Speaker 1: We first came to know Martha Califortitis, a name that
Speaker 1: I love to say. In twenty eighteen on TV, Jungernaut
Speaker 1: and Everyone's favorite hate Watch married at first sight. In
Speaker 1: a surprise to me and frankly most people. She has
Speaker 1: stayed and has subsequently has had an actual baby with
Speaker 1: her TV storyline by Michael Irl. That's in real life
Speaker 1: for those of you who aren't up with the lingo.
Speaker 1: But there's always been more to Martha than her TV beginnings,
Speaker 1: and I've always loved her candor, sass and unaffected attitude.
Speaker 1: Queen of the influences, She's navigated her fame with grace, authenticity,
Speaker 1: and a classically Greek family first vibe, not to mention
Speaker 1: some serious business acumen. But what don't we know about Martha?
Speaker 1: Chrissy Castas, please meet the ever surprising Martha Califetitis. Welcome Martha.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was such a good intro.
Speaker 1: So good, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I love the IRL and all the little ingo bits
Speaker 2: that you've put in there.
Speaker 1: I love that you as surprised as me that you
Speaker 1: fell in love with somebody, and now that you've got
Speaker 1: a baby.
Speaker 2: Very surprised by it.
Speaker 3: Every morning when I wake up and it's now you know,
Speaker 3: now my son and Michael, and I'm just like, this
Speaker 3: is so weird.
Speaker 1: From a TV show.
Speaker 3: I know. Look, it's not every morning that I think that,
Speaker 3: but some there are some moments where I'm just like,
Speaker 3: it's so strange that this guy's like.
Speaker 2: It's just strange. But I feel like life's.
Speaker 1: Weird, yes, and that's what makes it great.
Speaker 3: So and every time, like, do you know what my
Speaker 3: grandmother always says to me, like she she always brings
Speaker 3: it up. She's like, you know, in Greek we say
Speaker 3: like we say a malai yea and am alike you
Speaker 3: is like something stupid. She goes, look in Greek, She's like,
Speaker 3: you did a malak Yeah, and look how it turned
Speaker 3: out so well for you.
Speaker 1: You did a malachia. It's the best thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: She's like, you've done this my like yeah, and look
Speaker 3: how it's turned out. And I like usually she always
Speaker 3: like brings up and reminds me and it makes me think, like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I know, like I can't believe I
Speaker 3: went on that show like I would have on maths.
Speaker 1: Has the outcome of that risk, which has been fantastic
Speaker 1: for you, has that kind of influenced other decisions that
Speaker 1: you've been faced.
Speaker 3: With, as in like in terms of risk taking, No,
Speaker 3: I've always been pretty Yeah, I like to take a risk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, you know.
Speaker 3: How they say curiosity killed the cat. My parents always
Speaker 3: say that to me because I was always very curious
Speaker 3: still am, and I just yeah, I take risks.
Speaker 1: You have had a baby within the last year. Has
Speaker 1: that had a catastrophic impact on your life or are
Speaker 1: you okay, I'm chilling.
Speaker 3: I'm so chill. I'm more chill now with the baby
Speaker 3: than I was before. Yeah, I'm relaxed. I'm a chilled parent.
Speaker 1: I'm very right. Speaking about your parenting, I read somewhere
Speaker 1: that you're keeping that private, the way that you parent,
Speaker 1: and I think that's really smart.
Speaker 3: There's so many mixed opinions. You share one thing and
Speaker 3: then you have like an army coming for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But also, I just don't think I'm one to give
Speaker 3: advice on parenting because the way I parent is not
Speaker 3: it's very relaxed, and I'm just I don't do any
Speaker 3: of the you know, the sleep training. There's no routines,
Speaker 3: there's no like and this is what he can eat
Speaker 3: and this is what he can't eat, and he's not
Speaker 3: ready for this. I just kind of chill and let
Speaker 3: him do whatever he feels. And I just kind of
Speaker 3: obviously I'm supervising he's not like home alone.
Speaker 2: You know, he's.
Speaker 1: Started doing makeup tutorials. He's playing with power points. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's safe.
Speaker 3: But like I just, yeah, I just am really relaxed
Speaker 3: about it all. So I don't like to really I
Speaker 3: don't feel like I have much advice to give.
Speaker 2: I just do what feels right. And it's really kind
Speaker 2: of intuitive.
Speaker 1: And also the last thing you want is advice from
Speaker 1: other people.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy to listen to everyone's kind of you know,
Speaker 3: little bits of advice and take it on board. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I just I guess,
Speaker 3: I just do what feels right. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: so funny because like as a mother or as a parent,
Speaker 3: you are so intuitive when it comes to your kids.
Speaker 3: Like the other day, he went for a walk with
Speaker 3: my dad in the prem and when he came back,
Speaker 3: I picked him up and I was like, he's not well.
Speaker 2: He's not well.
Speaker 3: I knew from like the first sound that he made,
Speaker 3: the way he looked at me, and then I took
Speaker 3: his temporature he had a fever. He ended up having
Speaker 3: a fever for like three or four days, like he
Speaker 3: couldn't break this fever. And I just feel like it's
Speaker 3: amazing how intuitive you are, like when it comes to
Speaker 3: your kids. And I think that's like everyone that has kids,
Speaker 3: but you know you've got three, Like, yeah, something's not right.
Speaker 1: I'm a big one on smell. I can smell when
Speaker 1: they're sick because I'm like a bloodhound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can smell like yeah or something.
Speaker 1: Like last week, Leo was talking to me and I
Speaker 1: was like, you're getting sick. There's a funny smell or something.
Speaker 1: Some times their eyes are a different color, like they're
Speaker 1: just a bit paler than usual, and I'll notice that
Speaker 1: and then sure enough, in two or three days their
Speaker 1: lame is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing, But it's just I feel like parenting
Speaker 3: is something that you need to Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: there's really a book that you can read or there's
Speaker 3: like rules that you can follow, because I think every
Speaker 3: kid's different.
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like it's a book being written
Speaker 1: by the two of you and the two of you
Speaker 1: only yeah, you know, and nobody knows what's coming next.
Speaker 3: Like, I didn't read anything good I had the baby.
Speaker 3: I didn't read any books about birthing, parenting.
Speaker 1: Good, good to any of it?
Speaker 2: Never do yeah, no, that would be my advice.
Speaker 1: Is never do. Yeah, just my one piece of advice.
Speaker 1: Don't read the books.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let it be a surprise and surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. It is good.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: One of my greatest regrets is that I wasn't born
Speaker 1: Greek and you are. I mean, I'm jealous as hell.
Speaker 1: You know what? You just get that without even working
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: Mary always says, there's Greeks and there's people that want
Speaker 3: to be Greek.
Speaker 2: That's man, there's the wannabes.
Speaker 1: Can you please tell me, in your opinion being one
Speaker 1: of the chosen ones, what is the best thing that
Speaker 1: I'm missing out on by being a boring Australian.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the food's good, Like, the food's great,
Speaker 3: But like the thing about Greeks is like they just gal, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, how good is that? What is that?
Speaker 3: It's fucking reacting wrapped in philo pastry baked and then
Speaker 3: like honey and like syrup is dumped on it, Like
Speaker 3: how could something.
Speaker 1: More so many processes. It's not many way that women
Speaker 1: just go whatever. I mean, twenty hours of labor.
Speaker 3: No, if you open up your own Philo pastry. But
Speaker 3: you can just buy Philo from nowadays, it just comes like,
Speaker 3: you know, you can just go to Cole's, get the
Speaker 3: Philo pastry, dump the custard on it, and put in
Speaker 3: the oven. But if you want to make your own
Speaker 3: Philo pastry, well, hey.
Speaker 1: Can you make your own feel like I have?
Speaker 3: I've made it with my yea yeah, ma ya Yam
Speaker 3: makes it. It's it's so crazy if you watch the
Speaker 3: way Philo pastry is made. Because Maya Ya's about half
Speaker 3: my height and I'm only five to two.
Speaker 2: She's like the size of this mug.
Speaker 1: And she one of those like Leo when he was
Speaker 1: literally he had a little door of the explorer step.
Speaker 3: Just their kitchen is built like, oh bless, that's so cute.
Speaker 3: So everything's like waist height on my love, you'd hit
Speaker 3: your head on all the cars. I really would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like that Gulliver's travels.
Speaker 2: But she opens up her own pastry.
Speaker 3: It's wild to watch because she's tiny and the Philo
Speaker 3: pastry opens up to like the size of like a
Speaker 3: queen sized sheet, Like it's you know, like that big.
Speaker 1: How does she get it so thin?
Speaker 3: She's got like a it's almost like a broomstick sized
Speaker 3: rolling pin, but it's not a broom like my grandfather
Speaker 3: like made it for her. And she rolls it out
Speaker 3: and rolls it out and rolls it out, and it's
Speaker 3: like the size of a bed sheet and she opens
Speaker 3: it on a bench, flower goes everywhere, like we all
Speaker 3: have to go over and help her clean up after.
Speaker 1: That's a very romantic gift that your grandfather gave your
Speaker 1: grandmother a handmade Philo rolling pin.
Speaker 3: Roll because she made a lot of Philo pastry to
Speaker 3: make us all like.
Speaker 1: Keep talking, yeah, some what else? What else have you got?
Speaker 1: Look of mothers?
Speaker 2: Oh, he was the master of making local mothers.
Speaker 1: So a looka martis if you are, you know, unfortunately
Speaker 1: not Greek like me, but I know my way around
Speaker 1: a look of maths. It's basically a syrupy doughnut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little it's like a little round
Speaker 3: drop of fried dough and it's really light and like
Speaker 3: it's not dowey. Actually the inside is very airyan light,
Speaker 3: but the outside's crisp and like fried dough, and then
Speaker 3: you drizzle honey on it and cinnamon and some crushed walnuts.
Speaker 3: Is the way we do it. We're purists. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: comes to local mothers. We don't do tella.
Speaker 1: You're not fucking around. Tell her on their look of mothers.
Speaker 3: No or syrup for that matter. We use honey from
Speaker 3: my bubble's bee hive in the backyard.
Speaker 1: Look at you.
Speaker 3: I know. So that's that's why there's Greeks and then
Speaker 3: there's the wannabes.
Speaker 1: Correct? Are you going to learn all this stuff from
Speaker 1: your yaya?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can make the Philo pastry is just really tedious.
Speaker 1: And I have a deep friar in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Do you that's perfect for making?
Speaker 1: Can you teach me how to make so easy? That's
Speaker 1: what I love the most about people speaking Greek? Is
Speaker 1: that lazy d th h? Look?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we don't really have a t h. We
Speaker 2: have a D delta.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite. Yes, can you say a few more
Speaker 1: words with that? With the the.
Speaker 2: What else can I say?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The microphone.
Speaker 3: I can't think of this, I can't think. Now you've
Speaker 3: caught me off guard. Oh wait, I can't really think
Speaker 3: of any with the best. I'm going to come to
Speaker 3: chat GPT.
Speaker 1: I need this. I need you to do this for
Speaker 1: me while I watch you do it.
Speaker 2: What about yemists? They're good?
Speaker 1: What are they?
Speaker 3: The stuffed peppers with rice and minced meats and parsley,
Speaker 3: the herbs.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Have you not had I didn't
Speaker 1: know that that's what it was?
Speaker 3: Oh, you have had them? Though, yes, I was going
Speaker 3: to say, you haven't lived. What about bustitch or do
Speaker 3: you know what that is? That's like the Greek lasagna,
Speaker 3: but it's a hundred times better because there's feta cheese
Speaker 3: in it and bechamel, although beamel is not very Greek,
Speaker 3: but you know, busty choice, it's like heaven. My yea
Speaker 3: ya is like Maya is the best cook, like no
Speaker 3: one I've gone and eaten at other year. You the's
Speaker 3: houses right, just hers, heats hard?
Speaker 1: Can I come to have you?
Speaker 2: Every Monday? We have dinner at my ear every Monday.
Speaker 3: She has my mum. My Mom's got three sisters, so
Speaker 3: there's four of them. They come with their four husbands
Speaker 3: and they all have like three or four kids each
Speaker 3: and they all come over so every Monday. There's about
Speaker 3: thirty of us, maybe more. How many is that?
Speaker 1: And are you all like rude and naughty to each other?
Speaker 1: I love that about Greek people.
Speaker 3: Polatile and very opinionated about each other. Is the way
Speaker 3: they look, what they're eating, what they're doing. Are they
Speaker 3: helping clean? If you don't help clean, or you get
Speaker 3: crucified because love looks like hate. That's what I love
Speaker 3: about judgment. Yes, do you take things personally?
Speaker 2: You can't take things personally.
Speaker 1: What is one of the meanest things that one of
Speaker 1: your family members have said to you?
Speaker 3: Well, they all we're all we all talk about each
Speaker 3: other's weight, and no one looks like everyone.
Speaker 2: No one's a supermodel.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Everyone's very ordinary looking.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: your family. I would say that none of you are
Speaker 1: very ordinary. Look.
Speaker 3: Look, no one's super fit, I should say, apart from Michael.
Speaker 2: But he's the odd one out.
Speaker 1: He's like but he's not Greek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, he's not Greek.
Speaker 3: There's my brother who's like super fit, super lean, very
Speaker 3: fussy about what he eats.
Speaker 2: He's like the only one for the rest of the family.
Speaker 1: Is he your Mum's favorite.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is?
Speaker 1: How does that feel.
Speaker 2: Good for him?
Speaker 3: I don't want to be married's favorite. She's a fucking
Speaker 3: ball breaker, Like if I was, no, I could never
Speaker 3: be physician.
Speaker 2: Myself to be her least favor.
Speaker 1: There's three of you, two girls and a boy. The
Speaker 1: boy's the favorite, of course. What about out of the girls,
Speaker 1: are you like the least favorite?
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah, me and Mary clash?
Speaker 1: Do you well?
Speaker 2: She had me when I was really young, when she
Speaker 2: was really young? Sorry, how young? Twenty one?
Speaker 1: Oh that is young? So like, where so she resents
Speaker 1: your existence?
Speaker 3: No? Probably because I stole her youth. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you do the crime, you know what I mean? No,
Speaker 3: she actually always says like even like because I had
Speaker 3: Luch I was thirty four when I had Loach, and
Speaker 3: she's like, oh, I was done having kids at your age.
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, but I was done living and I
Speaker 3: was ready to have kids. You can't say the same,
Speaker 3: you know. She's always trying to like, you know what
Speaker 3: do you? So? They even give me like cheap shots,
Speaker 3: like they even say mean things about me having a baby,
Speaker 3: like Chrissy, mean things about everything. Everything is a mistake,
Speaker 3: everything's wrong, everything someone else could do better.
Speaker 2: When you're great.
Speaker 1: What's the last insult you've received from someone that you're
Speaker 1: related to and want the exact words?
Speaker 2: There's so many. How can I think of one?
Speaker 3: Mary? Probably even just on the way here, just before
Speaker 3: I got here, just insulting me about you know, Oh,
Speaker 3: I was so organized, My kids were organized. My kids
Speaker 3: would have been fed and ready for their nap at
Speaker 3: this time of the day. And your son's still sleeping, like,
Speaker 3: get him up, start the day and everything?
Speaker 2: Is she done it? She does it better? She was better?
Speaker 1: And does it hurt your feelings? Whatever? I let her.
Speaker 3: Talk like my son's sleeping in People would kill for
Speaker 3: their kids to sleep until nine am.
Speaker 1: That's true. I kill that's true. Does he get all
Speaker 1: that delicious food as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He eats everything.
Speaker 1: I hate him.
Speaker 3: He hates everything, Absolutely hate him.
Speaker 1: Do you want to play around of the fixer?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's the fixer?
Speaker 1: I imagine that you would be very good at advice?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you have mentors for some Greek grizzy exactly,
Speaker 3: you know everything?
Speaker 1: All right, let's start with this one. Linda has sent
Speaker 1: him a message.
Speaker 2: I already read it, did you, Yeah? I read it.
Speaker 2: It's about the dog. Licking the dishes in the dish wash.
Speaker 3: It's honestly, in a Greek household, it's upside down. You
Speaker 3: be crucified. No one would eat in your house. I'm
Speaker 3: going to read this. I can't believe you read that.
Speaker 3: From across the table, Linda says, I need to know
Speaker 3: if it's okay to let the dog lick the dishes
Speaker 3: before or even when they're already in the dishwasher. It
Speaker 3: seems environmentally friendly, but Judge family members think it's disgusting
Speaker 3: and needs to stop. Please provide a ruling. Okay, Martha Calafatitis,
Speaker 3: I've grown what you do.
Speaker 1: If you saw a dog licking your plate after dinner
Speaker 1: before it got washed.
Speaker 3: I never would never eat off that plate again, do
Speaker 3: you know? Like going back to me being Greek and
Speaker 3: you know the whole upbringing. We grew up in a
Speaker 3: very like in a Pino clean house and a domestos
Speaker 3: house and a Jief house, so everything's spotless.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a hospital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, animals very rarely are even allowed inside the house. Really,
Speaker 3: most animals are not even like pet like patted like
Speaker 3: you don't really even touch them much. You just feed
Speaker 3: them and like scream at them or talk to them
Speaker 3: or you know.
Speaker 1: That's about it, tell them that they're fat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Did you have pets growing up? Yes, a dog outside.
Speaker 3: I had a dog, but it ended up living with
Speaker 3: my grandparents and then it stayed outside.
Speaker 2: Yes, and we have a cat.
Speaker 3: Now, but she is an indoor cat that just gets
Speaker 3: abused all day about everything she does.
Speaker 1: But you just said that they're not allowed inside.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 3: But she's an indoor breed, so we just mary had
Speaker 3: to get over it because the cat would die outside.
Speaker 1: She must be the most neurotic cat stuck in a
Speaker 1: house where nobody wants her.
Speaker 3: No, she's neurotic. She's got OCD about cleaning herself. We
Speaker 3: had to take her to the vet because her fur
Speaker 3: is like wet all the time because she doesn't stop
Speaker 3: cleaning herself.
Speaker 2: You know why she's got OCD.
Speaker 1: Because she's not Greek and she's not match fit to
Speaker 1: deal with the insults.
Speaker 2: Going back to that, is it okay to let the dog?
Speaker 2: We would never.
Speaker 3: I would never, Like I wouldn't even drink water for
Speaker 3: I'd go in the bathroom and drink under the tap
Speaker 3: like that. When I was younger, when I was really young,
Speaker 3: this is going back. I remember like one day after
Speaker 3: school my friend I went to my friend's house after
Speaker 3: school and they had a cat and after and I
Speaker 3: remember like the cat was was walking on the kitchen
Speaker 3: bench and the and my friend's mum just lifted the
Speaker 3: tap and let the cat drink from under the tap.
Speaker 3: And I remember I told my mum when I got
Speaker 3: home that I saw that. My mum goes, don't eat
Speaker 3: anything from that house. Only if it comes in a packet,
Speaker 3: then you can eat something from that house. And she goes,
Speaker 3: when you go to the bathroom, don't wipe your hands
Speaker 3: on the towels, just let them air dry on you
Speaker 3: because you can't touch because of the germs.
Speaker 1: Grissy, Wow, I had no idea it was that forn
Speaker 1: fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think.
Speaker 1: It's okay for the cat to drink out. It's like
Speaker 1: a sprinkler, like a bah. It's not bad.
Speaker 3: But like this is me, this is in the like
Speaker 3: you know the world according to Mary call right, are
Speaker 3: you a clean free Yeah? I'm like that too now
Speaker 3: not as much, not as bad as my mum. Like
Speaker 3: I touch animals, I love animals. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I would let them lick off my plate.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. They'd have their own plate that I would clean,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, but.
Speaker 1: What is your stance on? You know, when you go
Speaker 1: to someone's house and just before you walk in the
Speaker 1: front door, some people will say, take your shoes off.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to take your shoes off, because
Speaker 3: Mary will just when you leave, she'll mop and vacuum.
Speaker 1: Does she start while the person is no?
Speaker 2: Because that's bad luck. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, I've really got a lot to learn about being great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So another thing that's so it's bad like no, well, look,
Speaker 3: it's it's like it's basically like this. So if you
Speaker 3: have people come and stay your house, yeah, and then
Speaker 3: they're leaving when they leave, different if they're coming to visit,
Speaker 3: but like if they've stayed with you right when they leave,
Speaker 3: you should never vacuum and mop immediately. You have to
Speaker 3: wait like maybe a day before you vacuum and mop
Speaker 3: and clean because it's bad luck. It's like you want
Speaker 3: them gone and then something bad might happen to them,
Speaker 3: especially if they've got a fly somewhere or drive somewhere.
Speaker 2: It's like you shouldn't do that. You have to wait
Speaker 2: because it's bad luck.
Speaker 1: I think that comes from the possibility that you say goodbye,
Speaker 1: so nice to have you here, and then I'm just imagining,
Speaker 1: you know, your mum fully naked vacuum cleaner doesn't want
Speaker 1: to get any germs on her straight away. And then
Speaker 1: the guests come back because they've forgotten something and they
Speaker 1: see a full forensic clean because these disgusting people have
Speaker 1: sullied Mary's house. I think that's why you've got to
Speaker 1: wait twenty four.
Speaker 2: Well, look, that could be one of the reason.
Speaker 1: I have been I have stayed at somebody's house before,
Speaker 1: and with a clean freak, and let me tell you,
Speaker 1: there is nothing more stressful. Oh you can't, You cannot relax,
Speaker 1: and you do one small thing and you so full
Speaker 1: of self loathing and hatred. Honestly that the person I
Speaker 1: was staying with, Cout was absolutely on. It was watching
Speaker 1: every move I made. If I put a drink down,
Speaker 1: I would see her see the ring on the table
Speaker 1: or glow.
Speaker 2: To put drinks down.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when I allowed to put drinks on the
Speaker 3: kitchen bench, No, that's what the thing's for, Chrissy.
Speaker 2: You don't put anything on the bench. The benches have
Speaker 2: to stay clean.
Speaker 1: No, but if you're sitting there and you have a drink.
Speaker 2: Too bad.
Speaker 1: No, you make it.
Speaker 2: It has to be. It has to hover.
Speaker 1: This person I was staying with could not wait in
Speaker 1: the end for me to leave, and I was still
Speaker 1: in the house when she got the domestos out and
Speaker 1: couldn't wait any longer to completely sterilize.
Speaker 2: Do that.
Speaker 1: I had showering it three times.
Speaker 3: No, she wouldn't do that. She's actually become way more
Speaker 3: relaxed as she's gotten older, and ever since we've had
Speaker 3: the baby, like now, she just she's changed a lot
Speaker 3: because it's too bad.
Speaker 1: In a previous life, you were a professional makeup artist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is a skill that I find like a
Speaker 1: full on superpower because I have no idea, and I'm
Speaker 1: obviously an ambassador for Priceline, so I've had to learn
Speaker 1: pretty quickly what to do. What is your number one
Speaker 1: tip for women of a certain age? What should we
Speaker 1: not be doing and what should we be doing well?
Speaker 2: Regardless of age.
Speaker 3: We should all be cleansing our face really well every night,
Speaker 3: and we should be wearing sunscreen every day. That those
Speaker 3: two things are the most important.
Speaker 1: What about a double cleanse? Do you double cats?
Speaker 2: I always. Of course I double clan.
Speaker 1: So do you do of course? Do you do like
Speaker 1: an oil first, absolutely, and then a foaming.
Speaker 3: I don't really do any foaming. I do a double
Speaker 3: oil cleanse. Wow. Yeah, but I'm very thorough with cleaning
Speaker 3: and removing the oil. And I feel like, if you're
Speaker 3: you know, if you don't have that much time and
Speaker 3: you can't be bothered, just do an oil cleans and
Speaker 3: then a foaming cleanse.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I do. Yeah, because I absolutely cannot
Speaker 1: be bothered exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. See I spend like twenty minutes steaming and oiling
Speaker 3: and cleansing.
Speaker 2: But everyone always is.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, how can you be bothered?
Speaker 2: But it's like I actually enjoy it. I love it.
Speaker 2: It's like I look forward to it every day. It's
Speaker 2: like my time for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a podcast on, I might just listen
Speaker 3: to some music and I just sometimes I just sit
Speaker 3: and like, look and admire all my products in the
Speaker 3: cabinet and look at the things I have to do,
Speaker 3: and just I love doing it.
Speaker 2: I love it. People just don't get it, but I
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: Have you had to teach Michael how to do all
Speaker 1: that sort of shit?
Speaker 3: Look, Michael has like goes through phases with his skin care.
Speaker 3: But he look, he does more than he used to.
Speaker 1: Are you mean to him like your families mean to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And at the beginning he would like, you know, just
Speaker 3: kill it with kindness, And now he's just mean to
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 1: Great. I'm glad you've established cycle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wish we could go back, but because I could
Speaker 3: have changed, you know, I could have broken it, like
Speaker 3: the habit with me. But now we live with Mary,
Speaker 3: so does Michael. We have no Chrissy, we have no chance.
Speaker 3: We have no chance, Babe. What's like living with your mum?
Speaker 2: She's so fucked.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: Now you couldn't. I'm tad a lot of complaining. I
Speaker 3: always say to her, like, man, just chill, like you're
Speaker 3: gonna fucking die ten years early because you're stressing about
Speaker 3: if you've got clean towels and if everything's perfectly folded,
Speaker 3: and have you ironed everything like she irons her tea tails,
Speaker 3: get a grit.
Speaker 1: She should do. I'm a celebrity, Get me out of here.
Speaker 1: Has she been offered?
Speaker 2: Never do that?
Speaker 1: We just might fix her.
Speaker 3: We just went camping, and we all went for like
Speaker 3: five six days. Some of them were there for like
Speaker 3: nine days. Mary came for one night.
Speaker 1: She posted all over Instagram. I'm like it was the
Speaker 1: longest thing ever.
Speaker 2: She posted for what she came for one night. She
Speaker 2: took all that content in one day.
Speaker 1: One of the frames is like the last supper. She
Speaker 1: was like, it was your only supper.
Speaker 3: She went one night early when everyone got there, and
Speaker 3: then she came home. And then at the end she
Speaker 3: came at the end for one night. She didn't stay
Speaker 3: and like do the whole showering in the Murray River.
Speaker 1: Oh, it sounds like fresh hell for me.
Speaker 3: I hated.
Speaker 1: I hate camping so much.
Speaker 3: It was so nice, Chrissy, No, honestly me who has
Speaker 3: a fifteen step skincare routine, Like if I had loved
Speaker 3: it was so nice.
Speaker 1: What did you do all day? Chill?
Speaker 2: You just chill, just chill out, like go for walks,
Speaker 2: swim in the river. You know, I know, can I
Speaker 2: tell you?
Speaker 1: Just when you said swim in the river, the toes
Speaker 1: in my shoes went like that.
Speaker 3: Do you know the river you can't actually see through
Speaker 3: to the bottom of it. It's just like it's murky,
Speaker 3: so it's it's murky.
Speaker 2: It's that's why I of water. It's so clean.
Speaker 1: You know, people have phobias and whatever. That is my phobia.
Speaker 1: There is no way that I could if.
Speaker 3: You got it in a river with as no there's
Speaker 3: no moss, there's no if it's sand on the bottom,
Speaker 3: if you got that glass right, I can't see you
Speaker 3: picked up the water in the Murray River.
Speaker 2: It's spotless. It's clear like that, but it's sandy and
Speaker 2: murky at the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: Who was there?
Speaker 3: So my mum's three sisters the names okay, So there's
Speaker 3: please don't Mary, who is the oldest. Okay, But her
Speaker 3: real name is Maria, but she changed it when she
Speaker 3: was sixteen to Mary because she didn't like Maria. Then
Speaker 3: there's Effie Fema. Then there's Barbara Vadavada in Greek and.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what is it in Greekvada?
Speaker 1: That's so much better than the Barbara I know.
Speaker 3: And then there's Evyenia Eugenia. But when she was like
Speaker 3: about six, my mum called her Giggy after Ziggy the
Speaker 3: star dog on a cartoon show they used to watch,
Speaker 3: and ever since then everyone knows her as Ziggy.
Speaker 2: Do you have a nicknase Marty.
Speaker 1: That's nice. Marty has Lucius got a nickname his cheeks.
Speaker 1: I just want to kiss them all.
Speaker 3: So Mary's sisters were there, all their partners were there. Ye,
Speaker 3: so Vincenzo and.
Speaker 1: That's Italian.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's Italian.
Speaker 1: What's he doing there?
Speaker 2: He's he's a Greek. Now he's Greek?
Speaker 1: Though, Oh is that happen? Does that happen? Doesn't if
Speaker 1: you spend enough time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now he's full Greek.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, their kids and then my auntie Barbara, Johnny,
Speaker 3: her partner, their kids, my us Michael and I Looch
Speaker 3: then their kids partners come, like the boyfriends and girlfriends
Speaker 3: come as well.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of us.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of us who did the cooking.
Speaker 2: The boys would just start a fire and we'd just
Speaker 2: like I have like barbecue.
Speaker 1: Oh it sounds like fresh.
Speaker 3: Like breakfast, you'd have like some toast or like a
Speaker 3: boiled egg, and then for lunch you'd just have a
Speaker 3: little snack and then barbecue for dinner.
Speaker 2: It was so nice. We'd like cut some cherry tomatoes,
Speaker 2: cucumber up.
Speaker 1: How long were you there for?
Speaker 2: Five nights?
Speaker 1: Did you smell?
Speaker 2: Noah? I showered every day in the river. Smell great clean.
Speaker 2: I had a really nice body wash, the La Larbo Santel.
Speaker 2: Use that smell great clean.
Speaker 1: Put that in a river.
Speaker 3: Can you put anything in the river. It's fresh water,
Speaker 3: it's flowing, it's constantly flowing. It cleans, it's cleans itself
Speaker 3: the river. And then I'd like take my towel and
Speaker 3: stuff down there, clean myself, and then you put the
Speaker 3: towel around you. And then I used to like dry
Speaker 3: my feet at the bank of the river and put
Speaker 3: ug boots on so I don't get dusty. And then
Speaker 3: i'd and then nights I didn't do that. Then I
Speaker 3: would like wipe my feet with baby wipes before bed
Speaker 3: so my feet aren't dusty.
Speaker 1: Or I could just get a hotel.
Speaker 2: No, it's not the same.
Speaker 1: No, I know it's better.
Speaker 3: It's so not I'm obsessed with camping now. I had
Speaker 3: the best time. I can't believe that it took me
Speaker 3: so long to go back to camping. I went ten
Speaker 3: years ago with my family.
Speaker 1: I was so surprising from you. I just don't think
Speaker 1: anyone would think that you would camp.
Speaker 2: I no one would think I would camp. No, but
Speaker 2: I love it. It was so nice. Don't you sometimes
Speaker 2: just crave to be nature?
Speaker 1: No, you don't know. I don't. And I've had to
Speaker 1: really be honest with myself about that because I'm a
Speaker 1: walker and I walk every single day. And when I
Speaker 1: started walking, you know, there's all these things on Instagram
Speaker 1: with like, you know, sound bathing in forests and whatever.
Speaker 1: So I would go and drive in drive somewhere and
Speaker 1: then walk in nature, and I fucking hated it.
Speaker 2: Oh you want to walk around trams and cars?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: What tri and urban walker? I like signs and colors
Speaker 1: and typefaces and smells of coffee and different people. Nature.
Speaker 2: You need, you need stimulation, Yeah, you need to be
Speaker 2: what star sign?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Scorpio?
Speaker 3: Oh? Are you? So? I feel like I think everyone's different,
Speaker 3: but like you obviously like to be stimulated. I'm so
Speaker 3: highly stimulated all the time with my work and what
Speaker 3: I do, and I feel like I constantly have to
Speaker 3: be on and like told me to do and like
Speaker 3: making content and always being on. And then I just
Speaker 3: feel like being in nature is like you don't have
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: On at all, like that.
Speaker 1: You can also be in your bedroom.
Speaker 2: Nah, you can't. There's too much temptation.
Speaker 3: There's Netflix, there's the phone, There's all this stuff that
Speaker 3: you can do, and like when you're in the bush,
Speaker 3: there's no reception. If you want to make a phone call,
Speaker 3: you want to drive twenty minutes into town.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hate it. I hate it, hate
Speaker 1: it so much, so nice.
Speaker 2: I loved it. Wake up every day the kooka bars.
Speaker 1: Wake you up, yack, shut up. Do you have a
Speaker 1: question for me? You can ask me anything, anything that's
Speaker 1: come up in this conversation, anything that you've thought while
Speaker 1: looking at my socials or listening to me on the radio,
Speaker 1: or meeting me in person. Anything, And you can be brutal.
Speaker 1: You can be fully Greek about it. I'd like it, Actually,
Speaker 1: I'd like it because nobody's mean to me. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to be mean to me. But I imagine
Speaker 1: that I was Greek and that I understood the way
Speaker 1: that you speak with brutality and cruelty.
Speaker 2: Would you can't imagine it? It's yeah, Please let.
Speaker 1: Me treat me like I'm Greek. Treat me like one
Speaker 1: of your Greek girls.
Speaker 3: Can I.
Speaker 2: What can I ask you?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Just really get in this like I'm Greek. Now I'm Greek.
Speaker 1: You can't offend me in a way that you can,
Speaker 1: you know, an Australian boring person.
Speaker 2: Oh, Chrissy, what am I going to ask you now?
Speaker 2: On now that I know you hate camping.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there is something dancing around your brain
Speaker 1: that you don't want to ask. You feel like it's
Speaker 1: not But imagine I was Greek. I could take it.
Speaker 1: I could take it.
Speaker 3: Have you ever have you ever had a crush on
Speaker 3: someone like because obviously you're a public figure on like
Speaker 3: another public figure that we might know.
Speaker 2: No, you haven't. No, I just you don't have to
Speaker 2: tell us who it is.
Speaker 1: No, I don't operate like that. It's like I'm pre pubescent. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't really, I'm not really attracted to anyone.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, you're not attracted to anyone. No, what about
Speaker 3: your your partner? Were you ever attracted to you?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Never you're fucked. I hope he doesn't listen to your podcast.
Speaker 1: I really, I just don't think I'm wired like that
Speaker 1: for romance or sex.
Speaker 3: Do you know what? In more ways than like one,
Speaker 3: you're so much like my father, that would be her answer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: be like now, I'm not attracted to anyone yeah, shame.
Speaker 1: I feel who broke us?
Speaker 2: I know what happened to you? Guys, what happened?
Speaker 1: Someone hurt?
Speaker 3: You both feel like there's just so much more fun
Speaker 3: to be had when you don't have a crush on someone. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I was hoping there was someone maybe you know, we
Speaker 3: could try and get who it was.
Speaker 1: I had crushes when I was a teenager, yeah, but
Speaker 1: not as but it was like, you know, Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: nine or two one oh ster.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, because I was going to try and
Speaker 2: to Sciphi and trying to guess.
Speaker 1: No, no one, anyone anything else?
Speaker 3: Mmm? Is there someone that you really don't like that
Speaker 3: we might know, like someone that you despise the public?
Speaker 1: There's people that I'm afraid of, Oh, that you're scared of?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why? And I think someone else would manifest that as
Speaker 1: like hating them, hating someone. But I don't hate them.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of them. I'm scared of them.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you have you worked with them? Would you say
Speaker 2: they're colleagues?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they work. There's maybe I think of one in particular.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I can't. I figured like Chrissy Swan is
Speaker 2: fearless like Warrior.
Speaker 1: Well I don't.
Speaker 2: It's hard when no, you're human, you're human. It's okay,
Speaker 2: that's a human thing.
Speaker 1: But it's hard for me when someone really passionately dislikes me.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. So that's scary to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a's fuck, that's just it's weird. It's a
Speaker 1: weird I don't know what they're going to say or do.
Speaker 3: But to be passionate about disliking someone, that's not a
Speaker 3: chrissy problem.
Speaker 2: That is their problem.
Speaker 3: Yes, Like, how could I actually don't have anyone that
Speaker 3: I passionately dislike, I mean, hair enough about anyone to
Speaker 3: like hate them so much.
Speaker 1: I hate them so much. Yes, So now those.
Speaker 2: Trolls on the internet that like spend their life trolling.
Speaker 3: And hating you so much, Like, I actually don't hate
Speaker 3: anyone that much because I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: All I care about is me my family. That's it.
Speaker 3: Like, if I don't like someone cool, I don't like them,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hang out with them. They're not gonna
Speaker 3: be around me, They're not gonna be close.
Speaker 2: To it, and that's the end of the Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't passionately that's fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that's why it's scary to me,
Speaker 1: because I don't understand that's jealousy. I don't understand that
Speaker 1: person's passion to hate someone for starters. So when I
Speaker 1: don't understand where someone's coming from, I find that's scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is me too. I actually do think that.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the like negative comments and things
Speaker 3: that I see online, I think it's actually quite scary
Speaker 3: how invested some people are and how much they can dislike,
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't have to just be meet like I
Speaker 3: mean in i might read a comment that's so hateful
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, it's actually scary how much hate
Speaker 3: this person can manifest inside themselves towards someone else that
Speaker 3: they I don't even know.
Speaker 1: They don't even know.
Speaker 2: It's scary.
Speaker 1: It's most unusual. Well, the camping loving new mother, I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled for you for the baby. He's gorgeous. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and I like that you relaxed about it. Long may
Speaker 1: that continue. Also, here's my one piece of advice, which
Speaker 1: you didn't ask for. When people say to you the
Speaker 1: older Lucius gets because I've got fifteen, twelve and ten now,
Speaker 1: the one thing that annoys me about other people commenting
Speaker 1: on parenting and children and families and all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Is that you don't know me and you
Speaker 1: don't know my children. So when people start telling you, oh,
Speaker 1: he likes you now, but wait until he's fifteen, don't
Speaker 1: believe them.
Speaker 3: I don't as if do not believe them. I've still
Speaker 3: got the ambilical cord attached to my mother. I'm thirty five,
Speaker 3: but you're not mean to her, you don't hate her
Speaker 3: all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: And people will tell you that Lucius is going to
Speaker 1: turn on you, And my fifteen year old still says
Speaker 1: I love you mom in front of his friends.
Speaker 3: On the fine that's not an option though for us,
Speaker 3: that he's gonna turn and hate me, Like, that's not
Speaker 3: an option.
Speaker 2: It's not an option. No, it's not.
Speaker 3: Like and in my family, like, nobody hates their mother
Speaker 3: their mother is like you worship your mom.
Speaker 1: See, and this is why I wish I was born green.
Speaker 3: No one hates their mom. There's no that's do you
Speaker 3: want to know something really weird? Yeah, me and my
Speaker 3: brother slept with my mom in the same bed. I
Speaker 3: think I was twenty seven and he would have been sixteen.
Speaker 3: And we'd sleep with her every night in her bed.
Speaker 3: Is that not the most fucked up weird think? If
Speaker 3: people knew that, they'd send the children's services even though
Speaker 3: I wasn't a fully grown adult.
Speaker 1: I think that that's lovely and normal.
Speaker 3: No, that's not normal, Christy. That's because my mom scared
Speaker 3: us so much that we would sleep with her.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha, Well maybe that's not normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were watching Freddy Krueger at like five.
Speaker 3: I remember one day I went to school and it
Speaker 3: was like show and Tell or something, and the teacher
Speaker 3: was like, oh, so, what did you do on the weekend.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, we watched Freddy Krueger at my Auntie's house.
Speaker 3: And my teacher's like, no, you didn't watch that movie.
Speaker 3: And I told her the whole storyline, and then she
Speaker 3: had to talk to my mom.
Speaker 1: After school that day, my mom took me to see
Speaker 1: a film called Fort apache the Bronx, where a prostitute
Speaker 1: was murdered by a man with raizor blades in his mouth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how old were you?
Speaker 3: Too? Young? Yeah? Five?
Speaker 1: We're fine. Yeah, we're fine. Look, we're fine.
Speaker 3: Look at me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me, beautiful matha carfe tito,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you,