Speaker 1: same time she sees everything from a business standpoint as well,

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Speaker 1: so business owners and employees. This is an episode for you, Tammy,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Big Business.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 2: I love your tiktoks.

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Speaker 1: You are so straightforward in the best possible way. Do

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Speaker 1: you ever get people like I feel like some of

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Speaker 1: your videos have really popped off on TikTok And do

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Speaker 1: you ruffle some feathers with the things that you say?

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I kind of do that on purpose. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I know it's going to get me attention, but it's

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Speaker 4: the truth as well.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I love when I see someone and

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Speaker 1: they're just a straight shooter and you just say it

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Speaker 1: how it is and what you say is what you say.

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Speaker 1: And I just love in your videos how you're just

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Speaker 1: like so authentic about this is my opinion, and this

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Speaker 1: is what I think. Yep, in a nutshell. For people

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Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with you or they haven't seen your videos,

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Speaker 1: what is it that you do?

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Speaker 4: So, I'm a recruitment consultant by trade, so that's working

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Speaker 4: in agency recruitment kind of like marketing when you've got

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Speaker 4: agency and internal. I've got both of those experiences and

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Speaker 4: so at the moment, I do do recruitment but I

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Speaker 4: also do career consulting as well, so I help candidates

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Speaker 4: applicants in the job market, and with my background, I

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Speaker 4: give them all the tools to help them apply correctly.

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Speaker 1: And that's what your whole TikTok is about, which I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love. And I've done a couple of little videos

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Speaker 1: myself about, you know, hiring and recruiting, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to get to a little later. But you hate cover

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Speaker 1: letters and I love a cover letter, so I want

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Speaker 1: to debate with you on that of course, of course,

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Speaker 1: so we will absolutely get to that. But I just

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Speaker 1: the point because I feel like that's the way that

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Speaker 1: we need to be in the world when it comes

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Speaker 1: way that you deliver your message is just so straight

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Speaker 4: We do, especially in business, because you've got no time, right,

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Speaker 4: and I think people need to understand that is just business.

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Speaker 3: It's not personal.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is yours speaking my language. I thought we

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Speaker 1: could talk about so much. Yeah, because I think I

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Speaker 1: became a business owner eight years ago, I worked in

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Speaker 1: over twenty jobs from the age of fourteen to twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Over time, I had the worst resume in the world.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't matter exactly, good though, Yeah, look look at where

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Speaker 4: if Britney can do it, if I can do it,

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Speaker 4: I'm just a recruitment consultant.

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Speaker 3: I've got no degree. I've dropped on so many jobs.

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Speaker 3: I'm just around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just a random If we can do it, anybody

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Speaker 1: And I think that was a thing when I was younger,

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Speaker 3: That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: I don't have all my jobs on my LinkedIn. No,

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Speaker 4: that's the trade of a business owner because you're taking risks.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yes, it looks bad from an employee point.

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Speaker 4: Of view, so if you're going for another job, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: owner point of view, it shows that you take risks.

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Speaker 4: You've got different experiences, you've learnt from all of those places,

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Speaker 4: and all of those little jobs have made you six

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Speaker 4: learned the good things, you've learned the bad things, you've

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Speaker 4: seen the bad things. I know, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, when I was working all the jobs that I

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Speaker 4: And that's good, and that's absolutely that's brilliant because you're

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Speaker 4: and if it's not, if it's not giving you you're

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Speaker 1: What I have noticed in my life, I guess, is

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Speaker 1: it for them. Yes, what is with that? And based

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Speaker 4: That's just corporate That's just the corporate culture. I think

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Speaker 4: And it's not. It's absolutely not. And people that don't

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Speaker 4: success or successful life, right But it comes from university.

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Speaker 4: I've been to UNI. I dropped out of UNI. Let

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Speaker 4: me be honest or I haven't said this before. I've

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Speaker 4: failed university. Did you a family accounting? I can't count.

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Speaker 4: Like balance sheets and balancing things, you know, And at

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Speaker 4: I have not expressed this at all to anybody except

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Speaker 4: for my parents. Right, I've failed university because I couldn't

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Speaker 4: didn't need to know that. Then doesn't make me unsuccessful,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't make me not good enough. But I think

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Speaker 4: that's amazing. But it's turned into this thing where you

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Speaker 4: don't need to go to UNI for business.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that to my kids, right, But it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: If you've got if you want, you've got the willingness

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Speaker 4: something that you're not good at stop you with what

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people in that instance

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Speaker 1: That's right, And that's exactly so disheartening to be like

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Speaker 1: you failed this in UNI.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I have my own thoughts about UNI, like I've never been,

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Speaker 1: so I can't speak from experience, I think, And again,

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Speaker 1: I know I keep going back to myself here, but

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Speaker 1: I even remember like being in year nine and ten

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Speaker 1: and we'd have the careers advisor, Yeah, and they'd be like, say,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to do for the rest of

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm fucking fifteen, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I want to do tomorrow, let

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Speaker 1: no interest in going to UNI and never went. I

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Speaker 1: do think like UNI obviously has its place for people

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Speaker 1: and we need them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need them. You actually have to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but especially now, you know, as the world is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about people looking for jobs. What

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Speaker 4: And so what you're doing is you're initiating a phone

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pick just pick up the phone. What are they

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Speaker 4: And most of the time, given that they're professional, I say, Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: If you haven't done that again, call them because you've

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Speaker 3: You're looking for a job, you are desperate, doesn't matter.

439
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Speaker 1: We all are.

440
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Speaker 2: In wanting a job.

441
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Speaker 4: There's no shame in wanting a job. And again I

442
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 4: don't know where this comes from. This I don't want

443
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Speaker 4: to look desperate. Well, you need a job. We're all

444
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 4: desperate for a job. We're all desperate for money, we'll

445
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,639
Speaker 4: want to do well. Most of us want to do

446
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 4: better in life. So you are there's no shame, Absolutely

447
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 4: no shame, and I want people to get rid of that.

448
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,919
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter because it shows that you're assertive and

449
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 4: it shows that you.

450
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Speaker 3: Really want it.

451
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Speaker 1: Yes, I saw a video I think you just did,

452
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 1: like yesterday or recently, about saying like, one thing that

453
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 1: people need to do more in interviews is be excited.

454
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Speaker 3: Yes, And I loved.

455
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Speaker 1: That because you know, interviews are daunting and a lot

456
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Speaker 1: of the time they can feel very corporate and very serious,

457
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Speaker 1: and like, you know, the room can feel still, and

458
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 1: you know it's not exciting. But I think if someone

459
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: can just show that excitement enthusiasm, like, it adds like

460
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Speaker 1: a human element to the interview.

461
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Speaker 2: Process as well.

462
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Speaker 1: It does, so it's not just like being asked a

463
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Speaker 1: question and answering it.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, adds some emotion to it.

465
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Speaker 3: It does.

466
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Speaker 4: And I also say to people if you if you're

467
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Speaker 4: nervous and the interview asks, you know, they'll do the

468
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Speaker 4: warm up questions, how.

469
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Speaker 2: Are you going, how's your morning bee?

470
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Speaker 3: How's your morning bee?

471
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Speaker 4: And you can say, actually, I'm a little bit nervous

472
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Speaker 4: and all it does is once you verbalize it, it

473
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Speaker 4: just kind of flies away, yes, and then off you go.

474
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Speaker 4: I've said it, and I've gotten jobs doing that, And

475
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Speaker 4: I think, like it's normal to.

476
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Speaker 1: Be nervous from my perspective as well, Like we obviously

477
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Speaker 1: know when people come in for an interview that they

478
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Speaker 1: are nervous, So there's nothing wrong with like saying that

479
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Speaker 1: out loud yep, just to be like, I'm feeling a

480
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Speaker 1: little bit nervous, but like I'm excited at the same time,

481
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Speaker 1: and you know, most of the time people doing the

482
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Speaker 1: interview you're going to be nice people famly, you know, right.

483
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Speaker 1: And if someone was to say that to me, like

484
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling really nervous, sorry, Like if I'm a bit yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: sweat whatever, I'd be like, don't stress, Like do you

486
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 1: need a water?

487
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: Like, you know, you're only going to get a human

488
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Speaker 2: response back.

489
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

490
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Speaker 5: Just on that what you were saying for like, the

491
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Speaker 5: job market right now is crazy and it's really hard

492
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Speaker 5: for people to find work. It's equally as hard for

493
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Speaker 5: people to even get an interview sometimes. I'm someone who

494
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,239
Speaker 5: has been in that position obviously now when we're at over,

495
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 5: but there was a six month period where I could

496
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Speaker 5: not find work, And I love that you said that,

497
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Speaker 5: you know, show that you're excited going to an interview.

498
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Speaker 5: But when you're in a situation where you are desperate

499
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Speaker 5: and you are literally clawing for something, what advice can

500
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Speaker 5: you give people who are in those positions who it's

501
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 5: going to be hard for people to be excited because

502
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Speaker 5: you are so nervous and you were you know, you're like,

503
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Speaker 5: oh my god, how am I going to pay rent

504
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Speaker 5: next month? What advice do you have for people who

505
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 5: are in that situation who need to show up and

506
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Speaker 5: who need to you know, show their best selves.

507
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Speaker 4: Go and do temp work. Okay, so temp work is

508
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: you get it through recruitment agencies. This is one way

509
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 4: go do temp work. So that's either doing admin work,

510
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Speaker 4: customer service work, working.

511
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Speaker 3: In a warehouse.

512
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Speaker 4: Right, it's just casual. You have most of the time

513
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Speaker 4: it's full time hours do temp work. So that way

514
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Speaker 4: you've got your money coming in. And there's also flexibility

515
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Speaker 4: with it too because it is casual. They do know

516
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 4: that you are applying to full time jobs. So while

517
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Speaker 4: you're just doing that, you can also just put it

518
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Speaker 4: on your resume because it's a gap filler. You can

519
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 4: just say, while I was looking for work, I went

520
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Speaker 4: and you know, did temp work. Right, That's what I'd suggest,

521
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 4: because this is where people get worried. It's the money

522
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Speaker 4: that's not coming in, and then they lose their confidence.

523
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 4: They get desperate when they're going for jobs. Interviewers, you

524
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 4: can feel that desperation over the phone, you can feel

525
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 4: it in the interview, and you don't want to look

526
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: too desperate as well, because what happens is if you're

527
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Speaker 4: desperate for my job, you're desperate for other people's jobs.

528
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Speaker 4: So if I offer you something, you might go for

529
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Speaker 4: the next best thing because you're so desperate for anything

530
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Speaker 4: that's coming your way. So you also want to become

531
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Speaker 4: you want to come across as confident. Do temp work.

532
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Speaker 4: Another thing that I suggest people do as well, and

533
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Speaker 4: I've actually tried this with one of my cousins, is

534
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Speaker 4: Amazon Flex.

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Speaker 1: Right.

536
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Speaker 4: Amazon Flex is it's kind of like Uber, but what

537
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Speaker 4: they do is you they outsource their.

538
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Speaker 3: Their logistics work. I guess right.

539
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Speaker 4: You know you order something from Amazon, it turns up

540
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Speaker 4: the next day. They're done by casual Amazon Flex people.

541
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Speaker 4: So if you've got a four door car, look it up.

542
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Speaker 4: On the website. If you've got a four door car,

543
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Speaker 4: you can they'll give you a run, right, but in

544
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Speaker 4: New South Wales you have to do training, but you

545
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Speaker 4: know full license all of that. They'll give you a

546
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Speaker 4: run that might be three or four hours. And if

547
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Speaker 4: you finish it within you know earlier, you keep all

548
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Speaker 4: the money, right, And what I like about it is

549
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Speaker 4: you can take a passenger with you, so it's perfect

550
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Speaker 4: for mums. It's perfect for people that it might be couples, right,

551
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Speaker 4: so one's driving, one's doing the deliveries, and I think

552
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Speaker 4: you can do up to four shifts a week and

553
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Speaker 4: the money's okay. I would suggest people do that over

554
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Speaker 4: Uber because it's more it's a courier run, that's what

555
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 4: it is. It's a courier run and you're not waiting

556
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Speaker 4: for the jobs to come in as you're driving around

557
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Speaker 4: and waiting at the restaurant and waiting at the restaurants

558
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Speaker 4: and things that Amazon flex and it works and you

559
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: know when there's prime days or when it's Christmas. I

560
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: do know that they open up other warehouses, like you

561
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 4: know Newcastle, there's heaps around Sydney. If you live near

562
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Speaker 4: a warehouse, even better for you look, I went in

563
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Speaker 4: and out of the botany one and we you know,

564
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Speaker 4: went around the city and stuff like. Yeah, it's if

565
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Speaker 4: you're a driver's perfect. But it's just it's a means

566
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Speaker 4: to an end until you find something permanent.

567
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Speaker 5: What's the best way for people to find temp work?

568
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Speaker 2: Do they search that?

569
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Speaker 4: Yep, Google recruitment agency, so you can do just in

570
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Speaker 4: your area, right temp recruitment or temp recruiter, and the

571
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Speaker 4: local ones will come up in your area. But the

572
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Speaker 4: big ones as well, There's like Hayes a Deco, Ranstads, Hudson's,

573
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Speaker 4: there's big ones that do lots of temp work. But

574
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Speaker 4: just google them in your area, apply to all of them,

575
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Speaker 4: give them a call because again, they want to hear

576
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Speaker 4: your communication skills, they.

577
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Speaker 3: Want to hear your motivation over the phone. And apply

578
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Speaker 3: to all of them.

579
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Speaker 4: Sign up with all of them, whoever will take you,

580
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Speaker 4: because that way you I've got multiple people looking for

581
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 4: work for you. Now, in saying that recruiters aren't employment consultants,

582
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Speaker 4: they work for a client, right, so they might have

583
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Speaker 4: jobs that will suit They're looking for candidates that will

584
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Speaker 4: suit their clients. So say, for example, Fate the label

585
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: is one of my clients. Brittany is looking for a

586
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Speaker 4: marketing manager, right, so I'll be interviewing people with Brittany

587
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 4: in mind to feel that position for her. I'm not

588
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Speaker 4: working for the candidate, where the candidate's saying these are

589
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: my qualifications, this is my experience, find me a job.

590
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: Doesn't work that way, So that's what people need to

591
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 4: keep in mind as well. Recruiters are working for a client.

592
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Speaker 4: They're not working for the candidate. The candidate doesn't pay

593
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 4: the recruiter. The client pays.

594
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Speaker 2: There is there anyone out there that does work for the.

595
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Speaker 4: For the employment consultants. So usually usually you have to

596
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Speaker 4: be on government benefits or centilling. Okay, right, so I

597
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: think like, is it wise employment? You'll see them around.

598
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Speaker 4: There's a few up in NEWI. You'll see them when

599
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 4: you're driving around. You'll see their job agent. They help

600
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Speaker 4: people find.

601
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Speaker 3: Work, Okay.

602
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: So there's a difference.

603
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Speaker 3: Difference.

604
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Speaker 4: There's a difference, and that's when people get confused and

605
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 4: they think recruiters do the same thing.

606
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: No, it's fully private. They get paid by a client.

607
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 4: And that's why they've got such a bad reputation as well,

608
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: because yes, anyone can become a recruiter. It's not standardized,

609
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: there's no regulations in it, but people get confused thinking

610
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: the recruiter is going to give.

611
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Speaker 3: Me a job. No, we're looking for a client.

612
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Speaker 2: One.

613
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we working for a client. I'm looking for the client.

614
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Speaker 4: I'm doing a service for my client because the client's

615
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Speaker 4: going to pay me a big commission when I do.

616
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Speaker 3: The job for them.

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Speaker 1: For me personally, I talk a lot about hiring here

618
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Speaker 1: on the pod. Yes, I personally think, out of everything

619
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Speaker 1: that there is to a business, I think people is

620
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Speaker 1: the hardest part it business. I will deal with finances,

621
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Speaker 1: stop going missing, something going wrong, I would deal with

622
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Speaker 1: all of that before I would want to deal with

623
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Speaker 1: people like it's a part of your business, and I

624
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: think it's the hardest part, from hiring all the way

625
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: through to keeping people happy and dealing with everything in between.

626
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: What would your advice be to business owners out there

627
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: who are maybe stepping into hiring their first employee.

628
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Speaker 4: Learn learn how to do recruitment properly right now. The

629
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: thing is, there's no courses out there right to learn

630
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: how to do recruitment properly. And this goes for you too, right,

631
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: if you can hire your staff like a recruiter. It

632
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: will make your job easier because you learn how to

633
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: time manage.

634
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: You don't take it personally.

635
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: And I think where business owners and a lot of

636
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: hiring managers make this mistake is they like the people

637
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: that they hire and they're not necessarily the best person.

638
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: For the job. Yep. It's really easy. It's really easy.

639
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: And what ends up happening is, especially for bigger businesses

640
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 4: where you might get like a customer service manager, they

641
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 4: don't want to look bad to their boss by hiring

642
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: the wrong person, and so what ends up happening is

643
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: the team supports this dud higher and then they all

644
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: get annoyed and they all get the shits, and so

645
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: then they start losing their team because there's one person

646
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: that they made a mistake on that they won't fix.

647
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Speaker 2: It's so it's so difficult, isn't it.

648
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: And I say this all the time on the pod,

649
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: like hiring someone can make or break your whole tas. Oh, yes,

650
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: I could hire someone tomorrow. For example, I've got someone

651
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: new starting in our office next Monday, and I'm really

652
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: excited yep to have her come on board.

653
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like, I know she's great.

654
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Speaker 1: I did the whole like, yep, the whole I good

655
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: because it's like a have to bridge. Yeah, like I've

656
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: done the whole hiring process with her like it was me.

657
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: But even still like, yes, I'm super excited. I know

658
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: she's going to be awesome, but you still like have

659
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: that thought in your mind of you could hire someone tomorrow.

660
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: They could come in and if you've got a great

661
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: team dynamic, one person can ruin everything.

662
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: That's all it takes.

663
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: And I've had that oh yeah, over the years.

664
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: And I'm sure every other business manner deals with this

665
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: same sort of stuff.

666
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: But it's just one of the most.

667
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Delicate and difficult parts of business is just people and

668
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: team dynamics. And I always stress to business owners here

669
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: on the pod that you can never be too careful,

670
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: like especially with that like first higher, but even with

671
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: your tenth higher yep, Like it's just a make or

672
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: break situation.

673
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: It is.

674
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: And this is why I disagree with AI in recruitment, right,

675
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: And I guess for you it is more personal because

676
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: your business is your baby.

677
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Right, You're in it all in some big corporate company.

678
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: You're I just invested in this, and you know, close

679
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: my eyes and hope for the best.

680
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: Right, your business is your baby, that's your child. And

681
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: when you're hiring, right you and you're all over it,

682
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: it's really hard to Like I said before, you know,

683
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: you want to like the people that are coming in,

684
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: but also you've got to look at their skills.

685
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: But you've also got to sit there in an interview

686
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: and look them in the eye, right, you use your

687
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: human instinct yep, to make sure that they're not going

688
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: to stuff your business up.

689
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's scary is people can go through that

690
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: whole interview process and lie.

691
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: They will and they do.

692
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: And I have experienced all myself where you hire someone

693
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: and you thought they were something and then they're not

694
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: that's right, And that is the most difficult situation to

695
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: be put in.

696
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: And you would think that no one would ever do that,

697
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: but people do. And I guess like I do get

698
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: it as well, because when you are interviewing, you're putting

699
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: your best self forward.

700
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: That's right, and we're gonna fluff and make our sound

701
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: ourselves sound a bit better.

702
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: But then when it comes to reality.

703
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: And that person comes into your business and they're not

704
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: what they said that they were, or they're completely different,

705
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: it's like.

706
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: The most sobering thing to have to deal with.

707
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: It is, And this is why I guess recruiters are

708
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: in business. This is why a lot of the HR

709
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: process has now become so tedious because people lie. People lie,

710
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: like I've had people lie on reference checks. I've had

711
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: people had a nurse and you know nursing is highly compliant.

712
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: I've got to make sure that you know the person

713
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 4: that I hire is not going to harm a patient, right,

714
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: you know they've done their own reference checks, okay. And

715
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: this is this is where I guess technology helps you

716
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 4: with this. When you've got online reference checking systems, you

717
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: can check the IP address and you start putting things together, saying,

718
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: hang on a second. You sent it from this IP address.

719
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: I've googled it.

720
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 4: It's a residential area, so either you're living with your

721
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: manager or you've done it yourself.

722
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: That's the thing too.

723
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: I always wonder when we do a reference check, which

724
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: is so important. You never know who that other person

725
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: on the phone, verify them.

726
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got to ask social media. You've got

727
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: to do question to play slips.

728
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: This is where the childcare industry is going down. The

729
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: gurglar and I don't send my kid to childcare because

730
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: of that, I'm a full time stay at home mum

731
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: and I've got my business. This is where the childcare

732
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: industry is stuffing up because you get business owners that

733
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: don't care, and because it's such a high turnover industry

734
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: that is hiring any And I'm on the record saying this,

735
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: I've said on my videos right, they're not doing their

736
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: hiring properly. They're not sitting in the interviews, they're not

737
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: using their gut instincts, and they're not doing reference workers

738
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: because everyone they're so desperate that they'll just bring anyone in.

739
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: And they're so desperate so they've got clouded vision and

740
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: so it's like, well we're running two three people under.

741
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: I just need to get anybody in.

742
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: And these monsters are getting through, and this is just

743
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: the tip of the iceberg is just starting. You watch

744
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: more come through, You watch more because they don't care.

745
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: A lot of these big childcare centers don't give a shit.

746
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: And it's and when you've got and it's the same

747
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: as you know, recruiting and disability and nursing where I

748
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: come from. You're recruiting people that are looking after vulnerable people,

749
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: and in this case you've got children that can't talk.

750
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: I know, and I feel like as well, like when

751
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: I was in school, going to do childcare was one

752
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: of the most common things that all, like all my

753
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: friends in school were going to do childcare. So like

754
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: it's like a highly sought after role that people go

755
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: into and then for it to be so easy to

756
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: get into that's right, you know.

757
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: And I'm like that does it need to change there

758
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: as well?

759
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Where it's not like my friends that were dropping out

760
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: in year ten they were going to do childcare at

761
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: tathe like, should it not be as easy to become

762
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: a childcare.

763
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: Should I'm of the opinion that childcare and disability, but again,

764
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: they can't find workers.

765
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.

766
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: That there should be a register like our prat for

767
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: the medical professionals, right, because then if something happens, then

768
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: also the government's liable, right. I'm of the opinion. But

769
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: the thing is childcare you can't find staff. And when

770
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 4: you've got you know, both parents having to work these days,

771
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: you can't have someone at home looking after your kids.

772
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: I mean coming from a Greek background, right where you

773
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: know family, family, family, and you've got the village. Yes, right,

774
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: Well that doesn't happen in Australia.

775
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't have a villa.

776
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: But I don't have that.

777
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: You know, I've moved away from my parents, right, you

778
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: know they're in Sydney, you know, living between Sydney and

779
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: the Hunter but I don't have that. So so me

780
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: and my husband have made sacrifices so I can be

781
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: at home to look after my son and i'd work

782
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 4: over nighttime.

783
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: A lot of parents.

784
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: Can't do that, no, right, so they have to rely

785
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: on childcare and now especially with the childcare subsidy. So

786
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: you go into business and you're going to get the

787
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: government's paying you to be open, right, so it's a

788
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: quick and easy business. Like it's like a lot of

789
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: where there's problems with the ndis same thing, right, they're

790
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: getting money from the government from having clients. I hope

791
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: to God, and I know they're not a lot of

792
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: the smaller ones aren't doing proper checks. You've got to

793
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 4: do these reference checks, do your social media checks, because again,

794
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: if something goes wrong, they're going to go to the recruitment,

795
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 4: they're going to go through your hiring they're going to

796
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 4: look at your notes. Why didn't you pick this up?

797
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 4: Why didn't you pick this up? Talk to me about

798
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 4: the body language, right, what did they wear when they

799
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: came in? And so candidates get annoyed like, oh, it's

800
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: so tedious, but you've got to be.

801
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: But you have to Yeah, it's got to be like

802
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: such attution thing.

803
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: Well, pretty you might have someone that's a editor, and

804
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: I've seen it happen come in to your business to

805
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 4: try and copy you. How are you going to find

806
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 4: that out? Do the reference checks. I want pay slips.

807
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 4: If I can't find your managers on LinkedIn, I want

808
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: pay slips. Take the take the the numbers out, Take

809
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 4: the payout.

810
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, take out.

811
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: I want to see that you've proved that you've worked

812
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: at this place.

813
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: See. But then I get so skeptical on people. I'm like,

814
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: someone's going to make up of pay a fake pay slip,

815
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: then it's fraud.

816
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: Then it's fraud. No people have I've been.

817
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: I've worked at places where people have faked They've done

818
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 4: photoshop with the first aid certificates and the CPR, and

819
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: my boss I had to go to the police.

820
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, people lie.

821
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: That's why I'm so blunt on my tiktoks right, because

822
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: it's so important. This stuff is so important, and to

823
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: be fair, Look, my content's boring.

824
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: It's jobs.

825
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: I think you make it fun.

826
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'll try. But to the everyday person, it's boring.

827
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: Everyone's got a job. Yeah right, it's boring stuff. It's

828
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: not interesting. But that's why I'm so blunt and so forward,

829
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: because it's so important that business owners get it right

830
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: and the candidates get it right.

831
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: And I want people to know. If you lie, God

832
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: hope that you get caught out. That's not right.

833
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: In my experience, they always do.

834
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: They always do.

835
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: They do, They always do like it always comes out.

836
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it comes out. It comes back to bite them.

837
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 4: And this is where you know you've got the fair

838
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: work on BNSMAN and the unions as well. They'll protect

839
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: the employees, but no one's protecting you.

840
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: If you lie. Yeah, watch it.

841
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: And if you don't have something that the employer is

842
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: looking for, work towards it and get it. Go in

843
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: a low position and work your way out. People don't

844
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 4: want to do that. They don't put the hours in.

845
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: It's I've just finished UNI. That's what I get a lot.

846
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: I've just finished UNI. I deserve to be on one

847
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: hundred plus.

848
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

849
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 4: I had one marketing hiring manager a couple of weeks ago,

850
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 4: say to me, we had a junior marketing assistant. They

851
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: wanted one hundred and thirty k plus super just out

852
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 4: of UNI, like with no experience, with no experience. And

853
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 4: I tell my kids that have come out of UNI,

854
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: shown me social media, what are you good at?

855
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: What's your hobby? You like taekwondo?

856
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: Okay, make a website about it, do something about tournaments,

857
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: get busy, show that you're doing it on a personal level. Yeah,

858
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: you're going to be paid terribly at the start, but

859
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 4: you've got to start somewhere. But again with social media,

860
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: as I say, no, the village judiots have found their friends.

861
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 4: You've got people that I'm so sorry, I'm loving it right,

862
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: the village idiots have found their friends. So you've got

863
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 4: people that are winging about the prowsing crisis. Yes, we're

864
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: in a housing crisis and all of that, but that

865
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you can knock on the door doll

866
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: business and say, well, because I can't afford a house,

867
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: you need to pay me this much.

868
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: What value are you going to bring ye?

869
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: How are you going to solve the problems if you've

870
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 4: got If I need to teach you, which is fine, you're.

871
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: Not going to get paid that much.

872
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: And then eventually, when I train you and you can

873
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 4: start taking some of my duties away, you get paid more.

874
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

875
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's one thing that I wish more

876
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: people would realize is like the power that people hold

877
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: as employees.

878
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: Yes, if they just go for gold, that's.

879
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: Right, just go that's for gold.

880
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: And I can only say that from my business and

881
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: the way that I run it. But you know, if

882
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: we have a team member that comes in like flaming

883
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: hot and they just come in and show me what

884
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: they've got, like, I'm going to notice that, you.

885
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: Know, and it's fine.

886
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: Not everyone wants to go into a career or a

887
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: job and like go for gold and see how far

888
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: they can take it. Some people just want to want

889
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: to have, you know, their job. They show up, they

890
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: get the task done, and.

891
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: They go home. But especially with all these ECM businesses.

892
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: That we have now and younger business owners like myself

893
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: where we are also go getters.

894
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: That's like I'm.

895
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: Looking for those people that are going to show up

896
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: to work and knock my fucking socks off.

897
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: And that's right, and that's what you want.

898
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Because if you knock my socks off, like, watch your

899
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: career skyrocket.

900
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Exactly, I'm going to bring you with me.

901
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: You know. That's the thing. That's the thing.

902
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 4: When you work in corporate, it's not like that exactly.

903
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: People like you aren't common anymore. It used to be.

904
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Again, I always have to say that.

905
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: I always say, I'm only speaking from me and fate

906
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: and they.

907
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: I wish my boss was like that.

908
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: I work at Target, but I'm like, the bosses at

909
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: Target don't have that power in corporate.

910
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so because your boss is trying to keep their

911
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: boss in a job and you know, and so forth. Yes, right,

912
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 4: but when you've got even though you're big business, you're

913
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: really small business at heart. Yes, you cherish your employees.

914
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: You if you see that spark.

915
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Right, if I see that spark, I'm like, yes, like's

916
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: don do that, right?

917
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: And I think you're one of those people that eventually,

918
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 4: if those sparks eventually leave, you will support them and

919
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: you'll be happy for them.

920
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

921
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: I think where we you know, being on social media,

922
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: so many people are so I wouldn't say the word

923
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: narcissistic but self absorbed, where they want to be attention

924
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: all the time and they want to be the boss,

925
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: and they want to be the one that's successful that

926
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: they don't like other people having that success. They've got

927
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: that scarcity mindset. Well, if if you help everyone to

928
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: be successful, have that abundance mindset.

929
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: Will all be good. Oh exactly right, Like if my.

930
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Employees continue to succeed and thrive, then I thrive and

931
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: the business and we win.

932
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all win.

933
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect.

934
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't happen in corporate.

935
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

936
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: It's and it's soul sucking. And that's why I don't

937
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: work for anyone anymore. I mean, look, I say that,

938
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: but I also grew up in small business, so it's

939
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: kind of different for me. It's just it's a piece

940
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: of categ Like I've had four I think now four businesses.

941
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 4: This is my fourth one. But that's why I could

942
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: never ever go back working for corporate. And I guess

943
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: in like, you know, just doing this for three years

944
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 4: the past year, I've noticed being in media, right, they

945
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: also look after each other as well, and it's about

946
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 4: networking and everyone I've met is beautiful yeah. I speak

947
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: to journals every week. Everyone's really nice and they appreciate

948
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 4: hard work. The media industry is different to corporate corporates.

949
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

950
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: Being in media, the biggest thing that we have is

951
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 5: that we all know each other and support each other.

952
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 5: And if there's one bad egg, yes, they don't get

953
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: hired at all.

954
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't. And it's actually really nice to see.

955
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: It reminds me of what it was like like in

956
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: the early two thousands when you're working, right, I've been

957
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: working that for like twenty twenty.

958
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: Five years, and it used to be like that.

959
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 4: Now everything is so you know, clinical and tick boxes

960
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: stuff up. Oh no, you're gone because we don't want

961
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: you to sue us. Right, Yeah, that's what it is.

962
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: But the media, it's not like everyone's absolutely.

963
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: And look, everyone's still that for each other. Don't get

964
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 5: me wrong. But at the end of the day, if

965
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 5: you're a good person and you're good at your job,

966
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: everyone knows it and everyone respects you, and it holds

967
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 5: weight and I love that.

968
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: It's I wish it was more like that, but it's not.

969
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: In corporate and it's.

970
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Not I think it's a privilege that I'm in the

971
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: position where I've been able to build Fate the way

972
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: that I want it to be, and then I've been able.

973
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: To do the things that we do internally with our team.

974
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: That's what I think.

975
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: That's like a privilege, yep, you know. And then it's

976
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: also really a privilege to our team members to work

977
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: for a business that is like solo owned and founded,

978
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: because then they have me and I can be proactive.

979
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: That's right with them, as opposed to people that do

980
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: go and work in a big corporate environment where they

981
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: might ask for four years for growth and not get anywhere.

982
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: Yep, sometimes I don't.

983
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Because like the business is just too big and like

984
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go.

985
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's you know, so many people have to

986
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 4: tick the yes box and the bureaucracy and all of that.

987
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: I've been to your store in Newcastle. Oh have you

988
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: I have?

989
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

990
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: And it smells beautiful. Yeah, and the smells really not.

991
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: Thanks.

992
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: I've forgot the girl. I've seen her on social media.

993
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: Like going in and you know, as a plus sized person,

994
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: you know, I love clothes, but I know clothes don't

995
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 4: fit me right going in and feeling comfortable and feeling

996
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 4: confident with yourself when you're going shopping, you can't buy that,

997
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 4: and that comes out in your staff.

998
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: Well done, my girl. No, that's awesome.

999
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: Like what you're doing is amazing, everything that you're doing,

1000
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 4: Like people should be looking up to you.

1001
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. It's really nice to hear that.

1002
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: It is, like you know, even though we do so

1003
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 1: many awesome things and like all my content is like fun, exciting, great,

1004
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: and like, I that's real and I absolutely love it.

1005
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: It's really hard to like be a business owner and

1006
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: found that when you're dealing with all the stuff internally,

1007
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: and sometimes I lay in bed at night if like

1008
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: something's going wrong at work and I question myself, like

1009
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: am I fucking even for theies?

1010
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: Is all fucked?

1011
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 4: It's just look yeah, it's just I grew up in business,

1012
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: right my sister so hard.

1013
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: It's so it's really hard. And the thing is do

1014
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: you an aj fight?

1015
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: No?

1016
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: Oh really?

1017
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, different, we're really like where fucking we're solid

1018
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: covers and we just compliment each other.

1019
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: So well that's brilliant and bless him.

1020
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'm like going through stressful times where I

1021
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: know I've done nothing wrong, like but I'm still feeling

1022
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: like because when you're a boss. When things are going

1023
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: wrong and you know you've done nothing wrong, you still

1024
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: feel like question, you've done everything wrong.

1025
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, and bless him.

1026
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: He said to me, like, oh, maybe like a month ago,

1027
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: when I was dealing with something, He's like, even if

1028
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: you had fucked up so bad, Britt, I would be

1029
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: there standing by your side, and I would be going, no,

1030
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: you're in the right. I'm like, don't you make me cry.

1031
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: It's the nicest thing you've ever said. He's like, even

1032
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: if you're wrong, I would be there.

1033
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: So you're very lucky. That's great.

1034
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: But growing up in business, right, you know again, coming

1035
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: from a Greek background, my house, my parents gonna listen

1036
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: to this. My house, we are always fighting because we're

1037
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: in bussn't No.

1038
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know a lot of couples that work together would,

1039
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: but AJ and I were just so fortunate.

1040
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: But it's not. It's normal. It's normal to doubt yourself.

1041
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: It's normal to think, oh shit, did I make this?

1042
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 4: Was this the right decision?

1043
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1044
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: Or if I said something to someone that's made them

1045
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 4: do this, or like whatever, it is right, that's just business. Yeah,

1046
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: it's just business. You're going to second guess yourself. I'd

1047
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 4: do it all the time.

1048
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And even though I know I'm doing good,

1049
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: like you're still.

1050
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: That's just how it is.

1051
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: And you know what, sometimes you just need that person

1052
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: to ring and vent and have it out with them.

1053
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 4: And sometimes you know, I might give you feedback. Whether

1054
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 4: that's you know, positive, negative, doesn't matter. But sometimes you

1055
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: just need to have it out right and then brush

1056
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: it off and next day is a new day and

1057
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: just keep moving forward.

1058
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I could talk to you for ten hours,

1059
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: like I could just keep chatting. I can keep chanting

1060
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: to you for so long.

1061
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 5: For getting to write notes, I'm so engaged.

1062
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: We'll have to catch up in newing and having of course,

1063
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: well look things, so I work of a night. Times

1064
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: I've got my days are free, let's do it. So

1065
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 4: I'm always I'm always around like stories. Yeah, honestly, you know,

1066
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 4: I'll give you my number. You ring me if you've

1067
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: got problems, oh, if your candidate has done something, or

1068
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: I'll teach you how to interview properly. Right, Like, if

1069
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: you're in an interview, you mimic them, mimic them. Okay,

1070
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: So if I'm sitting like this, do the same. Okay,

1071
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: someone's you know, leaning back, do the same. You mimic them,

1072
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: mimic their body language, because your your job as an interviewer.

1073
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: Learn this is this is just life' u right.

1074
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 4: Make them feel as comfortable as possible because they will

1075
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 4: give you all the information and that's how you find

1076
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: out if that person's going to lie to you or not. Now,

1077
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 4: you do get people. You do get people that will

1078
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 4: you know, and I've made mistakes that interview beautifully and

1079
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: they stuff up on the job or they end up

1080
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 4: being absolute crazies, right they do. I've had one where

1081
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: before TikTok before Instagram got annoyed with me because I

1082
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 4: didn't give her a job when on Facebook, when on

1083
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: a tammy.

1084
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: Bitch slapped me. She did this, she did that.

1085
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: You know, when you're working for someone else, it's all

1086
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 4: about you know their brand.

1087
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: So you've got to be professional.

1088
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: Now that you know someone did that in my business,

1089
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 4: good luck, I'm coming after you.

1090
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: I've got the best law in Sydney. I am coming up.

1091
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: You don't.

1092
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 4: And this is what this is what annoys me as well,

1093
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: because of these big corporates and the you know your

1094
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: your brand.

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Speaker 3: It's reputation.

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Speaker 4: Right, you have to and I don't want to say

1097
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: not fight back, but you have to be passive about it. No,

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00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 4: if you've got someone that is try to step all

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00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 4: over your business, that is, try to step all over

1100
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: your character, fight back and it makes you feel better.

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00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: Sometimes you have to say to someone f you. Sometimes

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00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 4: you have to tell them to get stuffed, right, because

1103
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: if they've hurt you, you want to feel better about

1104
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: it too, right, fight back, protect what you love, protect

1105
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: your passions, you know, And yeah, I mean just that's

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00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 4: what we That's what I do in my business. I've

1107
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: had hate mail and my assistants they're better than me,

1108
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 4: they're better than I am.

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Speaker 3: They bite back. You can't behave like that. That's not right.

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00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 4: You know, have some manners, have some politeness. And I

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00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: think as well, because of the whole brand management, people

1112
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 4: have gotten away with behaving like idiots and they don't

1113
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: understand why they can't get a job right. They do

1114
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: it on social media, like you were saying.

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Speaker 2: One thing that I'm actually wanting to do.

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00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: And you don't have to include this in the pod,

1117
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, for my leadership team, yes, and like our

1118
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: people and culture team and my people are in leadership.

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00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: What I'm actually wanting to do, which I've spoken to

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00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: a couple of them about, is I'm wanting to introduce

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00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: them to other professionals in the same sort of field

1122
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: as them, because a lot of my team, like we're

1123
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: a big business, but maybe this is like their first

1124
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: kind of role in like the space that they're in,

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00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: And what I'm wanting to do is connect them with

1126
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: more experienced people in a similar field that has have

1127
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot more experience. So that like, because it's just

1128
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: really nice to meet someone and they're like speaking the

1129
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: same language as you, you know, So I'm wanting to

1130
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: connect like our team member who does like our influencer

1131
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: in PR, with someone that's like in you know, the

1132
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: PR world, but it's been in it for a lot longer,

1133
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: and like I'd love to connect you with like our

1134
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: team member that's doing all of our people and culture

1135
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: stuff with Fate, just because it's nice to just chat

1136
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: with people, like you said networking network, Like it's just

1137
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: so important and like to speak to someone and hear

1138
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: their experience and to ask some questions about the times

1139
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: that you're doubting yourself or stressful times and have someone

1140
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: else go. Look, I've dealt with that exact same stuff xyz.

1141
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: Like that's one thing I'm wanting to do with my

1142
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: leadership team at FATE is just to connect them with

1143
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: others who can just take twenty minutes out of their

1144
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: day to have a conversation with them so that they

1145
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: can just like feel good about.

1146
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: What they're doing and have that like external reassurance.

1147
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: That's perfect.

1148
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I might connect you with someone at Faith

1149
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: of course.

1150
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: And I mean this, if you need anything whatever, if

1151
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: it's ten o'clock at night, to.

1152
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: Stop it your yay ring me like you're hired, come

1153
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: on in, come on.

1154
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1155
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: I'll do it as a friend, okay, right, Like I'm like,

1156
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm a relationships type person.

1157
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: I don't know anything for it. Like no, but I'm down.

1158
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm literally down the road.

1159
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: I'm down the road in Sydney, right Like, you just

1160
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: tell me when and I'll come in.

1161
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: I might have to.

1162
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 4: Bring my son, so my family thing. He's welcome, yep, good,

1163
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 4: but I'll come in.

1164
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: I will help you.

1165
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: We'll have the coffee ready. Yeah, and the stacks love it. Tammy, Well,

1166
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: where can everyone find you? And what is it that

1167
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: you can offer them because I like you do like.

1168
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Resume writing and everything like that.

1169
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: So at the moment, I do resume regime and a

1170
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: couple of the packages resume templates, you can get them

1171
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 4: for twelve fifty off my website. I'm getting a new website.

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00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 4: I was gonna actually ask you to roast my website

1173
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: by don't it's absolutely I.

1174
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: Went on last My version is really bad.

1175
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's terrible. And my husband works

1176
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: in a marketing team. Oh right, come on, I haven't

1177
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: got time, like because I want to do it. And

1178
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 4: then yeah, I went on it last night and I'm like,

1179
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: oh she did. I've got the Shopper fine one, ready

1180
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: to go. Okay, but I need to have tests and stuff.

1181
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: Because well, how about you come to Fate and you

1182
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: can chat with some of my team members I think

1183
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: could learn off you, and then I'll help you finish

1184
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: your Shopper five website.

1185
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1186
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: Oh that'd be really good because I've started four Shopify

1187
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: website which one I want?

1188
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: Well, we know Shopify like the back of our.

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00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, mad. I wouldn't talk about the couple of this,

1190
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Speaker 3: I know. Okay, I'll come into faith.

1191
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: We'll just come in to do a little bonus episode

1192
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: or something around me. But where can everyone find you?

1193
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm on TikTok career

1194
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: coach Tammy. Same with Instagram, I'm on LinkedIn, Tammy, Christophus

1195
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: ballas if you I'm not really on LinkedIn because it's

1196
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 4: a bit wranky for me, but it's one.

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00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: Of those out had I just never check. I just

1198
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: always forget, forget that.

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Speaker 3: I get all the tight asses on LinkedIn.

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00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 4: I get people that see me in the newspapers and

1201
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: they miss it, and they know that I've got a

1202
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 4: business because they say it all in the newspapers and

1203
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: they'll be like, oh, can you help me with my career.

1204
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, there's my website, book an appointment, and

1205
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 4: oh no, can't you just like tell me and these people, yeah,

1206
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 4: I know how much money. These people are wrong because

1207
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 4: I know they're wages right, But and my website is

1208
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: realistic careers dot com.

1209
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: Do you it's absolutely terrible.

1210
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: I'm in the pro Yeah, it's it is so bad,

1211
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: but I had no time, and it's it's serving me now.

1212
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: But now that I'm getting bigger and bigger, like you

1213
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 4: need to better, I've got hundreds of templates ready to go,

1214
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: but it's just you.

1215
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: Know, I'll help you with it.

1216
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 3: Thank you. I would love that.

1217
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: I'll help you out there. That's where you can find me.

1218
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: But thank you for having me on. Sorry for talking

1219
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 4: so much.

1220
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: Oh we love it, Honestly a could talk for We'll

1221
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: have to get you on it again and talk more

1222
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: about careers, resumes and cover.

1223
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: Letters and cover letters. Of course, I would love that.

1224
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure.