WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 16 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you so much for watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on into the man Cave's put into play around

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<v Speaker 2>with tonight including the National Party takes a major step

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<v Speaker 2>away from net zero. I look forward to discussing that

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<v Speaker 2>we're two blows to agree on this issue every time

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<v Speaker 2>we bring it up. Nicholas Rees, the Lord Mayor of

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne and the Senator at a big Fanadose Stockman states

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm the wonderful Matt Canevan will be joining us

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<v Speaker 2>from his man cave as I am in mind in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment or two time. And can you believe this

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<v Speaker 2>moment in history today on the sixteenth of June, ten

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<v Speaker 2>years to the day since Donald Trump came down the escalator.

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<v Speaker 2>What a decade it has been. We'll look back at

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<v Speaker 2>the highest, the lows, the good, the bad, the ugly,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that business. And a reminder in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of Sundays time, not this Sunday. Next Sunday, we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in Newcastle. Shout out to all look friends,

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<v Speaker 2>family and viewers of the program.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to fill the joint.

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<v Speaker 2>Ourtown. It's skynews dot com dot AU. Ourtown. It's Sky

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<v Speaker 2>News I use Sunday, the twenty ninth of June. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got some Newcastle Knights legends that are chopping at the

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<v Speaker 2>bid to be on the show. We look forward to that,

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<v Speaker 2>so send us an email our town that's going neews

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<v Speaker 2>dot com dot au. Now, before we start, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this show ProPolice, This show procop and when the news

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<v Speaker 2>came through that at eleven o'clock this morning there was

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<v Speaker 2>a fatal shooting of a police officer in northwest Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 2>It stops us in our boots and let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about what took place today in a place called

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<v Speaker 2>North Mottam. Now, according to the police information that was

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<v Speaker 2>released at the time, police attended a residential property on

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<v Speaker 2>Allison Road in relation to routine duties shortly after eleven am. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what apparently was taking place was that a constable who

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<v Speaker 2>had been in the force for some time, was handing

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<v Speaker 2>a warrant or was given the task of handing a warrant.

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<v Speaker 2>A member of the public then allegedly shot the police

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<v Speaker 2>officers the officer approached the house. Another police officer consequently

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<v Speaker 2>discharged their firearm towards the alleged offender, who then surrendered

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<v Speaker 2>to police. The police officer who was critically injured and

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<v Speaker 2>died at the scene. The alleged defender was not seriously injured.

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<v Speaker 2>The Police Commissioner in Tasmania now the family of the

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<v Speaker 2>officer have asked for him not to him or not

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<v Speaker 2>to be named at this exact moment. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>what we know about the situation. From the head of

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<v Speaker 2>the police force in.

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<v Speaker 3>TASMANI Policing can be risky, but we expect every officer

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<v Speaker 3>to finish their shift and come home to their families.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been a police officer for thirty eight years and

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen an incident like this that's resulted in

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<v Speaker 3>the loss of a life of one of our colleagues

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<v Speaker 3>and friends.

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<v Speaker 2>As for the Police Association, of course, the effectively the

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<v Speaker 2>union of officers in every state, but specifically Tasmania, they

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<v Speaker 2>too offer condolences to the office family. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be some difficult days and weeks and months ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do everything that we can to ensure that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>gets the support that they need. The Queensland Premier, sorry

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<v Speaker 2>the Tasmanian Premier are offered a written statement today. He

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<v Speaker 2>will obviously offer further condolences when more information comes forward,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is with the deepest sadness that Tasmanian police

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<v Speaker 2>officers lost their life in a tragic shooting in the

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<v Speaker 2>Western District. To everyone who had the honor of knowing

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<v Speaker 2>this off officer, the love of an entire state is

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Now. I say this about the show being

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<v Speaker 2>pro cop all right, because the men and women of

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<v Speaker 2>the various police forces and the federal police are the

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<v Speaker 2>people who run towards what the rest of us would

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<v Speaker 2>run away from or would be the worst day of

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<v Speaker 2>our lives. They don't own enough money, they work too

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<v Speaker 2>many hours, the paperwork becomes arduous, the court system endlessly

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<v Speaker 2>lets them down. But on nights like this, when an

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<v Speaker 2>officer has died doing their job, we are reminded of

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<v Speaker 2>the sacrifice that every single officer makes every single day

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<v Speaker 2>when they kiss their families goodbye. On the behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>anyone watching us in Tasmania, but of course the wider

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<v Speaker 2>nation strength and love to this officer's family, to the

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<v Speaker 2>wider family of policing, and to any and everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>has worn that uniform or wears those uniform, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for what you do, because it is potentially Deadly Work.

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<v Speaker 2>Police Remembrance Day each and every year is a day

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<v Speaker 2>to honor those who have died while on duty. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>another name will be added to that list. This year,

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Prime Minister met with the Canadian Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>These two blokes could be the luckiest people in world politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because they were leading teams that were down in

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<v Speaker 2>the polls. And then of course Donald Trump interfered by

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<v Speaker 2>being Donald Trump in many ways that it meant that

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<v Speaker 2>the new Canadian Prime Minister and the current Australian Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister were able to get not just back over the line,

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<v Speaker 2>but thumping electoral victories, and both in Australia and Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>opposition leaders who looked like they were on a path

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<v Speaker 2>to being the leaders of their country both lost their seat. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>The X factor in and around it is Donald Trump, first,

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<v Speaker 2>the fifty first state talk about Canada, and then tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>and the subsequent stock market panic, which by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, has been totally replaced and the stock

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<v Speaker 2>market has hit new highs, record highs in recent days.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you know, there is going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting of world leaders that will include the Australian Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>A few eagle eyes have noticed the G seven hang on,

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<v Speaker 2>How's the G seven got Australia in it as Australian

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<v Speaker 2>member of the G seven. No, but technically this thing

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be referred to as the G seven

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<v Speaker 2>plus meeting, which means a few extras will be along

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<v Speaker 2>for the ride, including the Australian Prime Minister. And as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there is going to be a meeting between

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Prime Minister who had previously he said that

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump had scared the bleep out of him in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. A man who in many ways was able

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<v Speaker 2>to supercharge his own political performance by running against Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>will now be looking the President of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>in the eye. It won't be in the Oval Office,

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<v Speaker 2>but it will be to the side of these meetings

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<v Speaker 2>which are taking place in Canada this week. A man

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<v Speaker 2>who has known Donald Trump professionally and personally for many years,

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<v Speaker 2>a man who met him in the Oval Office, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>in the many months leading up to the state visit

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison, where Australia was one of his two countries

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<v Speaker 2>who received the honor of being afforded a state dinner

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<v Speaker 2>in the first Trump presidency. Well, he offered some advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it be taken up or not, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems to be the best possible advice about,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of what has been said or done in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>about how to get on the front foot when you

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<v Speaker 2>first meet the most powerful man in the world. Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Hockey of course, the former Australian Ambassador to the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone that goes into the Oval Office goes asking for something,

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<v Speaker 4>go in there to Donald Trump, disarm him and say

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<v Speaker 4>what can I do to help? Because we're aligned in

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<v Speaker 4>our interests. We want freedom, we want democracy, we want

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<v Speaker 4>a safe world. What can we do to help? And

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<v Speaker 4>that would you know, Donald Trump, it will be first impressions.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump is very focused on sizing you up, immediately,

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<v Speaker 4>working out whether you are on his side or the

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<v Speaker 4>other side. And I'd be a little disarming in that sense.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good advice, really good advice, because he's not

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<v Speaker 2>just a world class diplomat, but he's a person who's

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<v Speaker 2>very specifically aware of how to deal with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>First impressions are going to matter. And look, as a

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<v Speaker 2>person who did not vote for this Prime minister in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>had desperately hoped, along with many of you, that he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the Prime minister. He is the Prime Minister, and

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<v Speaker 2>we want the best possible relationship between the United States

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<v Speaker 2>and Australia. Why because in the great battle of freedom

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the world, I want the United

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<v Speaker 2>States at the top of the table above any other

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<v Speaker 2>nation when it comes to the leader of the free world.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are some incredible attitudes that Australians have and

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly have confused between who they have greater trust in,

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<v Speaker 2>but yet America to lead the way or China another

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<v Speaker 2>crazy poll. I'll get to it in a moment or

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<v Speaker 2>two's time, but one thing they probably shouldn't bring up

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<v Speaker 2>is how much they are paid. As you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>told you last week, the fourth pay rise for the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister since he became the Prime Minister has been

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<v Speaker 2>approved by the Renumeration Tribunal, an extra fourteen and a

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<v Speaker 2>half thousand dollars for somebody who well and truly doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need it. Why because he've got one of two publicly

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<v Speaker 2>funded mansions, let alone everyone who's on the teat When

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to ministers, top public servants or even backbenches,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of whether they are in the House or the Senate. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the City Morning Herald today in the nine papers actually

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<v Speaker 2>compared how much we pay our prime minister compared to

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<v Speaker 2>world leaders. Have a look at this. Believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian Prime minister is the fourth highest paid, repeat

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth highest paid of all of the world leaders

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<v Speaker 2>at the top echelons. Singapore pay their prime minister two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half million dollars, Hong Kong pay its chief

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<v Speaker 2>executive one point one million dollars, the President of Switzerland

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and seventy seven thousand, then the Australian Prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister six hundred and twenty two thousand. Now I love Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>but twenty seven million people versus three hundred and fifty million,

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<v Speaker 2>and the leader of the free world. Because the American

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<v Speaker 2>president is paid less than the Australian prime minister, the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian prime minister is paid less than the Australian. New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand's prime minister four hundred and seventy four thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>In Japan their prime minister four hundred and thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand dollars, Australia's Prime minister six hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand keys Stamer is paid. This is dollars, not

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<v Speaker 2>pounds three hundred and sixty five. And then we go

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<v Speaker 2>through Denmark and eventually thirty two thousand dollars is what

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister of India gets paid. So probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what turns up in your bank account on

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth of the month. Today, June sixteenth, a momentous

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<v Speaker 2>day when it comes to politics, because it is ten

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<v Speaker 2>years to the day that modern politics changed forever when

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<v Speaker 2>Donald J. Trump formally announced that he was running for

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<v Speaker 2>the presidency of the United States back in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember the moment when he came down the golden escalator, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that is ten years ago tonight. God little tip if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever get the chance to go to Trump Tower,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have obviously as a tourist, the escalators don't

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<v Speaker 2>work like that for everyone else. You notice that he's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of won escalator back. Well, the escalator that is

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<v Speaker 2>closest to the atrium, that's the one that goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>The one that he went down is the one that

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<v Speaker 2>goes up. But hence it's the power of a potential president.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you ten years right, like in a flick,

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<v Speaker 2>you just go ten years. My goodness, how did that

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<v Speaker 2>pass so fast? Or of course for the Trump haters,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a lifetime. But can we just just for

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<v Speaker 2>a second, just a second, just have a think about

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<v Speaker 2>what's happened in the past ten years on this day,

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, down the escalator and he made a

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<v Speaker 2>speech that people could still quote to this day, positively

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<v Speaker 2>or negatively.

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<v Speaker 5>When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not sending you, They're not sending you. They're sending

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<v Speaker 5>people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those

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<v Speaker 5>problems with us. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists,

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<v Speaker 5>and some are assumer good people.

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<v Speaker 2>What an Indian answer. Now, the media, it must be

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<v Speaker 2>fairly said, did not think that he was a chance

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<v Speaker 2>of not just becoming president. They didn't think that he'd

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<v Speaker 2>end up as the Republican nominee. And if I'm being

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<v Speaker 2>truly honest, and I will not attempt to wipe my history,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think it was a slam dunk. Why because

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<v Speaker 2>Jed Bush was in the race. He would have been

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<v Speaker 2>the third Bush running to be president. He was that

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<v Speaker 2>then governor of Florida, he had two hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in all the machine on his side. But of course

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<v Speaker 2>the media, well, just as they do ten years later.

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<v Speaker 2>This was their attitude back then.

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<v Speaker 6>There are no words. How do you even have a

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<v Speaker 6>straight face? Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>There are no words.

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<v Speaker 5>Ed Rendell, Do you have any doubt that this is

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<v Speaker 5>anything more than a carnival show?

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<v Speaker 7>We all laugh about it, and I'm sitting here laughing

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<v Speaker 7>out loud.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, It's like I can't tell if this is

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<v Speaker 8>politics or if this is just pr Is.

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<v Speaker 5>It typical Donald Trump fashioned or is it hilarity run

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<v Speaker 5>amock this morning?

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<v Speaker 3>Some Republicans say there worry Trump will turn the campaign

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<v Speaker 3>into a circus. Party leaders worry Trump's presence will turn

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<v Speaker 3>the primary into a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but it was so good. Remember from the very

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<v Speaker 2>first debate, the question of course from our dear friend

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<v Speaker 2>Megan Kelly. Well, there he was with heavy hitters, with governors,

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<v Speaker 2>with the people again who filled a birthright in the presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>all of them blowing away. He becomes the nominee. That's

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<v Speaker 2>history in and of itself. And then, of course he

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<v Speaker 2>had the opportunity to debate Hillary Clinton, and like wil

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<v Speaker 2>disliked what he had to say this se is a

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<v Speaker 2>kill a lawn, kill a lawn in a debate.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in

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<v Speaker 5>our country, because.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be in jail. It just this sort of It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter if it's a serious punch or a heavy punch.

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<v Speaker 2>The way you got to fight back, you cop one

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<v Speaker 2>and then you delivered too. Well, of course he won

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<v Speaker 2>that election. It doesn't matter what the margin, It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter which stayed and all. He won right, absolutely, two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy electoral votes. America wanted to change. It

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<v Speaker 2>had a rocky four years and again I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>brush over everything from Russia Russia to COVID responses and

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<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it. But then, of course, the

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<v Speaker 2>bloke who was able to push him out of office, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have to run for office, did he. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in the basement thanks to the results of what

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<v Speaker 2>had got out of control in China when it came

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<v Speaker 2>to the coronavirus, and Biden ended up basically reversing the

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<v Speaker 2>fortunes and won by about the same margin that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>had done four years earlier. We know that Trump didn't

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<v Speaker 2>accept the results, and in part because of how he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't accept those results, an incredible further moment of history.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this in the past ten years. Remember when

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<v Speaker 2>there was a mug shot, the first ever mugshot of

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<v Speaker 2>a former president. This of course was in Georgia, connected

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<v Speaker 2>with a case that eventually went away about plans to

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<v Speaker 2>change the twenty twenty result. And then of course he

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<v Speaker 2>was off the court. And I think this was a

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<v Speaker 2>ludicrous case. Remember he was essentially being found guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>a bookkeeping offense, but they didn't bring the bookkeeper in

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<v Speaker 2>to prove the offense because the bookkeeper had clearly proven

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't an offense. But still remember remember how

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<v Speaker 2>people had thought this guy, Okay, yes he's back as

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<v Speaker 2>the nominee, but there's no way this guy could win.

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<v Speaker 9>This was a rigged, disgraceful trial that the real verdict

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<v Speaker 9>is going to be November by the people, and they

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<v Speaker 9>know what happened here.

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<v Speaker 2>But this history was not over. As you know where

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<v Speaker 2>this is going, but it goes via one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most extraordinary things any of us who care about politics

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<v Speaker 2>have ever seen, which was the then sitting president of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States too, we all know, and up to

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<v Speaker 2>it when he was campaigning from the basement, just melting

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<v Speaker 2>before the world's eyes. Oh, first it was a flu,

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<v Speaker 2>then he was tired from travel, and then of course

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<v Speaker 2>eventually people write best selling books that he was never

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<v Speaker 2>up to it, that he was crumbling behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>And even before we get to he wins the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four election, he was shot at not just once

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<v Speaker 2>but twice, including live on TV.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a little bit old shot that shots a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of months old.

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<v Speaker 8>And if you want to really see something that said,

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<v Speaker 8>take a look at what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>July fourteen last year. This has all happened in the

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<v Speaker 2>past ten years, all as a result of coming down

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<v Speaker 2>the escalator to enter into a primary that few thought

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<v Speaker 2>that he would be able to win. Of course, after

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<v Speaker 2>Biden had melted down after the assassination, they changed the candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though Donald Trump performed like this in the

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<v Speaker 2>one and only debate which they had two the first

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<v Speaker 2>debate with Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 8>In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in,

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<v Speaker 8>They're eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets

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<v Speaker 8>of the people that live there.

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<v Speaker 2>He won again, the second only time in American history

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<v Speaker 2>the a president had one lost and won again.

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<v Speaker 4>The Fox News Decision Desk can now officially project that

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump will become the forty seventh president of the

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<v Speaker 4>United States.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that has happened in the past ten years

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<v Speaker 2>because a decade ago tonight, the Great Man came down

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<v Speaker 2>the Golden escalator and nothing was ever the same again.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings me to a pole of Australians that came

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<v Speaker 2>out today. Ah do I say it's left leaning. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the results are, but they're pretty straight down the line.

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<v Speaker 2>The Low Institute poll came out today and it has

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<v Speaker 2>yet again shown what I am deeply concerned about, which

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<v Speaker 2>is because people don't like Donald Trump in Australia. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the majority. I don't know that upsets some people, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can just got to tell the truth. Those of

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<v Speaker 2>us that are at the very least Trump literate or

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<v Speaker 2>pro Trump, are aware of why he's good or all

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<v Speaker 2>in or magahat wearing right. That is not the majority

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians. But it always scares me about the number

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians who compare China and the United States and

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<v Speaker 2>don't see a vast difference in between those two countries.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, when asked about which country would act responsibly

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to dealing with the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>How a look at this. Sixty four percent of people

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia don't trust the United States. Now, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a lower number than China, which is almost eighty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>But put simply, the majority of Australians don't trust either

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<v Speaker 2>China or the United States. How hardcore is that because

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<v Speaker 2>we certainly know that even if we like or don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the personality of a president of the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>we certainly know that one is about freedom and one

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<v Speaker 2>is very much not when it comes to and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the shocking bit, the lower report of Australians which

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<v Speaker 2>leader do you have confidence in? When it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>world leaders, there is a one point difference between the

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<v Speaker 2>lack of trust. By the way, so seventy one percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people have little or no confidence in the Chinese president,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two percent have little or no confidence in the

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<v Speaker 2>President of the United States. That's scary, Okay, that number

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<v Speaker 2>is frightening to me because for obvious reasons, one imperfect

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<v Speaker 2>as he clearly is, represents the side that we have

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<v Speaker 2>fought two world wars with that we have been in

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<v Speaker 2>lockstep because they represent freedom versus the other one that

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<v Speaker 2>has slowly but surely burrowed away. To mean, the countries

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<v Speaker 2>like Australia end up in a sort of fifty to

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<v Speaker 2>fifty position when viewing those two people are unbelievable. Also

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of interesting things inside this pole too. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we're asking enough people a clear question about

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<v Speaker 2>things like climate change or net zero. Well this is

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<v Speaker 2>as close to that, but i'd love, you know, Newspole,

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<v Speaker 2>Essential or somebody else, straight up questions about climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>straight up questions about whether we should or shouldn't support

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<v Speaker 2>the policy of net zero. Now, the three lines here,

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<v Speaker 2>the dark blue, the light blue, and the red. The

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<v Speaker 2>red says that until we're sure that global warming is

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<v Speaker 2>really a problem, we should not take any steps. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is in Australia fifteen percent. The light blue is

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<v Speaker 2>the problem of global warming should be addressed, but its

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<v Speaker 2>effects wibly be gradual, so we need to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the problem gradually. That is thirty three percent. So obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you can swing this in one direction or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>But amazingly, according to this fifty one percent of Australians

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<v Speaker 2>say the global warming is a serious, pressing problem. We

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<v Speaker 2>should begin taking steps now, even if it involves significant costs.

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<v Speaker 2>As for where we should get our energy from, ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five percent of people think favorably that the major role

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<v Speaker 2>should be of renewables, eighty nine percent of people say

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<v Speaker 2>it for more than a majority. Sixty eight percent of

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<v Speaker 2>people say that a major role should be there for coal,

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty six percent a major role for nuclear. So

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<v Speaker 2>help me out when it comes to the results of

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<v Speaker 2>the federal election. That apparently what you know. Fifty one

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<v Speaker 2>percent say I don't worry what the cost is of

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with climate change, yet they are okay with basically

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<v Speaker 2>all forms of power. But here's the big one. Both

0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.920
<v Speaker 2>major parties in Australia committed to bringing Australia's national greenhouse

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<v Speaker 2>gas emissions down in near zero by twenty fifty. This

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<v Speaker 2>presents both costs and opportunities for the economy. On balance,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that achieving net zero would leave the

0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Australian economy better off worse off? No difference thirty eight

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<v Speaker 2>percent better off, thirty six percent worse off twenty three percent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same, which perhaps is why people like our

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<v Speaker 2>dear friend Matt Canavan and our dear friend Nicholas Reese

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<v Speaker 2>can both be very confident that the majority of Australians

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<v Speaker 2>are basically on their side when it comes to this question. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>can Pole the essential pole the Resolve poll ask a

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<v Speaker 2>straight question, do you support the goal of net zero?

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<v Speaker 2>By right? Yes?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you willing to pay for it? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than again in a scenario here we're basically forty

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<v Speaker 2>forty and twenty sitting around in the middle. Unbelievable. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to say we told you so, but we

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<v Speaker 2>told you so right, Whether you like it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>A whole bunch of people choose to vape over smoking.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know what the long term effects are chemical wise,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>same as for reduce for breakfast and going for a

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<v Speaker 2>five k run every day. All right. I am not

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting that this is a healthy option, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>something clearly one hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people

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<v Speaker 2>are involved in. But a stupid way of dealing with

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 2>this problem rather than legalizing it, controlling what's in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, collecting tax off when it is sold, just

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 2>like with other products people smoke. This federal government decided

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to pretend that they had a solution, which was to

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<v Speaker 2>ban the sale of vapes all over the country, and

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the Health minister he had an even better idea, which

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<v Speaker 2>was that if you wanted to get a vape, you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't go to the convenience store, you wouldn't go

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<v Speaker 2>to the tobacconist. You would go to the local chemist

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<v Speaker 2>and they would then hand you over the device with

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<v Speaker 2>which you would supplement your smoking with. And if you

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to, you could say you're a pack of day

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<v Speaker 2>and they give you a really strong one, or they

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<v Speaker 2>give you lots of them. But guess what, Basically no

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 2>one is availing themselves of this system. Details of the

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Therapeutic Goods Administration were obtained by the Daily Telegraph and

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<v Speaker 2>it shows a disgraceful gap between the illegal stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>still remains on sale at virtually every corner in the

0:24:55.440 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>country and the government scheme, which again even chemists don't

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 2>want to be involved with. More than five nine hundred

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>pharmacists are in the country, but only seven hundred are

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:12.959
<v Speaker 2>willing to hold onto the vapes. Those that do are

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 2>averaging just one legal vape sale every two or three days.

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of vape people walking around, isn't there.

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>The TGA also concedes the number of participating pharmacies may

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 2>be inflated due to duplicate entries in the system. So

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 2>what does that mean. Well, of course, as people continue

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 2>to vape all over the country, the Albanezy government's vape

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>scheme is in disarray, with new figures revealing just one

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 2>in every sixteen hundred and eighty six vape sales excluding

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 2>those involving prescriptions, occur legally through a pharmacy. This is

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and always has been a terrible idea, a terrible way

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>of doing this. Now again, as a person who smokes

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 2>legal tobacco paying through the nose when it comes to taxes,

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 2>we know what the consequence is of trying to have

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>this stupid idea. If we tax it out of existence,

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 2>then somehow no one will be smoking. Well, guess what

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>people are still smoking because they're buying the Chinese garbage

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 2>from tobacconists, which is which are popping up in suburb

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>after suburb, aff suburb after suburb. You can even buy

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>them close to some state parliaments. According to some of

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 2>the reporting that has been done by news organizations around

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 2>the country. It is a ludicrous system that this government

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 2>wants to pretend it has a solution to when the

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 2>only obvious solution is to do exactly with vapes what

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>has been done with tobacco. But may you not do

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>exactly what you've done with tobacco where the taxes are

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>so big, multi billion dollars, and the treasurer gets so

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>lazy that they just keep putting it up and up

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and up, expecting that they will forever be able to

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 2>break the back of smokers. The reality is that the

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>black market is winning by a country mile when it

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 2>comes to vapes, and it is now this close, if

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>not already winning by a similar margin when it comes

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>to legal tobacco, and both of which don't touch not

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>good for your health, no question whatsoever. You are shortening

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 2>your life by doing it legally vaping or illegally. But

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>someone somewhere will one day wake up. But of course

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the lobby is so strong, so strong that finding anything

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 2>other than these stupid schemes that people do not use

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 2>that does not stop smoking but makes people feel good

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>who want to bang on about smoking, Well, it's failing.

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Time for a rethink. Let's legalize control, get rid of

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the criminal element, and stop pretending that the place to

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>buy a tobacco replacement is a freaking pharmacy where the

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>extreme majority don't want to sell them because it's kind

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>of against what they do here on Pulmurray Live, Nicolas Rees,

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Matt Canavan everything from net zero to a decade of

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump ten years? Can you believe that what a

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 2>privilege it has been to go through almost every one

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of those days in real time with you mort Sec.

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who's been to Brisbane or has watched an episode

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>of Blue he knows where Mountcuther is beautiful part and

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 2>the ability to look down over one of the great cities. Well,

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a plan to make the whole thing in eco

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 2>tourism hotspot. Have a look at this. It looks like

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a space station. Apparently it is inspired

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>by the Singapore Gardens, but Mountcuther. This is the plan

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>for eco glamping, tree top walks upgraded Lookout from the

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Hill by the beloved Sorry blood by tourists.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Eh.

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I like what's there now? And I like that it's nice.

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 2>It looks like I was in Bluey there's lovely people

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>who run the cafe. You can sit there and even

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>have a chicken stitz all looking out at one of

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the great views of the world. I know that there's

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>one bloke who I'm going to guess agrees with me,

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and another one who thinks the sky is blue? And

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>why don't we do this in Melbourne. Let's be joined

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<v Speaker 2>by them now, none other than Senator Matt Canavan, of course,

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 2>joining us from Queensland and resplendent in his green jacket.

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 2>What a fresh little one that is. Nicholas Rees, of course,

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>the Lord Mayor of Melbourne. Lads, Hello, welcome, you're with me,

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Matt Kuther. Leave it the way it is. We don't

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 2>need the you know.

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love I love Matt Couth.

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 7>I'm not surprised you ride your pushbike up there every

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 7>time you're in Brisbane and Paul get up there and

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 7>have a look at it.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>There's lots of people who do that.

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I'm off and up there doing another show

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 7>which I won't mention on your channel. But yeah, I

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 7>love getting a coffee on the way home. That's great cafe.

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 7>It's great as it is, as you say. I don't

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 7>know why they don't need to do that. Do that

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 7>stuff somewhere else where. It's which is not great. Matt

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 7>Foth is already great.

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>But again look we've got bigg and detailed things to

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 2>get to. But this are we just knuckle dragers. Nick.

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, great tourism if you need great, Brisbane's got

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>plenty of stuff to look out before building. What was

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 2>that thing they had in Adelaide that if possible whatever

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>it was, that sort of glass thing that was there

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>back in the eighties. All right, what do we need

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>this in Brisie?

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Well?

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 10>Well, I mean, look, guys, I know you both love

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 10>playing the crazy conservative contrarians, but now you're arguing against

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 10>investment in region Australia.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 6>I just think about the position.

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 10>Okayment jobs in regional Australia.

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 6>You're arguing against it.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 7>Okay, you know that we've got to just want to

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 7>create a concrete jungle.

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful bush.

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 6>Look and everyone male, good high quality jobs.

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Hold the presses. The Lord Mayor of Melbourne just said

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>that Brisbane is in regional Australia.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>That through.

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You, all right, the Erry.

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>What's the media in Melbourne?

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 6>A cross the tweet region?

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>We just do it can we do a fact check?

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 7>Can we do a fact check in the ad break

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 7>about the medium house price in Melvin versus the medium

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 7>house price in Brisbane?

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Very good, point of god.

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, well enough, love, let's get to let's get

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the white people are here, right, they're in the front round.

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>They want the ding ding, so let's get to it here.

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So the Nationals yet another conference held over the weekend

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>about its policy future votes against net zero. The cheering

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you could hear was not because Matt's footy team was

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>getting up on the weekend. It was because what he

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>thinks is the good idea for the country was getting

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 2>up in his party.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Paul, I probably didn't cheer as loud as since

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 7>the Broncos won the premiership back in two thousand and five.

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 7>It's been a long time between drinks and I've been

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 7>at this fight for a long time too, So look,

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm just happy we had a debate. We we haven't

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 7>even about to have a debate in the joint part

0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 7>of on net zero on many of our state conferences.

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 7>So good on the news of OL's Nationals Party for

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 7>having that debate. Mainstein was a it was a tough thought,

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 7>robust debate, that's how it should be, and don't the

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 7>Australian people deserve a choice on this. This is a

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 7>radical plan to completely change how we do everything, not

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 7>just electricity. Sometimes we get hoodwinked into thinking net zero

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 7>is just about putting some solar panels and batteries up.

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>No it's not.

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 7>It's about changing everything we do, from the food we

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 7>grow to how we transport that food around the countryside.

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 7>And we're seeing every country trying to do this is

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 7>just ending up poorer as are we, And so don't

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 7>we deserve a debate? And I think the Australian people

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 7>deserve a choice. So I hope other states our parties

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 7>do the same. Northern Territory just did the same as

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 7>the use of L's Nationals. The Country Liberal Party there

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 7>has dropped their support for net zero, So I think

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 7>this is some dominoes now falling and hopefully the next

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 7>election we can have a contest on this craziness.

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Certainly getting back to where the low Institute was, and

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 2>again I know parts of it lean a little left,

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 2>but still right. Thirty eight percent better off because of

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the net zero commitment. Thirty six percent say we're worse off.

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>As a result, basically the middle is turning around going

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>oh okay that basically it's the same. What does it

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>say to you again? Again, I'm happy for the debate, right,

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll find out where the country is, but even interesting

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>in that kind of left leaning polling that basically we're

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>talking forty forty twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, look, I think this is an absolutely terrible decision.

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>That's before we have the debate.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, Nick, Well, I mean, I look, this is clearly

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 10>and absolutely to that.

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 6>Now that's okay.

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 10>I mean, this is clearly provably a terrible decision by

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 10>the NATS and it shows that they are not ready

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 10>to govern in New South Wales and the New South

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 10>walest Liberal Party needs to be absolutely clear and categorical

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 10>that they would not govern in coalition with a National

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 10>Party that doesn't share a commitment to zero by twenty fifty.

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 10>And I think politically, and put aside the terrible public

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 10>policy here, politically it's terrible.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 6>For the NATS and the coalition as well.

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 10>Like this is you know in the cupboard, pulled out

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 10>the crazy pills and they've just sort of swallowed the

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 10>whole jar.

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 6>I mean, the next.

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 10>I know, you've got absolutely I know how badly thumped,

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 10>I know how badly thumped the last federal election.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>But always not lost.

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 10>All is not lost if you remain a sensible centrist,

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 10>center right government and not lurch to the Trump extremes.

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.720
<v Speaker 6>Of politics, the next election is winnable.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 10>Well, it is Trump policy showing the Australian people that

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 10>you're not ready to govern, that you're just not ready

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 10>to go.

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 7>Can I jump in before you both respond here, Paul,

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 7>maybe I was I was being I was being far

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 7>too optimistic.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>That would get an actual debate.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 7>Instead, we just got a rant from Nick and again

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 7>saying that somehow it's anathema for anyone.

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't have a view against zero, you're out.

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 7>You're ostracized from polite society, according to the Labor Party

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 7>for doing that, because they cannot argue for the actual issue.

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 7>They cannot argument what a sensible argument for why we

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 7>should shut down our coal industries, our cold five power

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 7>stations which are powering coal and gas powering ninety five

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 7>percent of Queensland right now we should shut those things

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 7>down but still export the coal and gas the rest

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 7>of the world. They can't answer that question about how

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 7>that makes any sense. So instead of arguing the issue,

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 7>they immediately go.

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>To the invective.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 7>You're Trump, You're crazy, your crazy pills, all this stuff.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 7>As I tried to say just before Tony Blair about

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.720
<v Speaker 7>a month ago, Tony Blair, the former UK Prime minister,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 7>the Labor Prime minister, called net zero irrational.

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Sus is not Donald Trump.

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 7>This is for large parts of the world are waking

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 7>up to the fact that this target is unachievable and

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 7>trying to achieve it, though is costing an arm and

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 7>a leg. And I don't think this trained people deserve

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 7>how the burden placed on them.

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 2>So Nick, I just want to ask you, right, not

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>necessarily to respond in all of what Matt just said, right,

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>although if you want to feel free, but what I

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 2>think sums a lot of people, right, which is, there's

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 2>the fundamentals here, right, Australia one percent of the global

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>emissions problem. One percent, right, So the plan is for

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 2>us to do at the moment forty three percent of

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>one percent of the world's problem. Okay, the push on

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>for whatever the twenty thirty five target might end up

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 2>getting us towards fifty five, sixty five, seventy five whatever.

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's even imagine one hundred it's one hundred percent of

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>one percent of the world's problems and China is able

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>to wipe that out in sixteen days. So, Nikkot, what

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>point as a person who yes wants the action, says

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>we need to be part of the global all the

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 2>rest of it, right, But at what point does the

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 2>left actually recognize that even if we did everything, we're

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 2>not going to change the weather in Australia.

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 6>So this is not the left, Paul.

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 10>This is science and engineering and every country doing its bit,

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:55.280
<v Speaker 10>and Australia can not only do its bit, it can excel.

0:36:55.680 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 10>We are a renewable superpower in this country, Paul. We

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 10>have huge amounts of wind and solar and we have

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 10>great technological and innovative industries who are ready to go

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 10>to build Australia as a green power superpower. So we

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 10>should be embracing that future, not running away from it,

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.720
<v Speaker 10>seeing that this is an opportunity to create national advantage

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 10>for our nation, and you know, to be trying to

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 10>deny that, to try and turn Australia backwards.

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 6>I just can't understand that.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 10>Ultimately, Mattter, I think you're letting down regional communities with

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 10>the arguments you're making.

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 7>Manick Nick, you haven't got the memo that language just

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 7>used about year out of day. The Labor Party used

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 7>to say we're going to be a green superpower, going

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 7>to be a green export superpower. They don't say that

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 7>anymore because hydrogen has been a complete dud. I can

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 7>take you down the road just one hundred odd k's

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 7>down the road from where I am now, and we

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 7>gave Twiggy Forest forty four million dollars. We've ended up

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.399
<v Speaker 7>with a shed for it. We've got a shed because

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 7>he's walked away from the hydrogen and we're not going

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 7>to get those jobs that we were promised by the

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 7>Labor Party a few years ago and hydrogen. Luckily, the

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 7>coal mines are still going strong, but there is no

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 7>hydrogen market out there. There's nothing that's going to be

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 7>out there anytime soon. We just saw last week that

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 7>the latest analysis shows that hydrogen is still costing eight

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 7>times the cost of natural gas in the US.

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>This is not.

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.240
<v Speaker 7>Working and the reality is starting to come in now

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 7>and the sooner we therefore recognize that reality, the lot

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 7>less costly will be for austrains and drop this tied

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 7>talking points and rhetoric that is not based on much

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:36.919
<v Speaker 7>more than hot air.

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 10>Again, you'll look a guy sitting around in nineteen eighty

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 10>typing away and your typewriter, saying, these PCs will never

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 10>take off. The PC last week and it crashed, and

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 10>what a failure that is. Well, the PC, the computer

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 10>age will never come catching the train sitting up a

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 10>new typewriter factory. We're going to give government money to

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 10>build a new typewriter factory here in our town.

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 6>That's what you're saying. Now.

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 7>Act, we've we've been backing hydrogen for decades. It hasn't worked.

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 7>Talking about the ninety eighties. In the ninety eighties, Job

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 7>Corpedison stood in front of an xd Ford fairlo and said,

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 7>the hydrogen car is here right in front of your eyes.

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 7>It didn't work. And the old saying goes with hydrogens

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 7>just twenty years away, it's just always been twenty years away.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 7>And that's being proven again. As I say, you don't

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 7>see the Federal Labor Party talk about hydrogen anymore. They

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 7>didn't mention in the campaign. Nick, you just haven't caught

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.800
<v Speaker 7>up with that. That's fine, because you don't live and

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.720
<v Speaker 7>breathe that like I do up here because we've had

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 7>tens of millions, hundreds of millions actually wasted up here

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 7>in Central and North Queensland on this pipe dream that

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 7>we would somehow have hydrogen jobs. No one's employed in

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 7>the hydrogen industry anymore, there's no one there. There's a

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 7>lot of people employed in the coal industry and there's

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.800
<v Speaker 7>record demand for that coal, So why don't we invest

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 7>in that and become wealthy as a country again?

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you lads, neck Can I use this incredible privilege

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>of being able to be across the entire country incident

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it right to say to my

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 2>daughter Zadi and my other daughter Asher, go to bed,

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 2>all right. I know it's late and it's fun to

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>watch that on TVAB it's time to go to bed,

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 2>all right. And also just to remind you that we're

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 2>all linked, regardless of our political opinions or our point

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 2>in life. My wife has reminded me tonight is read midnight,

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 2>so see we're all in the same place eventually, more

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 2>in a secure on pre Worrick life.

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Love your girls, all.

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, quick hits with the lads here about plenty of

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>news that roand Nicholas rece of course, Lord Merrior, Melbourne

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and Queens a Senator Nationals who his bootstraps and under

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the wonderful Matt Canavan, who by the way, big fan

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Stockman Stakes. They're on his way here. Ort

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 2>like nothing. Three didn't call me for a free He's

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>ordered them right, he's backed in a sponsor of this show.

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, great man. I do appreciate it all. Right. Now,

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about this vaping stuff, right, and particularly the

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.359
<v Speaker 2>nonsense of this chemist system that clearly is a joke

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>nobody's involved with. You know what, One in sixteen hundred

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 2>vape sales come through this sort of legal method. The

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 2>rest of it's clearly going nuts. So Nicholas, what is

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the solution here? Because yes, in a perfect world, we

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 2>can all pretend no one's going to do it anymore,

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>but they're going to do it. So that's why I

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 2>say legalize it, control it and tax it like they

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 2>do the other stuff that people do.

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 10>Well, look, it's not working as it should at the moment.

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 10>I think we can all see that there is a

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 10>preponderance of vape shops across the country. Seems that when

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 10>you walk down some high streets. Every second or third

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 10>shop is a vape shop, and yet apparently what they're

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 10>doing is not legal in Australia. So something is not

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 10>working in the regulatory arrangements there. I know the Commonwealth

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 10>has promised more resource for enforcement.

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 6>That sounds like a good step to me.

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 10>I do agree that prohibition is a difficult thing to do,

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.839
<v Speaker 10>particularly when the rest of the world is not doing that,

0:41:55.719 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 10>and so yes, I think looking at a tougher regulatory

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 10>arrangement but not a prohibition, is probably something that deserves examination.

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I hate vapes.

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 10>I think they're awful, but I don't know that sort

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 10>of prohibition and the sort of chemist scheme that we've

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.240
<v Speaker 10>got operating at the moment is working.

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 2>It's just so embarrassing. Mat Again again, one of the

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.399
<v Speaker 2>five minutes to midnight policy things that nobody really paid

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>attention to, but certainly that was really interesting out of

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 2>the Coalition in part of its costings at the last election,

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 2>was legalize and tax vapes. Right now, again, we have

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 2>this scenario where you know, certain drugs, if you have

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 2>possession of them in certain parts of the country, it's

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 2>not a crime. But if you buy a vape from

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:44.839
<v Speaker 2>the wrong place, the selling of it. Again, I don't

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>want to go full libertarian here, which is, you know,

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.320
<v Speaker 2>do what you want, let's just tax everything. But clearly

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>the chemist thing is a joke, right man.

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Paul, look on with you.

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't recommend vaping yourself some of those stakes from

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 7>your sponsors that would be much better hit than a vape.

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 7>But look, it's a file policy. As you say, all

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 7>it's doing now is funding organized crime. And what I

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 7>worry the most. It's always hard to tell, of course,

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 7>but creating these both the vape market and the illegal

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:20.240
<v Speaker 7>tobacco market fueled by high exercises, is creating a massive

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 7>line of business for organized crime. But they then reinvest

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 7>into other lines of business of crime, leading to more

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 7>car theft and all these other things that are going

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 7>on and seem to a balloon. So I think there

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 7>is a connection there, and I do think the liberal

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 7>national policy was just a sensible one. It's not full

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 7>blow and libertaria. I'm not saying legalize everything, it's just

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 7>saying that, Look, we've obviously made a decision that you

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 7>can vape because you're allowed to buy them out from pharmacies.

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 7>But the pharmacies don't want to sell them. They sell

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 7>a really restricted array of vapes, and so people are

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 7>still going to the legal market. So look, now that

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 7>we actually do legally sell vapes, why don't we just

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 7>do it like cigarettes and put it behind a cabinet,

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 7>don't advertise obviously, get rid of all anything that's marketed

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 7>towards kids or fairy phloss flavors yet one hundred percent stuff,

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 7>and just be sensible about it.

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Good stuff. Now, next couple of days, we know there's

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>of course going to be the meeting between our Prime

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 2>minister and the United States President. Now we also know

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 2>that the media is going to be more focused on

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the body language than anything that is actually said or done.

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>We also know that it's not going to be a

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.720
<v Speaker 2>contankerous meeting. Why because generally speaking, when two world leaders

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:28.320
<v Speaker 2>get close enough to each other, the politeness and the cuddles.

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 2>So I always sort of think some of the expectations

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>around this stuff gets a little bit weird. You're not

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 2>going to solve the world's problems or start World War

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 2>three on the side of the main meeting. But what

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.399
<v Speaker 2>would you hope comes out of it here?

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 7>Matt, Look, I think Joe hah Hockey summed it up

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 7>really well, showed way such a good ambassador when he

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 7>said that, Look, he hopes our Prime minister starts the

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 7>meeting by saying, what can I.

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Do to help?

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 7>I mean the United States, I think does need some

0:44:58.239 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 7>help from its friends right now.

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Country.

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.800
<v Speaker 7>It's got massive debt, it's had a couple of decades

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 7>of relatively stagnant economic performance, and it's trying to take

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 7>on the as usual, the burden of being the policeman

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 7>of the world right now with all the conflicts around there.

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 7>So look, it's a good friend an ally, we should

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 7>be trying to help them as much as we can.

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 7>I thought Anthony Alberanesi's juvenile and petulant response a couple

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 7>of weeks ago to the request to lift our defense

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 7>spending it was not worthy of an Australian Prime minister.

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 7>He called the Secretary Headsets considered speech in Singapore a

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 7>comment and then went on a rant about how we're

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 7>a sovereign nation. Well, of course for a sovereign nation,

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 7>but we've actually only kept our sovereignty by having strong

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 7>friends in the Bloc, and we need those strong friends

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 7>now more than ever. So look, I just hope that

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 7>a spirit of cooperation comes out, that we are friends, let's.

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Try and work together.

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 7>We might not be able to lift our defense spending

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 7>to three and a half percent of GDP, but we

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 7>should give it a worthy consideration if the United States

0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 7>thinks that's what we can do to help the Alliance,

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 7>to help our region and ultimately help the world stay

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 7>as peaceful and prosperous as we can.

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>But again, you know, Nicholas, majority of people don't like

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump in this country. Obviously, you know Albanezi was

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>able to leverage that in part of how things played

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 2>out at the election. But if I have to choose

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the leader of the world, I don't want it to

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>be China. I want it to be the United States.

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And that means whoever the occupant of that office is,

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 2>whether they are the living corpse of Biden or the

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, current occupant, Donald Trump. I want us to

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 2>have the best possible relationship, which means I think they

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.439
<v Speaker 2>can get I think they will probably find some way

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to interpersonally get along. But as a person who's a

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>long term Trump skeptic, let me put it that way.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Are you hoping that lefty Albow gets in there and

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.320
<v Speaker 2>just gives him a couple of truth bombs, says something nasty,

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 2>justinder our durn style at the lect turned you know,

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 2>what's the lefty in you, you know, really wanting out

0:46:56.120 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>at this moment? What do you want, Nicholas?

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 10>As you know, Paul, I'm on the Sensible Center straight

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 10>Talk Express here in Melbourne these days and.

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I read your interview with Benefit Zono.

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 10>I think, yes, I think that I think that the

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 10>alliance with the United States has served Australia very well,

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.720
<v Speaker 10>and I think it has served the United States.

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 6>Very well as well.

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 10>And I think that powerful reminder of mutual interest and

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 10>common values and belief in democracy is something that Albanezi

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.760
<v Speaker 10>should speak to. And yeah, you know, we are allies

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 10>and the idea of saying, as Joe Hockey is suggesting,

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 10>how can we help is probably a sensible start. I mean,

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 10>of course, the big worry is which Donald Trump is

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 10>going to turn up? Like we're going to see the

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 10>Donald Trump who turned up for the phone call with

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 10>President g from China the other day, where you know,

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.439
<v Speaker 10>by the end of the exchange, Donald Trump was off

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 10>to China, or we're going to see the Donald Trump

0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.799
<v Speaker 10>who turned up to the meeting with the Canadian Prime

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 10>series probably closest our load the Canadian Prime Minister Mark

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 10>Carney or Zelenski, where things just go totally off the rails.

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 6>We don't know, and so.

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 10>That's what's so compelling about Donald Trump and the whole

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 10>Donald Trump era. Doesn't matter what you think about him,

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 10>you can't look away. And one thing we can all

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:19.919
<v Speaker 10>agree on is Donald Trump's been very good for Sky

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 10>News and in fact every TV news network in the

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 10>world because we all just don't know what's going to

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:25.320
<v Speaker 10>help with others.

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Oath, kenn Oath, but unlike most, we at least give

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 2>him the benefit of the doubt. All right, thank you, lad,

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.879
<v Speaker 2>still appreciate it. We'll see you again very soon. Matt

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Canavan and Nicholas Rees quick break back with more and

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 2>then the Late Debate here on Scorning just beforehand off

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 2>to the Late Debate. Great show, great lineup, great topics,

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<v Speaker 2>good looking people. Last night we did a little thing

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<v Speaker 2>where on Sunday nights we're going to do a thing

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<v Speaker 2>called the Table of Knowledge, where we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>big brain people and we're not going to go through

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<v Speaker 2>news of the day or news of the week. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be bigger issues, right, like had did Nan

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<v Speaker 2>zero become a purity test for both the left or

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<v Speaker 2>the right. If you have a question that you would

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<v Speaker 2>like to ask big brain people, like something that's not

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<v Speaker 2>about two day's news, send me the email. Hey, pollotsguynews

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. Do you polotsguynews dot com dot au. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'd like to be able to ask those questions

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<v Speaker 2>on your behalf right, something that's just been digging away

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger thinking thing. We'll do them every single Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 2>but every single night Monday through Thursday. The Late Debate

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<v Speaker 2>begins now