WEBVTT - Outsiders | 11 May 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:16.200 A lot of its outside. Good morning and welcome to Outsiders, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.279 the show that champions the outsider, that person who is 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.800 not afraid to challenge the orthodoxy, even in the face 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.680 of being canceled and censored by the authoritarian left. But 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.159 what happens to those guests? We have champions such as 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.440 the epidemiologists too, we we alone gave a platform to 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.920 during the draconian COVID years. And who is demonized even 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.720 in the Australian Senate. Do they disappear into shame and obscurity? 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.240 Quite the opposite. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.400 This is a historic day the conduct of this dangerous 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.480 kind of function research which aims at taking pathogens and 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:59.680 making them more very more transmissalong humans. Many scientists believe 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.200 as we're responsible for the COVID pandemic. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.080 Yes, that was our frequent Outsider's guest during COVID doctor J. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.240 Battaya Batsataria Baticharia. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:13.200 Oh we love him. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.400 He was demonized by the Australian Center, demonized by the 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.240 Biden administration, and now he's a top member of the 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.280 Trump administration. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.880 There's always a danger that in doing this research it 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:28.600 might leak out just. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.399 By accident even and cause a pandemic. 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.880 Any nation that engages in this research endangers their own 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.080 population as well as the world, as we saw during 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.000 the COVID pandemic. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:40.680 Yes, that's right. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.120 This week saw doctor j Badicharia in the Oval Office 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.000 alongside Donald Trump as he signed that executive order banning 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:54.640 all funding for dangerous gain of function research in certain nations. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.680 This executive order puts in place of framework to make 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.640 sure that the public has a say that if. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.720 Such a risk is being taken. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.680 That only scientists along won't be able to decide that 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.560 that in fact, the publicans saying no, don't take this risk. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.359 And someone else who has gone on to great things 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.360 since first appearing on Outsiders many years ago as an 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.680 unknown outsider, a fresh face nobody knew. In fact, it 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.079 was her first appearance ever on Sky News Australia. Was 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.520 a young mum from the Northern Territory. Her name just 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.040 Center Nampajimper Price. She's a senator now and in the 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.400 best news to come out of this miserable federal election, 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.480 she has thrown her hat into the ring to be 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.680 Deputy leader of the Liberal Party and Senator just Into 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.720 namper Jimper Price will be joining us here on Outsiders 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.280 this morning for her first interview following the announcement. Also 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.680 joining us in just a tick will be none other 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.400 than Senator Matt Canavan, who is challenging for the leadership 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.400 of the Nationals. What a huge show. So let's get 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:03.799 kick off straight off with the latest Outsiders news. Well, 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.760 Rita and James, all the leaderships are happening this week, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.959 very exciting both Matt Canavan. Canavan is going for the 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.240 Nationals leadership. Let's talk about that first. Riata. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.160 Yes over due. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.600 I think it's precisely what we need to see from 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.400 the Nationals. The Nationals did well at this election campaign, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:26.359 unlike their coalition partners who did horribly. As we've been 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.119 talking about, it's kind of amusing to hear the likes 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:34.520 of the Greens talk about the Liberals becoming Maga extremist, 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.400 right Trumpian. When the Liberals went into this election with 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.000 smaller liberal policies. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:41.960 Where they were labor like. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.640 This is what their biggest donors are telling them, are saying, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.640 we're pulling our money out because if we wanted the 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.360 labor like political party, we've already got one. We don't 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.280 need another imitation of Verneba well, well, yeah, so this 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.920 every time the Liberals go into an election, whether it's 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.000 at state level or federal level, and they run on 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.920 a smaller liberal policies where they try to veer to 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.960 the center or to the left, and they get absolutely smashed. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.120 The advice from the political pundits is, oh, well. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.000 You're too far right, you need to go more left. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:21.520 It is incredibly just asinine. We see it every single time. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:26.719 I've seen it in Victoria last three elections. And let's 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.400 hope they learn the lessons and we don't have another 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:37.760 smaller liberal moderate Malcolm turnbullesque in a skirt leading the 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.640 Liberal Party. Matt Canavan, I think is precisely what the 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.600 Nationals need and it will give them some clear policy direction, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.880 particularly when it comes to the crucial issue of net zero. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.000 Absolutely, James, Yeah. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.719 I mean, look, I'm glad reader that you mentioned the 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.080 Nationals and their performance in this election, and I'm glad 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.159 that you mentioned Malcolm Turnable because to me, there's a 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.159 great analogue between what just happened here in twenty sixteen. Now, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.760 the Liberals did not lose government, but they barely hung on, 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.720 and they only hung on and it killed Malcolm Turnable. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.560 Through his entire premiership. That only with the fact that 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.880 the Nats held every single one of their seats and 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.760 the Liberals went way backwards. And that's exactly what we 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.800 had happened here again, but just to a more extreme version. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.640 Now Peter does it. Let's be fair to him. He's 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.440 no Malcolm Turble, right, you know, let's you know, let's. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:26.359 Try to this election. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.400 Well he tried maybe a little bit, but the problem 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.080 was that there was no articulation of clear liberal values. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.720 And the thing is, liberal values are actually very straightforward. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.040 They're about liberty, they're about aspiration. They're about you know, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.640 sensible policies that help people get ahead, and it's about 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.360 people making their own choices in their own life rather 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.440 than you know, as the Labor and the alban Easy 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.720 government say, the government has to be with you at 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:49.800 every step of your life. 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.479 And so these are not complicated things. They're not hard 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:53.360 to articulate. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.400 But my real worry here for the Liberals is that 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.880 you know, they're going to take, as you suggested, Rita 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.840 entirely the wrong lesson from this, and they're gonna go 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.640 and they're gonna say, oh, well, you know, we need 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.159 to have less and less difference between us and Labor, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.080 who has now got the chance to set the dominant 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.839 narrative in the country, which is very dangerous and I 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.560 mean Rowan, look you come from the world of advertising. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.799 Product in differentiation. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:19.240 Is all is what. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.400 It's a credential system in a country with a voting 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.000 system like ours that really needs to be clear air. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.120 If you go down this sort of small l liberal 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.560 route where you just try and be all sensible, centrist 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.640 and a figure that the voters will be attracted to 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.760 you not the other people, well you know you wind 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.360 up in the situation as say Mark Speakman is here, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.120 who's the opposition leader in New South Wales, who is 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.960 proudly a centrist and says, oh the part needs to 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:45.680 go to the center and dump this and dump that 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.719 and basically just run again as we all say on 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.279 this program. 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:50.920 As Labor light. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.120 Well, you know Mark Speakman, no one believes that he 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.320 will ever be premier of this. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.680 If I live in New South Wales, my vote would 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.760 be going to the Mints. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:07.120 Why would you vote for someone who is half pregnant, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.600 someone who doesn't actually have a principled position at least 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.440 with Labor, even when they go a little bit wacky 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.800 with some of their policy positions, you know, it's what 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.280 they believe in. When you've got the Liberals being labor light, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.680 it is inauthentic as well as being weakened. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.400 I think that's the key point. And well there are 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.840 two key points. One, as James is suggesting, oppositions must 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.400 oppose not for their own sake, but for the sake 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.320 of the Australian people. We the people of Australia, have 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.720 a democratic system that demands an adversarial relationship between the 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.080 two main major parties. Otherwise we are being short changed. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.840 And that's what just happened in the election last weekend. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.120 We were short changed, we were ripped off. We were 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.800 let down by the conservative side of politics who did 0:07:54.840 --> 0:08:00.200 not put our case forward. And that is a discrace 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.320 and that must not be allowed to happen. My fear 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.560 here is that the Liberals are going to do exactly 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.360 the same thing. I don't know Susan Lay Susan with 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.520 two s's, or however many essays she's got her name 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.240 because she's into numerology. I don't know much about her 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.320 other than she's never stood out as someone that I 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.840 feel attracted to from the kind of conservative point of 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.720 view the Liberals must offer us. They failed every time, 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:24.800 and I'll be talking about this more later at ten o'clock. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:29.120 Every time they put forward these labor light centrist candidates, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.640 they lose big time or just narrowly scrape in. It's 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.880 not good enough. We have to have a conservative leadership 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.000 of both parties in the coalition. We must have Matt 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.520 Canavan leading the Nationals. He's the greatest communicator they have. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.120 He's one of the most popular popular politicians I know of. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.440 He's clear, articulate, he stands up for positions that people 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.160 believe in. He's a fighter, he's from the bush, he's 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.959 from Queensland. Similarly, Angus Taylor and just Enter Price as 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.360 a ticket together would be fantastic stick You've got you've 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.839 got the one guy who's got the banking background and 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.640 you've got the girl from the bush. It comes from 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:10.000 the most extraordinary background up there in the Northern Territory. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.160 What a terrific ticket for Australians to get behind. We 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.400 don't need another Canberra kind of you know, focus group 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.280 driven leader of the Libs because it will end in 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.800 the usual disaster that they keep offering up it. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.080 Well, can we just say about Susan Lay, Susan, do 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.680 we still pronounce the name the same dest? 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.240 I mean, I don't think. Yeah, I have some questions 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.960 about that. I think that's her judgment, so you should have. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.880 I just think on every key issue where I've noticed her, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.040 she has started off in the wrong position after and 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.880 then has been persuaded or forced or I don't know, 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.600 looked at the polling and the focus groups and changed 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.000 her position. That's not being authentic, that's not being principled. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.920 I have more respect for her if she's stuck to 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.040 original positions. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.520 On the voice she was pro, then she was against. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.319 When it comes to the Palestine Israel issue, again, we've 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.959 seen a bit of a flip flopping there when. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.520 It came just last year. The last year we had that. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:22.000 Deeply flawed activist report, the gender wage Gap Report, which 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.240 Janet Orbrickson ripped apart, I ripped apart, we had senators 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.880 ripping it apart. Who was standing there saying this is 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.320 a really important document and corporations have to take note 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.400 of it. Susan Lay, she's the only one who seems 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:44.040 to kind of miss the glaring holes in these activist reports. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.800 I think she just is far too comfortable playing identity politics, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.400 playing those games. I don't think this is what the 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.800 Liberal Party need. They need to be They've got a 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.439 massive rebuild, they need to have someone in the role 0:10:58.600 --> 0:10:59.840 who's up to the task. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.320 I don't think she's up to the toss well. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.160 And you know, beyond that, whoever leads the coalition, whoever 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.600 leads the Liberals, they need to get back to these 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.800 first principles, you know. And I just feel like none 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.600 of the policies that they actually went to the election 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.360 with really took on this real sort of conflict divisions, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.520 because they were so scared of being called, oh, maga 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.000 Trump conservative right wing, that they didn't actually go out 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.880 and say, look, there's a cent of Australian Conservative principles 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.800 which are not maga, but are simply longstanding principles that 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.840 you are the author of your own destiny. It is 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.560 not the government and the way labor and it's really 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.920 dangerous because potentially you could see a decade of labor 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.360 here where they shift the entire political consensus of this 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.080 country to one that is a poorer, one that is 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.400 much more interventionist, and one where the government is with 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.800 you at every step of the way, and you don't 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.200 have the chance and the freedom to go and do 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.480 what you want and build the life that you want, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:58.920 and own the home that you want, and build the 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.120 business that you want and have that for your kids 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:06.240 and grandkids, because instead everything is refracted through the lens 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.680 of the state, whether it's our powerable, whether it's our education, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.960 whether it's regulation, whether it's the fact that really the 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.079 only things that people do to make money any more 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.320 is to go into NDIS schemes. You know, it just 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.960 shows just how intellectually bankrupt labor is. And if the 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.520 Liberals can't win on that with some straight talk and 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.800 say you know, that's a nonsense way to live, we 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.199 will all be poorer and more constrained. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:32.600 They don't deserve government. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:37.120 And that's what we've been saying all year on this program, 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.800 and particularly since the election campaign was called because we 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.120 were as a group aghast at what we were seeing. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:48.960 This was such a lackluster, unprincipled campaign. The only really 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.600 policy differentiation that stood out was the one that they 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.520 refused to talk about, which was nuclear energy because they were. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:56.040 Scared of it. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.000 So why would Australian people throw out a first term 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:05.520 labor government when you're not even giving them an alternative plan. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:06.360 That's clear. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.480 It was all over the shop. One thing it certainly 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:17.319 wasn't wasn't Trumpian. You know what you're going to Dutton 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.520 and the Liberals were as Trumpian in this election campaign 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.679 as I'm a natural blonde. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:24.520 I mean, it is ridiculous. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.680 It is such an absurd notion and to and to 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.240 hear people talk about that is just shows you how 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.160 divorced from reality James. 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.280 I'll just jump in what is critical for the leadership? 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:36.600 You see? 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.680 You can't build the sort of party that James is 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.440 talking about, one based on principles of smaller government, less 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.800 government interference in your lives, encouraging smaller business and you know, 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.080 encouraging productivity. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.240 All of those. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.400 Things can only come from leaders who believe it in 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.040 their core and they have to have lived that and 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.679 believed it all their lives, not looking every five minutes 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.040 for a focus group to tell them, as Kevin Rudd did, 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.439 what do I what are my convictions? Said Kevin Rudd. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.160 We'll go and have a focus group so I can 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.360 find out if we have that sort of leadership of 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.120 the Liberal party. You're doomed. You finished. You have to 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:16.080 have leaders who instinctively, like a Howard, like an Abbott, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:22.000 instinctively know what the basic fundamental liberal conservative position is. Sure, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.960 you can tinkle with it, you can build on it, whatever, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.920 but you have to come from that principle. And those 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.440 core principles are long established, they're not new. We all 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.040 know what they are. And unless the coalition fights tooth 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.920 and nail for those positions, you're not going to win. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:37.840 You're not going to win. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.480 And the crazy thing here is that they had a 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.840 roadmap to do this. You know, I was talking to 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.640 people who were giving them policies, articulated policies on things 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.080 like income splitting, which would make it easier for our 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.600 parents and families and women to stay home with their 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.280 kids and get a tax break off of that, you know, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.600 very simple pro family, pro woman policy. They just didn't 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.360 go anywhere near it. So came close to talking about 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.200 doing something about the index tax rate, but then Peter 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.480 Dunt squibbed it at the last bit, said, oh, but 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.200 it will cost the budget, when it's like no bracket 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.240 creep costs the taxpayer, and that the focus needs to 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.480 be on the taxpayer, the productive citizen, not on the budget. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.360 You know, deal with that, but you know that would 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.200 have been again a huge cost of living thing. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.680 They refuse to go near it. Now, they refuse to. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.560 Go near all of these things that they just I 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.760 don't think had the intellectual metal to fight for. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.040 Because we told them, James, they hadn't done the way. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.160 It had been done for them. The policy. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.000 I saw the policy on income splitting, that it was 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:44.080 all worked out, it was given to you, that they refused. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:44.000 To take it. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.520 I you surprised. We had Peter Dutton during the Voice thing, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.960 during the Voice campaign. Midway through the Voice campaign, go 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.160 if you don't, let's have a few other voices over 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.520 hear said different voices in the States. So, I mean 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.720 it was all focused group driven. You have to have 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.880 people like this enterprise, people like Matt Canavan who have 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.040 core beliefs that are unshakable and they will always be 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.480 their guiding light. Not this kind of all hang on, 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.200 what are we going to do today? What are the 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:13.400 focus groups say, Oh, get rid of that policy. Speaking 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.200 of one of those potential leaders, someone who I certainly 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.320 hope that that's smart enough to make their leader Matt Canavan. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.640 Senator Matt Canavan joins us. Now, Matt, here you are 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.000 on our screens, just coming up, and we've been talking 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.240 about you. What are coincidence? How these things worth? Where 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.120 have we got Matt? How are you? Matt? 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.360 Good round you? My ears were burning for a reason. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.520 Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day to all the moms 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.920 out there. We need more moms, more kids, need to 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:43.880 get that birth right up. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.640 Absolutely And I've actually met your mum and she's a 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:47.800 great Australian as well. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:49.080 Matt. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.840 You've thrown your hat into the ring for the leadership 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.720 of the Nationals. Why what do you hope to bring 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.640 to the party. Why should why should th that's look 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.119 to you. They did well in the election, obviously they 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:05.760 could do better. What do you offer? 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.480 Well, look, Rowan, I'm running because I think we have 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.200 to end the tyranny. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.520 Of groupthink in our country. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.720 Over the last few years, A Paul has come down 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.560 in our nation, which has not allowed the debate, which 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.240 has seen any kind of descent from the prevailing views. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:28.320 Somehow disloyal to either the party or to the institutions 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.880 of global institutions. We've somehow signed ourselves up to and 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.600 I think Australian people deserve a choice, a proper choice. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.640 I don't think we got that at the election because 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.359 I felt, especially in the Nationals Party, we pulled our 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.080 punches sometimes we explicitly decided to turn the volume down 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.960 on our party in an ultimately futile attempt to help 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.040 the Liberals win seats in the city. That strategy didn't work. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.000 So we need a new plan. And I think we 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.600 need to fight for our country. This is not so 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.119 much about me or our party. I don't want to 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:57.800 fight to save our party. We want to fight to 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.240 save our country because roan losing right now. We're losing 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.400 our wealth, We're losing our jobs, were losing our industries, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:08.879 we're losing our culture as people continually take take no 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.359 real serious defense of what's great about our country and 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.239 what we've been handed down by our ancestors. And if 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.320 we don't defend our nation, we're going to hand out 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.640 a much poorer country, a weaker country, a more divided 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.960 country to our kids. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.240 So that's why I'm in this race. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.479 I think we've got to smash the consensus there on 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.320 this ridiculous net zero idea. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:28.680 It was never going to work. 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.080 Now it's clear it's not working and that most other 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.280 countries around the world are moving away from it. We 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.600 should also have no problem in standing up for merit. 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.240 Why do we have to sign up this ridiculous diversity, 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.240 equity and inclusion agenda which tries to divide us by gender, 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.520 by sexuality, by religion, whatever it may be. Let's get 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.840 back to the principle of individual merit. That'll be the 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.920 best thing for our country. It's also the best way 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:54.679 to treat each individual human being with distinct and unique 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.600 special attributes. And look, we also need to of course 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.879 defend our culture to defend our country. It shouldn't be 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.760 seen to be biggot to want to reduce the immigration 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.720 rate just because you want to protect Australians first and 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.400 make sure they have a home. I'm going to stand 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.200 up for all of those things, fight for those things, 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.600 and whether I win or lose, I will keep fighting 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.720 for the Nationals Party, keep fighting for our country. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.840 And I think we need to have this debate on. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.720 The tyranny of group think. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.440 We saw the Liberals refuse to walk away from net 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.000 zero and really make this a election, a referendum about 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.000 climate change and the cost of living, the cost of energy. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.080 If you do have a Susan lay As leader who 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.000 is a smaller Liberal, what's that going to mean for 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:43.000 the coalition? How strong is the coalition between the Liberals 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:44.560 and the Nationals as things stand. 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.800 Look, look, Greta, I'm not going to get involved in 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.399 the leadership of another party. It's completely a matter for 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.480 the Liberal Party. Well, of course we'll try and work 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.600 productively with anybody who's elected, but I really am focused 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.119 on our right now. Obviously, we've got a question to 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.240 answer this week and we'll deal with those issues after that. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.639 But look, I'm also despite the disappointment last week. Yes, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.160 the Nationals Party in relative terms had a better outcome 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.600 than the Liberals, but we didn't win government. 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.000 That's our goal, that should be our task. 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.840 And while it is very disappointing and disheartening for many 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.360 of our supporters, I genuinely believe that the next few 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.320 years could be the most exciting yet for the Nationals Party. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.480 I think we have a huge opportunity to sell ourselves 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.080 in more areas around the country. We already know, given 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.199 the results in recent elections, that we're very good at 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.880 running local issues campaigns. Being in touch with our local 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.080 communities like Michelle Landry, Andrew Wilcox, Colin Boyce down the road, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.600 all are here in central Queensland, and I just think 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.400 we can take that on the road, take that nationally, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.639 fight for every different region of this country, because we 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:54.240 often do represent people and talk often with people who 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:55.360 have to shower after. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:56.280