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Speaker 1: This is the Fitting and Whipper with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: Prison. We need to talk about this. Never never been

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Speaker 2: in no May, I not yet not spent a night

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Speaker 2: in there, unfortunately with Timmy Boston.

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Speaker 3: And I needed some help from Timmy Boston in the

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Speaker 3: prison cell, and unfortunately he was asleep on the concrete bed.

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Speaker 4: Kate, Oh wow, must have been very tired.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what we've all seen the movies and

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Speaker 3: what we do know that there's always someone in jail

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Speaker 3: that can get you something.

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Speaker 2: I understand you around and knows how to good things.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in a lot keep certain things.

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Speaker 2: What a movie? What a movie?

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Speaker 3: And I mean you, I mean we always go back

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Speaker 3: to Share Shank Redemption when we when we try to

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Speaker 3: imagine being in a prison and surviving in there, you

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Speaker 3: go back to red don't you.

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Speaker 5: Get busy?

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Speaker 1: Dar?

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Speaker 4: So wow?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what can you do in prison?

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Speaker 3: Obviously I've heard you know, like there's obviously you've got

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Speaker 3: to earn money, You've got to get your rights, make number,

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Speaker 3: you're meant to rehabilitate.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the point? But that's a fair call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I went to one and they had a bakery and

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Speaker 6: a bakery in the prison, so I.

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Speaker 5: Have to eat bread, No, but a lot of the like.

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Speaker 6: It was a manufacturing bakery, working bakery, so the prisoners would.

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Speaker 5: Make the bread.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 6: Bread truck would take the bread out to I don't

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Speaker 6: know the distributor suburbs.

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Speaker 2: I mean if you earn it.

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Speaker 3: I heard as well that you can get a birthday

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Speaker 3: cake on your birthday? Can you and a few prisoners

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Speaker 3: and you're allowed to have a little party in your

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Speaker 3: little selvie just.

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Speaker 5: To remind you of what it was like on the outside.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen twenty four to ten.

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Speaker 3: And you can remain anonymous, but I'd love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you if you've been to prison before and what

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Speaker 3: can you do in there? This is really weird because

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Speaker 3: people are freaking out. Sean Diddy Combs has just wished

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Speaker 3: he's happy his daughter a happy birthday on Instagram despite

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Speaker 3: being behinds How.

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Speaker 7: Does he does he have access to his Instagram or

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Speaker 7: was that pre planned? You know when you can schedule things.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday,

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Speaker 3: my love, Happy birthday to you. Daddy loves you and

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Speaker 3: he's on his Instagram account, say did He's obviously got

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Speaker 3: a phone in prison. How do you acquire a phone

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Speaker 3: in prison?

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Speaker 5: I didn't think you're allowed to have a phone in prison, But.

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Speaker 3: You know there's a jail in Finland where you're allowed

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Speaker 3: to you you're allowed to borrow the prison car and

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Speaker 3: go for a bit of a drive for the day.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that must be low security. Were talking

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Speaker 7: about Goldbann are we.

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Speaker 6: You know the prison that I visited, they had an

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Speaker 6: issue and there was a recent drama because the prisoners

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Speaker 6: had worked out how to make alcohol through They were

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Speaker 6: using the water that they would get from the irrigation

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Speaker 6: from the springless system in the yard, so they would

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Speaker 6: actually end up brewing it in the sprinkless system. That's

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Speaker 6: it would ferment in the sprinkless system and drink.

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Speaker 4: It with skins or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the guards are always they were always so fascinated. Whyever,

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Speaker 3: I'm god, it so excited when the sprinkless came on.

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Speaker 2: Well, isn't you need potato?

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Speaker 3: Don't your potato is what you need in there with

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Speaker 3: water and you let it ferment for quite a while.

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Speaker 6: It's amazing stuff what they're able to come up with,

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Speaker 6: even if it's like homemade tattoo guns and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it survival the internet as well? They get the

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you need the Do you need the internet to

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Speaker 6: Then what happens to yeah, of course, well you might

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 6: The other thing is too What can happen is the

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Speaker 6: romance that might start between a prisoner and a guard,

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Speaker 6: and then through that love connection, the guard starts slipping

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Speaker 6: a few.

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Speaker 5: Naughty things into the system.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing.

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Speaker 6: Help with escape and help with that happened not long ago.

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Speaker 6: Helped with the escape.

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Speaker 2: It's a hail Mary, But what can you do in jail?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know there's alevanchority off our listeners will

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Speaker 2: But every now and then we've had before.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I had, I had it. I'll tell you in

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Speaker 7: a second. But I had a I had fan mail

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Speaker 7: from prison. Can on that, Yeah, I'll tell you what

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Speaker 7: it was written on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Lauren's given us kill from doing so Good.

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Speaker 1: Morning, laws, Good morning, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good? Now you've been to jail before.

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Speaker 3: What are some of the things that we traditionally wouldn't

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Speaker 3: think that you can do in jail?

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Speaker 2: Lauren?

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Speaker 1: Are you be quite surprised what you get into prison. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can source on the outside, you can get on

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Speaker 1: the inside. How does it get in all through mail?

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Speaker 1: Through andy spools over the fence. Yes, so they load

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Speaker 1: up a tennis ball and then they hit it over

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Speaker 1: the fence.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it gets.

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Speaker 4: Into the wrong hands.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well that's right. It's got to be. It's

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Speaker 1: got to be timing right spots, and they're very clever.

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Speaker 1: You'd be surprised you end up more corrupt when you

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Speaker 1: go into prison than when you were out. You learn

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Speaker 1: very sophisticated things in there to learn how to make

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Speaker 1: things out of nothing. So out of bed sheets you

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Speaker 1: make like fishing lines. There you can fish stuff from

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Speaker 1: other inmates while you're locked in your room. Wow, how

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Speaker 1: to make a kettle out of a meal skin? A song?

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Speaker 1: I could boil a kettle. You plug it into the

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Speaker 1: power and you blad your books up. You sit your

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Speaker 1: but the rubber thong stops it earthing out.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you boil a kettle.

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Speaker 1: Complain it's for cockerroach babe.

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Speaker 7: Wow, Lauren, So it's funny how you say that You

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Speaker 7: become very clever, and because you don't have the usual

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Speaker 7: means of getting things, you become more creative.

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Speaker 4: Do you think then in that way.

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Speaker 1: Alcohol everything they make alcohol in jail, which bread Vegimi, Jammi, Lauren?

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Speaker 3: Is it like share shank redemption though, where there is

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Speaker 3: always someone inside that can get you things and you

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Speaker 3: need to pay for those.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, that's correct that it's bartering with your buy up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: jail's disgusting, honestly. Yeah, I was going to say basically, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a hard lesson to learn. I can assure you, Lauren.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, do you mind if I ask what you're doing

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Speaker 5: hard time for?

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Speaker 1: I got I went for a traumatic evenim right, and

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Speaker 1: never dealt drugs in my life and ended up feeling

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Speaker 1: drugs and got caught with a very large amount. I've

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Speaker 1: actually got fourteen years, right, but it's offense in my life,

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Speaker 1: and I've got to knock down to seven years three months.

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Speaker 1: So I actually served four years prison and three eight

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Speaker 1: months on parole, right called months of parole. I got released, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a good behavior and yeah, I'm now a dental nurse.

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Speaker 1: I'm now doing extremely well life.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Lauren, that is so wonderful, because it's very difficult

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Speaker 7: for anyone to turn a traumatic event around, you know, so.

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Speaker 1: Credit methadone in jail. I've never touched him.

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Speaker 2: Credit.

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't sound as though you're a big fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm off everything. I'm totally clean.

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Speaker 2: What was the turning point, Lauren? Can I ask you

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Speaker 2: what was the turning point?

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Speaker 1: The turnings going to change my life? The effects of

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Speaker 1: the ripple effects of my family and the trauma that

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Speaker 1: had crossed my family. It was awful, Lauren Well and

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Speaker 1: a half year old child, a fourteen year old daughter,

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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old daughter. It's absolutely traumatic, Lauren, how

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Speaker 1: to your You know, it's something that I didn't choose

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Speaker 1: to do with something that you know, sometimes things happen

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Speaker 1: and you know, when they're when they're in their own

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Speaker 1: trauma themselves, they turned to the wrong avenue sometimes. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the wrong people, and yeah, it happened so quickly.

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Speaker 1: That was within three months, three months I was in prison.

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Speaker 6: Did you have a job in prison, Lauren, Like, was

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Speaker 6: there an actual industry at any time now.

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Speaker 1: It is in prison. So in New South Wales, in

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Speaker 1: that you if you're on romand, which I was for

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Speaker 1: seventeen months, which means you are not sentenced, you're waiting

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Speaker 4: You cannot work waiting, how awful, And that.

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Speaker 1: There's eighteen hours to spare in there, So you're eighteen

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in yoursel for eighteen hours a day, are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right. You let out eight thirty in

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Speaker 1: the morning, You're look back in at midday one hour

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Speaker 3: And Lauren you so you so you think you become

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Speaker 1: Mean in there I learned a lot of corrupt things

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Speaker 1: that I'm not a corrupt person. That's not my life.

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Speaker 1: I don't live a crup life at all.

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Speaker 4: No, No, But you had to survive while you were

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Speaker 1: That's correct, and it was very awful. I hated every

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Speaker 1: minute of it because people I didn't know, I didn't love,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, you know, I'm a very

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Speaker 1: just yeah, it's not me at all. Now.

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Speaker 7: You know what, Lauren, they must be very happy to

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Speaker 7: have you back. And I don't just mean that physically.

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Speaker 4: They made that emotion.

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Speaker 1: You know. I just put myself a fifty thousand dollars car.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if very good position. I'm doing to work

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Speaker 1: i am. Hard work, it will work, the hard work.

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Speaker 5: Laurence, thank you for sharing. That is amazing.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your honesty. Lauren, thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This is the Fitsy and with with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 8: You were saying, Kay that you were getting fan mail

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Speaker 8: at one stage, but you keep expanding on So you

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Speaker 8: had a pen pal? No, I didn't have I didn't

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Speaker 8: have a pen pal, but I need well in the

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Speaker 7: In the old days, like if people wrote fan mail,

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Speaker 7: I mean now they just did you just get a DM.

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Speaker 3: Don't you?

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Speaker 2: Hi? I took me hours to write it.

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Speaker 7: So you get letters in your pigeonhole and you'd open

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Speaker 7: Yes, And then when I got too much fan mail,

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Speaker 2: In prison?

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Speaker 4: You could keep going back on your prison thing.

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Speaker 5: That's where the letters were from, not all of them.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about. I'm giving you a foundation the topics

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Speaker 7: That I got a letter from a guy from prison

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful, Like we've got our trading nicknames. Isn't it bizarre?

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Speaker 4: The toilet paper here, you guys have really made it.

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Speaker 5: Validates like you can. It paints a great picture, though,

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Speaker 7: And the fact that that's what that person spent their

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Speaker 2: It's this could be a series two of How to

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Speaker 5: Really, Paul Kelly, Yeah, write that down.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like, you know, it's the follow up journey

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Speaker 4: Did you know he call me Sally?

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Speaker 8: You did?

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Speaker 4: Didn't you?

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Speaker 3: Did?

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Speaker 5: I you get one as well from people was he

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Speaker 7: Why are you making what was a relatively feel good

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Speaker 5: What about Aida? Do you get more than her?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 2: Those Olivia Rodrigo tickets are not far away. I will

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Speaker 2: save you, Kate. That is a really weird laugh.

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Speaker 4: It's so.

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