WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 19 September 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.720 Late Welcome to the late Base. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.559 Well, good evening, thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.800 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand. Coming 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.320 up a Victorian golfer donz a wig and address in 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.720 order to claim discounted fees for women. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.200 Will show you how that goes a little later. Plus, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:21.600 when we. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:25.520 Look at the papers, a new report showing carbon offset 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:30.360 credits rarely do much good at all and Gold Coast 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.519 unit owners are upset because they're going to be taxed 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.519 according to their view. All of that when we look 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.400 at the papers. But first, the behavior of New South 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.440 Wales politicians is evidently so bad they'll be forced to 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.440 undergo anti bullying and anti harassment training. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:48.080 Now. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.400 The mandated training comes after a report found that a 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:57.080 quarter of parliamentary staff had expressed had experienced bullying and 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.520 harassment at work. The government's already spent a million dollars 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:06.000 on consultants and training to try to change workplace behavior, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.959 and this new training course is part of fifteen million 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.640 dollars they're investing over the next four years to try 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.280 to get New South Wales parliamentarians and their staff to 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.160 behave better that they'd spend that much money on an 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.319 economics course or something like that. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.600 But Joe and Liz, this raises questions for me. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.920 Firstly, are parliamentarians behaving that badly that we need to 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.920 spend fifteen million dollars. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.560 To improve their conduct? 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.520 And if it is that bad, then is a training 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.360 course really going to change things? But I've got one 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.000 more question about this story. A lot of anti bullying 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.399 is often just another form of bullying in disguise. And 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.200 I do note that MPs can't actually be forced to 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.080 do this training because what are they going to do? 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:52.960 Tell them they're out. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.640 They've been elected by voters. But the New South Wales 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.320 Parliament have said they will monitor attendance and they will 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.480 note non compliance, which Liz sounds to me kind of 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:05.680 like bullying. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.240 Well, last question is who the heck are these people. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.840 We've elected them to make very important decisions on behalf 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.079 of us, on behalf of the entire state of New 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.880 South Wales and they can't even get it together at work, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.040 if the Broaderick Report is to be believed. And that's 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.440 why they're taking these measures, because back in twenty twenty. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.320 Two, the Broaderick Report was very damning. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.200 Like you say, over record on the people who were 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:39.000 anonymously asked for feedback said, yes, I've experienced bullying and 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.680 harassment and sexism is far more commonplace here than we'd 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.920 like it to be. So firstly, this seems to be 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.760 quite a late reaction. I mean, last year they introduced 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.680 the Respected Work program, only twenty three out of the 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:59.720 ninety three MPs have attended their Respect at Work indoctrination. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.880 And now we're being told that this course is mandatory, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.760 but they have no way of forcing anyone to attend it. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.040 So this just seems like a tick the box. We 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.600 must be seen to address this problem. And of course 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.440 we all know that you know, an hour an hour 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:22.079 and a half course it can and will change someone's character. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:27.120 If they didn't know that this behavior was inappropriate previously, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.200 they will once they sat through this course. That's been 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.239 the only problem. They just didn't know it was wrong. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:34.400 The course will tell. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.800 Them it's wrong, and then I'm sure they'll cut it out. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.440 And that is how many million dollars fifteen million dollars 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.120 over the next four years of our taxpayer dollar well spent, 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.760 like we don't pay them enough to be abject failures. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.880 Now we've got to pay out another fifteen million more 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.600 just to be like, can you behave yourself? 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.440 Then they respectful failures. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.760 If the course is that, If the course is that good, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.440 they should run it in Gaza. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:03:59.480 Yeah. 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.160 The thing is, if you don't actually know that bullying 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.119 is bad, or you don't know that sexual harassment is bad, 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.200 it is very unlike that of course is going to 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:09.920 do anything. They should just say look if you get 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.560 if you get busted sexually harassing someone, we're leaking it 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.080 to the Daily Telegraph. Every MP would say right, never 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.320 touching anyone ever again, or the. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.080 Daily Telegraph would be very busy. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.520 But there's a couple of things we are on the 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:22.480 lookout for. It an'ty worry. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.240 I once, in a much much older incarnation of the 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.440 New South VAL's government, I once figured out that you 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.000 were twice as likely to be a sex abuser if 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.560 you're in the New South Wales government cabinet that you 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.080 were in the general community. But that was a particular 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.000 low point for a former government. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:40.680 Wow. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.160 But there's two things. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.960 I mean, one is it depends when you're looking at 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.360 the prevalence of something like this, it depends on two things. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.760 One is the number of people who are actually doing 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.520 it and how often they're doing it. The other is, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.040 of course how sensitive the respondents toy survey are. So 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.320 if you define something broadly enough, and there was a 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.400 previous survey that was done and a very you know, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:08.400 you know, earnest and well intentioned survey, and I know 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.040 the person who did it. But like sexual harassment university 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:13.919 and on campus, right, And it turns out that this 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.400 also included commuting on the way to campus, and that 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.320 examples of unwelcome behavior which was counter as sexual harassment 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.159 was looking for someone looking at someone too long, staring 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.280 at something too long on a train, so you could 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.080 be on your train on the way to UNI, so 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.800 a complete stranger who's not going to UNI stares at 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.760 you and you don't like it, and then that gets 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:40.560 counted as an incident of sexual harassment on campus or whatever. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.560 So there's that. So this brings us to the ABC. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.560 The ABC, if we are to be told, I think 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.240 Paul raised it in the show before Ours, is a 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.880 hotbed of racism and sexual harassment. Now I wait to 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.760 believe that the ABC, of all organizations, is a place 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.720 where racism and sexual harassment runs rampant or as an 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:05.440 organization whose employees would be highly highly attuned to the 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.720 slightest suggestion of sexual harassment racism, so that becomes overrepresented. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.000 The other thing with this thing, as I think you 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.280 alluded to before, it means if you have a framework 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.320 like this, it means it can very very quickly be 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.520 weaponized to get rid of your political enemies. And guess 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.359 which building has more political enemies all under the same 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.280 roof than anywhere else in the entire state. That's right, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.520 it's Parliament House. And so again, you know someone I 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.279 know very well, waltz Accord, a very senior figure in 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.520 the Labor Party who was basically instrumental in getting Chris 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.600 Mins elected to the leadership of the Parliamentary Party and 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.279 winning the last election. I'm very little doubt in my 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.839 mind that had that not happened, we would still be 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.520 a Liberal state government in Macquarie Street. And he had 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.840 an allegation of bullying leveled against him and was basically 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.040 forced to fall on his sword or chose to so 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.760 it didn't means chances I'm very noble, and that basically 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.400 amounted to him I think shouting at a former leader's 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.200 staff member and of course, the former leader being the 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.320 one who he'd replaced with Chris min So maybe it 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.720 was absolutely horrific, or maybe it was just a bit 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:16.120 of payback. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:17.680 Well to a couple of your points, some of those 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:22.240 who reported they'd experienced harassment and bullying, they also reported 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.080 they experienced and I don't know what this means live 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.920 everyday sexism as opposed to every other day sexism. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:28.880 Not really sure. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.600 And of the twenty three that did the respect for 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.200 Work course that you alluded to earlier, how many of 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.280 you reckon? How many of those do you think were 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.040 people that weren't showing respect? Or did they do the 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.440 course on respect because they are respectful people. 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.239 I should actually do this course. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.880 A night certificate. I framed it the people's. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.080 Cleeding for the people that don't do it. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:49.640 Yeah. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.200 Indeed to the UK now where a group called Free 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.920 Speech Brighton, which is a free speech group in Brighton, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.920 as their name suggests, have been thrown our of a pub. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.480 Here's the scene. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.680 They have hired a back room in this pub in 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.000 order to hold one of their meetings. They bring along 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.120 a little microphone and a little speaker. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.920 They're mining their own business. They're in the back room. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.520 Three speeches are planned and the first lady gets up 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.160 speaks for fifteen minutes. She's a retired teacher in her fifties, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.280 and she's talking about the fact that I don't think 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.840 gender ideology, this idea that you can be one thing 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.160 one day and another thing the other day. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.280 Should be taught to school children. She also asserted the 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.360 argument that parents should. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.600 Be able to ask what their children are being taught 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.640 in sex education and asked to be availed of the 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.400 materials that are. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.120 Being given to their children. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.560 Well, then it was question and answer time when suddenly 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:57.320 five security guards entered the room and this pandemonium ensued. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:04.920 Bring doesn't wants to complain from the management. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.640 Anyone refusing is now trespassing. Unbelievable. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.679 Keep in mind these are perfectly legal beliefs. In fact, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.160 the former UK government during their tenure published a paper 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:42.000 saying that schools shouldn't be teaching any kind of controversial 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:48.040 gender theory to school children. So did this manager of 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.440 the pub have a leg to stand on legally? 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.960 We're told, and indeed. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.000 This free speech group has been told bi legal experts. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.680 I believe they will be pursuing what's What's happened in 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.760 the courts that these guys don't have a leg to 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.520 stand on, that this is exactly the same as ejecting 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.720 someone from your parb or restaurant or whatever else you 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.320 own because you don't like the color of someone's skin. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.360 These guys were literally ousted out of the pub by 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.160 the way they refuse to leave until they'd finished their bevies. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.440 How English can you get? 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.160 And they told the security guards to tell management that 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.960 the next two speakers were on entirely unrelated topics. Note 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.400 still thrown out onto the street for the crime of wanting. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.160 To protect young people from what everyone. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.920 Who knows the stats on this believes to be very 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:47.000 much a social contagion, given the numbers, the burgeoning numbers 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.560 of LGBTIQ people, especially in the younger age groups in 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:52.000 the UK. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.240 I'm just wondering when they booked the room, do you 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.480 think they booked it under the name free speech Brighton, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.679 and so that the pub owner those this is a 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.000 group committed to free speech, I'm about to evict them. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.840 I actually am sympathetic to the rights of people to 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.720 have the customers that they choose, but if you're going 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.079 to have discrimination laws they've got to apply equally. Could 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.800 you imagine the outrage if a group were in the 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.600 back room talking about the need for gay rights and 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.400 they were evicted by a Christian publican. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.600 Imagine a pub that said no gay people allowed. Yeah, indeed, sorry, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.040 it's a private premises. We have the right to evict 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.840 you by because we don't like what you are, what 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:30.840 you think, or what you say. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.520 So these people are not only expressing perfectly legitimate views, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.920 but as you said, Liz, these were views that only 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.880 a short time ago were being espoused by the UK. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:40.160 Gunn. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.240 I think it's irrelevant whether the views are legitimate or 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.880 backed up by evidence or whatever. The question is, okay, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.959 are they are they legally able to be held, not 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.240 where they're right or not, but are they illegal? 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.679 So you know, you can't book a back room and 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.520 say all right, everybody kill all the Jews, right, that 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:56.120 doesn't work. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.560 But you know, if you're actually say well, I'm not 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.760 sure this isn't right for schools, think they could be 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.160 on pretty flimsy, flimsy ground. I think it would be difficult, 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.720 certainly very difficult to do that in Australia. I would 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:13.199 have thought if our being disruptive or rowdy, you know, 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.240 before they had their beloved microphone stand taken away by 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:18.560 the boutside. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.560 They didn't look like they had, but it didn't seem 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:20.880 so that. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.280 I mean, they looked like that, you know, they'd struggled 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.720 to be rowdy with all the rheumatoid arth rights going around. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.960 So I thought, I thought this was really a lesson 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.920 in what not to do in terms of good solid 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.880 brad management. And the fact even the fact that the whole, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.360 the whole sort of fig leaf of respectability. Oh there's 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.200 been a complaint we have too from or the manager. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.120 So the manager complained to himself. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.439 I did the manager, like Lodger, go to their website 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.160 and you know, I mean. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.120 He had to be here the already. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.760 Clearly the management sort of thought I'd better dress this 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.400 up as something it's not, and the security guards, unfortunately, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.360 were The. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.320 Other thing I like about this story is committed free 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.760 speech and all right, we won't finish our speeches, but 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:03.839 we will finish our beers. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.320 Committed to free beer, go above and beyond. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:08.520 Absolutely. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.559 So the other thing that happened in the UK is 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.839 that Trafalgar Square has quote unquote gone and woke as 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.520 a fourth plinth was taken over by artwork aiming to 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:26.080 quote unite the trans community around the world. I have 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.760 to tell you, I do not understand anything about this story. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.320 I do not understand why there is a plinth that 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.640 is going to unite the trans community and how that 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.720 is actually going to work. How is it going to 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.800 unite the transmitnion around the world. But it's just sitting 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.880 there like a box in Trafalgar Square. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:42.800 An ugly boss. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.920 Well, this is objectively. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.160 Serious building in the Rocks in Sydney. It looks like 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.719 some kind of weird you know, they're militarian stalinists. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.000 That there's hundreds of masks taken from transgendered people, half 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.560 of them from London and the other half from Mexico. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.240 I do not understand. But why I just London in Mexico. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:06.280 I don't know. 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.880 Either, except that it's all in preparation for what do 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.600 they call it, It's Transgender Day of Remembrance, which is 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.840 coming up where people remember those who have been killed 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.520 because of being transgendered. That The trouble, however, is that, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:25.000 according to Statistica, which is a online platform that collates 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.400 data from around the world in all manner, of subjects. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.720 There was one person transgendered who was murdered in the 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.560 UK in twenty twenty three. There were fifty two transgendered 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.400 people murdered in Mexico in twenty twenty three. So I 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.040 think part of it is, you go, if you're going 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.320 to have a transgender day of remembrance, but only one 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.960 person is to be remembered, I need to combine it 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.880 with something else to make it a little bit of 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.800 a bigger issue. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.200 I think, Like again, it just seemed very strange where 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.160 people and it's a bit like again, it's kind of 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.200 like a sort of Quiers of Palestine, you know, it's 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.560 kind of like protesting against the inj in Mexico in 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.320 the place that is the least unjust compared to the 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:06.560 place where it's actually happened the most. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:06.720 Right. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.760 I know, it might be more dangerous to protest, but again. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.600 Why why are you sort of telling Londoners about this 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:15.200 terrible thing? 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:15.680 Correct? 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.720 In fact, surely the true target should be Armlow, the 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.120 president of Mexico. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.000 Well, total numbers of transgender people killed in twenty twenty three, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.840 according to Forbes magazine, was three hundred and twenty. At 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.600 three hundred and twenty worldwide. One was murdered in the UK, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.320 which would make the UK one of the safest places 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.880 on earth for transgendered people. The artwork was put together 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:44.440 by a transgendered Mexican artist to celebrate a transgender sex 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.440 worker who was or not celebrate to memorialize a transgender 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.520 sex worker who was murdered in Mexico almost ten years ago. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:58.160 So that's the display and it's designed to disintegrate. Interestingly enough, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.160 the masks are specifically designed so over the month or 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:03.840 so that they're on display, it's going. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.320 To be bits flying around trafalgus. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.440 And that kind of makes the point of, you know, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:13.160 transgendered rights being trampled on and being destroyed. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.400 So that was going to say this was a prefat story, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.080 So there's actually. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:18.760 What are those marks? 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.120 Because if there's a mod. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.800 And they're going to be defuriating and people are going 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:30.080 to be breathing it in in Trafalgar Square, you really 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:35.400 know my soap box. The former Plint was tipping the 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:41.400 hat to the history of colonialism in Africa. So I'm 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.600 getting the vibe from whoever gets to decide which next 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.200 Plint is going to be unveiled in Trafalgar Square. It's 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.600 always going to be virtue signaling and also just reminding 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.960 the public, not not just people in London, because people 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.440 come from all around the world world to check out 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.520 Trafalgar Square, but reminding them all of we are well 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.439 aware of our colonialist pass and we are well aware 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.560 of the LGBTQ, and we are well aware who knows 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.000 what next years will be the. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.760 Only reason they're able to do this is because when 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.040 these prints were first put in Trafalgar Square, three of 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.920 them have statues attached to the pedestals, but the. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.880 Fourth one actually ran out of money. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.399 It was meant to be a horse celebrating William the 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.159 Fourth but they ran out of money, and so for 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.359 one hundred and fifty years it just sat vacant. And 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.560 then they decided, let's have a rolling sort of display. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:34.160 People. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.399 It's like an answer to our response to all the 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.520 big giants sort of colonialists or imperialists sort of. So 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.320 I don't mind that at all. I don't even really 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.400 mind this thing. It just it just seems weird. Well, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.119 so often the outrage is misdirected. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.399 Oh incredibly, and so many of the MPs had argued 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.919 that this plint should be dedicated to Queen Elizabeth because 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.480 that it was a really prominent space, obviously a very 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:07.000 beloved monarch in England. But nope, the transmasks that are 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.639 going to deteriorate. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.480 Dedicated to Harry and Meghan for all their services to spotify. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.560 You know what they should have in retrospect. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:15.439 Leave it like it is. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.000 I really like the transgender But talking about people being 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.680 outraged over silly things, people in Mossman are outraged over 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.440 plans to build a multi story mansion on a vacant 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.560 block of harbourside land. Now the issue with this block 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.040 of land is there's no access from the road, so 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.960 to get the building materials on site is quite problematic. Now, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:41.560 the owners had negotiated with counsel about using cranes, but 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.920 for some reason the council said no, we don't want 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.119 cranes anywhere near this. So the owners said, well, we 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.280 are absolutely committed to building our dream home. We will 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.480 get people to bring in all of the building materials 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.800 by hand. Well, this is absolutely annoyed local neighbors who 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.040 say it's going to disrupt their neighborhood. People would be 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.600 traveling on public land to bring through the materials but 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:09.200 one local resident, Peter Ritchie, he called it ridiculous and ludicrous. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.480 He told local media the idea that. 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.760 Building materials for a four story structure can be delivered 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.960 to this site by hand is ludicrous in the extreme. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.200 This is an extremely difficult site to access and build 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.520 upon due to its steepness and lack of direct street access. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.280 That's why it hasn't been attempted in over one hundred 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.200 and twenty five years. Well, I'm just wondering if Peter 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.720 Richie's heard of, you know, the Pyramids or the Great 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.600 Wall of China. This is amazing that they're going to 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.880 build this home. You can see the pictures on your screen. 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.280 They're going to build that and do so by bringing 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.080 all of the material required by hand. 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:46.680 I think they should be applauded. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.720 I reckon I could do it, not opposed. I'm sure 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.679 they could do it brick by brick like this. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.720 That's literally what they're suggesting to do a major architectural 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.360 feet But they're up for it, so why not let 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.679 them do it. Besides, they had planned end to have 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.879 a crane delivered so that the crane could just swing 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.639 on down bring the materials needed to the site. 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.399 The council advised, we're not going to give you the 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:12.280 thumbs up for that. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.640 So now these guys are like, well, on the advice 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.320 of counsel, who's probably going to turn them down anyway, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.880 Because for those of you who don't live in New 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.320 South Wales, the whole point of living in Mossman is 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.840 to separate yourselves from the great unwashed. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:28.640 They hate all new development. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.040 In fact, the last time we were discussing was the 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.960 mayor over there was saying, remember when they had their. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.840 Housing I was about to bring that up. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.280 Bossman has been so compared to say Blacktown, right, which 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.360 is a great middle grade westerns They had a housing 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:51.199 target of more than twenty thousand new homes over the 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:52.399 next five years. 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.160 They are currently beating that target. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.600