1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Oh hello, welcome to healthy ishue your daily podcast from 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Body and Soul. I am your host of Felicity Harley. Now, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: are you into biohacking or do you watch with amusement 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: those tech billionaires doing bizarre things to boost their longevity. Well, 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: today we're going to help you buy a hack at home. Yes, 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: our guest is going to make it accessible for all 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: of us, whatever your budget. I'm joining the studio by buyer, 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: hacker and nutritionist Camilla Thompson. She's going to discuss the 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: lucy world of biohacking and how you can hack your 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: health on a budget. Now, if you do like what 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: you hear from Camilla, I know you will listening to 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Extra Healthy Ish, where she shares how she beat mold 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: toxicity with biohacks. You can grab our sister podcast, Extra 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Healthy Ish wherever you get your podcasts. Camilla, Welcome to 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: health Ish. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, it's lovely to be here. 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: You are radiating good health. 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: Well I should I should do in the job that 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm in there. Yeah, tell us a bit about that. 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: You're a biohacking coach. What do you do? What is biohacking? 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Fill us in? 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So biohacking is about taking control of your health, 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: so it's hacking your biology and your environment to achieve 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: better long term health outcomes. So really sort of looking 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: at your health span and wanting that to equal your 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: life span. So how many years are we going to 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: be independent and healthy and strong and that's our health span, 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: so really important to focus on that. Essentially, biohacking is 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: just evidence based hacks that we can integrate into our 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: lives to help us live well longer. 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting because you simplified in many ways, it's just 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: about living a healthy, full life for as long as 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: you can. But biohacking has a reputation that it's only 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: something for tech billionaires or very rich people. So talk 35 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: to us a bit about this and how the rest 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 1: of us can incorporate it into our daily lives without 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: dropping a bomb and going getting stem cell therapy and 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Bermuna or Mexico or tie or they do you know 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: they're extreme biohackers, Yes, don't they? 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: And look at has become elitists, I think, and that's 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: that's something I think, particularly in the Australian media as well, 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: there's been a real focus on the sort of the 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: tech billionaires, millionaires that seem to have a lot of 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: money and time on their hands, but also that connection 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: to the technology, which can polarize just us everyday people 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: who just want to find simple things to help us 47 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: feel better. So I think I'm here to hopefully bridge 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: that gap and bring some really simple, practical things that 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: people can do that have a big impact for longevity. 50 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: So really, I mean, it's semantics around the biohacking term, 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: isn't it, because it really is just optimizing your health 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: using science to optimize your health absolutely, yea, rather than 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: doing these extreme things. 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, or is that part of it as well? Look, 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: it's it's many things, and it's it's very similar to epigenetics, 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: so we're looking at how we can influence those genes 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: and what we turn on and off, and how that 58 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: is going to optimize our longevity and our health. So 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: there there's a whole spectrum with biohacking. And obviously we've 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: heard about the extremes. We've got the Brian Johnson who's 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: the same age as his son now, which is bizarre 62 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: and he's a very interesting character. You've got your Dave 63 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: aspri who sort of sits in the middle he's also 64 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: quite extreme, but very passionate about impacting and helping other 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: people to achieve a good good health. 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Actually tell us a bit about Daves, but let's talk 67 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: about him before we get your tips on how the 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: rest of us can do it, because I've long followed him. 69 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: I think since he's bulletproof coffee days, I mean that 70 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: was probably over a decade ago where you could add 71 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: butter to coffee to give you an extra boost, yeah, 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: before exerciser in the morning. 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's Look, I met Dave this year. I 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: went to his biohacking conference in Dallas and it was 75 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: a tenth annual one. So they've been doing this for 76 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: ten years. Over the last sort of five months, it's 77 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: been about six or seven by hacking conferences globally, so 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: this is a huge movement. But Australia we're just sort 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: of catching the wave at the moment and sort of yeah, 80 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: we're not the early adopters when it comes to bio hacking, 81 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: that's for sure. The US definitely got there before us. 82 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: But Dave is a super interesting guy. He's very passionate 83 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: about what he does. But yes, some of it is extreme, 84 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: you know, I think he takes around one hundred and 85 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: sixties plus supplements a day, which is a lot to 86 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: do that, and you know it's like a serial bowl 87 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: of supplements. But you know, he also you know what's controversial, though, 88 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 2: is he eats such a good diet. And I'm really 89 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: being a nutritionist and being a health coach for over 90 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: ten years, the Foundation and the Pillars of Good Health 91 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: is definitely nutrition. So I feel like, if you're eating 92 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: a really good diet, you probably don't need to take 93 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: that many supplements. Having said that, Dave is exposed to 94 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: all these incredible, amazing new things on the market, so 95 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: he's probably trying everything he can. 96 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: But just tell us the most interesting thing about that 97 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: conference or the most mind blowing thing that happened, because 98 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: I would have loved to go in one of those. 99 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, look was fascinating, and it was such an interesting 100 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: audience of people. I was thinking be a lot of 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: sort of bodybuilders and real fitness people, but it wasn't. 102 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: It was lots of really everyday people, a lot of 103 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: people with chronic health issues. So my whole journey into 104 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: BIA hacking was through I have a chronic health condition 105 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: from living in Mold, so Bia hacking has literally saved 106 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: my life and I'm in great health and that is 107 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: through everything that I've learned over the years on how 108 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: to heal myself. So Dave has a very similar story. 109 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: He lived in Mold and he used biohacking to get 110 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: himself well. So there was lots of people with chronic 111 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: health issues. There was dogs, there was kids, There was 112 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: like a whole crew from Burning Man. It was an 113 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: eclectic mix of people, that's for sure. Look, there were 114 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: some amazing speakers. I think Joe Despenser was incredible. Peter Crone, 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: doctor Will Cole, who's an absolute legend. 116 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh we've got him coming up in the post. 117 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I love that man. He's fantastic. Hoping 118 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: to bring him and Dave to Australia next year actually 119 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: for a conference. And Gabby Bernstein, who was wonderful. But 120 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: you know what was interesting there was a big focus 121 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: on play and oxytocin and how that's one of the 122 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: keys to longevity and obviously that doesn't cost anything. Yeah, 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: So like, what are we doing in our lives as adults. 124 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: We've become so serious, How are we integrating more play 125 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: and love and sex and touch and fun and dancing 126 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: and music and all those things that really help with longevity. 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: So there were some many interesting science around that. Well 128 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: that's good. 129 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: You've just given us a good biohack there include more 130 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: play in your life. What else can we do? I 131 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: mean especially you know, so many of us are living 132 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: on in a budget. You know, we're watching how much 133 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: we spend. How can we bio hack in it? Well, 134 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: how can we bring it the whole philosophy and ethos 135 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: into our daily lives. 136 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I love to talk about biohacking on a 137 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: budget because we are We've got a cost of living crisis. 138 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: You know, we're all feeling the pinch. Mortgages have gone up, 139 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: the cost of everything. Patrol's actually gone down recently, which 140 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: is awesome. But yeah, so I've got some really great 141 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: sort of signature hacks, which are all things that you 142 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: can do that don't really cost much money. So my 143 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: first one is my hashtag hydration hack. So hydration is 144 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: so important. Most of us are guzzling lots of water 145 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: all day, but we're not necessarily hydrating properly. So our 146 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: bodies are at you, made up of water and salt, 147 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: and so when we put a little bit of salt, 148 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: and it has to be a specific type of salt, 149 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: so Celtic sea salt or Himalayan. My preference is always 150 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: Celtic sea salt. This helps our in our water. Yes, 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: this helps ourselves to actually hydrate properly. So it's also 152 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: got lots of amazing minerals and electrolytes that we need naturally. 153 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: So I put a pinch of Celtic sea salt in 154 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: my water bottle every time I fill it up. When 155 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: I lived in Mold, I had severe dehydration because obviously 156 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: mold lives off all of the moisture in your body. 157 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: And I tried everything to try and hydrate and this 158 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: was the one thing that really worked for me. And 159 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: it's like ten bucks a lastly three months. Can you 160 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: taste it? 161 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: I've never done this, not really. 162 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: You just do a bit of a pinch. I really 163 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: recommend it. And with everything biohacking, it's about experimentation and 164 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: bioindividuality and finding out what works for us. But yeah, 165 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: just try something for a month. If you feel better, 166 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: then keep going. 167 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: Just give us another one. 168 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So I've got four. So there's high hashag hydration 169 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: hack hashtag honey hack is a fantastic one, and Dave's 170 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: talked a little bit about this too and the science 171 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: behind it. But when we sleep at night, our brain 172 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: uses the glycogen from our liver, so our brain's actually 173 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: quite active. Even though we think we're knocked out, we're 174 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: actually not. There's still a lot going on. So if 175 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: we have a spoonful of honey, and again it comes 176 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: back to the quality of the honey, manuca is preferable 177 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: or raw unfiltered honey, This actually tricks the body and 178 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: the brain into thinking that's its glycogen. So rather than 179 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: using the liver from the glycogen, it uses the honey. 180 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: So it means we can get a much deeper, RESTful 181 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: sleep because the brain is using something else, not our body. 182 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: So just before you go to bit, yeah, so you 183 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: can before you clean your teeth, Yeah, before you gin 184 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: your teeth. 185 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: Oh, you can do it after dinner, Like there's no 186 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: sort of set time, but just a spoonful of honey. 187 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: There's so many other benefits as well. It's great for 188 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: your digestion, your gut health. So even after dinner, a 189 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: spoonful of honey to help you digest, which brings on 190 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: reaching for those chocolates A long yes. And also it 191 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: curbs that sweet that sweet tooth. But with everything it's equality, 192 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: so it's important that we using decent honey. We can't 193 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: just use the same with salt, not table salts. It's 194 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: got to be decent quality. And that sort of digestion 195 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: is another hack I've got as well. So just things 196 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: like fresh rocket before you eat your food really helps 197 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: to get those digestive juices going. Also, apple sided vinegar, 198 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: which a lot of us are quite familiar with, helps 199 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: with digestion. And things like digestive enzymes, probatics, probatics, not 200 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: drinking too much water whilst we eat, because that can 201 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: dilute some of our digestive juices. 202 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: You need to put these all in a book. 203 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: I am writing a book. There we go. It's going 204 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: to be published in June next year. You heard it 205 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: here first. 206 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: There we go, Canilla, thank you for coming on healthy pleasure. Well, 207 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: I might give the Celtic Sea salt water a go 208 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: and see how I feel after I start drinking salty water. Well, 209 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: at least see how it tastes, whether I can stomach it. 210 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: But what a handy little hack we can all do 211 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: in our day to buy a hack our way to 212 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: better health. Anyway, I hope you did enjoy this chat 213 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: with Camilla. Please tell us if you liked it. You 214 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: can rate and review this episode or of course subscribe 215 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: to this podcast. 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