1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: This episode of Headgame was recorded on gadigal Land. It's 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: October thirteen, twenty thirteen. Mark Winterbottom and his driving partner 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Richards have just claimed the bath First one thousand 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: at the famed Mount Panorama. The win has been more 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: than ten years in the making for winter Bottom, whose 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: love of motorsport began was growing up in Western Sydney, 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: starting with a peewee fifty one in a raffle. Mark's 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: need for speed saw him become a champion in karting 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: as his family scrimped and saved to support his passion. 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Ten years on the supercars circuit finally pays off as 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: he takes to the bath First one thousand podium. I'm 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Att Middleton and this is Headgame today, Champion Supercars driver 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Mark Winterbottom on achieving success against all odds. Mark, how 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: are you, buddy? 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Well? How are you mate? 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm always good, mate, you know me, always good. Really 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: happy that I've got you on the podcast mate, because 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: we were just having a chat off line there about 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: Bahurst one thousand, two years ago when I ab sailed 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: in with the with the trophy. Wow, what an event 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: and it's something that's been part of your career right 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: for many years now by such a special event. 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: It is, it is, and it's funny. 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: You know, we're meant to be these tough blokes racing 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: around Bathurst. 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: But I'd take the car over abstoing what you did 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: any day of the week. But Betha's the iconic for 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: our sport. 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: It's what it's what got me into it, you know, 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: watching as a kid, watching the King of the Mountain 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. Preter Brock Johnson moffatwis 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: goes on, so very very special place for any motor sport, 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: drava or enthusiasts. 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: It's a big event. 35 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Have you always been interested in racing? And just talk 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: to me about your your background and about your upbringing 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: for a bit. Who influenced you to get into racing. 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Was it your mum, your dad or was it both? 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? It was both. Actually I played soccer as a 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: as a kid. 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: So I grew up in New Western Sydney and at 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: a little suburb called dun Side near Blacktown. And you 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 3: either played football or you played soccer. And you can 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: see me on this video that I'm not the biggest float, 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: so you choose soccer because I don't want anything. 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: As you're an AUSSI mate, it's meant to be footy. Surely, 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: surely I chose soccer. 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: I know my abilities and my skills. But but yeah, 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: Mum and Dad both raced. Dad race speak sprint cars 50 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: and Mum raced minis of all. 51 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: Things out of Lauren Park. 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: So but for me, you know, we we most sports expensive, 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: so it was always something we watched and loved and 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: family had involvement, but could never afford really to get 55 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: that next step. So soccer, you know, twenty dollar pair 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: of boots back then and registration was what we could 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: afford and what I did. 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, my life changed. 59 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: I had a Peewee fifty that I won in a 60 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: raffle at the local shopping center, and yeah, two dollar 61 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 3: ticket type scenario changed my life and careers. So as 62 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: soon as I got a piece of machinery, it's very addictive, 63 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: something about fuel and adrenaline going into your blood and 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: your veins. It's it made soccer seem really boring. So 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 3: that kickstarted the career and family involvement. But it wasn't 66 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: until we got that bike and that that opportunity that 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: I got to actually fear it. 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: So what happened there? Mark, you got you got a 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: You won a bike at Raffle. 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so local shopping center was It was a two 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: dollar ticket, which I'm not going to show my age 72 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: too much, but back in nineteen eighty five or eighty six, 73 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: it's a lot of money, you know. 74 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: But I walked into the shopping center and there was 75 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: this big display of prizes and I can't remember what 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: else there was, but I remember the peewee and I 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: annoyed mum massively to make sure she bought a ticket, 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: and she played hardball, but after about twenty minutes of 79 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: nagging and being persistent, she brought me a ticket, and yeah, 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: from there, actually we won the bike, which is one 81 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: in a million, you know. But I'm a big believer 82 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: in fate and it was my day in my time, 83 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: and that got me the opportunity to go to go racing. 84 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: And that's how it was, as simple as that toot 85 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: a ticket changed my path and my career. 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: And when you say that you had an upbringing, you weren't, 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have the funds or your parents 88 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: didn't have the because it's expensive to get into racing, 89 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's expensive to get into any form of racing, 90 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, motocross, whether it's karting. You know, 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: all leads on to funds, right and if you haven't 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: got them, then you could have been the most talented 93 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: or passionate sort of kid in the world wanting to 94 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: pursue that career. But if you if you lack the funds, 95 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: and it's not going. 96 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: To happen, right, Yeah, absolutely, And you know other sports 97 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: there's talent scouts and you know you can go through 98 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: the junior programs and the system. But in motorsport, when 99 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: you go through the junior programs, it still costs a 100 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: lot of money. 101 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very very tough. 102 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: You know, go karts back then, we're five thousand dollars 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: for an engine in a go cart. Then you've got 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: to buy tires and run it and have family commitment 105 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: and travel and all the stuff that goes with it. 106 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: So you know, with that, we also had a fair 107 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: bit going on at home. Mum wasn't well as well, and. 108 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 3: You know she shared breast cancer when she was thirty eight, 109 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: so she was a very good mum. You know, she 110 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: did whatever she could for her kids to follow their 111 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: dreams and succeed and just live a good life. So 112 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: throwing health, money and kind of everything we had going 113 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: on back then, it was a dream. That's all my 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: just sport was to me was a dream, and that 115 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: ticket gave me hope and a bit of reality, and 116 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: from there we turned that dream into something a bit more. 117 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: I can imagine. I know what it's like being a 118 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: youngster and not having much, but winning that bike. I 119 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: bet that was just the moment that you'll never ever forget. 120 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: In my mind, I knew I was getting it. It's funny. 121 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: It's a funny feeling because every time the phone rang 122 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: at home, I said to Mom, that's the motorbike. And 123 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: she ended up going she was a nice much because 124 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: you want to put me down and say, hey, I'm 125 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: going to let your damn stuff. 126 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: You're not going to win. 127 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: You might win the meat the meat tray, not the bike, 128 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: whatever it was, you know, But every day I go, 129 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: that's my bike, mum. And that one day that it 130 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: did ring it it was the bike. But when it 131 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: comes we had to go pick it up put in 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: the back of it. Were sound real bogan here, but 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: we had a station wagon and we threw it in 134 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: the back and when I got home, you just sit 135 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: on it, start it, red it, turn it off, sit 136 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: on it, start it like it was. It's your pride 137 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: and joy, and when you don't have things given to you, 138 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: you appreciate those moments, you know, And like you said, 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: that was the pride and joy was what kickstarted, you know, 140 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: my twenty one year career of racing without that ticket 141 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: I was done. So one of the most treasured things 142 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 3: I've ever had in my life, for sure. 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: And so what did your childhood look like? You know, 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: navigating the sort of want and need and passion to 145 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: to race. But how hard was it to keep that 146 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: momentum and that passion alive with with you know what 147 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: you were going through at the time. 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: It was it was a tough time in our life, 149 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: to be honest. 150 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: Mum was diagnosed with breast cancer back then, so around 151 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: the same time the motorbike comes. So we were looking 152 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: for we were looking for something positive in our life 153 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: because it was it was a tough time, you know. 154 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: We I'm four or five years old and all these 155 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: check ups with mum, you know, wondering whether it's good 156 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: news or bad news. It's you know that that that 157 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: were the toughest moments of my life. But then the 158 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: outlet was this motorbike that we could go and have 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: fun on and kind of putting the helmet on and 160 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: rev and the engine cleared any you. 161 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: Know, bad stuff that was going on. 162 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: So not only did I love it, it was my 163 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: outlet for the trauma we're having at home, you know, 164 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: so you know, and that was Mum and my family 165 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: as well would come and watch, and it was kind 166 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: of our outlet. So it meant more to me than 167 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: just a you know, just a bit of fun. It 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: was what do you call it, like a healing mechanism. 169 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: You know, it was tough times therapy. It was very 170 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: hard back then because you know, I'd go to every 171 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: one of mom's checkups because my sister was at school 172 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: and that were very close, but she was at school 173 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: like grade three or four, and my dad was very distant. 174 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: He wasn't a very loving, emotional top person. So you know, 175 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: all those checkups. When I was five, I was getting 176 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: taken out of school to go with her. That was 177 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: just I was her a little bit of relief and support, 178 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: you know. So there the bike mean a lot more. 179 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 3: It was therapy, and probably why I loved it too, 180 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: because it got attached. It was a good thing in 181 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: our life, not a bad thing for once. 182 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like that you were sort of there for 183 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: each other, You complimented each other. It sounded like you 184 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: very much bounced off each other as you was growing 185 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: up and find your feet in the racing world because 186 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: it was something that you were just super passionate about. 187 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: There's nothing else that you wanted to do apart from race, 188 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: was there apart well, apart from play soccer. 189 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, well, you. 190 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: Know, once you start racing and you do it for 191 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: fun and lo like I said, had its really good moments, 192 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: and then fun becomes competitive and then you finish a 193 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 3: good race and then then you go onto the next 194 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: one and you go a little bit better. And I've 195 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: always been very you know, competitive, super competitive, and that 196 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: probably stems from her as well, because we used to 197 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: play you know, you know, that little card game, and 198 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: it was probably we had blow ups because it was 199 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: the most competitive thing over nothing. So probably started quite 200 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: early about dealing with stress and all that sort of 201 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: side and then dealing with competition. So once you started 202 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 3: getting better and traveling and getting success, and trophies and 203 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: all that sort of side. It's just that the passion 204 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: and the drive just got hungry and hungrier, and it 205 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: always remained fun. 206 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: But then there was a. 207 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Purpose, you know, and you had to you were going 208 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: not just to compete, you were going to try and win, 209 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: and that was cool, like that was a really cool 210 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: part of your your child life. And then then you 211 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: don't think about the n P two, which for me 212 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: was supercars. But then you were trying to path out 213 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: the way. How do I get it? Who do I 214 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: have to speak to? 215 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: You know? How do I raise the money to do this? 216 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: How can I you know, just send that pathway in 217 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: your team started coming a bit more reality, and you 218 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: got closer and closer, then further away and closer and 219 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: further like it just it's a journey. And to the 220 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: day I got retired, which was the end of last year, 221 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm still hungry. I still love it. It's a sport 222 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: that just is my passion. And I think you do 223 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: a long you do it for a long time because 224 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: of how much you love it. 225 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: It's not a chore. It's it's my passion and my 226 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: life and has been from day one. 227 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: And how hard was it to navigate growing up, you know, 228 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: knowing that nothing was on a plate for you, you 229 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: had to go out and get everything. So it made 230 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: it that much harder wherever ever, doubting moments growing up 231 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: that your your dream would just remain a dream and 232 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: never become a reality. 233 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: I hate the word no, so to be honest, when 234 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: doors closed, I get hungrier and I go, I go 235 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: harder for about one that opens. So you know, there's 236 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: always everyone always talks about luck, you know, and for 237 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: me that that pee wee fifty was luck. But then 238 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: when you have like you've got to put in hard 239 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: work and you know, I think I've been had a 240 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: lot of resilience from a young age. So being from 241 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: Western Sydney, you do get told you're not going to 242 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: get this. You're not going to get that, you know, 243 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: family without money, So you's got to find another path, 244 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: don't you Like, there's there's the pay option, and that 245 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: wasn't an option for us, so you just beg borrows steal. 246 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: I didn't steal, beg borrow, not still, but but you 247 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: do whatever you can to get in and that's when 248 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: you do get there, you make the most of it 249 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: because you've had to work your absolute backside off to 250 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: make it happen, you know. So yeah, doors always closed, 251 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: but you always had to find that sneaky one that 252 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: was half a jar. And for me to get into 253 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 3: the supercars, there was a a. 254 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: Series in go karting called the Ford Cart Stars. 255 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: It was Ford's way of getting a scholarship program, and 256 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: to enter that series was fifteen thousand dollars and I 257 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: didn't have fifteen thousand dollars. I was earning one hundred 258 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 3: and fifty bucks a week putting go carts together. So 259 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: I went to the bank and I got a loan 260 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: for a Mitsubishi Lance, at which I didn't want a 261 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 3: Mitsubishi Lance. If I've got the fifteen grand had debt 262 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 3: and then went won the championship, got the scholarship. 263 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: So wow, how old were you then, Mark? 264 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: I was eighteen? Wow, eighteen years old. 265 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: So but people say you're lucky, you know, and that's 266 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: I was always happy to have a fifteen thousand dollar 267 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: debt and work out how to pay for it, then 268 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: put my feed up twenty one and say I didn't 269 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: have a crack, you know. So there's always a way, 270 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: there's always a way in you just got to find 271 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 3: it and take the risks that others won't. And you 272 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: know that was my turning point into carding the road racing. 273 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: That's a huge commitment. It's a huge risk as well, 274 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: because God, looking back, you know, fifteen thousand dollars, that's 275 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: a lot of money to oh when you're eighteen and 276 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: you don't really know how you're going to pay it back. 277 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: Was there any doubt that you weren't going to win it, 278 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: or you know that it could all come crumbling down? 279 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: Or was you just were you just in that mindset 280 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: of being obsessed with your with your trade. 281 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably some. 282 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: I'm a super humble, non arrogant person, but in my 283 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: mind I've got a lot of arrogance. I guess that 284 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: no one can beat me. But if you if you 285 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: have preparation and self belief, it's it's a big thing. 286 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: So but for me, like pressure for me is good. 287 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: I like pressure. I lift when there's pressure. And I think, 288 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: you know, people have often said, you know, like that 289 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: last lap at Bathist when you when you're held off 290 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: this guy or starting on the front row, or I 291 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: love that, like that that stuff gets me going. You know, 292 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: I think For me, pressure was going to appointments with mum, 293 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: waiting to see if she got good news or bad news. 294 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: That's pressure, you know, like that's life changing pressure on 295 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: a on a racetrack, that's that's my area. And I 296 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: train hard, I work hard, I prep hard. If they 297 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: beat me, I'm I'm that they might beat me that day. 298 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: They won't beat me next week. You don't have self 299 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: belief to succeed, you know. But if I'm in front, 300 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: they ain't catching me. That's my mindset, and I've always 301 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: thought that way. 302 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: You know. 303 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: In that carding moment, there was literally myself and another 304 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: guy in the final race, and I did just care 305 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: him apart. And it sounds cruel and brutal, but I 306 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: looked at his weaknesses and I tried to expose him 307 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: and he didn't like to follow. So I was really 308 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: aggressive to get him. Frunt of him to win that race, 309 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: and I exposed his weakness. And it's still die you 310 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: when we're talking today. 311 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: You lose. I'm paying off fifteen thousand dollars. 312 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: I suppose you didn't know any different growing up, you know, 313 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: you always had to subconsciously deal with pressure until pressure 314 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: was put on you again and you actually realized, Wow, 315 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: this is pressure, but actually this is where I thrive. 316 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: So I suppose that was it that was in your 317 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: DNA growing up, right, and that self belief of right, 318 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: I can get through anything sort of translated into the 319 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: racing world. 320 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, like it's it's how it was 321 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: a part of my life. I'd probably beat you up 322 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: for a long time, you know, but you use things 323 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: as strengths, and they mold the person you are, don't they. 324 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: You know, like whatever you do growing up mold you 325 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: to the adult you become. And for me that strength 326 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: and you know, when I see how Mum handled it 327 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: and all that sort of side, they taught me mechanisms 328 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: of how she dealt And then racing is not that 329 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: hard really, it's you do it because you love it, 330 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: and if you're up the front, the pressure you've got 331 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: on yourself is because you've got a chance to win. Yeah, 332 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: Like I think when I got to those moments, all 333 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: your childhood stuff and all the hard you know times 334 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: you went through my dad left us later in my 335 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: life as well, and all the traw me you have 336 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: to use for positive because we all go through it. 337 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: Some people dwell on it a bit and it gets 338 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: to you, beats them up and gets the better of them. 339 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: For me, I've always tried to use weaknesses and turn 340 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: them into strengths. And those moments were tough. But racing 341 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: never felt as tough as those early days, that's for sure. 342 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: So good to going back to this race. You've got 343 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: fifteen grand on your head, you go into this race, 344 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: you win. It is this the moment mark where you 345 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: think to yourself, this is exactly what I want to do. 346 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: I know that I'm good enough. I've won. It's going 347 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: to keep on with this momentum. 348 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 349 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: I think by that point I'd won ten Austraian titles 350 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: in karting and twenty five. 351 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: You all over it. You're all over it by this stage. 352 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: No, but it meant nothing. 353 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: It was only it gave you credibility once you got 354 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: that fifteen thousand dollars championship, which was one hundred and 355 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars from Ford. It was one hundred and 356 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars forward scholarship. It gave credibility to all 357 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: those results you had because effectively they were just go 358 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: card titles at that time until you make the next step. 359 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: And then when Ford come in and say, hey, congratulations, 360 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: welcome to the Ford family. 361 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: Those moments they were very powerful. 362 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: Because it kind of put all that credibility in And 363 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: then when you do go to people, oh, you've won 364 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: tenn astrain tolls, you won this, you won that. Before that, 365 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: they were just like I said, go cut trophies and titles. 366 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: They didn't have the importance. And then you go to 367 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: Formula Ford and you're trying to create that new path. 368 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: It's not till you move on you realize because you're 369 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 3: so focused on what you're doing, you don't realize if 370 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: you've done something really special or not, because you're going 371 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: weekend to weekend, if that makes sense. But then you 372 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: step out of carding into Formula Foward and it was 373 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: like that was a really cool run in karting, you know, 374 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: very successful and cool run. And that door closed, and 375 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: then bang you're into formal Forward and you're a bit 376 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 3: more fish in a big pond again, and you're trying 377 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: to then go from form more Forward to supercars. So 378 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: you leave behind what you've done, closed that door, and 379 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: you're onto the next one. But those you know, that 380 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: moment to get in a car and have a Ford 381 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: logo on your race suit and have one hundred and 382 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars coming from someone else's bank account to 383 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: support you. That's huge. That was the first time you went, hey, 384 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: far Rut, this is this is getting real now and 385 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: you're getting very close. But you weren't quite there, so 386 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: you couldn't let off. You weren't quite there, but getting 387 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: very close, so wet in the appetite, which was was 388 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: a really cool moment. 389 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: How does that moment change your life? And I love 390 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: what you said about, you know, being part of a community, 391 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: being part of a family, being part of a team, 392 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, just wearing you know, their logo with pride 393 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: and looking down and thinking I've earned this. I'm now 394 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: part of it. But it's harder to keep than to earn, 395 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: isn't it. How does your life change from that moment? 396 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: And did you notice it instantly? I was very lucky 397 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: because the team I went to were very, very good. 398 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: So I went to a former Ford team run by 399 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: a man named Mike Borland and very softly spoken person, 400 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: and he had a team manager called Paul's Diddy, very supportive. 401 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: They they took me under their wing and It was 402 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: the first time you go out of racing with the family, 403 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: because normally you race, go cards with your mum and 404 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: dad and you lose, they go home. 405 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: They love you. You win, they go home, they love you. 406 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: They don't put pressure on you. They they love you 407 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 3: as the you know, as a son you are. But 408 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 3: when you go to a race team, you're dealing with personalities. 409 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: You're dealing with you know, different people. It's a proper business. 410 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 3: You've got two mechanics on your car, you've got data engineers. 411 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: So they took me under their wing and really groomed 412 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 3: me on how to work with a team and take 413 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 3: you to that next step, work with sponsors, portray yourself 414 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: so you don't do the wrong thing in front of 415 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: a camera. I was a very lucky you know, with 416 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: the transition. I had add the right people around me. 417 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: How cut throat mark is the industry, you know, we 418 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: we hear of especially nowadays. You know, like you said, 419 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: it's a business. You know they want to they want 420 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: to be seen succeeding and bringing in sponsors and revenue. 421 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: That's all free winning, right. 422 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: You always feel the pressure, but you're always focused as well. 423 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 3: Like for me, if you if you prep well. You Yeah, 424 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: I kind of never felt like there'd be an issue. 425 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: You know, if you're if you're always ready for any situation, 426 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: then you should be fine. 427 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: You know. 428 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: It's when you get lazy or you're not putting in 429 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, you start to feel a bit vulnerable. 430 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: But I've always worked hard, trained hard, and tried to 431 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: build the people around you to support you. And even 432 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: in those tough days, you need someone to dig you 433 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 3: out because they're not always rosy. 434 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: You know. 435 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: People see they see the good results, but motorsport's full 436 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: of good days. 437 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: Fue and far between. There's more hard days and good days. 438 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, I always did it because I loved it too, 439 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: you know, I rocked up to the track, I couldn't 440 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: wait to put my helmet on. I drove the car 441 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: with a smile like I always loved what I did, 442 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: and there was always a good feeling. I hop in 443 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: and it gave me that buzz that I couldn't get 444 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 3: anywhere else. You know, it was just helmet on, six 445 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty horse power barrel, had a pit lane, 446 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: do a little rev, the fuel gets in the veins 447 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: and you just it's an absolute blast. So yeah, there's pressure, 448 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 3: but at the same time there's so many people want 449 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 3: to do that job. 450 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: You had to enjoy it and realize that privilege, you know. 451 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: And I've always taken that approach, and you know, I 452 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: survived for twenty one years. 453 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: I did something right in the sport. But it was 454 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: always hungry, passionate and good to people too, you know. 455 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: Like I think, on those bad days, when you're a 456 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: good person and you treat people well, they get around you. 457 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: If you're arrogant, and on those bad days people turn 458 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: and you're pretty quick. 459 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: So I've always had good support, good. 460 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: People around them, treated people well, and like I said, 461 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: I've always loved it. 462 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: So but now I miss it. 463 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: I missed a lot, but twenty one years in the 464 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: sport is something I'm really proud of because it is 465 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: tough to survive one year, let alone twenty one. 466 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: When did your first big win come? With Ford? 467 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: So I joined Stone Brothers Racing in the Development Series, 468 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 3: which is like the reserve grade of football or the 469 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: second tier. And I was meant to do two years 470 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: and I won my first race, my first of a 471 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: race I did, I won, and then I won my 472 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: third race and won four So I had had a 473 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: very good start, but when it became real, like I 474 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: was driving around in I think I was in the 475 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: Hondai Excel for a little bit, and I won the 476 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: first couple of races. And on the Monday, this truck 477 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: pulls up when a brand new Ford Falcon rolls off. 478 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: For rolls off the truck and in my. 479 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: Driveway, and I remember Howard Marsden saying something along the 480 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: lines of Dann, we need to look after you and 481 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: enjoy your new four Falcon road cast. 482 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: So it was all starting to become real. 483 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: You were driving a forward on the road, you were 484 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: wearing a Ford badge, you were on racetracks getting results. 485 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: It was a yeah, it all started pretty early. 486 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: But then I went from that team that was very 487 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: good into the main series to a team that was underperforming. 488 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 3: And that was when I'm like, I've made it. I'm here, 489 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: I've just won a championship. 490 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm young guy. 491 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: I'm coming through to two of the toughest years of 492 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: my life where I had to salvage my career again 493 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 3: and kind of get the belief backing people that I 494 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: can still do the job. And the right equipment. So 495 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: as a roller coast, So the whole career. You win 496 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: on day one doesn't mean you win all the time. 497 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: Then it gets tough, then it gets good, then it 498 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: gets tough, then it's it's a it's a tough journey. 499 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 3: But I was lucky I went straight away and that 500 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: that first year gave me the credibility that survived the 501 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: two tough years after that. 502 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, it taught me through those two tough years 503 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: because you know, you're you're at the top of your 504 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: game of everything you do. You're almost you know, not 505 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: finding it too easy, but you're loving it. You know 506 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: you're you're you're winning. And are you starting to to question, 507 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: to doubt yourself? What do those two seasons look like? 508 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: Just just run me through that. 509 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never doubted myself, But they were two of 510 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: the toughest years because I won the Development Series and 511 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: you're in demand and teams are like far at this 512 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: young globe, we've got to get on him. And but 513 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 3: the team I was that had two very successful drivers 514 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: already that Marcus Ambrose and Russell Ingle who were the 515 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: winning championships, so they weren't going anywhere, so you had 516 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: to find another option and go somewhere else and I 517 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 3: went to lark And Motorsport, who was Mark Larkin was retiring, 518 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: so I took his position and but it was tough, 519 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: and week in week out you get beat up, and 520 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: it's just motorsport's a confident game, like a confidence game, and. 521 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: Every day you get beat up. 522 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: You always think, well, next race will be better, and 523 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: then it's not, and the next race will be better 524 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: and it's not, And before you know it, you're twelve 525 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: months down and you're reviewing contracts. You you see your 526 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: team talking to other drivers in pitt Lane. 527 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: And that's what I mean, Mark. Those are the things 528 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: where they tell you it's all good, you know, But 529 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: then you then you're starting to play tricks on your 530 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: own mind, going wise, you over there, why are they 531 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: talking to this person? 532 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: Yes, it's stuff and it's and normally if there's a rumor, 533 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: there's some truth as well. In our sport. I've went 534 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: very quickly, but you just got to try and have 535 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: self belief. And even in my second I was looking 536 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 3: pretty average, like I was in a bit of trouble, 537 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: and I went out and got an engineer myself as 538 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: a last desperate you know, flag up helped me. 539 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: Please. I'm in a lot of trouble. 540 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: And I had a guy named Greg Wheeler, South African guy. 541 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: He was he saved my career. One bloke said, my career, and. 542 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: You went out and found this guy, right, you are 543 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: routine for help, rang for help, Yeah, reng for help 544 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: and said to a friend who said, can you find 545 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: me someone? 546 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: I need help? And they said ring Greg Wheeler. He 547 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: was living on the Sunshine Coast, just come out of 548 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: F one and he was a very very clever guy. 549 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 3: And the first day I drove with him engineering my car. 550 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: I qualified third and what he did was made the 551 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: car fast. But he gave me confidence because when I 552 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 3: gave my feedback, he gave me changes and belief. So 553 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: you start on the chest, comes out a bit, you 554 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: start driving a bit better. 555 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: And so I was done. I had no contract. I 556 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: was done. 557 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: End of the year teams, weren't you know? It was 558 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: a risk to take you because you had two tough years? 559 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: Qualified third, finish well, qualified fifth, I think, finished well, 560 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: qualifying the top ten, finish well. And then the phone 561 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: started ringing again. So I knew that with the right 562 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: equipment I could do it. But I just had to 563 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: prove it because again you're out and you're just another 564 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: guy sitting on the sidelines with potential, I guess you 565 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: call it. So he saved me and those two years, 566 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 3: although they were tough, they made me appreciate how tough 567 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: that sport was too, and I think, again, tough times, 568 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: you got to turn him into positives and learn from it. 569 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: And I went to a better team after that, which 570 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: was the Ford Factory team at Tickford Racing and got 571 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: a podium on the first first round with them, So 572 00:27:52,440 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 3: it was appreciation, not again obvious is easy. 573 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: Let's talk about bath first. How big is that event? 574 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: And you know, as a super supercar driver, it's well 575 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: for a lot of you and it might correct me 576 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: from wrong. But is that always in the back of 577 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: your head? Is there is ever a moment you think 578 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: to yourself, what I'm going to get out there and 579 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: win it? 580 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: I think that every year and then reality, reality keeps 581 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: in on that one. But you know, that's that's where 582 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: I was. Forward is great because you can be having 583 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: a really tough year, but then you go to Bathurst 584 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: and if you have the right car and the right 585 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: engineer and the and that's your day. You can win 586 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 3: the biggest race of the year, even though you've had 587 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: the worst season of your life. But it's it's an 588 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: unbelievable feeling when you do win that race. It's it's 589 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: an unbelievable feeling because it's not over to the last lap. 590 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: You know, I've had moments. 591 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: Two thousand and seven, I led that race for one 592 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: hundred and lapse, well we we let it for one 593 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: hundred and forty eight, dominated all day, had a twenty 594 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: five second lead, and then with fourteen laps to go, 595 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: safety car come out, which was fine, still leading the race. 596 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: Then the rain opened up, Heaven's opened up, and us 597 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: get it off the chase, leading the race with thirteen 598 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 3: laps to go. So it's a race that plays with 599 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: your emotions badly. It's something you love so much and 600 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: every year you drive away normally with a hard luck story. 601 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: You can't wait twelve months to drive back in there 602 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: and tackle the beast again. But it's such a cruel place. 603 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: But that's why we love it because it's challenging. People 604 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: tune in on Sunday, they get the beers out and 605 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: load up and watch Sunday race, but it starts Monday. 606 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: We do. 607 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 3: All our corporate appearances, all our commercial appearances, a lot 608 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: of media building up to that event. 609 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: Wednesday would do a track walk where you physically walk 610 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: the t track. 611 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: You're looking at things like signs on the side of 612 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: the track, break markers, bumps, watch change curbs, whatever, sort 613 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: of taking it all in and that builds the I 614 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: know you're adrenaline. So Thursday we hit the track in 615 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 3: the car. We do three practice sessions. Friday we do 616 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: practice sessions, then we qualify. Then Saturday we do a 617 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: top ten shootout, which is the lap of glory that 618 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: you own the track to yourself if you make the 619 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: top ten. And then you go to bed Saturday night 620 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: and you're half spent from the week that's been to 621 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: then wake up at five am Sunday morning to get 622 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: yourself ready for battle. But Sunday's payday, so you've got 623 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: to control yourself for that week to make sure you're 624 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: not burnt out. 625 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: You getting me excited, mate, getting ready for battle one 626 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: like that, because it is I've been there. It's literally 627 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: it's such a phenomenal race. 628 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's battle in the morning. You have this huddle. 629 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: It's the only track we do it but it's everyone. 630 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: You can feel the what it means to everyone because 631 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 3: everyone's on edge there jutary, they're gonna that's taller a 632 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: lot more than they do. 633 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: There's they're just nerve. You can feel the nerves and 634 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: what that race means. 635 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: And there's always this huddle at the start of the 636 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: race that our team's doing there right right, Oh, this 637 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: is a game plan. 638 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: We're doing this. We're doing that. It's very direct, and 639 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: it's it's the only. 640 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: Place we do it, and it's very I don't know, 641 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: it's like it's like you're getting ready for battle and 642 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: we just have this huddle like rodo. This is our team, 643 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: boys and girls, this is us and we're better than 644 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 3: everyone else, and arms around each other and let's support 645 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: each other and if we do a good job, we 646 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: can win this day. 647 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: And that's that's how the day starts. And then you 648 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: roll around to the grid and then Jimmy Barnes is 649 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: singing a national anthem or you're coming in with a 650 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: trophy and the fighter jets coming over. 651 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 3: And you know, anthems sung and crowd standing, and then 652 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: there's the silence often you know, a bit of silence 653 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: and eerie silence feeling, and then you start that engine 654 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: and you know there's eight hours of pain that's going 655 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: to come ahead, and it's it's an unbelievable feeling, like 656 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: tense physically. It's funny if people say bathists you must 657 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: be physically spent, but it's emotional and mental like Sunday night. 658 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: The headache you have is. 659 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: Painful, but the physical you could turn up again and 660 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: race physically the next day. But mentally that week and 661 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: the emotion and at beat who up, Like that's where 662 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: I think. Mentally you've got to be very tough to win. 663 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: Bathurst, more so than physically. 664 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: Yea, take us back to twenty thirteen, then, mate, come on, 665 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: take us back to when you when you lifted the 666 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: Peterbrock Trophy. 667 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: It was the day you laugh, you know, but it 668 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: was it was a good week. Like we had a 669 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: pretty strong week. I qualified, second car, was fast. I 670 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: had Stephen Richards as my teammate, who was the same 671 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: teammate I let down in two thousand and seven. I 672 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: put my hand up that you know, he did everything 673 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: right right to win that race and I was the 674 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 3: one that went off. So I felt same team, same 675 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: co driver. This was our day, but you're not going 676 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: to make that same mistake twice, so we're in a 677 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 3: good position. We were trucking along pretty well all day. 678 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 3: We're all first or second, third in the mix all day, 679 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: and with sixty eight laps to go, sixty six laps 680 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: to go, whatever it was, we took the lead of 681 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: the race and rich O who was my teammate Steve 682 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: Richards brought the car in and I had three cents 683 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: to go to the end, and it was a it 684 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: was a dog fight between us and Triple eight Jamie Winkup, 685 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: who was the arch enemy really, to be honest. 686 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: The team and they were our they were our rivals. 687 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: And they're the enemy because they're just bloody good, like 688 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: that's why we we wanted to beat them, but were 689 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: covered by a second and a half of the last 690 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: sixty six laps, Like it was just no mistakes, one mistake, 691 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: we were cooked. 692 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: We were done. 693 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: And in the revision mirror, his car was there for 694 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: sixty six laps and he'd pit in the pits. We'd 695 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 3: picked to follow, so he'd pit, we'd pit, like it 696 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: was just we'd just be replicating each other and mirroring 697 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: each other to make sure, we've maintained track positions, so 698 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 3: pit crew had to do a good stop. If we 699 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: lost the second in the pits, we were done. If 700 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 3: you overshot pit entry, we were done. If you you 701 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 3: just everything meant had to be perfect because if we 702 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 3: weren't perfection, we were going to get done that day. 703 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 3: And again comes down to the last lap. All that 704 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 3: stuff happens where we've done well, we're still leading the race, 705 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: and the last lap is right on the bumper. And 706 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 3: I had a plan that if I went on the inside, 707 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: I could run in wide at two it's off camber 708 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: lap one sixty one, lots of marbles. 709 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 2: That was the plan. So he took it. 710 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 3: He took the bait, which was which was really cool, 711 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: but he almost made the move stick which I was 712 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 3: thinking getting the decision at that moment, but thankfully went wide, 713 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: hit the off canber, got on the marbles and went 714 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: wide and from there we had five to ten car 715 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 3: length lead and soaked it all up, like went across 716 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 3: the mountain, no threat, looking at all the blue flags waving, 717 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 3: looking at the red holding flags, loading their trailers going home. 718 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: It was a very very cool moment to just feel 719 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 3: the I know the energy. You can't hear them, but 720 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 3: you can see it, you can feel it, and that 721 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: in lap It's a moment I'll never forget. It's just 722 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 3: even the radio coms with the team, you know, you 723 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 3: could hear it in their voice. 724 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: They were crackly like grown men. 725 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 3: Who they're just like, they don't cuddle, they're not affectionate, 726 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 3: they're not like they were just these these tough racing 727 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: crying when you're coming in. Like just the emotion and 728 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 3: the sound of their voice and what it meant. It's 729 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: a moment I'll never forget. Just that feeling of the 730 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 3: team and the I don't know, just completing something that 731 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 3: had been taken away from you before and doing it 732 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: with the people that I felt like i'd let down, 733 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 3: you know, seven and just fighting for it. We went 734 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: handed it, we had to fight, and that made it 735 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 3: even more special. And then drawing into pit lane and 736 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: just people running in and my wife and my two 737 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 3: little boys and just you know, everyone around you just crying, 738 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: emotional hugging and cheering and jumping, and it's it's it's 739 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: why we do it, you know, Like it's e race 740 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: and results are called, but they mean so much more 741 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: when you're sharing with people and that's a true moment 742 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 3: of that. And thirty thousand Forward fans running in and 743 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: cheering and channing, and like I said, the Holden fans 744 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: driving out, I can see there's Commodore's driving out. 745 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: It was like just the moment I'll never. 746 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: Forget and feeling achievement and doing it first time for 747 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: the team, first time for me, and redemption. 748 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: It was it was a big moment. 749 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: And why is BAFA so so big? Why do you 750 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: think it holds such such grandeur, such such a position 751 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: for for Aussies. 752 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: It's a demanding track that punishes mistakes. Like when people 753 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 3: watch that track and watch that race, you know that 754 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 3: the drivers are working hard to get the results. So 755 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 3: I think people like to see sportsman's pushed past their limit, 756 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 3: and Bathurst does that. But the other thing as well 757 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 3: is it's a whole day event, so everyone's got a story. 758 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 3: You know, they sat there with their mum and dad 759 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: TV on and Sunday was bath Thursday, and you grow up. 760 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 3: And for me, you know, my family went for Holden, 761 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: so I went for Forward because I went against them, 762 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 3: So I was like, now I'm. 763 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: Going for Forward today. 764 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 3: No, I'm going for it was that family event that 765 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 3: you did every year and then when I grow up, 766 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 3: my kids go, what are we doing today? We're watching Bathists. 767 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 3: It's just that legacy in that history of those moments 768 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: that you spent with people watching that race and it's 769 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 3: a huge day. It's like it's like the modern cup 770 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 3: of of motus board and mates had barbecues, families sit 771 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 3: around together. 772 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 2: It's just an. 773 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: Ozzy thing, isn't it like Blue v Red, Mate v Mate, 774 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 3: ride on the line, all that sort of stuff and 775 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 3: pushing people past their limits and it's a story. Yeah, 776 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 3: it's like like a soap by a bit of a 777 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 3: soapie show with a bit of motors board and everything. 778 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 3: There's drama, there's everything. So all those things together make 779 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 3: it a special event. 780 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: And talking about drama, mate listening, I'm pushing on a 781 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: few years after that win in twenty thirteen and you 782 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: talk about Holden, you know, went to bottom shocks a 783 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: supercar world. You know what I'm gonna I'm going on 784 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: to now you you switch from Ford to Holden is 785 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: obviously you've had you had a fantastic career with Ford. 786 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: Was it a career move? Was it you know, he 787 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: just wanted to go on to to do something different. 788 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: What what entice that switch? Because that's some switch. 789 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I was looking for a new challenge, to 790 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 3: be honest. I've been at Tickford for thirteen years, and 791 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: at Tickford everything's done for you. 792 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 2: They've got eighty plus staff. 793 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 3: You literally roll in, everything's done your race, and you've 794 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: got a really good car and a really good team. 795 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 3: But you know, I got I got in the ear 796 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 3: of a team owner saying come along, and his communication. 797 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 3: He was ringing me every day, and I felt wanted 798 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 3: and needed and there wasn't any other forward spots on 799 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 3: the grids, so in our forward it's one or the other. 800 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 3: And the opportunity of playing a different role at that 801 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 3: point in my career was I don't know, it's enticing, 802 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, I took took the gig and 803 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 3: I actually tried to get him to go to Mustang 804 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 3: because I wanted to stay Ford, so I wasn't about 805 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 3: going to Hold and it was about joining a different team. 806 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 3: But he was already set up so he couldn't go 807 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 3: to Ford, so kind of got yeah in the Holding. 808 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 2: But it's funny, you know. 809 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 3: People still we're really respectful and okay with it. 810 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 2: But it wasn't until I got to Bathurst. 811 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 3: You do the parade like one Sunday morning, and there 812 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 3: was Forward fans giving me the middle finger and Holden 813 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 3: fans yeah, and Holden. 814 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 2: Fans saying we don't want him anyway. 815 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: So I was feeling very unloved at Bathurst the first year, 816 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 3: But now it was just an opportunity that you know, 817 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 3: I was building a team around us, and I took 818 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: a team from last on the grid to top ten, 819 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 3: and you try and build off every moment and got 820 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 3: that team forward and build it into a strong team 821 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 3: with the skills we had, and yeah, when they have success, 822 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: hopefully it's something that I've contributed to him. 823 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 2: And moving forward, what's. 824 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: Your most memorable moment from your supercar career that really 825 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: sticks out in your head? And it might not be 826 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: something that's visually obviously obvious to your fans and your 827 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: your followers, but there is there a moment that really 828 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: stands out for you that maybe we don't know about. 829 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 3: Everyone looks at achievements, don't they like your successes. But 830 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 3: the first lap of Bathurst and the supercar for me, 831 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 3: driving out of the pits and turning left out of 832 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 3: pit lane and first the second gear and just giving 833 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 3: it a bit of stick up the hill and just 834 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 3: looking at the mountain ahead of me. 835 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 2: That's the moment I'll never forget. 836 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 3: Driving a supercar at Bathurst was achievement, like that was 837 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 3: what I'd said out as a young kid to do. 838 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 2: But that moment, like you can't describe what it means, 839 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 2: you know, the the sound of a V eight engine 840 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 2: and the crowd at Mount Panorama and then going over 841 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 2: skyline where it where it dips away, feels like you're 842 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: a movie world. It just drops away and down through 843 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 2: the dipper and you're just holding on. 844 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 3: I remember not blinking and my hands I was cramping 845 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 3: that first lap from just holding that steering wheel like 846 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 3: so tight. So that's the moment I'll never forget. That 847 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 3: was a pretty special moment. And like I said, I 848 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 3: was so slow. It wasn't special because I was doing 849 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 3: a good job. It was special because of the of 850 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 3: the occasion, of where you were and what it meant. 851 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 1: We've heard, you know, the success side, the glamorous side, 852 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: But how much of a toll does it take? And 853 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: how much of a toll did it take you on. 854 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 2: You Uh, it's it's tough. It's a tough sport. 855 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 3: People don't see I guess you know, they see race 856 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 3: weekends as well, but they don't see away so give 857 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 3: because the cars are so expensive to run and you're 858 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 3: one driver. You represent all those sponsors commercially, so you know, 859 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 3: a normal week back at Tickford and this was some 860 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 3: of the reason why I look for a new challenge 861 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 3: for a work life balance too. But we were doing 862 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 3: three or four days a week at airports, flying places 863 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 3: to represent brands. So at that time, I had a 864 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 3: a two year old son, I had a newborn I 865 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 3: had I was missing all those first moments. Renee was 866 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: here back at home, you know, taking the run of 867 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 3: it all. But you're on a mission like to race it. 868 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 3: That's all the part of it, you know, it's all 869 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 3: the bit that builds it. Then you get to race 870 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 3: weekends and you've got to perform. And then if you 871 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 3: do perform, you're at those airports telling people how good 872 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 3: that weekend was. If you don't perform, you're trying to 873 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 3: have a story, not to make yourself look better or 874 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 3: feel better. But you you don't have excuses. But sometimes 875 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 3: you go to appearances and you're explaining what went wrong, 876 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 3: and you always got the team's best imagate mind, and 877 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 3: it was its tough. 878 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 2: Like you, you've got to always talk about the sport 879 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 2: and represent it. 880 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 3: Good day or bad day, you've got to talk about it. 881 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 3: And then throw in social media. In about two thousand 882 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 3: ends whatever that was seven or whatever, Facebook come along. 883 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 3: People wouldn't say the stuff to your face that they 884 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 3: say our social media, so that all that stuff takes 885 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 3: a toll, and then good days is easy easy at 886 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 3: the track. Bad days is you know, got to answer media, 887 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 3: you got to answer fans, you've got to answer sponsors, 888 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 3: you've got to go to the team. So yeah, it's tough. 889 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 3: But at the same time I always went home and 890 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 3: just thought, how Lucky wants to drive the cars. And 891 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 3: if you have that mindset, all the other stuff you 892 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 3: can sort of keep clear of your mind, can't you, 893 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 3: Because end of the day, people are jealous you're doing 894 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 3: something that they want to do. It's you're looking at 895 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 3: it at the the positives. But it does take a 896 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 3: toll mentally and physically a little bit, but more mentally. 897 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: Mate, You've had a phenomenal career and you've will and 898 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: truly embedded your legacy into the supercar world. And our 899 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: final question for you, and I'm going to put you 900 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: on the spot here self belief. You mentioned self belief. 901 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: How important is it to believe in yourself? And how 902 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: do you ascertain self belief? 903 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 3: You've got to trust in your own abilities, don't you 904 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 3: think and block out noise? You know, I think more 905 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 3: people will tell you in life that you can't do this. 906 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 3: But for me, I've always known I can do stuff 907 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 3: and I'll find a way. I'll always find a way, 908 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 3: and I'll always have that belief in myself that if 909 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 3: someone says no, I'll find someone who says yes. That 910 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 3: there's always someone out there, so you know, and surround 911 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 3: yourself with good people as well. You've got to be 912 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,800 Speaker 3: around a good network of people and they'll bring the 913 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 3: best out of you. And there's a lot of people 914 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 3: who jump on board on the journey when it's going well, 915 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 3: and they jump off that ship very quickly, the good ones. 916 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 3: And I've only got a handful of people I really 917 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 3: call good close friends. They have your back week in 918 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 3: week out when lose or draw, and they know when 919 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 3: you're down, they pick you up and they know when 920 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 3: you're up and they ride the journey. So for me, 921 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 3: I'll always have that network of people. I have good 922 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 3: family and I've got a pretty strong mind. So all 923 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 3: those things together kind of complete the package, you know, 924 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 3: for me. That's what's worked well for me over my career. 925 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: Amazing mate, what is next for you? Mark? 926 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 3: So we've actually got I get back in the seat 927 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 3: and get to drive and get to play around with 928 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 3: all the supercar drivers again, and I'll race at Taylor 929 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 3: Bend at the Enduros with Cam Warders in the Monster 930 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 3: Energy Car and then I'm off to Bathurst. 931 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 2: So I've got that. 932 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 3: We've got my book coming out, which I'm really proud 933 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 3: of as well, because i haven't said a lot of 934 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 3: things in my life. I kept it bottled up and 935 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 3: it was a nice bit of therapy that book too, 936 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 3: to write not all the rosy stuff about life, but 937 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 3: who I am now and why I'm who I am 938 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 3: because all those stories I've kind of gone into in 939 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,479 Speaker 3: a bit more depth as well. And got that coming 940 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 3: out that I've got three kids that I've got to 941 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 3: play with and give my time to as well, and yeah, 942 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 3: a bit of home life stuff. 943 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, good, good time in my life. I'm enjoying the. 944 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: Book quickly before we finish up the book, what does 945 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: it go into? Obviously, you know we see the external stuff, 946 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: we see the external external success. Do you go quite 947 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: deep into into what it takes to not only succeed, 948 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: but to do and to do what you love doing 949 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: and to keep at it because you know, when I 950 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: look at your career, you've stuck at it, mate, through 951 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: the Highs and the Lows family team. And I suppose 952 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: that resilience that's been that was embedded into from such 953 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: a young age. I suppose you brought that through every 954 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 1: aspect of your life, haven't you. Yeah? 955 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 3: I have. And like I said, like with trauma or 956 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 3: with whatever you call it, you know, hard upbringings and 957 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 3: hard luck, hard situations. I've always used that as positives 958 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 3: in my life. And you know, Mum went on she 959 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,399 Speaker 3: was diagnosed with cancer at thirty eight and she died 960 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 3: at sixty three. She passed away at sixty three, So 961 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 3: that's the determined to me, sort of showed me what 962 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 3: a resilient fighter was because she was meant to pass 963 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 3: away when she was forty, so she's she gave there's 964 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 3: another twenty three years of her life and I watched 965 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 3: her fight. 966 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 2: So I've used that that toughness throughout my whole life. 967 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 3: And yeah, in the book, I try to show my 968 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 3: resilience and the tough stories because there's lots of people 969 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 3: going through tough stuff out there, and I hope that 970 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 3: when they're reading my book they can relate and know 971 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 3: that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. 972 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 3: Even though you have tough, tough stories and tough moments, 973 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 3: you've got to use them as positives and try and 974 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 3: turn your life into good you know. 975 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 2: So hopefully the book does that. 976 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: Mate. You've certainly proven that resilience is key here and Mate, 977 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: it's far from over for you. Good luck with Bafers, 978 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: Good luck with the rest of your career, mate, and 979 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: who knows, I might see you down there. 980 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 2: Cheers, Mark good Thank you, mate, you're a good man. 981 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 982 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,839 Speaker 1: Mark Winterbottom's autobiography Frosty is available now. I'll put more 983 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: details in the show notes. Thanks for joining me on 984 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: this episode of head Game. If you enjoyed this episode, 985 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: please share it with a friend. I'm Aunt Middleton. Catch 986 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: you again next time.