WEBVTT - This Elizabeth Holmes Documentary Will Make You Question EVERYTHING

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky Lee and Tim on Nova.

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Isaacs is here too. From Sydney University and the

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<v Speaker 2>Film vs Film podcast, have you given our regards to

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<v Speaker 2>Jacinda Ardern yet?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not yet. I don't really go in. I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>research leave, so I stay away.

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<v Speaker 2>Just remember our faces when you leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for her. If I see her... I mention you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Say we love her and she's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try to get on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Just bring her in one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Friday, 24-10. Jacinda, if you're on the school run on

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<v Speaker 2>the Northern Beaches at the moment, give us a call.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is the documentary everyone is talking about. It's

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<v Speaker 2>at the movies. Now you can see everything. Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Oh, my God.

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<v Speaker 1>But also don't wreck it. Okay, so number one, my

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<v Speaker 1>caution to everyone is do not read anything and don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk to anyone about this before you see it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those movies that's going to generate

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<v Speaker 1>so much discussion. And if you're not in that discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you're going to miss out.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's it about first? Like, give us the backstory.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Holmes is very famous. Like, in some ways, really

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<v Speaker 1>impressive woman. She headed up a company called Theranos.

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<v Speaker 3>Theranos.

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<v Speaker 1>And they created....

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<v Speaker 3>She put on a deep voice and started saying things,

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<v Speaker 3>and Theranos, and Elizabeth Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>And dressed like Steve Jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her inspiration. And she's now an investigator for

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<v Speaker 1>fraud to the value of about $ 400 million. Right. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you pick up this movie, she's going into prison

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<v Speaker 1>in three months.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And Nathan Fielder, who people will know from the rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 1>He's amazing. He's this really unusual documentarian, right? And you

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<v Speaker 1>follow her. And I've got to say the level of

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<v Speaker 1>intimacy to her life, right? And her family and how

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<v Speaker 1>she feels. And the whole thing is about, can I

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<v Speaker 1>really know what's going on? Can I trust anyone? And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's Fielder's challenge. Like, do I trust her? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I get manipulated by her? And when you're watching it, like,

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<v Speaker 1>she's really charismatic. You know, it's great to watch her,

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<v Speaker 1>but constantly you're thinking, like, what the hell is going

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<v Speaker 1>on in this movie? And for so many moments, I just,

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<v Speaker 1>I was with a buddy, Randall Kirvan, and just said,

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<v Speaker 1>the hell is going on here like why are these

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<v Speaker 1>people doing this this is so bizarre and just to

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<v Speaker 1>say people are talking that this might win a best

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<v Speaker 1>picture no documentary has been nominated for a best picture

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<v Speaker 1>before So.

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<v Speaker 2>The ripples this is causing... I feel they're changing the

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<v Speaker 2>rules of the Oscars a lot lately.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, well, they do that for all the things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's superhero movies now. There's 10 Best Picture nominations. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I say one other thing? After that movie, I

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<v Speaker 1>went with this buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a beer.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only thing we talked about for an hour

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<v Speaker 1>is this an ethical movie. So just to say, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've watched Nathan Fielder, he's like pushing the boundaries of

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do, right? Because sometimes you're watching and thinking... gee, Nathan,

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<v Speaker 1>that went a bit far, right? This whole movie's about

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<v Speaker 1>what if people just reveal themselves to me? What's my

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility to kind of be with them, to show them

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain way? And it's three hours long and

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like half an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just, it's zipping and it's so immersive.

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<v Speaker 3>In the lead up to this, because Rich and I

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<v Speaker 3>are very excited, we love Nathan Fielder and this whole

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<v Speaker 3>story has been incredible. And so we just watched The Dropout.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. Which is the Amanda Seyfried plays Elizabeth Holmes. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like, you know, tells the whole story

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've just been watching that and some other documentaries

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<v Speaker 3>and some news stories and some stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's exactly what I did as well.

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<v Speaker 2>In the lead up because we're so excited to see this.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to kind of refresh our brains about Theranos and

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<v Speaker 3>like the whole thing and the blood.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to know something about her before you go

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<v Speaker 1>into this movie. So I would say to people, don't

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<v Speaker 1>go in cold.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't not read anything. Okay, good.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to know who Elizabeth is. Elizabeth Holmes is

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<v Speaker 1>a super famous person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. So kind of selling an idea and a concept

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<v Speaker 3>and saying that this thing was going to be available,

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<v Speaker 3>but it had never actually come to fruition. This thing

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<v Speaker 3>that she was selling and actually like potentially really, really dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, in some ways you can't make this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff up, right? What she was doing. And just to

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<v Speaker 1>say in all the other Nathan Fielder, they're like pretty

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous people. We've never met them before. They're just regular

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<v Speaker 1>people like me.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Elizabeth Holmes. So now you're going into the

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<v Speaker 1>house of, imagine it was about Beyonce and you're just

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<v Speaker 1>watching this for three months as you go. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, now you can see everything. It's only at

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<v Speaker 2>the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>From Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, from Thursday. What about Turner on Amazon? Tuna. Tuna even.

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<v Speaker 1>Turner's good, but Tuna is amazing. Tuna. Tuna. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this guy called Leo Woodhall. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>guys saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's amazing, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't he brilliant?

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<v Speaker 1>He did a show called One Day a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also in the Anthony Bourdain film, Tony. Oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. I watched it and I thought the whole

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<v Speaker 2>time Anthony Bourdain would hate this so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you saying that when we talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about a guy who's got perfect pitch for

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<v Speaker 1>you musicians out there like Ricky. So he can, his

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<v Speaker 1>ear is unbelievable and he discovers he can open safes

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<v Speaker 1>because it magnifies sound to such a degree. And he

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<v Speaker 1>gets involved in this whole nefarious group who heist places.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fun part of it is it's a lovely...

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<v Speaker 1>story about also a relationship. He falls in love with

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<v Speaker 1>this pianist that he meets when he's tuning a piano.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's super cool and really spunky. So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this was like an amazingly fun movie for you to

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<v Speaker 1>check out on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is Tuner on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, and Leah Woodall is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hope I pronounce his next one right.

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<v Speaker 1>Locke?

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<v Speaker 2>Locke. Locke's on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>This was my favorite movie at the Sydney Film Festival

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<v Speaker 1>in 2014. which I know sounds ancient, but it's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>to see Amazon programming this. Try to imagine a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that's just set in a car, which this movie is. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole movie is about Tom Hardy, who just

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<v Speaker 1>makes phone calls for 90 minutes from his car.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. But stay with me. It's his best ever role.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love Tom Hardy, right? But this is his

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<v Speaker 1>best film. And the concept is he's a huge engineer, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And the next day, they are pouring a concrete slab

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<v Speaker 1>that's the largest in the history of Europe. He's overseeing it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that night, he needs to drive to this woman's

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<v Speaker 1>house because he's had an affair and he's got her pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my gosh. So, can I say this?

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<v Speaker 1>So, the intensity of being in real time with Tom Hardy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>In the car.

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<v Speaker 2>In the car.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the most amazing film. Please check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's Lock on Amazon. We've got Tuna.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuna.

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<v Speaker 2>On Amazon, not in the tin variety. And the movie

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's talking about are the movies from tomorrow. From tomorrow, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Check it out. Now you can see everything. Bruce, always

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<v Speaker 2>a pleasure. We'll see you next week. Amazing to see

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<v Speaker 2>you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ricky Lee and Tim.

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<v Speaker 1>Only on Nova.