1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:12,401 Speaker 1: Appoche production. Welcome back to our Little Leady. It's been 2 00:00:12,401 --> 00:00:15,041 Speaker 1: a while since you last heard from me. I can 3 00:00:15,081 --> 00:00:17,241 Speaker 1: tell you that Jason and Amanda are doing well. The 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,681 Speaker 1: house has almost finished and they're about to move in. 5 00:00:20,921 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: The bill for Eden has also gone through on the 6 00:00:23,361 --> 00:00:26,201 Speaker 1: twenty fourth of September, and now they await the coronial 7 00:00:26,241 --> 00:00:30,241 Speaker 1: files that they've waited for so long for. There's also 8 00:00:30,321 --> 00:00:33,721 Speaker 1: something else that's big and has been brewing in the background, 9 00:00:34,441 --> 00:00:37,161 Speaker 1: something that I've shared with Jason and Amanda and the 10 00:00:37,241 --> 00:00:40,601 Speaker 1: team behind their fight for justice, and it revolves around 11 00:00:40,641 --> 00:00:43,361 Speaker 1: something that we've been talking about for three years in 12 00:00:43,441 --> 00:00:48,361 Speaker 1: our Little Leedy. It's about the pedophile cop Paul Reynolds. 13 00:00:48,881 --> 00:00:51,801 Speaker 1: Now he was connected with Eden's case through his time 14 00:00:51,881 --> 00:00:55,721 Speaker 1: in the Coroner's Court. Karen has said he provided oversight. 15 00:00:56,281 --> 00:01:00,161 Speaker 2: Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds of the Lonceeston Coroner's Office also 16 00:01:00,241 --> 00:01:04,601 Speaker 2: provided regular oversight and direction during the investigation period. At 17 00:01:04,641 --> 00:01:08,881 Speaker 2: my record, I am satisfied that I have received all 18 00:01:08,921 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: available evidence that could reasonably assist me to determine the 19 00:01:12,881 --> 00:01:15,761 Speaker 2: matters set out in Section twenty eight one of the 20 00:01:15,801 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: Coroner's Act nineteen ninety five. 21 00:01:18,881 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Since we launched, Ali LEDI, something's never really sat right 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,761 Speaker 1: for me about Reynolds. Even after a coronial inquest and 23 00:01:27,801 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: the Weis's Commission into his life and. 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,321 Speaker 3: Death, Tasmania's Commission of Inquiry said it appeared Tasmania Police 25 00:01:34,441 --> 00:01:38,161 Speaker 3: was aware ten years earlier of credible allegations that Reynolds 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: had abused to children. 27 00:01:39,801 --> 00:01:44,121 Speaker 1: There to me was still more questions than answers. So 28 00:01:44,801 --> 00:01:48,201 Speaker 1: in the background. Over the last three years, we've kept 29 00:01:48,241 --> 00:01:51,561 Speaker 1: our lines of inquiry open on Reynolds, and we've also 30 00:01:51,681 --> 00:01:57,201 Speaker 1: kept those close to us across what we'd found. The 31 00:01:57,281 --> 00:02:00,681 Speaker 1: reason I'm telling you this now is because we're about 32 00:02:00,721 --> 00:02:04,561 Speaker 1: to launch a new podcast. It's called Badge of Betrayal 33 00:02:05,121 --> 00:02:13,361 Speaker 1: and its centers around Reynolds. Paul James Reynolds, or Bow, 34 00:02:13,761 --> 00:02:16,441 Speaker 1: as he was known to his colleagues, was a senior 35 00:02:16,481 --> 00:02:21,201 Speaker 1: sergeant in the Tasmanian Police Force Badge number fourteen sixty six. 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,601 Speaker 1: That was until the thirteenth of September twenty eighteen, when 37 00:02:28,601 --> 00:02:31,001 Speaker 1: he went next door to a neighbor and asked to 38 00:02:31,001 --> 00:02:34,041 Speaker 1: borrow a rifle to put a sick dog down for 39 00:02:34,121 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: a mate. He used that rifle to take his own 40 00:02:38,281 --> 00:02:47,041 Speaker 1: life the day before, Reynolds was at an AFL Tasmania 41 00:02:47,121 --> 00:02:49,481 Speaker 1: meeting in Hobart. He was pretty high up in the 42 00:02:49,561 --> 00:02:52,521 Speaker 1: junior AFL and tazzy. He got home late in the 43 00:02:52,561 --> 00:02:55,361 Speaker 1: afternoon and went to dinner with his wife to celebrate 44 00:02:55,401 --> 00:02:59,401 Speaker 1: their wedding anniversary. They got home to their house in Westbury, 45 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,441 Speaker 1: which is about fifteen minutes away from Lonceston. Reynolds went 46 00:03:03,481 --> 00:03:09,161 Speaker 1: to bed at about thirty pm. Soon after four police 47 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:18,161 Speaker 1: knock on his door. They're from Tasmania's Police Professional Standards 48 00:03:18,921 --> 00:03:23,401 Speaker 1: consider them like internal affairs. They have a warrant to 49 00:03:23,441 --> 00:03:28,481 Speaker 1: search his house and seize his devices, phones and USBs. 50 00:03:29,641 --> 00:03:34,721 Speaker 1: The accusation is that Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds is a pedophile. 51 00:03:46,041 --> 00:03:49,241 Speaker 1: It's launching on Monday, November twenty four and it's available 52 00:03:49,241 --> 00:03:52,081 Speaker 1: to follow now on your favorite podcast app. Right now, 53 00:03:52,121 --> 00:03:54,281 Speaker 1: you'll only hear the trailer, but in the next few 54 00:03:54,281 --> 00:03:56,841 Speaker 1: weeks you'll be able to follow along each week as 55 00:03:57,001 --> 00:04:03,441 Speaker 1: episodes drop. We've had some pretty heavy conversations, including one 56 00:04:03,481 --> 00:04:07,641 Speaker 1: with a current serving police officer in the Tasmanian Police Force. 57 00:04:09,361 --> 00:04:12,841 Speaker 3: I've been a lifelong or a career police officer twenty 58 00:04:12,921 --> 00:04:18,081 Speaker 3: years plus experience a very broad experience across you know 59 00:04:18,321 --> 00:04:22,201 Speaker 3: a wide range of areas and within the state, and 60 00:04:22,241 --> 00:04:24,921 Speaker 3: also you know jobs and roles within the police. 61 00:04:25,161 --> 00:04:28,721 Speaker 1: And you're still a serving police officer. Yes, this conversation 62 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,921 Speaker 1: happened in secret. I've just had the contact from by 63 00:04:34,081 --> 00:04:37,481 Speaker 1: signal and it means that I'm going to drive to 64 00:04:37,481 --> 00:04:43,281 Speaker 1: see this person that my contact's given me. I've got 65 00:04:43,281 --> 00:04:47,041 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of questions written, which I've done a 66 00:04:47,041 --> 00:04:48,921 Speaker 1: couple of weeks back in the hope that we'd get 67 00:04:48,921 --> 00:04:52,601 Speaker 1: this interview, and we've forgot it. So a little nervous 68 00:04:52,601 --> 00:04:55,241 Speaker 1: about this one, if I'm honest, I don't generally get it. 69 00:04:55,361 --> 00:04:58,401 Speaker 1: Nervous about it too, is that this one feels like 70 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,801 Speaker 1: it's going to be big. He's afraid of the repercussions. 71 00:05:03,841 --> 00:05:05,841 Speaker 1: And to be honest, so we. 72 00:05:06,241 --> 00:05:10,721 Speaker 3: As a general rule, please don't like policing organizations don't 73 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: like bad publicity. They don't like people breaking ranks, so 74 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,641 Speaker 3: to speak, and it can be very limiting if you 75 00:05:19,681 --> 00:05:24,681 Speaker 3: are either believed or found to be breaking ranks and talking, 76 00:05:24,761 --> 00:05:26,241 Speaker 3: you know, against the organization. 77 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:31,961 Speaker 1: He'll go on to describe suppressed complaints, internal warnings ignored, 78 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,841 Speaker 1: and a culture design to protect its own. 79 00:05:35,561 --> 00:05:38,521 Speaker 3: It's a pretty lonely place in what is already a 80 00:05:38,601 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: very difficult job. 81 00:05:39,561 --> 00:05:43,241 Speaker 1: Do you have knowledge of widespread corruption within an Tatsmomia pleasfuls. 82 00:05:44,001 --> 00:05:47,001 Speaker 1: We've even had to change his voice and his name 83 00:05:47,361 --> 00:05:50,121 Speaker 1: to protect us all. First up, I just want to 84 00:05:50,121 --> 00:05:53,321 Speaker 1: make sure we're obviously not using your real name and 85 00:05:53,401 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: we're not using your audio. We're going to be using 86 00:05:55,841 --> 00:05:57,841 Speaker 1: a voice actor to play your part. You're happy with that. 87 00:05:58,161 --> 00:06:00,921 Speaker 1: On the new show, we had a friend of Reynolds 88 00:06:01,001 --> 00:06:01,641 Speaker 1: come forward. 89 00:06:02,481 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: You would invite me to a rye long complete car, 90 00:06:05,081 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: had no idea that he was at monitor. 91 00:06:07,201 --> 00:06:10,921 Speaker 1: We also investigate deeply on why Reynolds got a full 92 00:06:10,961 --> 00:06:14,921 Speaker 1: police funeral when most people in a police force knew 93 00:06:15,081 --> 00:06:16,441 Speaker 1: exactly what he was. 94 00:06:17,521 --> 00:06:19,721 Speaker 3: No one has been held accountable, and in fact, the 95 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: Wee's inquiry didn't discover who participated in the discussions whilst 96 00:06:25,161 --> 00:06:27,881 Speaker 3: for giving Reynolds a state funeral as a person they 97 00:06:28,201 --> 00:06:32,041 Speaker 3: knew to be a serial sex offender at that stage, 98 00:06:32,081 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: not one person has been found to be accountable for 99 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: doing that. So in that regard it's been a fail inquiry. 100 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,681 Speaker 3: Don't know what it costs. It didn't take particularly long 101 00:06:42,721 --> 00:06:44,561 Speaker 3: but it wasn't designed to be successful. 102 00:06:46,281 --> 00:06:49,161 Speaker 1: Will give you access to police memos that have never 103 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:49,961 Speaker 1: been uncovered. 104 00:06:50,281 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: Your report notifying this office of Inspector Reynolds's formal counseling 105 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:58,841 Speaker 2: on the seventeenth of February twenty twelve is noted I 106 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,721 Speaker 2: agree with the recommended. 107 00:07:00,161 --> 00:07:03,961 Speaker 1: Course of action. The file notes from Reynolds supposed itself 108 00:07:03,961 --> 00:07:04,681 Speaker 1: to motion. 109 00:07:05,081 --> 00:07:08,001 Speaker 2: Catalyst for the Inspector's request seems to stem from an 110 00:07:08,041 --> 00:07:12,081 Speaker 2: incident the Inspector handled very poorly earlier this month. This 111 00:07:12,161 --> 00:07:14,841 Speaker 2: matter was assigned to Inspector Reynolds to manage on the 112 00:07:14,841 --> 00:07:18,161 Speaker 2: second of August twenty twelve. He did nothing with the 113 00:07:18,201 --> 00:07:21,641 Speaker 2: matter until the twenty first of August twenty twelve, when 114 00:07:21,681 --> 00:07:24,161 Speaker 2: he allocated it to one of his sergeants for follow up. 115 00:07:25,201 --> 00:07:28,721 Speaker 1: A current investigation into more pedophile cops in Tasmania. 116 00:07:29,081 --> 00:07:32,721 Speaker 2: Tasmanian Police is conducting an investigation into former police officer 117 00:07:32,801 --> 00:07:36,241 Speaker 2: Dale Cook, who has been charged with allegedly accessing child 118 00:07:36,321 --> 00:07:38,001 Speaker 2: exploitation material. 119 00:07:38,561 --> 00:07:42,801 Speaker 1: And victim survivors if finally what their voice heard. I'm 120 00:07:42,921 --> 00:07:47,161 Speaker 1: really nervous about coming forward, but it's about time I 121 00:07:47,241 --> 00:07:51,401 Speaker 1: spoke my truth. As each episode drops more breadcrumbs starts 122 00:07:51,401 --> 00:07:55,121 Speaker 1: to appear, asking the question that I think I know 123 00:07:55,201 --> 00:07:59,041 Speaker 1: the answer to. Is this bigger than one bad cop? 124 00:08:00,121 --> 00:08:06,361 Speaker 3: Traffic interceptions or vulnerable people and trade sex. 125 00:08:07,801 --> 00:08:09,201 Speaker 1: It was definitely a lot like us. 126 00:08:10,641 --> 00:08:15,761 Speaker 4: He'd talk about his sex life, he'd make sexually suggestive 127 00:08:15,841 --> 00:08:19,041 Speaker 4: comments at. 128 00:08:18,201 --> 00:08:20,081 Speaker 1: He was at all the games. He was even at 129 00:08:20,081 --> 00:08:22,921 Speaker 1: school football games, which I always thought was strange. There 130 00:08:22,921 --> 00:08:25,161 Speaker 1: were games where he would park his car, all the 131 00:08:25,161 --> 00:08:26,321 Speaker 1: boys would go to his car. 132 00:08:26,521 --> 00:08:29,161 Speaker 2: There is no evidence of him abusing Ashley Youth Detention 133 00:08:29,241 --> 00:08:32,601 Speaker 2: Center detainees, either privately or during the course of his 134 00:08:32,721 --> 00:08:34,161 Speaker 2: duties as a police officer. 135 00:08:35,601 --> 00:08:37,561 Speaker 4: It's hard to say. There was people around the community, 136 00:08:37,561 --> 00:08:39,521 Speaker 4: and even one of the guys in my friendship group 137 00:08:39,841 --> 00:08:42,361 Speaker 4: potentially knew of him because he went to Sampatz College 138 00:08:43,081 --> 00:08:48,321 Speaker 4: said that he was a bit dirty. It's hard to 139 00:08:48,321 --> 00:08:50,161 Speaker 4: take things at face value because obviously I knew him 140 00:08:50,161 --> 00:08:53,561 Speaker 4: as a good person at that time, so I didn't 141 00:08:53,561 --> 00:08:56,041 Speaker 4: really see him in any other life. And obviously people 142 00:08:56,081 --> 00:08:59,681 Speaker 4: don't talk good or bad about a person, and I've 143 00:08:59,761 --> 00:09:02,681 Speaker 4: only got my own experiences, so I didn't really take 144 00:09:02,681 --> 00:09:04,041 Speaker 4: them at face value. By the time. 145 00:09:05,881 --> 00:09:08,561 Speaker 1: If you'd like to be reminded when the first episode drops. 146 00:09:08,601 --> 00:09:10,761 Speaker 1: You can sign up to the wait list in the 147 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:13,801 Speaker 1: episode notes below, or you can follow it on your 148 00:09:13,841 --> 00:09:19,241 Speaker 1: favorite podcast app. Just search Badge of Betrayal.