Speaker 1: From the Skying Center.
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Speaker 2: with tonight including the National Party takes a major step
Speaker 2: away from net zero. I look forward to discussing that
Speaker 2: we're two blows to agree on this issue every time
Speaker 2: we bring it up. Nicholas Rees, the Lord Mayor of
Speaker 2: Melbourne and the Senator at a big Fanadose Stockman states
Speaker 2: and I'm the wonderful Matt Canevan will be joining us
Speaker 2: from his man cave as I am in mind in
Speaker 2: a moment or two time. And can you believe this
Speaker 2: moment in history today on the sixteenth of June, ten
Speaker 2: years to the day since Donald Trump came down the escalator.
Speaker 2: What a decade it has been. We'll look back at
Speaker 2: the highest, the lows, the good, the bad, the ugly,
Speaker 2: all of that business. And a reminder in a couple
Speaker 2: of Sundays time, not this Sunday. Next Sunday, we are
Speaker 2: going to be in Newcastle. Shout out to all look friends,
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Speaker 2: dot com dot au. Now, before we start, as you know,
Speaker 2: this show ProPolice, This show procop and when the news
Speaker 2: came through that at eleven o'clock this morning there was
Speaker 2: a fatal shooting of a police officer in northwest Tasmania.
Speaker 2: It stops us in our boots and let me tell
Speaker 2: you about what took place today in a place called
Speaker 2: North Mottam. Now, according to the police information that was
Speaker 2: released at the time, police attended a residential property on
Speaker 2: Allison Road in relation to routine duties shortly after eleven am. Now,
Speaker 2: what apparently was taking place was that a constable who
Speaker 2: had been in the force for some time, was handing
Speaker 2: a warrant or was given the task of handing a warrant.
Speaker 2: A member of the public then allegedly shot the police
Speaker 2: officers the officer approached the house. Another police officer consequently
Speaker 2: discharged their firearm towards the alleged offender, who then surrendered
Speaker 2: to police. The police officer who was critically injured and
Speaker 2: died at the scene. The alleged defender was not seriously injured.
Speaker 2: The Police Commissioner in Tasmania now the family of the
Speaker 2: officer have asked for him not to him or not
Speaker 2: to be named at this exact moment. But this is
Speaker 2: what we know about the situation. From the head of
Speaker 2: the police force in.
Speaker 3: TASMANI Policing can be risky, but we expect every officer
Speaker 3: to finish their shift and come home to their families.
Speaker 3: I've been a police officer for thirty eight years and
Speaker 3: I've never seen an incident like this that's resulted in
Speaker 3: the loss of a life of one of our colleagues
Speaker 3: and friends.
Speaker 2: As for the Police Association, of course, the effectively the
Speaker 2: union of officers in every state, but specifically Tasmania, they
Speaker 2: too offer condolences to the office family. It's going to
Speaker 2: be some difficult days and weeks and months ahead and
Speaker 2: we'll do everything that we can to ensure that everyone
Speaker 2: gets the support that they need. The Queensland Premier, sorry
Speaker 2: the Tasmanian Premier are offered a written statement today. He
Speaker 2: will obviously offer further condolences when more information comes forward,
Speaker 2: and it is with the deepest sadness that Tasmanian police
Speaker 2: officers lost their life in a tragic shooting in the
Speaker 2: Western District. To everyone who had the honor of knowing
Speaker 2: this off officer, the love of an entire state is
Speaker 2: with you. Now. I say this about the show being
Speaker 2: pro cop all right, because the men and women of
Speaker 2: the various police forces and the federal police are the
Speaker 2: people who run towards what the rest of us would
Speaker 2: run away from or would be the worst day of
Speaker 2: our lives. They don't own enough money, they work too
Speaker 2: many hours, the paperwork becomes arduous, the court system endlessly
Speaker 2: lets them down. But on nights like this, when an
Speaker 2: officer has died doing their job, we are reminded of
Speaker 2: the sacrifice that every single officer makes every single day
Speaker 2: when they kiss their families goodbye. On the behalf of
Speaker 2: anyone watching us in Tasmania, but of course the wider
Speaker 2: nation strength and love to this officer's family, to the
Speaker 2: wider family of policing, and to any and everyone who
Speaker 2: has worn that uniform or wears those uniform, thank you
Speaker 2: for what you do, because it is potentially Deadly Work.
Speaker 2: Police Remembrance Day each and every year is a day
Speaker 2: to honor those who have died while on duty. Sadly,
Speaker 2: another name will be added to that list. This year,
Speaker 2: the Australian Prime Minister met with the Canadian Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: These two blokes could be the luckiest people in world politics.
Speaker 2: Why because they were leading teams that were down in
Speaker 2: the polls. And then of course Donald Trump interfered by
Speaker 2: being Donald Trump in many ways that it meant that
Speaker 2: the new Canadian Prime Minister and the current Australian Prime
Speaker 2: Minister were able to get not just back over the line,
Speaker 2: but thumping electoral victories, and both in Australia and Canada,
Speaker 2: opposition leaders who looked like they were on a path
Speaker 2: to being the leaders of their country both lost their seat. Again.
Speaker 2: The X factor in and around it is Donald Trump, first,
Speaker 2: the fifty first state talk about Canada, and then tariffs
Speaker 2: and the subsequent stock market panic, which by the way,
Speaker 2: as you know, has been totally replaced and the stock
Speaker 2: market has hit new highs, record highs in recent days.
Speaker 2: But as you know, there is going to be a
Speaker 2: meeting of world leaders that will include the Australian Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: A few eagle eyes have noticed the G seven hang on,
Speaker 2: How's the G seven got Australia in it as Australian
Speaker 2: member of the G seven. No, but technically this thing
Speaker 2: is going to be referred to as the G seven
Speaker 2: plus meeting, which means a few extras will be along
Speaker 2: for the ride, including the Australian Prime Minister. And as
Speaker 2: you know, there is going to be a meeting between
Speaker 2: the Australian Prime Minister who had previously he said that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump had scared the bleep out of him in
Speaker 2: the past. A man who in many ways was able
Speaker 2: to supercharge his own political performance by running against Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: will now be looking the President of the United States
Speaker 2: in the eye. It won't be in the Oval Office,
Speaker 2: but it will be to the side of these meetings
Speaker 2: which are taking place in Canada this week. A man
Speaker 2: who has known Donald Trump professionally and personally for many years,
Speaker 2: a man who met him in the Oval Office, of course,
Speaker 2: in the many months leading up to the state visit
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, where Australia was one of his two countries
Speaker 2: who received the honor of being afforded a state dinner
Speaker 2: in the first Trump presidency. Well, he offered some advice.
Speaker 2: Whether it be taken up or not, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it seems to be the best possible advice about,
Speaker 2: regardless of what has been said or done in the past,
Speaker 2: about how to get on the front foot when you
Speaker 2: first meet the most powerful man in the world. Joe
Speaker 2: Hockey of course, the former Australian Ambassador to the United States.
Speaker 4: Everyone that goes into the Oval Office goes asking for something,
Speaker 4: go in there to Donald Trump, disarm him and say
Speaker 4: what can I do to help? Because we're aligned in
Speaker 4: our interests. We want freedom, we want democracy, we want
Speaker 4: a safe world. What can we do to help? And
Speaker 4: that would you know, Donald Trump, it will be first impressions.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is very focused on sizing you up, immediately,
Speaker 4: working out whether you are on his side or the
Speaker 4: other side. And I'd be a little disarming in that sense.
Speaker 2: That's really good advice, really good advice, because he's not
Speaker 2: just a world class diplomat, but he's a person who's
Speaker 2: very specifically aware of how to deal with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: First impressions are going to matter. And look, as a
Speaker 2: person who did not vote for this Prime minister in fact,
Speaker 2: had desperately hoped, along with many of you, that he
Speaker 2: wasn't the Prime minister. He is the Prime Minister, and
Speaker 2: we want the best possible relationship between the United States
Speaker 2: and Australia. Why because in the great battle of freedom
Speaker 2: when it comes to the world, I want the United
Speaker 2: States at the top of the table above any other
Speaker 2: nation when it comes to the leader of the free world.
Speaker 2: And there are some incredible attitudes that Australians have and
Speaker 2: seemingly have confused between who they have greater trust in,
Speaker 2: but yet America to lead the way or China another
Speaker 2: crazy poll. I'll get to it in a moment or
Speaker 2: two's time, but one thing they probably shouldn't bring up
Speaker 2: is how much they are paid. As you know, I
Speaker 2: told you last week, the fourth pay rise for the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister since he became the Prime Minister has been
Speaker 2: approved by the Renumeration Tribunal, an extra fourteen and a
Speaker 2: half thousand dollars for somebody who well and truly doesn't
Speaker 2: need it. Why because he've got one of two publicly
Speaker 2: funded mansions, let alone everyone who's on the teat When
Speaker 2: it comes to ministers, top public servants or even backbenches,
Speaker 2: regardless of whether they are in the House or the Senate. Well,
Speaker 2: the City Morning Herald today in the nine papers actually
Speaker 2: compared how much we pay our prime minister compared to
Speaker 2: world leaders. Have a look at this. Believe it or not,
Speaker 2: The Australian Prime minister is the fourth highest paid, repeat
Speaker 2: the fourth highest paid of all of the world leaders
Speaker 2: at the top echelons. Singapore pay their prime minister two
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars, Hong Kong pay its chief
Speaker 2: executive one point one million dollars, the President of Switzerland
Speaker 2: eight hundred and seventy seven thousand, then the Australian Prime
Speaker 2: minister six hundred and twenty two thousand. Now I love Australia,
Speaker 2: but twenty seven million people versus three hundred and fifty million,
Speaker 2: and the leader of the free world. Because the American
Speaker 2: president is paid less than the Australian prime minister, the
Speaker 2: Canadian prime minister is paid less than the Australian. New
Speaker 2: Zealand's prime minister four hundred and seventy four thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: In Japan their prime minister four hundred and thirty six
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars, Australia's Prime minister six hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: two thousand keys Stamer is paid. This is dollars, not
Speaker 2: pounds three hundred and sixty five. And then we go
Speaker 2: through Denmark and eventually thirty two thousand dollars is what
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister of India gets paid. So probably don't
Speaker 2: talk about what turns up in your bank account on
Speaker 2: the fifteenth of the month. Today, June sixteenth, a momentous
Speaker 2: day when it comes to politics, because it is ten
Speaker 2: years to the day that modern politics changed forever when
Speaker 2: Donald J. Trump formally announced that he was running for
Speaker 2: the presidency of the United States back in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: You remember the moment when he came down the golden escalator, Well,
Speaker 2: that is ten years ago tonight. God little tip if
Speaker 2: you ever get the chance to go to Trump Tower,
Speaker 2: and I have obviously as a tourist, the escalators don't
Speaker 2: work like that for everyone else. You notice that he's
Speaker 2: sort of won escalator back. Well, the escalator that is
Speaker 2: closest to the atrium, that's the one that goes down.
Speaker 2: The one that he went down is the one that
Speaker 2: goes up. But hence it's the power of a potential president.
Speaker 2: But like you ten years right, like in a flick,
Speaker 2: you just go ten years. My goodness, how did that
Speaker 2: pass so fast? Or of course for the Trump haters,
Speaker 2: it's been a lifetime. But can we just just for
Speaker 2: a second, just a second, just have a think about
Speaker 2: what's happened in the past ten years on this day,
Speaker 2: ten years ago, down the escalator and he made a
Speaker 2: speech that people could still quote to this day, positively
Speaker 2: or negatively.
Speaker 5: When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.
Speaker 5: They're not sending you, They're not sending you. They're sending
Speaker 5: people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those
Speaker 5: problems with us. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists,
Speaker 5: and some are assumer good people.
Speaker 2: What an Indian answer. Now, the media, it must be
Speaker 2: fairly said, did not think that he was a chance
Speaker 2: of not just becoming president. They didn't think that he'd
Speaker 2: end up as the Republican nominee. And if I'm being
Speaker 2: truly honest, and I will not attempt to wipe my history,
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a slam dunk. Why because
Speaker 2: Jed Bush was in the race. He would have been
Speaker 2: the third Bush running to be president. He was that
Speaker 2: then governor of Florida, he had two hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: in all the machine on his side. But of course
Speaker 2: the media, well, just as they do ten years later.
Speaker 2: This was their attitude back then.
Speaker 6: There are no words. How do you even have a
Speaker 6: straight face? Right now?
Speaker 1: There are no words.
Speaker 5: Ed Rendell, Do you have any doubt that this is
Speaker 5: anything more than a carnival show?
Speaker 7: We all laugh about it, and I'm sitting here laughing
Speaker 7: out loud.
Speaker 8: You know, It's like I can't tell if this is
Speaker 8: politics or if this is just pr Is.
Speaker 5: It typical Donald Trump fashioned or is it hilarity run
Speaker 5: amock this morning?
Speaker 3: Some Republicans say there worry Trump will turn the campaign
Speaker 3: into a circus. Party leaders worry Trump's presence will turn
Speaker 3: the primary into a joke.
Speaker 2: Oh but it was so good. Remember from the very
Speaker 2: first debate, the question of course from our dear friend
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly. Well, there he was with heavy hitters, with governors,
Speaker 2: with the people again who filled a birthright in the presidency,
Speaker 2: all of them blowing away. He becomes the nominee. That's
Speaker 2: history in and of itself. And then, of course he
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to debate Hillary Clinton, and like wil
Speaker 2: disliked what he had to say this se is a
Speaker 2: kill a lawn, kill a lawn in a debate.
Speaker 5: It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of
Speaker 5: Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in
Speaker 5: our country, because.
Speaker 2: You'd be in jail. It just this sort of It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's a serious punch or a heavy punch.
Speaker 2: The way you got to fight back, you cop one
Speaker 2: and then you delivered too. Well, of course he won
Speaker 2: that election. It doesn't matter what the margin, It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter which stayed and all. He won right, absolutely, two
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy electoral votes. America wanted to change. It
Speaker 2: had a rocky four years and again I'm going to
Speaker 2: brush over everything from Russia Russia to COVID responses and
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. But then, of course, the
Speaker 2: bloke who was able to push him out of office, well,
Speaker 2: he didn't have to run for office, did he. He
Speaker 2: was in the basement thanks to the results of what
Speaker 2: had got out of control in China when it came
Speaker 2: to the coronavirus, and Biden ended up basically reversing the
Speaker 2: fortunes and won by about the same margin that Trump
Speaker 2: had done four years earlier. We know that Trump didn't
Speaker 2: accept the results, and in part because of how he
Speaker 2: didn't accept those results, an incredible further moment of history.
Speaker 2: All of this in the past ten years. Remember when
Speaker 2: there was a mug shot, the first ever mugshot of
Speaker 2: a former president. This of course was in Georgia, connected
Speaker 2: with a case that eventually went away about plans to
Speaker 2: change the twenty twenty result. And then of course he
Speaker 2: was off the court. And I think this was a
Speaker 2: ludicrous case. Remember he was essentially being found guilty of
Speaker 2: a bookkeeping offense, but they didn't bring the bookkeeper in
Speaker 2: to prove the offense because the bookkeeper had clearly proven
Speaker 2: that it wasn't an offense. But still remember remember how
Speaker 2: people had thought this guy, Okay, yes he's back as
Speaker 2: the nominee, but there's no way this guy could win.
Speaker 9: This was a rigged, disgraceful trial that the real verdict
Speaker 9: is going to be November by the people, and they
Speaker 9: know what happened here.
Speaker 2: But this history was not over. As you know where
Speaker 2: this is going, but it goes via one of the
Speaker 2: most extraordinary things any of us who care about politics
Speaker 2: have ever seen, which was the then sitting president of
Speaker 2: the United States too, we all know, and up to
Speaker 2: it when he was campaigning from the basement, just melting
Speaker 2: before the world's eyes. Oh, first it was a flu,
Speaker 2: then he was tired from travel, and then of course
Speaker 2: eventually people write best selling books that he was never
Speaker 2: up to it, that he was crumbling behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: And even before we get to he wins the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four election, he was shot at not just once
Speaker 2: but twice, including live on TV.
Speaker 5: That's a little bit old shot that shots a couple
Speaker 5: of months old.
Speaker 8: And if you want to really see something that said,
Speaker 8: take a look at what happened.
Speaker 2: July fourteen last year. This has all happened in the
Speaker 2: past ten years, all as a result of coming down
Speaker 2: the escalator to enter into a primary that few thought
Speaker 2: that he would be able to win. Of course, after
Speaker 2: Biden had melted down after the assassination, they changed the candidate.
Speaker 2: And even though Donald Trump performed like this in the
Speaker 2: one and only debate which they had two the first
Speaker 2: debate with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 8: In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in,
Speaker 8: They're eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets
Speaker 8: of the people that live there.
Speaker 2: He won again, the second only time in American history
Speaker 2: the a president had one lost and won again.
Speaker 4: The Fox News Decision Desk can now officially project that
Speaker 4: Donald Trump will become the forty seventh president of the
Speaker 4: United States.
Speaker 2: All of that has happened in the past ten years
Speaker 2: because a decade ago tonight, the Great Man came down
Speaker 2: the Golden escalator and nothing was ever the same again.
Speaker 2: Which brings me to a pole of Australians that came
Speaker 2: out today. Ah do I say it's left leaning. Some
Speaker 2: of the results are, but they're pretty straight down the line.
Speaker 2: The Low Institute poll came out today and it has
Speaker 2: yet again shown what I am deeply concerned about, which
Speaker 2: is because people don't like Donald Trump in Australia. In fact,
Speaker 2: the majority. I don't know that upsets some people, but
Speaker 2: you can just got to tell the truth. Those of
Speaker 2: us that are at the very least Trump literate or
Speaker 2: pro Trump, are aware of why he's good or all
Speaker 2: in or magahat wearing right. That is not the majority
Speaker 2: of Australians. But it always scares me about the number
Speaker 2: of Australians who compare China and the United States and
Speaker 2: don't see a vast difference in between those two countries.
Speaker 2: In fact, when asked about which country would act responsibly
Speaker 2: when it comes to dealing with the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: How a look at this. Sixty four percent of people
Speaker 2: in Australia don't trust the United States. Now, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a lower number than China, which is almost eighty percent.
Speaker 2: But put simply, the majority of Australians don't trust either
Speaker 2: China or the United States. How hardcore is that because
Speaker 2: we certainly know that even if we like or don't
Speaker 2: know the personality of a president of the United States,
Speaker 2: we certainly know that one is about freedom and one
Speaker 2: is very much not when it comes to and this
Speaker 2: is the shocking bit, the lower report of Australians which
Speaker 2: leader do you have confidence in? When it comes to
Speaker 2: world leaders, there is a one point difference between the
Speaker 2: lack of trust. By the way, so seventy one percent
Speaker 2: of people have little or no confidence in the Chinese president,
Speaker 2: seventy two percent have little or no confidence in the
Speaker 2: President of the United States. That's scary, Okay, that number
Speaker 2: is frightening to me because for obvious reasons, one imperfect
Speaker 2: as he clearly is, represents the side that we have
Speaker 2: fought two world wars with that we have been in
Speaker 2: lockstep because they represent freedom versus the other one that
Speaker 2: has slowly but surely burrowed away. To mean, the countries
Speaker 2: like Australia end up in a sort of fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty position when viewing those two people are unbelievable. Also
Speaker 2: a couple of interesting things inside this pole too. I
Speaker 2: don't think we're asking enough people a clear question about
Speaker 2: things like climate change or net zero. Well this is
Speaker 2: as close to that, but i'd love, you know, Newspole,
Speaker 2: Essential or somebody else, straight up questions about climate change,
Speaker 2: straight up questions about whether we should or shouldn't support
Speaker 2: the policy of net zero. Now, the three lines here,
Speaker 2: the dark blue, the light blue, and the red. The
Speaker 2: red says that until we're sure that global warming is
Speaker 2: really a problem, we should not take any steps. So
Speaker 2: that is in Australia fifteen percent. The light blue is
Speaker 2: the problem of global warming should be addressed, but its
Speaker 2: effects wibly be gradual, so we need to deal with
Speaker 2: the problem gradually. That is thirty three percent. So obviously
Speaker 2: you can swing this in one direction or the other.
Speaker 2: But amazingly, according to this fifty one percent of Australians
Speaker 2: say the global warming is a serious, pressing problem. We
Speaker 2: should begin taking steps now, even if it involves significant costs.
Speaker 2: As for where we should get our energy from, ninety
Speaker 2: five percent of people think favorably that the major role
Speaker 2: should be of renewables, eighty nine percent of people say
Speaker 2: it for more than a majority. Sixty eight percent of
Speaker 2: people say that a major role should be there for coal,
Speaker 2: and sixty six percent a major role for nuclear. So
Speaker 2: help me out when it comes to the results of
Speaker 2: the federal election. That apparently what you know. Fifty one
Speaker 2: percent say I don't worry what the cost is of
Speaker 2: dealing with climate change, yet they are okay with basically
Speaker 2: all forms of power. But here's the big one. Both
Speaker 2: major parties in Australia committed to bringing Australia's national greenhouse
Speaker 2: gas emissions down in near zero by twenty fifty. This
Speaker 2: presents both costs and opportunities for the economy. On balance,
Speaker 2: do you think that achieving net zero would leave the
Speaker 2: Australian economy better off worse off? No difference thirty eight
Speaker 2: percent better off, thirty six percent worse off twenty three percent.
Speaker 2: It's the same, which perhaps is why people like our
Speaker 2: dear friend Matt Canavan and our dear friend Nicholas Reese
Speaker 2: can both be very confident that the majority of Australians
Speaker 2: are basically on their side when it comes to this question. Again,
Speaker 2: can Pole the essential pole the Resolve poll ask a
Speaker 2: straight question, do you support the goal of net zero?
Speaker 2: By right? Yes?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 2: Are you willing to pay for it? Yes?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Rather than again in a scenario here we're basically forty
Speaker 2: forty and twenty sitting around in the middle. Unbelievable. Now,
Speaker 2: I hate to say we told you so, but we
Speaker 2: told you so right, Whether you like it or not,
Speaker 2: A whole bunch of people choose to vape over smoking.
Speaker 2: We don't know what the long term effects are chemical wise,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be the
Speaker 2: same as for reduce for breakfast and going for a
Speaker 2: five k run every day. All right. I am not
Speaker 2: suggesting that this is a healthy option, but it is
Speaker 2: something clearly one hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people
Speaker 2: are involved in. But a stupid way of dealing with
Speaker 2: this problem rather than legalizing it, controlling what's in it,
Speaker 2: and yes, collecting tax off when it is sold, just
Speaker 2: like with other products people smoke. This federal government decided
Speaker 2: to pretend that they had a solution, which was to
Speaker 2: ban the sale of vapes all over the country, and
Speaker 2: the Health minister he had an even better idea, which
Speaker 2: was that if you wanted to get a vape, you couldn't.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't go to the convenience store, you wouldn't go
Speaker 2: to the tobacconist. You would go to the local chemist
Speaker 2: and they would then hand you over the device with
Speaker 2: which you would supplement your smoking with. And if you
Speaker 2: wanted to, you could say you're a pack of day
Speaker 2: and they give you a really strong one, or they
Speaker 2: give you lots of them. But guess what, Basically no
Speaker 2: one is availing themselves of this system. Details of the
Speaker 2: Therapeutic Goods Administration were obtained by the Daily Telegraph and
Speaker 2: it shows a disgraceful gap between the illegal stuff that
Speaker 2: still remains on sale at virtually every corner in the
Speaker 2: country and the government scheme, which again even chemists don't
Speaker 2: want to be involved with. More than five nine hundred
Speaker 2: pharmacists are in the country, but only seven hundred are
Speaker 2: willing to hold onto the vapes. Those that do are
Speaker 2: averaging just one legal vape sale every two or three days.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of vape people walking around, isn't there.
Speaker 2: The TGA also concedes the number of participating pharmacies may
Speaker 2: be inflated due to duplicate entries in the system. So
Speaker 2: what does that mean. Well, of course, as people continue
Speaker 2: to vape all over the country, the Albanezy government's vape
Speaker 2: scheme is in disarray, with new figures revealing just one
Speaker 2: in every sixteen hundred and eighty six vape sales excluding
Speaker 2: those involving prescriptions, occur legally through a pharmacy. This is
Speaker 2: and always has been a terrible idea, a terrible way
Speaker 2: of doing this. Now again, as a person who smokes
Speaker 2: legal tobacco paying through the nose when it comes to taxes,
Speaker 2: we know what the consequence is of trying to have
Speaker 2: this stupid idea. If we tax it out of existence,
Speaker 2: then somehow no one will be smoking. Well, guess what
Speaker 2: people are still smoking because they're buying the Chinese garbage
Speaker 2: from tobacconists, which is which are popping up in suburb
Speaker 2: after suburb, aff suburb after suburb. You can even buy
Speaker 2: them close to some state parliaments. According to some of
Speaker 2: the reporting that has been done by news organizations around
Speaker 2: the country. It is a ludicrous system that this government
Speaker 2: wants to pretend it has a solution to when the
Speaker 2: only obvious solution is to do exactly with vapes what
Speaker 2: has been done with tobacco. But may you not do
Speaker 2: exactly what you've done with tobacco where the taxes are
Speaker 2: so big, multi billion dollars, and the treasurer gets so
Speaker 2: lazy that they just keep putting it up and up
Speaker 2: and up, expecting that they will forever be able to
Speaker 2: break the back of smokers. The reality is that the
Speaker 2: black market is winning by a country mile when it
Speaker 2: comes to vapes, and it is now this close, if
Speaker 2: not already winning by a similar margin when it comes
Speaker 2: to legal tobacco, and both of which don't touch not
Speaker 2: good for your health, no question whatsoever. You are shortening
Speaker 2: your life by doing it legally vaping or illegally. But
Speaker 2: someone somewhere will one day wake up. But of course
Speaker 2: the lobby is so strong, so strong that finding anything
Speaker 2: other than these stupid schemes that people do not use
Speaker 2: that does not stop smoking but makes people feel good
Speaker 2: who want to bang on about smoking, Well, it's failing.
Speaker 2: Time for a rethink. Let's legalize control, get rid of
Speaker 2: the criminal element, and stop pretending that the place to
Speaker 2: buy a tobacco replacement is a freaking pharmacy where the
Speaker 2: extreme majority don't want to sell them because it's kind
Speaker 2: of against what they do here on Pulmurray Live, Nicolas Rees,
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan everything from net zero to a decade of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump ten years? Can you believe that what a
Speaker 2: privilege it has been to go through almost every one
Speaker 2: of those days in real time with you mort Sec.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's been to Brisbane or has watched an episode
Speaker 2: of Blue he knows where Mountcuther is beautiful part and
Speaker 2: the ability to look down over one of the great cities. Well,
Speaker 2: there's a plan to make the whole thing in eco
Speaker 2: tourism hotspot. Have a look at this. It looks like
Speaker 2: a bit of a space station. Apparently it is inspired
Speaker 2: by the Singapore Gardens, but Mountcuther. This is the plan
Speaker 2: for eco glamping, tree top walks upgraded Lookout from the
Speaker 2: Hill by the beloved Sorry blood by tourists.
Speaker 1: Eh.
Speaker 2: I like what's there now? And I like that it's nice.
Speaker 2: It looks like I was in Bluey there's lovely people
Speaker 2: who run the cafe. You can sit there and even
Speaker 2: have a chicken stitz all looking out at one of
Speaker 2: the great views of the world. I know that there's
Speaker 2: one bloke who I'm going to guess agrees with me,
Speaker 2: and another one who thinks the sky is blue? And
Speaker 2: why don't we do this in Melbourne. Let's be joined
Speaker 2: by them now, none other than Senator Matt Canavan, of course,
Speaker 2: joining us from Queensland and resplendent in his green jacket.
Speaker 2: What a fresh little one that is. Nicholas Rees, of course,
Speaker 2: the Lord Mayor of Melbourne. Lads, Hello, welcome, you're with me,
Speaker 2: Matt Kuther. Leave it the way it is. We don't
Speaker 2: need the you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love Matt Couth.
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised you ride your pushbike up there every
Speaker 7: time you're in Brisbane and Paul get up there and
Speaker 7: have a look at it.
Speaker 1: There's lots of people who do that.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm off and up there doing another show
Speaker 7: which I won't mention on your channel. But yeah, I
Speaker 7: love getting a coffee on the way home. That's great cafe.
Speaker 7: It's great as it is, as you say. I don't
Speaker 7: know why they don't need to do that. Do that
Speaker 7: stuff somewhere else where. It's which is not great. Matt
Speaker 7: Foth is already great.
Speaker 2: But again look we've got bigg and detailed things to
Speaker 2: get to. But this are we just knuckle dragers. Nick.
Speaker 2: You know, great tourism if you need great, Brisbane's got
Speaker 2: plenty of stuff to look out before building. What was
Speaker 2: that thing they had in Adelaide that if possible whatever
Speaker 2: it was, that sort of glass thing that was there
Speaker 2: back in the eighties. All right, what do we need
Speaker 2: this in Brisie?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, look, guys, I know you both love
Speaker 10: playing the crazy conservative contrarians, but now you're arguing against
Speaker 10: investment in region Australia.
Speaker 6: I just think about the position.
Speaker 10: Okayment jobs in regional Australia.
Speaker 6: You're arguing against it.
Speaker 7: Okay, you know that we've got to just want to
Speaker 7: create a concrete jungle.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful bush.
Speaker 6: Look and everyone male, good high quality jobs.
Speaker 2: Hold the presses. The Lord Mayor of Melbourne just said
Speaker 2: that Brisbane is in regional Australia.
Speaker 1: That through.
Speaker 2: You, all right, the Erry.
Speaker 1: What's the media in Melbourne?
Speaker 6: A cross the tweet region?
Speaker 1: We just do it can we do a fact check?
Speaker 7: Can we do a fact check in the ad break
Speaker 7: about the medium house price in Melvin versus the medium
Speaker 7: house price in Brisbane?
Speaker 1: Very good, point of god.
Speaker 2: All right, well enough, love, let's get to let's get
Speaker 2: the white people are here, right, they're in the front round.
Speaker 2: They want the ding ding, so let's get to it here.
Speaker 2: So the Nationals yet another conference held over the weekend
Speaker 2: about its policy future votes against net zero. The cheering
Speaker 2: you could hear was not because Matt's footy team was
Speaker 2: getting up on the weekend. It was because what he
Speaker 2: thinks is the good idea for the country was getting
Speaker 2: up in his party.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, I probably didn't cheer as loud as since
Speaker 7: the Broncos won the premiership back in two thousand and five.
Speaker 7: It's been a long time between drinks and I've been
Speaker 7: at this fight for a long time too, So look,
Speaker 7: I'm just happy we had a debate. We we haven't
Speaker 7: even about to have a debate in the joint part
Speaker 7: of on net zero on many of our state conferences.
Speaker 7: So good on the news of OL's Nationals Party for
Speaker 7: having that debate. Mainstein was a it was a tough thought,
Speaker 7: robust debate, that's how it should be, and don't the
Speaker 7: Australian people deserve a choice on this. This is a
Speaker 7: radical plan to completely change how we do everything, not
Speaker 7: just electricity. Sometimes we get hoodwinked into thinking net zero
Speaker 7: is just about putting some solar panels and batteries up.
Speaker 1: No it's not.
Speaker 7: It's about changing everything we do, from the food we
Speaker 7: grow to how we transport that food around the countryside.
Speaker 7: And we're seeing every country trying to do this is
Speaker 7: just ending up poorer as are we, And so don't
Speaker 7: we deserve a debate? And I think the Australian people
Speaker 7: deserve a choice. So I hope other states our parties
Speaker 7: do the same. Northern Territory just did the same as
Speaker 7: the use of L's Nationals. The Country Liberal Party there
Speaker 7: has dropped their support for net zero, So I think
Speaker 7: this is some dominoes now falling and hopefully the next
Speaker 7: election we can have a contest on this craziness.
Speaker 2: Certainly getting back to where the low Institute was, and
Speaker 2: again I know parts of it lean a little left,
Speaker 2: but still right. Thirty eight percent better off because of
Speaker 2: the net zero commitment. Thirty six percent say we're worse off.
Speaker 2: As a result, basically the middle is turning around going
Speaker 2: oh okay that basically it's the same. What does it
Speaker 2: say to you again? Again, I'm happy for the debate, right,
Speaker 2: we'll find out where the country is, but even interesting
Speaker 2: in that kind of left leaning polling that basically we're
Speaker 2: talking forty forty twenty.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I think this is an absolutely terrible decision.
Speaker 1: That's before we have the debate.
Speaker 10: Well, Nick, Well, I mean, I look, this is clearly
Speaker 10: and absolutely to that.
Speaker 6: Now that's okay.
Speaker 10: I mean, this is clearly provably a terrible decision by
Speaker 10: the NATS and it shows that they are not ready
Speaker 10: to govern in New South Wales and the New South
Speaker 10: walest Liberal Party needs to be absolutely clear and categorical
Speaker 10: that they would not govern in coalition with a National
Speaker 10: Party that doesn't share a commitment to zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 10: And I think politically, and put aside the terrible public
Speaker 10: policy here, politically it's terrible.
Speaker 6: For the NATS and the coalition as well.
Speaker 10: Like this is you know in the cupboard, pulled out
Speaker 10: the crazy pills and they've just sort of swallowed the
Speaker 10: whole jar.
Speaker 6: I mean, the next.
Speaker 10: I know, you've got absolutely I know how badly thumped,
Speaker 10: I know how badly thumped the last federal election.
Speaker 1: But always not lost.
Speaker 10: All is not lost if you remain a sensible centrist,
Speaker 10: center right government and not lurch to the Trump extremes.
Speaker 6: Of politics, the next election is winnable.
Speaker 10: Well, it is Trump policy showing the Australian people that
Speaker 10: you're not ready to govern, that you're just not ready
Speaker 10: to go.
Speaker 7: Can I jump in before you both respond here, Paul,
Speaker 7: maybe I was I was being I was being far
Speaker 7: too optimistic.
Speaker 1: That would get an actual debate.
Speaker 7: Instead, we just got a rant from Nick and again
Speaker 7: saying that somehow it's anathema for anyone.
Speaker 1: You can't have a view against zero, you're out.
Speaker 7: You're ostracized from polite society, according to the Labor Party
Speaker 7: for doing that, because they cannot argue for the actual issue.
Speaker 7: They cannot argument what a sensible argument for why we
Speaker 7: should shut down our coal industries, our cold five power
Speaker 7: stations which are powering coal and gas powering ninety five
Speaker 7: percent of Queensland right now we should shut those things
Speaker 7: down but still export the coal and gas the rest
Speaker 7: of the world. They can't answer that question about how
Speaker 7: that makes any sense. So instead of arguing the issue,
Speaker 7: they immediately go.
Speaker 1: To the invective.
Speaker 7: You're Trump, You're crazy, your crazy pills, all this stuff.
Speaker 7: As I tried to say just before Tony Blair about
Speaker 7: a month ago, Tony Blair, the former UK Prime minister,
Speaker 7: the Labor Prime minister, called net zero irrational.
Speaker 1: Sus is not Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: This is for large parts of the world are waking
Speaker 7: up to the fact that this target is unachievable and
Speaker 7: trying to achieve it, though is costing an arm and
Speaker 7: a leg. And I don't think this trained people deserve
Speaker 7: how the burden placed on them.
Speaker 2: So Nick, I just want to ask you, right, not
Speaker 2: necessarily to respond in all of what Matt just said, right,
Speaker 2: although if you want to feel free, but what I
Speaker 2: think sums a lot of people, right, which is, there's
Speaker 2: the fundamentals here, right, Australia one percent of the global
Speaker 2: emissions problem. One percent, right, So the plan is for
Speaker 2: us to do at the moment forty three percent of
Speaker 2: one percent of the world's problem. Okay, the push on
Speaker 2: for whatever the twenty thirty five target might end up
Speaker 2: getting us towards fifty five, sixty five, seventy five whatever.
Speaker 2: Let's even imagine one hundred it's one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: one percent of the world's problems and China is able
Speaker 2: to wipe that out in sixteen days. So, Nikkot, what
Speaker 2: point as a person who yes wants the action, says
Speaker 2: we need to be part of the global all the
Speaker 2: rest of it, right, But at what point does the
Speaker 2: left actually recognize that even if we did everything, we're
Speaker 2: not going to change the weather in Australia.
Speaker 6: So this is not the left, Paul.
Speaker 10: This is science and engineering and every country doing its bit,
Speaker 10: and Australia can not only do its bit, it can excel.
Speaker 10: We are a renewable superpower in this country, Paul. We
Speaker 10: have huge amounts of wind and solar and we have
Speaker 10: great technological and innovative industries who are ready to go
Speaker 10: to build Australia as a green power superpower. So we
Speaker 10: should be embracing that future, not running away from it,
Speaker 10: seeing that this is an opportunity to create national advantage
Speaker 10: for our nation, and you know, to be trying to
Speaker 10: deny that, to try and turn Australia backwards.
Speaker 6: I just can't understand that.
Speaker 10: Ultimately, Mattter, I think you're letting down regional communities with
Speaker 10: the arguments you're making.
Speaker 7: Manick Nick, you haven't got the memo that language just
Speaker 7: used about year out of day. The Labor Party used
Speaker 7: to say we're going to be a green superpower, going
Speaker 7: to be a green export superpower. They don't say that
Speaker 7: anymore because hydrogen has been a complete dud. I can
Speaker 7: take you down the road just one hundred odd k's
Speaker 7: down the road from where I am now, and we
Speaker 7: gave Twiggy Forest forty four million dollars. We've ended up
Speaker 7: with a shed for it. We've got a shed because
Speaker 7: he's walked away from the hydrogen and we're not going
Speaker 7: to get those jobs that we were promised by the
Speaker 7: Labor Party a few years ago and hydrogen. Luckily, the
Speaker 7: coal mines are still going strong, but there is no
Speaker 7: hydrogen market out there. There's nothing that's going to be
Speaker 7: out there anytime soon. We just saw last week that
Speaker 7: the latest analysis shows that hydrogen is still costing eight
Speaker 7: times the cost of natural gas in the US.
Speaker 1: This is not.
Speaker 7: Working and the reality is starting to come in now
Speaker 7: and the sooner we therefore recognize that reality, the lot
Speaker 7: less costly will be for austrains and drop this tied
Speaker 7: talking points and rhetoric that is not based on much
Speaker 7: more than hot air.
Speaker 10: Again, you'll look a guy sitting around in nineteen eighty
Speaker 10: typing away and your typewriter, saying, these PCs will never
Speaker 10: take off. The PC last week and it crashed, and
Speaker 10: what a failure that is. Well, the PC, the computer
Speaker 10: age will never come catching the train sitting up a
Speaker 10: new typewriter factory. We're going to give government money to
Speaker 10: build a new typewriter factory here in our town.
Speaker 6: That's what you're saying. Now.
Speaker 7: Act, we've we've been backing hydrogen for decades. It hasn't worked.
Speaker 7: Talking about the ninety eighties. In the ninety eighties, Job
Speaker 7: Corpedison stood in front of an xd Ford fairlo and said,
Speaker 7: the hydrogen car is here right in front of your eyes.
Speaker 7: It didn't work. And the old saying goes with hydrogens
Speaker 7: just twenty years away, it's just always been twenty years away.
Speaker 7: And that's being proven again. As I say, you don't
Speaker 7: see the Federal Labor Party talk about hydrogen anymore. They
Speaker 7: didn't mention in the campaign. Nick, you just haven't caught
Speaker 7: up with that. That's fine, because you don't live and
Speaker 7: breathe that like I do up here because we've had
Speaker 7: tens of millions, hundreds of millions actually wasted up here
Speaker 7: in Central and North Queensland on this pipe dream that
Speaker 7: we would somehow have hydrogen jobs. No one's employed in
Speaker 7: the hydrogen industry anymore, there's no one there. There's a
Speaker 7: lot of people employed in the coal industry and there's
Speaker 7: record demand for that coal, So why don't we invest
Speaker 7: in that and become wealthy as a country again?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Thank you lads, neck Can I use this incredible privilege
Speaker 2: of being able to be across the entire country incident
Speaker 2: all the rest of it right to say to my
Speaker 2: daughter Zadi and my other daughter Asher, go to bed,
Speaker 2: all right. I know it's late and it's fun to
Speaker 2: watch that on TVAB it's time to go to bed,
Speaker 2: all right. And also just to remind you that we're
Speaker 2: all linked, regardless of our political opinions or our point
Speaker 2: in life. My wife has reminded me tonight is read midnight,
Speaker 2: so see we're all in the same place eventually, more
Speaker 2: in a secure on pre Worrick life.
Speaker 1: Love your girls, all.
Speaker 2: Right, quick hits with the lads here about plenty of
Speaker 2: news that roand Nicholas rece of course, Lord Merrior, Melbourne
Speaker 2: and Queens a Senator Nationals who his bootstraps and under
Speaker 2: the wonderful Matt Canavan, who by the way, big fan
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Speaker 2: Thank you, great man. I do appreciate it all. Right. Now,
Speaker 2: let's talk about this vaping stuff, right, and particularly the
Speaker 2: nonsense of this chemist system that clearly is a joke
Speaker 2: nobody's involved with. You know what, One in sixteen hundred
Speaker 2: vape sales come through this sort of legal method. The
Speaker 2: rest of it's clearly going nuts. So Nicholas, what is
Speaker 2: the solution here? Because yes, in a perfect world, we
Speaker 2: can all pretend no one's going to do it anymore,
Speaker 2: but they're going to do it. So that's why I
Speaker 2: say legalize it, control it and tax it like they
Speaker 2: do the other stuff that people do.
Speaker 10: Well, look, it's not working as it should at the moment.
Speaker 10: I think we can all see that there is a
Speaker 10: preponderance of vape shops across the country. Seems that when
Speaker 10: you walk down some high streets. Every second or third
Speaker 10: shop is a vape shop, and yet apparently what they're
Speaker 10: doing is not legal in Australia. So something is not
Speaker 10: working in the regulatory arrangements there. I know the Commonwealth
Speaker 10: has promised more resource for enforcement.
Speaker 6: That sounds like a good step to me.
Speaker 10: I do agree that prohibition is a difficult thing to do,
Speaker 10: particularly when the rest of the world is not doing that,
Speaker 10: and so yes, I think looking at a tougher regulatory
Speaker 10: arrangement but not a prohibition, is probably something that deserves examination.
Speaker 6: I mean, I hate vapes.
Speaker 10: I think they're awful, but I don't know that sort
Speaker 10: of prohibition and the sort of chemist scheme that we've
Speaker 10: got operating at the moment is working.
Speaker 2: It's just so embarrassing. Mat Again again, one of the
Speaker 2: five minutes to midnight policy things that nobody really paid
Speaker 2: attention to, but certainly that was really interesting out of
Speaker 2: the Coalition in part of its costings at the last election,
Speaker 2: was legalize and tax vapes. Right now, again, we have
Speaker 2: this scenario where you know, certain drugs, if you have
Speaker 2: possession of them in certain parts of the country, it's
Speaker 2: not a crime. But if you buy a vape from
Speaker 2: the wrong place, the selling of it. Again, I don't
Speaker 2: want to go full libertarian here, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: do what you want, let's just tax everything. But clearly
Speaker 2: the chemist thing is a joke, right man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, look on with you.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't recommend vaping yourself some of those stakes from
Speaker 7: your sponsors that would be much better hit than a vape.
Speaker 7: But look, it's a file policy. As you say, all
Speaker 7: it's doing now is funding organized crime. And what I
Speaker 7: worry the most. It's always hard to tell, of course,
Speaker 7: but creating these both the vape market and the illegal
Speaker 7: tobacco market fueled by high exercises, is creating a massive
Speaker 7: line of business for organized crime. But they then reinvest
Speaker 7: into other lines of business of crime, leading to more
Speaker 7: car theft and all these other things that are going
Speaker 7: on and seem to a balloon. So I think there
Speaker 7: is a connection there, and I do think the liberal
Speaker 7: national policy was just a sensible one. It's not full
Speaker 7: blow and libertaria. I'm not saying legalize everything, it's just
Speaker 7: saying that, Look, we've obviously made a decision that you
Speaker 7: can vape because you're allowed to buy them out from pharmacies.
Speaker 7: But the pharmacies don't want to sell them. They sell
Speaker 7: a really restricted array of vapes, and so people are
Speaker 7: still going to the legal market. So look, now that
Speaker 7: we actually do legally sell vapes, why don't we just
Speaker 7: do it like cigarettes and put it behind a cabinet,
Speaker 7: don't advertise obviously, get rid of all anything that's marketed
Speaker 7: towards kids or fairy phloss flavors yet one hundred percent stuff,
Speaker 7: and just be sensible about it.
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Now, next couple of days, we know there's
Speaker 2: of course going to be the meeting between our Prime
Speaker 2: minister and the United States President. Now we also know
Speaker 2: that the media is going to be more focused on
Speaker 2: the body language than anything that is actually said or done.
Speaker 2: We also know that it's not going to be a
Speaker 2: contankerous meeting. Why because generally speaking, when two world leaders
Speaker 2: get close enough to each other, the politeness and the cuddles.
Speaker 2: So I always sort of think some of the expectations
Speaker 2: around this stuff gets a little bit weird. You're not
Speaker 2: going to solve the world's problems or start World War
Speaker 2: three on the side of the main meeting. But what
Speaker 2: would you hope comes out of it here?
Speaker 7: Matt, Look, I think Joe hah Hockey summed it up
Speaker 7: really well, showed way such a good ambassador when he
Speaker 7: said that, Look, he hopes our Prime minister starts the
Speaker 7: meeting by saying, what can I.
Speaker 1: Do to help?
Speaker 7: I mean the United States, I think does need some
Speaker 7: help from its friends right now.
Speaker 1: Country.
Speaker 7: It's got massive debt, it's had a couple of decades
Speaker 7: of relatively stagnant economic performance, and it's trying to take
Speaker 7: on the as usual, the burden of being the policeman
Speaker 7: of the world right now with all the conflicts around there.
Speaker 7: So look, it's a good friend an ally, we should
Speaker 7: be trying to help them as much as we can.
Speaker 7: I thought Anthony Alberanesi's juvenile and petulant response a couple
Speaker 7: of weeks ago to the request to lift our defense
Speaker 7: spending it was not worthy of an Australian Prime minister.
Speaker 7: He called the Secretary Headsets considered speech in Singapore a
Speaker 7: comment and then went on a rant about how we're
Speaker 7: a sovereign nation. Well, of course for a sovereign nation,
Speaker 7: but we've actually only kept our sovereignty by having strong
Speaker 7: friends in the Bloc, and we need those strong friends
Speaker 7: now more than ever. So look, I just hope that
Speaker 7: a spirit of cooperation comes out, that we are friends, let's.
Speaker 1: Try and work together.
Speaker 7: We might not be able to lift our defense spending
Speaker 7: to three and a half percent of GDP, but we
Speaker 7: should give it a worthy consideration if the United States
Speaker 7: thinks that's what we can do to help the Alliance,
Speaker 7: to help our region and ultimately help the world stay
Speaker 7: as peaceful and prosperous as we can.
Speaker 2: But again, you know, Nicholas, majority of people don't like
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in this country. Obviously, you know Albanezi was
Speaker 2: able to leverage that in part of how things played
Speaker 2: out at the election. But if I have to choose
Speaker 2: the leader of the world, I don't want it to
Speaker 2: be China. I want it to be the United States.
Speaker 2: And that means whoever the occupant of that office is,
Speaker 2: whether they are the living corpse of Biden or the
Speaker 2: you know, current occupant, Donald Trump. I want us to
Speaker 2: have the best possible relationship, which means I think they
Speaker 2: can get I think they will probably find some way
Speaker 2: to interpersonally get along. But as a person who's a
Speaker 2: long term Trump skeptic, let me put it that way.
Speaker 2: Are you hoping that lefty Albow gets in there and
Speaker 2: just gives him a couple of truth bombs, says something nasty,
Speaker 2: justinder our durn style at the lect turned you know,
Speaker 2: what's the lefty in you, you know, really wanting out
Speaker 2: at this moment? What do you want, Nicholas?
Speaker 10: As you know, Paul, I'm on the Sensible Center straight
Speaker 10: Talk Express here in Melbourne these days and.
Speaker 2: I read your interview with Benefit Zono.
Speaker 10: I think, yes, I think that I think that the
Speaker 10: alliance with the United States has served Australia very well,
Speaker 10: and I think it has served the United States.
Speaker 6: Very well as well.
Speaker 10: And I think that powerful reminder of mutual interest and
Speaker 10: common values and belief in democracy is something that Albanezi
Speaker 10: should speak to. And yeah, you know, we are allies
Speaker 10: and the idea of saying, as Joe Hockey is suggesting,
Speaker 10: how can we help is probably a sensible start. I mean,
Speaker 10: of course, the big worry is which Donald Trump is
Speaker 10: going to turn up? Like we're going to see the
Speaker 10: Donald Trump who turned up for the phone call with
Speaker 10: President g from China the other day, where you know,
Speaker 10: by the end of the exchange, Donald Trump was off
Speaker 10: to China, or we're going to see the Donald Trump
Speaker 10: who turned up to the meeting with the Canadian Prime
Speaker 10: series probably closest our load the Canadian Prime Minister Mark
Speaker 10: Carney or Zelenski, where things just go totally off the rails.
Speaker 6: We don't know, and so.
Speaker 10: That's what's so compelling about Donald Trump and the whole
Speaker 10: Donald Trump era. Doesn't matter what you think about him,
Speaker 10: you can't look away. And one thing we can all
Speaker 10: agree on is Donald Trump's been very good for Sky
Speaker 10: News and in fact every TV news network in the
Speaker 10: world because we all just don't know what's going to
Speaker 10: help with others.
Speaker 2: Oath, kenn Oath, but unlike most, we at least give
Speaker 2: him the benefit of the doubt. All right, thank you, lad,
Speaker 2: still appreciate it. We'll see you again very soon. Matt
Speaker 2: Canavan and Nicholas Rees quick break back with more and
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