1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: people of the Urination. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Hildebrand, and this is a real story. We've 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: got another cracker Jack episode for you this week, a 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: bit of a bumper one. I'm going to explain to 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: you why trans riots and the war in Gaza and 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton are all, in fact three different units, a 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: holy trinity, if you will, of the same mystical political entity. Yes, 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: it's all interconnected, and I'm going to explain how very 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: very shortly. Plus, we'll be talking about the housing crisis. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: We've got a great question from one of our listeners 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: on why on Earth we've still got negative gearing on 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: investment properties at a time when we don't have enough 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: houses to go around. And perhaps the most exciting thing 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: of all, we have the Man of the Moment Gold 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: LOGI winner Larry Mda joins us right here in the 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: studio to talk about what really goes on behind the 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: scenes of a LOGI campaign and all. 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: That are much much more coming up. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: First up this week, I want to talk about the 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: omni cause. Now, this is a phrase, it's been coined 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: to describe what progressives try to sew together as a 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: sort of coherent progressive left wing agenda, when in fact 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: all its different parts, often contradictory, run counter to the 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: interests of the other. A perfect example is, for example, 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: queers for Palestine right. Obviously, if you're queer in Palestine itself, 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: you're not going to last very long. And obviously those 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: two causes going completely different directions. But because the left 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: is very much in favor of queer rights and the 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: left is very much in favor of Palestine, they have 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: to sort of pretend that it's all one and the 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: same thing. Now, this is the sort of stuff we've 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: all gone through, or some of us have. Anyway, I'm 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: really sorry about that. In our university years, I was 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: a student socialist, didn't know any better, grew up, got 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: a job, figured out how world works, and let's just 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: never talk about that again. But it also has real 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 2: word consequences for the government, and especially for the labor government, 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: and I'll explain that very shortly. In fact, it's led 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: to the snaffoo that the labor government now finds itself in. 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: But first let's go back to that sort of crazy 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: undergraduate pipe dream, those golden years of university in campus 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: life that some of us would prefer to forget and 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: others literally just can't remember. And this played out in 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: a beautiful little scenario in Victoria over the weekend. Melbourne 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: the steps of Parliament House and there was a protest 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: by a group calling itself the Women's Action Group. 49 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: Remember that time when it was the left who were 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: all into women's rights and everything. All that's changed. Suddenly 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: the right is all in on women's rights. Suddenly all 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: conservatives are feminists because they think women's rights run counter 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: to trans rights. And again, I'm not going to get 55 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: into that whole debate whatever. You can have your own 56 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: view on it. I think it's actually something that affects 57 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: very few people. That's been used as a maine gun, 58 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: used as a political weapon to try and start a 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: culture war that really doesn't need to be started. 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: But that's just me. Never mind. 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: So there's a group called a Women's Action Group and 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: they have a little protest, a little demonstration on the 63 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: steps of Parliament House to say, how you know, women 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: need safe spaces and trans women shouldn't be allowed in them, 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: YadA YadA. Yeah, So you know, they get up, they talk, 66 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: and of course you can't have a protest these days 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: without having a counter protest. And so this women's Action 68 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: group event gets targeted by a group calling themselves Trans 69 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: Queer Solidarity. So they're out there and they do their 70 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: little counter protests. It gets a bit nasty. They're throwing 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: water balloons, they're throwing eggs. What is it with the 72 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: left and eggs? Just love eggs, good source of protein, 73 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: but come on, it's food waste. Anyway, someone got arrested, 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: a woman from Brunswick. They also carried the placard and 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: this I found intriguing. Fascist graves, gender neutral toilets. I 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: majored in English at university and I still don't know 77 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: what that means. Now, why is this important? What does 78 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: this have to do with the price of fish my life? 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to pay the mortgage, to pay the rent. 80 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: Was it even got to do with mainstream politics? Peter 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: Darton or Anthony ALBERANINSI the labor government, liberal opposition. We 82 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: got an election coming up in a few months. Here's 83 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: just a few crazy radicals on the fringes, yelling at 84 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: each other, screaming at each other, throwing eggs at each other. 85 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: What is the point. 86 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Well, the problem is that when you have these forces 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 2: on the left who are trying to drag the government 88 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: to a position or just making lots of noise and 89 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: again starting these culture wars that can then be weaponized, 90 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: it ends up sort of reflecting back on the major 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: political parties and sort of acting like a ball and 92 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: chain around their feet, dragging them to a place they 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: don't want to be. Because another thing that was at 94 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: this rally, and this is what really surprised me, even 95 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: more than the fact that fascist graves are gender neutral toilets, 96 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: a fact I did not know was that someone had 97 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: just rocked up at this trans rights rally, which was 98 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: a counter protest to the anti trans rights rally, and 99 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: someone has rocked up carrying a Palestinian flag and starts 100 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: waving it around. 101 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: What the fuck does Palestine have to do with any 102 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: of this? 103 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: Nothing, But of course if you're on the left, everything's 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: got to do with Palstarian is all part of the 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: omni cause. Now again, I'm not going to get into 106 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: the conflict with Gaza, but the thing is that they 107 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: try to make everything about these sort of hot button issues, 108 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: even when the number one issue for everybody has nothing 109 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: to do with these things. A survey in New South 110 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: Wales by the Office of Children Young People, even among 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: young people, these types of people like the most radical people. 112 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: You know, we're all the most radical in our youth. 113 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: At Winston Churchill famously is supposed to have said, although 114 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: he didn't quite say it, that if you're not a 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: socialist at eighteen, you have no heart, and if you're 116 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: still a socialist at fifty, you have no head point 117 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: being even among young people, typically the most politically radical 118 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: cost of living is the number one on most important 119 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 2: issue they named. 120 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: They did a huge survey. 121 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: Kids and literally kids and young adults aged ten to 122 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: twenty four. They found that cost of living was such 123 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: a massive issue they didn't have to be asked about. 124 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: They actually volunteered before anyone said, you know, ABC or. 125 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: D, there's a cost of living. 126 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: Thirty five percent of them named this unprovoked, as the 127 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: just came straight out of the blocks and said this 128 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: is what we're most worried about. You want to compare 129 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: that that was the end of last year. Two years 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: earlier that was. 131 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Just eight percent. 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: So it has gone from eight percent of people mentioning it. 133 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: Young people ten year olds to twenty four year olds 134 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: talking about cost of living economic issues unheard of. These 135 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: are usually people who were most preoccupied with ideological issues 136 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: or anxiety about climate change, that sort of stuff. Anyway, 137 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: cost of living more than quadrupled from eight percent to 138 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: thirty five percent of young people mentioning it completely straight 139 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: off the bat in just two years. 140 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: Phenomenal stuff. 141 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: So again, cost of living is all people care about, 142 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: but no one's throwing eggs over it. No one's having 143 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: rallies and counter rallies over cost of living. They're just 144 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: quietly fretting about it. But the extremes on either side 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: are trying to force the major parties to talk about 146 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: these other issues. Now, this brings us to what's happened 147 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: in the last week in and around Parliament, where Peter 148 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: Dutton has decided, right, I've got a hot one here. 149 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to use the fact that the government has 150 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: stuffed up immigration detention. There was a High Court judgment 151 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: of course, where detainees had to be released even though 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: they'd been charged or convicted of terrible criminal acts, and 153 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: some of them are reoffended in the community. 154 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: So the government's no good at keeping Australian safe from immigrants. 155 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 2: Is basically the line. And you know, in this case 156 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: it's completely correct. They completely stuffed it up. But then 157 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 2: he sort of puts that on top of the threat 158 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: potential threat from refugees from Gaza and a couple of 159 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: thousand of humanitarian or tourist visas given for humanitarian reasons, 160 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: two people in Gaza the Australian government. Now there's been 161 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: concerns raised over whether or not enough security checks have 162 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: been done. 163 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: Fine, that's a valid concern, absolutely. 164 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: But Dunton then goes one step further and says, no, 165 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: we should just ban them all. No more refugees from Gaza, 166 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: no more. And then when starts a cop a bit 167 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: of heat from that, he says, oh no, no, I 168 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: meant no more refugees from Gaza without. 169 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: The appropriate security checks. Proper security checks. 170 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: Now, they are pretty good reasons why you probably can't 171 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: do appropriate security checks if you're trying to get someone 172 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: out of a live war zone with bonds raining down 173 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: on top of them, because none of the other Arab 174 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: countries around Israel are actually letting them come out, to 175 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: their absolute shame, so it's not like they consider in 176 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: a UN refugee camp as they did in previous conflicts 177 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: with Syria for example, and just sit there and wait 178 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 2: for a vetting process that could take months to accomplish. 179 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: So again, if you want to. 180 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: Save these people's lives, you've got to get get them 181 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: out of there pretty quickly. And perhaps not all security procedures, 182 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: security vetting procedures were as thorough as they should have been. 183 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: In fact, there's been about twenty I believe who have 184 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: since had their visas revoked and forty who have had 185 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: their visas actually revised or canceled. So point being, Dutton 186 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: knows that he's on to a winner here. Otherwise he 187 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: wouldn't have said it. He's obviously thought, you know what, 188 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: I reckon Moss Jones quietly agree with me, and he's 189 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: come out and said this, and then almost right on 190 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: cure you could set your watch to it. Zally steggle 191 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: the till MP for Worringer comes out and says this. 192 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: Yes or no? Do you think Peter Duttan's a racist? 193 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: I think he's condoning racist policy. 194 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: So do you think he's a racist by association? Yes? 195 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: By calling him racist, your risking legal action, right, at 196 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: the moment. Well, again, I think there would be a 197 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: defense of truth when I look at the definition of 198 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: racism when I come to that policy. 199 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: Now again, Dunton can say whatever he wants. 200 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: Is a good political messager, he's a good political operator. 201 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: He's smart, despite what a lot of people think, and 202 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: not everyone hates him as much as the left seems 203 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: to think they do. 204 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: I know him. 205 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. He's a perfectly nice guy. Don't 206 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: agree with him on a lot of stuff, but he's 207 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: a lovely guy. But the Left things he's this big boogeyman. 208 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: In fact, can make everything about Dutton is evil, Dutton's 209 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: are racist, Dutton's horrible. Then they'll just cruise home to victory. 210 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: Now in teal seats, I'm sure most people do think that, 211 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: and the rest of the world, there's quite a lot 212 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: to suggest that people actually quietly agree with Peter dunt 213 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: I don't. There are plenty of people who would say, well, no, 214 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: why are we taking these people if we don't know 215 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: if they're terrorists or not, or terrorist sympathizers or not, 216 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: or who must supporters or not. 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: Now again, I do not. 218 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: Think that, But there are plenty of people who would, 219 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: and they are perfectly entitled to think that. And now, 220 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: of course that's all we're talking about, and we're talking 221 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: about whether or not Peter Dutton's a racist, and of 222 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: course labor is too sensible to call him a racist. 223 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: They're not that stupid. 224 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: But instead of talking about actual issues, they want to 225 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: talk about, like all the great stuff they're doing with 226 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 2: cost of living, the three hundred bucks they're giving you 227 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: on your electricity bill, or the tax cuts that kicked 228 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: in on July one, or the free childcare. They're talking 229 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: about whether or not Peter Darton is a racist. And 230 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: why we're talking about whether or not Peter Dutton is 231 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: a racist because of his plan to stop people coming 232 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 2: in from Gaza. So we're talking about border security. We're 233 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: talking about the one issue on which labor is consistently 234 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: the weakest and the one issue which constantly comes up 235 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: from nowhere. When things are fine, things are good, the 236 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: boats have stopped, no one's thinking about border security. But 237 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: as soon as things are not fine, there's economic pressures, 238 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: people start to think about migration. As soon as there's 239 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: a war going on in conflict within the community, people 240 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: start to think about security and who we're letting into 241 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: the country and whether they are safe or not, and 242 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: that never plays well for Labor. Labour's always been seen 243 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: as and often has been, a party that embraces migration 244 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: and migrants and rightly so, and is a supporter of multiculturalism. 245 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: And when everything's going great, that's fine. But when things 246 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: are not going so great, and then probably not going 247 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: so great, this is not right. Now, has it to guess? 248 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: Then this is a terrible Achilles heel for Labor and 249 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: Dutton knows it. So again he is just throwing something 250 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: out there, a pretty outlandish, full on hardline, maybe even 251 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 2: extreme statement, saying no one else from Gaza that's it, 252 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 2: knowing that that will get everyone talking, even his enemies 253 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: attacking him for it, and Dutton apparently says he's seeking 254 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: legal advice over whether it's defamentry or not to call 255 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: him a racist, but whatever, that just keeps the story going, 256 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: point being this is what we're all talking about. 257 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:25,479 Speaker 3: We're all talking. 258 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: About, including myself quite frankly, all talking about the one 259 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: area where Labor doesn't want us to be talking about. 260 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: And Labor is falling into the trap as well by 261 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: attacking Peter Dutton for what he said. And if this 262 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: sounds familiar, it should because it's exactly what he did 263 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: with nuclear power. He talks about this plan pie in 264 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: the sky. It's never going to happen to have seven 265 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: nuclear power plants. It's too expensive, it's too long term. 266 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: You know, there'll be nimby saying I don't want it 267 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: anywhere near me. And again, it's never going to happen. 268 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: And Dutton must know that, the Libs must know that, 269 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: but they put it out there because why because it 270 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 2: gets everyone talking about power and power security and power affordability, 271 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: how much your electricity bills costing. We're talking about things 272 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: that are a weak point for labor. And again with 273 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: border security, we are talking about things that are a 274 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: weak point for labor, and labor and the left more 275 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: generally see to keep falling for it. And this is 276 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: not to quote Gene Hackman from the Royal ten and bombs, 277 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: just one man's opinion. If you want proof that this 278 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: is all Peter Dunton and the Coalition want labor to 279 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: be talking about and the rest of us to be 280 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: thinking about. All we have to look at is Parliament 281 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: on Tuesday, and I'll quote a line from the Australian's 282 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: coverage the subject of every single question asked of Prime 283 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albanisi by the Coalition during question time. Every 284 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: single question, not most, every single one has focused on 285 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: the number of visas granted to arrivals from Gaza since 286 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: October seventh that have been later canceled. This is all 287 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: he wants the guy to talk about, because he knows 288 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: it's bad for them every time they do, because it 289 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: raises actual concerns in the community's mind about whether this 290 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: is actually safe. And is it about whether the community 291 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: is actually safe? Is it about whether or not we 292 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: should be letting more refugees from Gaza into Australia. 293 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think so. Somehow, Why is that because 294 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 4: we can't The borders are shut. There's no way of 295 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: getting any more of them out. The border has been 296 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: shut for three months, they shut in May. No one 297 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 4: can get any Palestinians out of Gaza, even if we 298 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: wanted to. So the band's there, It's been there for 299 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 4: three months before beat it up and even called for it. 300 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: That's the real story. 301 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: Well, our guest this week is probably the specialist of 302 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: special guests that we've had. I've loved them all, but 303 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: we've just ratted it up a notch. He is the 304 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: ma of the moment. He is the man with the 305 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: golden gun, and that gun is in the shape of 306 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: a LOGI yes, he won gold on Sunday night, shocked everybody, 307 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: including himself, but not me because I always knew it 308 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: was going to happen. Larry Emder, now, congratulations. I am 309 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: so wrapped. I'm on the record as being all in 310 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: on Emda for gold. I'm pretty sure it was this 311 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: podcast endorsement that got the time. I think, don't get 312 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: me wrong, you were tracking okay, but you know, I 313 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: just need that little. 314 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: Push talk us through. 315 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: I want to get sort of right into the guts 316 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: of how do you because you were genuinely surprised that 317 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: you were. 318 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: I gave myself zero chance of that, and I've resigned 319 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: myself to the fact that it's just not happening. So 320 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: I just kind of didn't care, and I was just 321 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: waiting for it to finish so I could kind of 322 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: go home. So it was I was not in the game. 323 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: I was not in the space at all. In my head. 324 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I'd convinced myself that it was going to be either 325 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Robert Irwin with his massive of following social media following 326 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: it and he's fantastic, or it was going to be 327 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: a primetime superstar, and that's not what I am. You know, 328 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: like the Morning Show, it's. 329 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: Not just I know mornings are where it's at Intel. 330 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you get it. But it's a great show. 331 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: I love it, and we've been going for a long time, 332 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: but it's not it's not your big primetime audience. And 333 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: the chase is sort of late afternoon, so you're. 334 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: Talking primetime adjacent. 335 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: That's right off Broadway. And they're great shows and they're 336 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: both very successful. Touch would, but they're not the they're 337 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: not the big primetime machines. And that's in my head. 338 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: I'd gone go there, have a nice free meal, I've 339 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: got a new suit and go. 340 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: Now. 341 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: Anyone else I would say, that's bullshit and it's just 342 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: faux modesty. But obviously we know each other. We've been 343 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: mate for many many years, and I know you and 344 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: you are generally the nicest, humblest guy, and tell you so, 345 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: I actually believe. 346 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: You, so thank you. 347 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad. 348 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: Which if you are actually trying to bullshit me, well done. 349 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: That's a master stroke. But whether you think you're going 350 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: to win or not, whether you are really into it 351 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: or not, or something you really want, it doesn't matter. 352 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: Seven wants you to win at the publicity machine wants 353 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: you to win it. How does a logi's campaign start 354 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: once they realize, okay, you got the nomination, it's all 355 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: systems go. The machine starts to And. 356 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: I was a hostage in that. And you know me 357 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: well enough to know that's the truth that I was 358 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: incredibly grateful. I was thrilled to be nominated. It meant 359 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot to me. I was flattered. But I said 360 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: to them as soon as they told me, my first concern. 361 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: My first concern was, I said, the first words out 362 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: of my mouth, I can't do that thing where I 363 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: stand on a street corner and go vote for me. Well, 364 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I can't. 365 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: Like it's unbecoming, it's just not that's fair. 366 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. And that was actually the 367 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: first words out of my mouth. So and I thought, 368 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: probably in retrospect, that sounded ungrateful for the machine that 369 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: was about to turn on behind me. But I was 370 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: just like, that's I can't do that. 371 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: You can't you can't hang out your shingle. 372 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: You're not you can't be a spruker, you know, you 373 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: don't want to be that, like that guy who stands 374 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: outside the fruit and vegetable shops love. 375 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 3: Beats three bucks a KREI very freshly, see like, although 376 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: I'd be very good at that, but. 377 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: I said that early. They got it and said, I 378 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: don't want to break from the guy that people may like, 379 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to become that sproken guy. 380 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: So I'll campaign on my social media, but I'll do 381 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: it my way. So that involves taking the piss, having fun, 382 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: knocking myself down. And I think that was okay. 383 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: And that was that was when I knew that it 384 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: was working, because it was so kind of genuine. You 385 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: were taking the piss, but not in a kind of 386 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: not in a sort of sabotage. Why not like oh 387 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: who wants to logan? 388 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 3: No? No, no, It was like a really kind of you. 389 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 3: And it was so funny. 390 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: You are actually people don't realize you're actually one of 391 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: the funniest spokes on television. Taught me everything I know, 392 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: which involve you know, like pretending to read a book, 393 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: upside doubt or you're right right, dressing up as Michael Bolton. 394 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Those are those are the class since Ernie and Denise 395 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: comedy like that. 396 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 3: That's right, we should do hate Paul that. 397 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: It was very very funny. It was very very warm, 398 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: and it was very kind of I don't know, it 399 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: was kind of like accessible. It was just like you. 400 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: It was just you doing your thing. It was very 401 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: you know, well. 402 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad you spotted that. I know you've got a 403 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: cynical eye across the media, and I'm glad you could 404 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: see through that and just see that I was just 405 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: trying to I was just trying to keep it honest, 406 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to break from I didn't want 407 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: to change into a different Larry MD or a hard 408 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: cell Larry Emda. I think that would have repelled people. 409 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: And I'm glad that people could just come along and go. 410 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: I was just having fun with this. 411 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: And then the master stroke is that you come out 412 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: the week of the Logis with just days to go 413 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: and say, I am so convinced I will not win, 414 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: that I will get the tattoos, I will get the 415 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: initials of the other nominees tattooed on my ass if 416 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: I do win. Now again, people said, look look at 417 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: Larry so humble, you know, honestly, just you know, you 418 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: know he's promising that now, Oh my god, now he 419 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: actually has to do. 420 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: How crazy. 421 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: I am absolutely convinced that you knew you are You're humble, 422 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: but you're not stupid, You're smart. And I reckon you 423 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: knew that, as they say in US politics, that that 424 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: was a guaranteed get out the vote pool, that you 425 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: knew that people would come out and they would vote 426 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: for you just to see that happen. 427 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: Well, tell me I'm wrong, No, no, no. 428 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: I thought that would create a stir, clearly, but I 429 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: didn't think it would win. I thought it would create 430 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: a lot of fun for the morning show, and then 431 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: I thought maybe I should ring John Singleton and go, mate, 432 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: do you think that's a good idea. It's a good scare. 433 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: It's like sex. People want to see my ass now 434 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: so good too. I didn't think it was a winner. 435 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I knew it would create some noise and that was 436 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: the fun thing. And it did you know it? 437 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: Did? I reckon. 438 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 2: I reckon you had it in the bag before that, 439 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: But I reckon that is what absolutely stealed the deal. 440 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: And you can sel I've sacrificed my Was it the 441 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: left or the right as the well, depends which way 442 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: you're looking at it was my right, but you're starch left. Yeah, 443 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: it depends which way. 444 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: I guess. 445 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: It depends which way you're coming at it from. 446 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well there's only the right. 447 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: Way when I'm in prison, I guess. 448 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. 449 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, and talk us through the day itself, 450 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: because I actually said to one of your colleagues on 451 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: the Sunday, I said, one of the few benefits of 452 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: being fired from television is that you don't have to 453 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: go to the logans. 454 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: It's long because it is long. 455 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: I'm not saying logs are bad, the great, fun to 456 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: watch and everything, but it is. You know, the day 457 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: doesn't start at seven thirty. So talk us through what 458 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: goes on backstage on the actual day. 459 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: Well the actual day. So we start. We start with 460 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: little cocktail party at Channel seven, sort of cocktail party 461 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: and photos at about it's about two thirty maybe three o'clock. 462 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: My god, that's a laser. But you're but Sylviy. 463 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: So the girls, the girls, all the girls are in makeup. 464 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: Is you know, ten and eleven o'clock in the morning. 465 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: So Sylvie a reluctant participant in all of this because 466 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: she hates that. 467 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 3: Think of the wives and families. 468 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, pray for the prey vives in their lowly dresses 469 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: with jewelry or not, for. 470 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: Those who haven't been left behind, for those who are forced. 471 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: But Sylvie, for so many years, she came to a 472 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: couple of many years ago, she goes, you know, just 473 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: go without me, go and talk to your TV friends 474 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: about TV and I'll be fine. So but because of 475 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: the gold nomination, you know, she gets to come, and 476 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: I'm so glad she was there. But she was very 477 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: uncomfortable along the red carpet being interviewed, and she wasn't. 478 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: That wasn't her happy place. So I was, you know, 479 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: we're anxious for her, and she was. But she did 480 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: a beautiful job. She looked amazing, and all the interviews she. 481 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: Did she was married, well, right, you married well long 482 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: and well. 483 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: So she gets in it about ten ten thirty in 484 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: the morning. 485 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: And I started with the hair. 486 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: She's already looking at a twelve hour. 487 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Day, rightass plus plus. 488 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: And then you and the boy are so good? Isn't 489 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: it being a bloken Telly? Because you just rock up 490 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: four hours later. 491 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 492 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well while she was doing that, I went for 493 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: a walk in the pouring rain around here for two hours. 494 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: It was fantas actually exactly what I needed. And then 495 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: because of my magnificent haircut, I don't spend any time 496 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: in here and makeup at all, so I just slipped on. 497 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: In fact, the publicist was in the room with us, 498 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: just walking us through what interviews and stuff we had 499 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: to do, and I think we had to be downstairs. 500 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: It's a quarter to three and it was twenty to three, 501 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: and she said, are you going to get changed? I 502 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: was just like, okay, I'll put my suit on. So 503 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: we're lucky, right, yeah, we're so lucky, just born perfect, 504 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: I guess. 505 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 506 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: So you go to the cocktail party, and again I've 507 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: been to these cocktail parties and you think, finally we're 508 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: out of hair and makeup, got the monkey suit on, 509 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: finally can have relax and have a drink. And then 510 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: before you can even get your hands on one, they say, right, 511 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: you've got to go and do the red car. 512 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: If figure, red carpet and red carpet when you're a 513 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: gold nominee, Joe, I don't know if you know this. 514 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: Well I don't know this obviously, but. 515 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: You have to stop. Sorry was that triggering? 516 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm not a gold nomination. 517 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 2: You have to steal some one's silver. 518 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: You got when you go on the Red carpet, because 519 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: last year, when I was nominated for anything, you just 520 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: sort of cruise down and you get stopped by Channel 521 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: seven and a couple of the radio stations and that's it. 522 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: But when you're a gold nominee, as it turns out, 523 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: you got to stop every interview spot. So that took 524 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: an hour and a half more down the track. So 525 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: and you know, talking talking, talking, it was, but it 526 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: was fun as exciting. I don't want to write it off. 527 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: I'm just going to very quickly compare and contrast your 528 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: experience with my usual experience at the logos, which is 529 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: when you go to do the whole red carpet, in 530 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: which everyone wants to talk to, Sarah and Jessica Rowe 531 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: and Ida Buttrose and I stand there and hold their purses. 532 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: And then then you get to the photo wall where 533 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: you've got all the photographers who think and of course 534 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 2: I always been that, you know, I mean, I know 535 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: my face is what the Housewives of Australia are crying 536 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: out for but you know, so they again, you know, 537 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: Sarah and Jess and Ida and Denise, Dreis, the all 538 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: the big glamour zons, the big names and TV you know, 539 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: and they all get marched in front of the photo 540 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: war because other people, less immortals are allowed to sort 541 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: of run around. Of course, the publicier says no, no, no, 542 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: up you go, and so Ida comes out and there's 543 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: it's just like it is like a rainstorm. 544 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: It's like a lightning storm. 545 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, slash flash flash yes, yes, yes, yes, 546 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: and either comes out. 547 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: It's flash fresh, just comes out, flash fresh. Sarah comes out, 548 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: Flash fressh Denise, the whole thing, and I come out 549 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: and there's just this incredible silence. I've never felt so. 550 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: Tranquil and not one click. 551 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: Like occasionally it'll be like one of the one of 552 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: the shooters from the Telly or something, because I know a. 553 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 3: Lompathic Joe, Yeah good a Rascoe. 554 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Keep moving, keep moving. 555 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: He comes the home and awake. 556 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: So that's that's why you on the other hand, you're 557 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 2: the man man, You're the man of the moment. So 558 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: an hour and a half talking to every single person 559 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: red carpet. Yeah, and it's always, I know, like it's 560 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: always like the voice or something will have like seal 561 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: or someone and they'll be like, you know. 562 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: An army. 563 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: It's as though they kind of travel in a little 564 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: sort of yeah pack, but just like an army. 565 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: Of thirteen year old girls just screaming get that. 566 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: Didn't get that. I got to an army of great 567 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: great grandmothers holding their teeth in, yelling out, sure. 568 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: But why can't my daughter buy a house anymore? 569 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: But you know what they voted, Yes, they all voted, 570 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: and I love them all. 571 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: I've got a feel. 572 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: I know you talked about, you know, the sheer number 573 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: of the sheer volume of sort of social media follows 574 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: that you know, Robert Irwin has. But I've got a 575 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: feeling with daytime television and I don't. And I think 576 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 2: this is why you see so many more scandals and 577 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: outrages and Twitter storms and stuff with daytime television because 578 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: it's much more intimate than primetime. I think when you 579 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: sit down and watch a primetime show, right, I'm sitting 580 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: down and I'm watching literally watching a show, but I'm 581 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: watching someone perform something. Whereas when people sit down and 582 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: watch you or in the old days, Studio ten, or 583 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, any number of other shows. Even to a 584 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: lesser ex I think, yeah, you know Sunrise and the 585 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: Brecky shows, because then you're busy, you're getting ready to go. 586 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: Very different. 587 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: But if you're sitting at home, you're all in the 588 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: same room together, you're in your house. They're kind of 589 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 2: part of your routine. They're almost part of your family. 590 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: And you and I reckon, you would have you know. 591 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: There might not be in terms of just sheer, massive viewers, 592 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: the same as Prime time, but in the intensity and 593 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: the quality and the connection, I. 594 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: Reckon, they're very different relationships and intimate relationships. You're right, 595 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: we're in the lounge room, and if people are watching 596 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: at home at nine o'clock or ten o'clock in the morning, 597 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: there's a chance they're either in their pajamas or their 598 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: undies or breastfeeding babies or you know, and we're part 599 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: of that process. Sunrise and the Today Show are different. 600 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: It's transient. You'll get up, you'll have the TV on 601 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: in the background where you're getting ready for work, and 602 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: it is a very different relationship, as is the afternoon 603 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Game shows because you're either home, because you're home where 604 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: you've just come in from work, you're getting ready for dinner. 605 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: We're in the house and we're part of part of 606 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: the family and part of the real estate. And it's different, 607 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: as you're exactly right, Joan, For those big primetime shows, 608 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: the relationship are very different. 609 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: There's a ridiculous word that has become really really it's 610 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: the super super buzzword at the moment among sort of historians, 611 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: historians who podcasts basically, which is in itself a phenomenon, 612 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 2: and they say, it's liminal. It's a liminal place. It's 613 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: a between place in the sun. You know, the breakfast 614 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 2: slot and that kind of five pm slot is in 615 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: between place. But the mornings, you know, you're there, baby, Yeah, 616 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: you're right there. 617 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: If you're there, you're there. 618 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: You're in the lounge, you're on the couch. 619 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you're in the you're on the couch, you're 620 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: in your undies. You've got it, or maybe you're not. 621 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you're just in bed, that's right, watching the tell 622 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: we're undies. That's maybe it's winter. Maybe maybe your bum's call. 623 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: Maybe you've just had a tattoo on your bum, and 624 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: how is it healing up? By the way, I find thanks. 625 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable talking to you about my bum, but okay, fine, 626 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: you want to go. 627 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: I feel for me it's worth it. Speaking of which 628 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: I know. 629 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: And again, you know we've been out too many fantastic 630 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: lunches together. You always insisted on paying, because that's just 631 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: the kind of homogenous guy you are. I know, up 632 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: until now you probably thought it's just a bloody free loader. 633 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: You know you can't get a job a better But 634 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: now you realize, I imagine that what you were buying 635 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: with those lunches was access. 636 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: You were buying. 637 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: That's right, you're buying influence. You bought your way onto 638 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: the Real Story podcast. And that's how That's how shit 639 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: gets done in this town, isn't it? Well, Larry, you 640 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: are no longer gold Logier. Jason, you have got it 641 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: in your hot little hand. It's been an absolute pleasure, 642 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: and I know it has been a career highlight for 643 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: you as well. 644 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on. 645 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: It really has, mate, Thank you very much, and of 646 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: course you'll shout for lunch now. 647 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: I might just go get my wallet. 648 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: And this week's question comes from Rebecca who hit me 649 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: up on the DMS on the IG. 650 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 3: I'm forty eight years old. 651 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: This is unbecoming anyway, Rebecca says, Hi, Joe, this is 652 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: something that's really annoyed me with many governments for a while. 653 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: They all pretend to care about housing and it's availab 654 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: ability or affordability, but they won't get rid of negative 655 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: gearing or even scale it down to only one house 656 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: or something like that. It's a no brainer. They're also 657 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: selfish and would rather kick the can down the road 658 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: by letting people dig into their super all the stupid ideas. 659 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: Sorry for the rant, but I hate it. Love your 660 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: show as usual. Oh thanks, Rebecca. Rebecca, it's an absolute 661 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: million dollar question. In fact, with house prices where they are, 662 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: it's probably more than a million dollar question. So Bill 663 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: Shorten took precisely that policy to the one you mentioned 664 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: to the twenty nineteen election, and it was meant to 665 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: be an unlosable election for Labor and they lost it. 666 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: And this has spooked Labor something chronic. It has scared 667 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: the beg's out of them and they are not going 668 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: to touch negative gearing. 669 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: With a barge pole for a very long time. 670 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: For precisely that reason, and if you were designing a 671 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: housing system or a taxation system, you would not have 672 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: negative gearing anywhere near it. 673 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: It's insane. 674 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: The difference is that the housing crisis we've got now 675 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: is not just a home ownership crisis, which was what 676 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: most people were concerned about just a few years ago, 677 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: but a rental crisis. So we have got a problem 678 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: where it is even more immediate and acute, where people 679 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: can't even rent, people who aren't even thinking about saving 680 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: up enough money to afford a deposit to even try 681 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: to buy a house. People cannot even find places to rent. 682 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: And if you want a place to rent, you need 683 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: lots of investment properties. You need lots of properties owned 684 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 2: by someone else that they want to rent out to 685 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: other people. So you actually want to make it more 686 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: attractive for people to have investment properties so that they 687 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: can then rent them out. So it's an extremely good question, 688 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: and sadly the nature of the housing crisis has changed, 689 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: has actually gotten worse, to the point where we need 690 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: as many rental properties as we can. 691 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: Then we can think. 692 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: About what we do to make houses more affordable. Once 693 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: more people are able to afford even just a roof 694 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: over their heads. And that's all we have time for today. 695 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to the Real Story. I've 696 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: had a great time. I know you have to. 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