WEBVTT - Peter Dutton’s big Queensland energy 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:01.960 Jason. Hey, it's Ruby. 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:02.080 Ye. 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:05.360 Ruby, it's great to finally hear your voice and see 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:05.920 you in person. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.360 It's so nice to be back, and I'm really excited 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.960 to work with you. I've been admiring a journalism for 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.920 a long time and I'm looking forward to this well. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.560 I've been a devoted listener and it's great to be 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:18.119 working with you. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:23.120 Thank you. So let's get started. From Schwartz Media. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.080 I'm Ruby Jones, back from maternity leave and this is 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:34.320 seven am. One thing that has surprised people this year 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.560 is how often Peter Dutton has been able to wrong 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.319 foot labor. According to staffers, a key part of this 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.600 is the fact that Dutton is from Queensland and no 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.440 Liberal leader has ever come from the state. With Queensland 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.559 going to an election in October, the state campaign is 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.360 now a testing ground for a new kind of politics 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.240 Dutton is planning to bring to the federal campaign. Today 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.639 special correspondent for The Today paper Jason cottsukus on how 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.800 Dutton plans to make youth crime an election issue and 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.759 whether Australia is ready to look more like Queensland. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.200 That's coming up. It's Monday, the fifteenth of July. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.240 Jason, this week you've been looking into the way events 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.360 in Queensland informing Peter Dutton's vision for his party and 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.680 for the country. Queensland is right now in the middle 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.600 of an election campaign, So tell me what the election 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:42.440 is being fought on. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.920 So the Queensland election will be on October twenty six, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:47.800 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:54.040 This election is for our state. This election is for Queenslanders. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.520 And the state opposition leader David Chrisp fully has identified 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.240 four key issues. Is that he intends to fight this 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.720 election on cost of living crisis, a health crisis, the 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.680 housing crisis and what the Liberal National Party in Queensland 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.640 is calling the youth crime crisis. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.279 Friends of youth crime crisis has changed the way Queensland 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.400 has lived their life. Our faith in the safety of 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.000 our community has been shaken. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.760 So youth crime has become a huge issue in Queensland 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.040 and the narrative has kind of been built around a 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.880 number of quite serious, very high profile crimes committed by 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.919 miners in Queensland in the past few years. In February 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.760 this year, a seventy year old great grandmother named Violin 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.320 White was allegedly attacked by a group of five teenagers 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.640 in a supermarket car park and stabbed to death while 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.080 she was shopping with a six year old girl. There 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.640 was also the case of Emma Lovell, a forty one 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.240 year old woman who was abbed after a violent home 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.200 invasion on Boxing Day in twenty twenty two, and a 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.800 year earlier, a seventeen year old boy driving a stolen 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.720 car ran over a couple and killed them, and the 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:19.480 woman was pregnant at the time. So I think those 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.880 three crimes have created a lot of community concern. It's 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.720 something that David Christoph fully has quite successfully latched onto 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.560 at the Allen p State convention last weekend. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.800 The youth crime crisis keeps getting worse under Labor. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.440 This was the very much a focus of both his 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.000 address to the Party Faithful and Peter Dutton's address the 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:43.680 day before. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.800 When a young person turns eighteen, they stop offending. They 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.200 know that depending on which side of Aideen they are, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.360 there will be different consequences. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:58.520 Rob and David Christoph fully unveiled a policy. This is 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.520 I guess he's one of his market policies as we 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:06.640 head towards the election, that youth offenders committing adult crimes 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.400 should receive adult equivalent sentences. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.680 Today I announced we will restore consequences for actions for 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.920 young criminals, adult crime, adult time. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:29.240 He's calling it adult time for adult crime. While Queenslanders 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.760 believe that the majority of crime is being committed by children, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.599 that isn't born out in the facts. And the main 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.880 thing that's making the community unsafe is is domestic violence. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.560 This is men harming women and children in their homes. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.440 But instead of focusing on that issue, both parties in 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.440 Queensland are running on youth crime. This is a really 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:59.160 crucial state election campaign, not just for Queenslanders but for 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.320 the Liberal Party because if David CHRISTA. Foley wins as expected, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.600 he'll be the first mainland Liberal premier in the country. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.400 And I'm sure that if David Christofoley wins, it's going 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.040 to give Peter Dutton a lot of confidence as we 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.080 go to a federal election expected around May next year. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.679 Okay, So Peter Dutton was famously a police officer before 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.920 he became a politician, so being tough on crime is. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.719 Very much part of his rhetoric. It always has been. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.040 Can you tell me specifically about some of the things 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.400 that we've heard from him in the past about youth crime. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.200 Well, I think right from the moment that Peter Dutton 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.240 entered Parliament Federal Parliament in two thousand and one, crime 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.120 LAURA and order have been staples of his public comments. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.719 I often say to people that as a police officer, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.440 I've seen the best and the worst that society has 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:53.880 to offer. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.480 He also didn't hesitate to speak out on more kind 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.800 of state based crime issues. In twowenty eighteen, the death 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.479 of a South Sudanese teenager in Melbourne's CBD was, according 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.279 to Peter Dutton, indicative of a major laura or a 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:14.200 problem Victoria. He also said that Victorians were too frightened 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.000 to go out to restaurants because of the problem surrounding 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:18.479 African gang violence. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.640 Now people are scared to go out to restaurants at 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.000 nighttime because they're followed home by these gangs. Home invasions 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.520 and cars are stolen and which need to cause what 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.360 it is, of course of the African gang violence. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.320 In May he announced a couple of initiatives that one 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.479 of those was he criminalized you know, showing off of 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:36.960 crimes on social media. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.159 We want to give the new Safety Commissioner the power 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.039 to pull content down, so the videos or the photos 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.760 can be pulled down. Secondly, we want to make an 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.719 offense to post them, and we want to stop people 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.600 using social media as a penalty and the technology. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.520 He also said that he would keep the age of 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.839 criminal responsibility at ten years old. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.200 If children at that age who are ten or twelve 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.240 years of age out stealing cars and involved in crime, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.400 if they know and they can work out pretty quickly 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.840 there's no penalty that they're facing, then they're just encouraged 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.600 to continue that life of crime. And that's not what 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:16.960 you want. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.000 When we talk about Peter Dutton, we don't just say 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.040 that he was a former police officer. It's always somehow 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.160 that he's a former Queensland copper. And I think that 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.440 does also remind us that Peter Duttany is the first 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.720 leader of the Federal Coalition who wasn't from Sydney or Melbourne, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.000 and I think his Queensland identity is really starting to 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.760 show in the way that he's leading the Federal Coalition 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.560 and the policy directions that he's taking them on. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.040 Jason Peter Dutton, we all know, began his working life 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.920 as a police officer in Queensland, He's now the first 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.960 Federal Coalition leader who doesn't come from either Sydney or Melbourne. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.760 So how should we think about this. How does being 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.960 from Queensland impact the way that Dunne works and what 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:16.840 he focuses on. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.320 Well, I think Ruby, the thing about being a leader 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.840 of the Federal Coalition from Melbourne or Sydney means you're 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.000 probably more in tune with some of the Liberal Party's 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:33.320 biggest traditional supporters, and that is Corporate Australia. But being 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.400 from Queensland means it gives you more license to follow 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.000 policies that aren't necessarily the sort of things that the 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.559 big business would want. The most prominent anti business establishment 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:49.000 platform that Peter Dutton spoke from was his opposition to 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.400 the Voice referendum last year. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.520 I think there are debates that Corporate Australia should be 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.800 involved in, and at the moment I don't think they're 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.040 paying due consideration to the views of their workforce. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.760 Corporate Australia was very much behind the Voice referendum, the 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:14.280 Yes campaign and Peter Dutton was diametrically opposed to the 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:19.559 Voice and Peter Dutton's No campaign and the substantial victory 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.160 that the no campaign had. I think that gave him 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.920 the confidence to say, well, I can go against what 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.280 corporate Australia wants and campaigns for and still win. And 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.840 he's used that experience to pursue other things that big 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.839 business doesn't like. One policy that he announced just this 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:42.360 month was this idea that if supermarkets like Cole's and 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:47.199 Woolies and West Farmers which owns the Bunnings hardware franchise, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.560 if they're getting too powerful and misusing their market power, 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.080 then Peter Dutton is saying he's going to force them 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.320 to divest some of their businesses. And this idea that 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.800 the government would intervene into the market and force a 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.880 need to sell off parts of its business. This does 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.520 go against what the Liberal Party stands for. Peter Dutton's 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:11.679 plan for incorporating nuclear energy into our national energy mix. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.480 He's also raising eyebrows inside the Liberal Party because Peter 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.480 Dutton is saying that he's not going to leave it 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.000 to the market to provide nuclear power. He's going to 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.360 not only intervene into the market, but the Commonwealth would 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.040 own the whole nuclear power supply chain. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.080 I don't want the lights to go out. I want 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.079 them to be reliable power. I want pensions to be 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.440 able to pay their bills and turn the air conditioning 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.840 on to get through winter. I want to make sure 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.800 that businesses can grow here, not close and move to 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.679 Malaysia or somewhere else in Ontario. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.240 Peterduton wants people to see him as someone who is 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.240 aligned with the interests of small business, not big business. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.040 And the more that he does that, Peter Dutton believes, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.440 the more chance he has of becoming Prime Minister next year. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.280 Right, so, it sounds like, at least at this moment 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.360 in time, this approach of ignoring some of the corporate 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.120 agenda is working for Dunton. 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.680 I suppose The question is how far. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.560 He can take this given the factions within his own 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.320 party and the desires of the traditional base of the coalition. 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.079 Well so, the kinds of policies that Peter Dunton has 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:19.240 been pursuing has left some long term observers of Liberal 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.960 Party politics like Judith Brett. She was a professor of 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.520 politics at the Trope University. She's spent much of her 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:31.720 life researching the Liberal Party. She says that she doesn't 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.640 really know what the Liberal Party stands for anymore. What 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.600 are the Liberal Party's core beliefs. In her view, the 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.840 Liberal Party is one of the great Australian political parties. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.400 It's a party that is there to really serve the 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:50.160 national interest, and she doesn't understand why the moderate faction 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.920 of the Liberal Party, these are people like Simon Birmingham 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.440 and Jane Hume, are letting Peter Dutton take the Liberal 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.480 Party off course. Then it shows that they must be 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.880 completely powerless inside the hearty room, and that their failure 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.760 to stand up for what are the Liberal Party's core 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.080 beliefs is really a symptom of the weakness of a 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.240 sensible center inside the Liberal Party at the moment. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.920 So if we talk a little bit more about if 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.000 and when the coalition might get into government, do you 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:25.720 think that this law and order agenda will translate on 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.240 a national level Competer Dutton win a federal election by 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:30.679 promising to be tough on crime. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.400 I mean, it's a really good question because when Peter 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.200 Dutton is talking about youth crime, he's signaling to young 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.560 parents and parents in out of suburban areas that he's 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.560 concerned about the issues that they're concerned about, and showing 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:48.920 that he's in sick with what their concerns are. Peter 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.240 Dutton has twenty one seats in Queensland, so he's got 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.800 Queensland locked up pretty well. But he also needs to 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.240 really win some of those inner suburban seats, the ones 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.360 that are held by the so called teals. This is 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.840 seats like Coo Young in Melbourne, went Worth in Sydney, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.440 Curtain Over in Perth. There's a lot of fund managers 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.720 who live in those seats and right now I don't 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.600 think pen Dutton is giving them a lot of reason 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.040 to vote for it. And at some point the Liberal 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.760 Party will have to win back those voters if they're 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.600 going to get into government. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.160 Jason, thank you so much for your time. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.800 Thanks Ruby, it's been an absolute pleasure talking with you. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:44.760 Likewise, also in the news today, Donald Trump has been 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.880 rushed from a stage at a political rally in Pennsylvania 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.199 in what is being investigated as an assassination attempt. Two 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.320 people are dead, including a suspected gunman. In video and 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.120 photo footage from the event, the former president can be 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.480 seen with blood his face as he was escorted off 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.520 the stage by secret service. Trump held his fist in 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.440 the air. President Biden has condemned the attack. Saying there's 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.120 no place in America for this kind of violence, and 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.520 Prime Minister Anthony Abernezi has said there is no legitimate 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.280 place in the labor movement for John Seca. Seca announced 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.480 his immediate resignation as the secretary of the Victorian branch 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.800 of the CFMEU late on Friday over explosive reports from 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.280 the Nine newspapers that senior biky figures and criminals have 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.920 infiltrated the union. The Victorian opposition has called for an 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.200 urgent investigation into the CFMEU. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.200 I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am. See you tomorrow.