WEBVTT - Sharri | 13 May 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:03.000 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:04.880 This is Shari. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:07.680 Good evening and welcome to the program. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.760 I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in tonight for Shari. Coming up 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.880 on the show, Susan Lee's first day as opposition leader. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.000 Left a lot to be desired. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.120 I'll give you my take, and Senator Dave Shamel will 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.560 try to change my mind. Is the coalition's commitment to 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.640 net zero about to be abandoned? David Little Proud dropped 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.840 a big hint. Frowen Bishop and David Elliott will join 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.760 me next. And the new look Labor Ministry has us 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.440 asking is the misinformation bill coming back? I'll get to 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.639 that later in the show, but first tonight, I really 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.040 really want to believe the Liberal Party is ready to 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.560 take the ball by the horns, regroup after the thumping 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.120 election loss, and be a clear and strong alternative to Labor. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.080 But honestly, I'm not sure yet. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.400 Susan Lee has been elected leader of the Liberal Party, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.440 the first female leader of the Liberal Party, backed in 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.840 by the Liberal Left, and congratulations to her for being 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.400 the first female. Yes, it does carry weight now, personally, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.160 I don't care about the gender of an individual in 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.720 a high profile role as long as they can do 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.880 the job, and that they've gotten. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:15.640 There through merit. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.199 Now, she's a mother, a grandmother, a very smart woman. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.480 She's been a commercial pilot, a farmer, an air traffic controller, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.240 amongst other things, and of course was recently the deputy 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.039 Opposition leader. And perhaps she can portray a softer side 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.360 than what the party was able to do with Peter Dutton. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.120 But the question now is, and this is key, is 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.720 she the person to lift the party out of one 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:50.080 of its biggest crises? And I'm not yet convinced. And 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.840 now is the time for a quick reset, especially as 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.400 we face another three years of labor, a party which 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:01.040 has already left us broke backwards, divided in a trillion 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.279 dollars of debt, more exposed than ever on the defense front, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.560 with a broken renewable system, and in the lurch for 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.560 the future. And I want to give Susan Lee the 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.359 benefit of the doubt, give her a go, I really do, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.040 and I hope for the sake of the party that 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.640 she is going to take it forward. But if Susan 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.640 Lee cannot put up a genuine alternative policy to labor, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.120 and I'll read today we didn't really get a lot 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.040 of certainty on that, albeit it is early days obviously, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.320 then it's goodbye. The Liberals will be in the wilderness 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.360 for years and I will have more on policy in 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:34.799 a moment. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.440 But here she was today pledging that she is up 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:38.000 for the job. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.560 We listened to the Australian people on Saturday and we 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.680 will continue to listen to them around the country. We 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.280 have to have a Liberal party that respects modern Australia, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:57.200 that reflects modern Australia, and that represents modern Australia. And 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.720 we have to meet the people where they are. And 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.239 that's what I am committed to doing. Are what I'm 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:08.360 determined to do. I want to do things differently and 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.720 we have to have a fresh approach. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.880 And a fresh approach is absolutely needed. But this was 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.680 not a resounding victory for Susan Lee. She was voted 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.120 in twenty nine to twenty five to Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor. Now, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.600 if you take away the votes of Linda Reynolds, Holly 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.240 Hughes and Richard Colbeck who were leaving because of the 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.359 Senate and all who voted for her, or realistically it 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.880 leaves her with twenty six votes, it's almost a tie. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.280 It's not a convincing win. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.200 So the question is is she keeping the seat warm 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.320 for a few years only to be rolled at the 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.640 eleventh hour ahead of the next election. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.880 It is hardly a case for unification. Now. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.680 Secondly, she spoke there about Liberal party values, but what 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.640 does that mean because we've got a moderate opposition leader 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.360 in Susan Lee and a moderate deputy in Ted O'Brien. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.960 So not only do the Liberals abandon their conservative base 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.400 through their labor light policies and position changes at the election, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.400 they now have voted in two moderates, yet hope to 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.120 reclaim their base and hope for this fresh approach. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:08.800 And call me cynical, but. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.440 This is unconvincing to me and hardly inspiring. And yes, 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.240 of course it comes down to policies. Yes, it comes 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:16.960 down to having an alternative. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:18.600 But already I fear. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.760 This new Liberal Party is off to a shaky start. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.760 First on nuclear policy, here was Susan Lee and. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.320 Having federal government own nuclear power stations? 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.159 Is that going to be your position? Do you think 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:29.800 going forward? 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:31.839 We'll just hear in this party room. Only a couple 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.040 of hours ago I committed to my colleagues that there 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.560 would be no captain's calls from anywhere by me, and 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.080 I also committed during the discussions I had with them 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.720 this week that we would work through every single policy issue, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.320 we would canvass the different views and we would take 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:49.760 the time to get it right. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.359 Now, of course, it had only been hours since she 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.279 was voted in. But compare this to National's leader David 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.440 Little Proud yesterday. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.040 We've had the courage on nucleanergy, something our party room 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.720 has believed in for a very long time, and all 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.599 renewables approach won't work. But it was our party room, 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.160 from many people before us, that had the courage to 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:09.600 come forward. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.080 But it was us. It was our party room that 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:11.640 delivered it. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.720 The two very contrasting answers, and the point is if 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.400 he's not making captain calls, then the Liberal left may triumph, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.160 and that is a worry if serious and hard decisions 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.680 are not made by its leader. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.120 Take this for example, this is. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.839 A policy that went to an election. The election result 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.560 was devastating, so the message from the community is very 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.520 very clear, and that's why I believe that this nuclear 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.680 policy has to go unbelievable. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.760 And if that's the case, the Liberals would have learnt 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.680 nothing because we need nuclear energy to shore up supply 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:46.560 in this country. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.360 It is the only. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.680 Option and nuclear was a key point of difference you 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.080 remember for the coalition before it ran away from. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.360 It In the dying weeks of the campaign. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.680 Why didn't you go to the site to marked for 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.240 a nuclear reactor? Why didn't you get eighty by your 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.800 side at press conferences every week and try and sell 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:06.599 this policy. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.120 I got the feeling you dropped it like a hot potato. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.320 It's not been a huge issue at this election cap 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.800 either four against. I think people have prioritized other issues 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.359 and that's probably where the campaigns concentrate. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:19.120 Now. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.560 If you're not going to go bold, you won't win elections, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.719 and that should be the lesson from this election. We 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.960 know nuclear is a proven energy resource in powerhouses like 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.520 the US and UK, and if we want to keep 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:35.320 the lights on nuclear is it now secondly on net 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:36.920 zero by twenty fifty. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.400 There are different views about how we appropriately reduce emissions. Now. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.640 We need to reduce emissions in this country and Australia 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.720 needs to play its part in reducing emissions. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.880 But the problem is this again may put the party 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.240 at odds with the nationals, as David Little Proud has 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.479 put ditching that target on the table. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.080 You cannot run an economy of the industrial scale the 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.800 size of Australia on an llor renewables approach. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:04.760 Just look at Spain and Portugal. 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.200 The reality is is even Anthony Albanezi is saying your 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.280 energy bill is going to go up, not down. And 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.080 so what we'll do is calmly and methodically work through 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.640 our policy settings and what that means to make sure 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.240 that we have a position that addresses the cost of 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:21.840 living crisis. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.600 Because energy is the economy now. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.920 If the Liberals want to win back the base, ditch 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.320 net zero by twenty fifty because the world's biggest emitters, 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.800 including the US and China, are moving away from this 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.760 target and are in favor of nuclear. This renewables fantasy, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.200 we know is a disaster in this country. It is 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.800 plunging us further into the darkness during heat waves and 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.440 cold snaps, all the while coal is being driven out 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.760 of the system. The Paris Agreement is a joke. It's 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:48.880 a waste of our time. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.960 We have to keep moving forward with keeping the lights 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.720 on in this country now. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.760 Our third policy point is on female representation in the 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.200 Liberal Party three years ago, it was the same old 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.400 tysome narrative that the election loss. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:03.320 Was due to a lack of women. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.600 Three years later, there are calls again for gender quotas. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.000 Look what an absolute diabolical insult in my view, to 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:16.240 have women in Parliament because of their gender, not on merit, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.920 not because they're the best person for the job, not 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.840 because they've earned it, but because of their gender. And 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.040 this is not why the Liberal Party lost the election. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.400 It is true that earlier this year women strongly favored 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.760 the Coalition, but by the end of April that had 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.040 blown up. If you look there, the Coalition's lead among 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.160 female voters reversed from fifty one to forty nine in 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.480 January to forty six to fifty four in favor of Labor. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.480 That was a week out from the poll. But this 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.520 was largely due to its work from home policy, and 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.440 Susan Lee wasn't shying away from the possibility of quotas 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:48.559 when asked today. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.680 I want to say, right here and now, we need 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.040 more women in our party. We need more women in 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.920 our party organization, We need more women in this party room. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.480 Had we done better at the last election, we would 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.840 have standing women in this party room. Deputy opposed to 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.160 quotas and targets women. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.239 I support what the leaders just said. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.200 A came moving alone. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.920 Look, she's not wrong about more female representation, but still 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.600 there was no definitive answer there. And it's not about 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.720 more female representation or moving to the center, because the 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.480 more you raise this gender card, the more you stray 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.520 away from those conservative values, and goodness me, you may 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.920 as well be the Labor Party. Then with quotas, it's 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.480 about a strong, cohesive policy platform reflecting those values and 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.080 also policy which reflects women. Now, the other point I 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.480 would make here is on just sent to nampajimp Price. 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.880 She pulled out of the deputy leadership role after it 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.760 became apparent Angus Taylor was not going to win, and 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.400 I really hope her defection from the Nationals has not 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.120 been a waste of time because politics is tough, it 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.840 is so brutal, and this is a woman who, in 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.800 my view, is a born leader and one of the 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.240 only voices of common sense. She single handedly helped get 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.679 that no vote in the Voice to Parliament referendum over 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:00.440 the line. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.600 She clearly loves this country, does not. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.640 Seek to divide us by the color of our skin, 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.560 and she really sticks to her values, and it would 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.120 be of detriment to the party in this reboot phase 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.240 not to give Senator Price a key role in the 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:17.640 shadow cabinet and make her front and center, not hidden like. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.440 She was during the election campaign. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.400 And I really hope, for the sake of moving this 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.040 party forward and for the sake of actually having any 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.080 chances of winning elections, that this is indeed a winning 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.960 ticket of Susan Lee and Ted O'Brien. But the Opposition 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.480 lost the election because they went Labor light. And look 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.040 at the contrast now. The Labor Cabinet met today to 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:43.680 take their group photo. They're all smiles but unified, and 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.040 the Liberals, fresh from a leadership ballot, are now desperately 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.000 trying to rebuild after their election loss with a leader 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.160 who just scraped over the line. They have no clear 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.160 policies yet and are largely becoming at odds with their 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.920 coalition partners, the Nationals and the Nats are basically propping 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.800 up the coalition right now because they're not the ones 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.400 who've lost a lot of seats, and this is an 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.040 opposition which would want to shape up pretty quick if 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.440 they want to have any chance of beating the Labor Party, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.320 Susan Lee faces a massive challenge, but the question is 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.240 will she go bold or will the Liberals face years 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:21.079 in the wilderness. 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:25.480 Well for more on that. 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.800 Joining me now is former Speaker of the House Bromin 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.480 Bishop and forming New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.040 Hight To both of you, thank you so much for 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.720 joining me on the show this evening. Bron We'll start 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.760 with you. Is Susan Lee the right choice for the party? 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.079 How do you feel about the appointment? 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.280 I think it is quite an achievement for the Liberal 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.240 Party to have a woman leader, and as someone who's 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.720 been the first in many positions in my political life, 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:54.840 I congratulate Susan one hundred percent on achieving that she 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.440 now has a great opportunity. Now there's were all sorts 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.920 of criticism being thrown her, but she's had it before 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.000 and she's been able to stand up to it. She's 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.439 been on the hustings, and when you've been on the 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.679 hustings and you've been in the small groups as well 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.120 as the large groups, you learn a lot about what 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.320 you've got to do to put policy that appeals to 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.320 those people together. So I think people have got to 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.840 give her a go. And as I've said before, I 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.640 sat for twenty years in the Parliament with that Anthony 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.679 Alvern easy and nobody but nobody ever said he was 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:37.400 a leader. And yet now he's won ninety two seats. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.679 So politics is a very fickle game. It can surprise you, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.319 it can something can arise up and things change and 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.160 you have to be prepared to do it. And I 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.120 think she's got to be given a go. And I 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.200 think for the Level Party to have a female leader 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.480 is a recognition that women in the Liberal Party can 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.280 get there without quotas one hundred. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.679 You know this quotea's nonsense, really really bothers me. I 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.920 think it's actually offensive, to be honest, at I find 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.600 it now. I find it highly highly offensive. David I 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.040 asked the question there in Madatorial. Is Susan Lee the 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.360 one that can pull this Liberal Party out of one 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:19.480 of its biggest crises? 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:20.199 Yes or no? 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.240 Yes she is, And I'll tell you what she has 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.520 got the experience. She's been there for twenty years. She's 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.360 more than twenty years. She has proven herself as a 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.200 loyal deputy. And your colleagues look at you and your 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.079 commitment to loyalty in sub leadership roles before they decide 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.760 to put you in leadership role. So she's proven, she's 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.120 proven that, unlike Anthony Abernezi, she's had real jobs. She 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.760 had a significant career before she entered parliament, so she 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.480 can draw on real world experiences. Setting her gender aside. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.400 I think she has got a very appealing approach to people. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.560 I think she's articulate. What she does need she needs 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.520 right now is a head kicker. And I don't think 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.480 Tedday Brown as the head kicker. I think we've really 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.600 stuffed up with him as a deputy leader. But she 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.360 will rely on people like Andrew Hasty, She'll rely on 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:07.679 people like just Senter Price. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:08.800 She'll rely on. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.800 People, certainly the Victorian Liberals to make sure that we 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.600 don't lose our standing with the urban vote, because it's 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.040 that Victorian vote that needs to now be moved to 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.600 Western Sydney so we can pick up similar seats and 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.480 demographics in Western Sydney. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:29.800 What do you think of Tett O'Brien's appointment from Well. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.880 I think he's showed himself in that debate that he 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.800 had with Bowen to be right on top of Boone. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:36.760 Oh, definitely think. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.600 I think everyone gave him a great, big chair. So 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:47.240 he's now going to have the opportunity to define further 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.320 the policy he took. And one option they can go 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.280 is and it's something that I thought was perhaps the 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.040 way they should have gone earlier, is say, we will 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.840 remove the innig reality of uranium. We will make it 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.280 legal to build you your reactors and to have nuclear 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.520 power and let the market see if they're going to 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.400 build it and invest in it. Yeah, and I suggest 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.800 that probably will well. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.680 Hope, you'd hope so, you'd really hope so. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.920 And that's why they need some clear, definitive policies urgent. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.240 But what was so killing for Peter Dutton was he 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.720 didn't fight back on that six hundred billion dollar figure. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.479 It was a lie, it was, but it wasn't refuted. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.200 You've got to refute things again and again and again 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.720 and again. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.840 It was like Medicare. It was like the Medicare. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.800 You know, Albo was out there every day with that 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.320 Medicare cand It was the same thing. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:40.160 I could have heard of. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.240 Yeah, no, look, I completely a. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.040 Great let's move on because I talked about the Just 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.560 Center napagym for price debarcle. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:47.680 There. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.000 Obviously, she pulled out of the race for opposition deputy. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.680 Now she explained that decision a little earlier on the 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:54.320 Kenny Report. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:55.200 This is what she said. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:01.360 I declared that I was running on a leadership ticket 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:07.240 with Angus Taylor, and I had made my mind up 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.880 prior too that if Angus was unsuccessful that I would 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.080 allow on you that Ted wanted to run for the 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:18.560 deputy leadership, that I wouldn't contest that and withdraw from 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:19.600 that point onward. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.640 But she also dropped this line which I'm sure got 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.600 conservatives quite excited. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:26.920 And to big Prime Minister, of course she need to 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:27.720 go to the Lower House. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:29.920 Well, there is that, you know, and I know there's 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.680 a lot of Australians who'd love to see that. But 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.600 right now, as I said, you know, my focus is 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:34.080 the Senate. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.480 I mean, it sounded to me, David like there's still 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.080 some leadership ambition. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.400 In her, there's still some fights. But what do you 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:40.960 make of that? 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.960 Well, I don't think this lady's for turning. I think 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.360 we just seeing here is certainly somebody that is going 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.120 to pursue a political career. I think that she should 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.560 be brought down into the Lower House. She can prosecute 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.000 a debate. We saw that in the Voice and anybody 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.560 who thinks that you know, the election result has turned. 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.320 This shown that the Australian electorate has gone left of center, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.120 has forgot about the voice response in the electorate. And 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.359 she's one of the reasons why we got that. We 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.840 got that look, so we've got that result. So I 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.600 think we've just center. She needs to be harnessed, she 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.800 needs to be mentored, she needs to be given an 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.359 opportunity to go out and forge her own brand in 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.080 the electorate, because I can tell you she's a vote 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.919 winner for us, She's a vote winner for the Liberal Party. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.560 And I think that the more Susan Leigh stands next 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.640 to the center price and people like Melinda McIntosh, Melissa McIntosh, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.879 the more we're going to be able to attract those 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.000 votes that have got to come back. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.560 Do you agree, Brolin, that she could still be a 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.600 star power within Absolutely? 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.879 Absolutely, And all this business about being elected on a 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.800 national party ticket, it's just not true. She is a 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.399 member of the Country Liberal Party and traditionally when we 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.200 had a senator and member for Solomon, one would sit 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.800 in each House, in each party group. Now that we're 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.960 down to just having a senator, we don't have a 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.080 lower House seat in the Northern Territory. Well, she's free 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.200 to choose where she sits. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.000 Yeah, so you still think, though, but do you think 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.600 she should have a real prominent role now she should? 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.760 Yeah. I hope that Susan Lee gives her I really 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:14.360 really do hope. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.640 So I won't to talk about dumping net zero by 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.879 twenty fifty. It was mentioned today at the press conference. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.760 Now it's clear that the Nationals are looking to drop 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.160 that target. Other big power houses around the world are 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.320 not even thinking about that target anymore. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.600 But where does this leave the coalition? More broadly, if 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.560 you've got two possibly opposing narratives here, how do you 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:38.600 see this playing out? 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.320 Well, targets that far out are just a complete waste 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.399 of time because nobody is going to be held accountable 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.800 for the lack of meeting it, and quite frankly, nobody 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.160 believes it. I mean, the Liberal Party needs to highlight 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.600 the fact that we are we believe as conservatives that 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.719 we should be good custodians of the earth, and there 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.080 being good custodians of the earth means we're we're committed 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.720 to bringing down levels of pollution, bringing down liberals of 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:09.159 carbon emission, replacing them with clean energy without destroying our economy. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.800 And that's the that's the debate that we always have 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.240 in Western Sydney seats conservative in the Western Sydney seats, 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.280 in the north west of Sydney, we have the highest 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.000 number of families having solar panels on their roofs than 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.600 per capita, than anywhere else. That's that is a liberal 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.199 voting area and they have all the highest number. Now 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.720 what is that to you? It means that when that 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.800