Speaker 1: From the Skying Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry, Happy Monday,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the man Cave. Plenty to fire off about tonight,
Speaker 2: But as always on this program, we celebrate the greatest
Speaker 2: Prime Minister of all time, that being Anthony Abernezi. Just
Speaker 2: ask him, just ask the press gallery, just ask his fans.
Speaker 2: This is a man who has changed Australia for the
Speaker 2: better with our bonomics. We've seen the scenario where MPs
Speaker 2: get the biggest pay rise in ten years, public servants
Speaker 2: get the biggest pay rise in ten years. But you
Speaker 2: should be thankful to the government because they are sending
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars a month to mansions around Australia to
Speaker 2: help with their power bills. Of course, we celebrate a
Speaker 2: man who travels the world as regularly as this Prime
Speaker 2: Minister does. He apparently calls the taxpayer under jet that
Speaker 2: he's on right now, Toto one, named after the little puppy,
Speaker 2: and as you know, he's taking delivery not one, but
Speaker 2: two brand new private jets. Oh but they were ordered
Speaker 2: under the last gouverment, so we couldn't possibly cancel it
Speaker 2: during the cost of living budgets of two No, no, no,
Speaker 2: We'll take the new planes anyway. And despite the fact
Speaker 2: that we celebrate this Prime Minister, occasionally we do have
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that he says one thing and then does another,
Speaker 2: or said something way back when but does another thing now.
Speaker 2: But I'm very pleased with how.
Speaker 3: Much praise we give the greatest Prime Minister of all time,
Speaker 3: and I'm pleased to say that he notices today a
Speaker 3: question from the Deputy Liberal Leader, Susan lay was in
Speaker 3: the Parliament.
Speaker 4: My question is to the Prime Minister. Andrew Clanel of
Speaker 4: Sky News has reported that following the Prime Minister's meetings
Speaker 4: with Jasinta Adern and prior to the introduction of Direction
Speaker 4: ninety nine, the Prime Minister's Department directly instructed the Home
Speaker 4: Affairs Department to attempt to find a way to stop
Speaker 4: the deportation of so many New Zealand citizens and to
Speaker 4: quote fix the problem. Prime Minister, is this true now?
Speaker 2: The question was one that brought the greatest leader of
Speaker 2: our times to his feet to the dispatch box, where
Speaker 2: he absolutely didn't answer the question. Instead found a way
Speaker 2: to have a go at those of us here in
Speaker 2: primetime on Sky News.
Speaker 5: I thank the epty Leader for his opposition and Sky News.
Speaker 1: Her question.
Speaker 6: Sky News occasionally occasionally don't get things right. I know
Speaker 6: they'll come, usually tonight, usually during.
Speaker 5: The day before it becomes dark, when truth sort of
Speaker 5: gets darkened as the day goes on.
Speaker 2: Wow, hit me with a let us leave, sir please. Now,
Speaker 2: let's put this into a nice perspective for everyone. When
Speaker 2: he just hears sky News, he obviously just thinks, oh,
Speaker 2: those evil people that are having a go at me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: by holding you to the promises that you made by
Speaker 2: exposing the endless failures and flaws of the spin that
Speaker 2: the rest of the press gallery, of course likes to
Speaker 2: churn about. But let's just go back to the question
Speaker 2: that he was asked about. The central issue about why
Speaker 2: did the Australian government start making special services for New
Speaker 2: Zealanders as opposed to other people around the world who
Speaker 2: should will have been sent home because of their crimes. Well, again,
Speaker 2: this story didn't come from prime time. It came from
Speaker 2: the early hours of Sunday morning when Andrew Clannell, our
Speaker 2: National political editor, was the one who broke the story.
Speaker 2: Here it is on our website and here it is
Speaker 2: from his own mouth.
Speaker 7: Sky News can reveal that the Prime Minister's Department directly
Speaker 7: instructed the Home Affairs Department to attempt to find a
Speaker 7: way to stop the deportation of criminal New Zealand citizens
Speaker 7: who had lived in Australia for many years. This instruction
Speaker 7: came prior to the drafting of Immigration Minister Andrew Giles's
Speaker 7: Direction ninety nine. My information from sources involved in implementing
Speaker 7: the decision at the time is that both Immigration Minister
Speaker 7: Andrew Giles and the Prime Minister's Department instructed the Home
Speaker 7: Affairs Department to quote fix the problem.
Speaker 2: So great story one of many that are broken constantly
Speaker 2: by Andrew Clenell and our Canberra team. One done on
Speaker 2: Sunday morning on Sunday Agenda. But because the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: hears the words, sky News quick pivot into the parts
Speaker 2: of the media that he dislikes the most, because we
Speaker 2: call out his bs again his answer to a question
Speaker 2: about Andrew story, I thank.
Speaker 6: The Deputy Leader for his opposition and.
Speaker 1: Sky News her question.
Speaker 6: Sky News occasionally occasionally don't get things right.
Speaker 2: I know they'll come.
Speaker 1: Usually it's at night, usually during the.
Speaker 5: Day before it becomes dark, when truth sort of gets darkened.
Speaker 2: As the day goes on. Now, I understand in Australia
Speaker 2: we have a housing crisis. Well, I've got about an
Speaker 2: acres worth of space in the Prime Minister's head that
Speaker 2: clearly we occupy, and if anyone would like to put
Speaker 2: a block of units on it, feel free and solve
Speaker 2: the housing crisis, because clearly we're on his mind even
Speaker 2: more than he would ever like to admit, Which brings
Speaker 2: us to the idiot Andrew Giles, the minister who should
Speaker 2: have been sacked a long time ago, who was a
Speaker 2: result of his decision and his failures, has seen people
Speaker 2: bashed and worse in the country. Now, as you know,
Speaker 2: he presides over a system that he claims is independent,
Speaker 2: but as the ABC you know that far right wing
Speaker 2: organization has already proven the independent body that actually has
Speaker 2: links straight back to the minister and is technically there
Speaker 2: to advise the minister. And that independent group apparently had
Speaker 2: made the decision that certain people who had come out
Speaker 2: as a result of the High Court decision at the
Speaker 2: end of last year, that those people shouldn't wear ankle bracelets.
Speaker 2: But don't worry, because according to the Immigration Minister, there
Speaker 2: was magical drones in the sky being used to monitor
Speaker 2: these people to make sure they didn't do anything bad.
Speaker 8: There is a quarter of a billion dollars that we've
Speaker 8: invested in supporting our law enforcement agencies to enforce that,
Speaker 8: and that's enabled things like using drones to keep track
Speaker 8: of these people.
Speaker 1: We know where they are.
Speaker 2: We just have them all with electronic monitor.
Speaker 1: Because the law doesn't allow it.
Speaker 2: Small problem there are no drones, the far right wing
Speaker 2: Citny Morning Herald, among others, pointing out today Minister admits
Speaker 2: there were no drones. Now, interestingly, many other people in
Speaker 2: the press gallery referred to this as a back down
Speaker 2: or a backflip. No, just an outright lie. For his part,
Speaker 2: Giles had to admit to the lie. But of course
Speaker 2: this is the government of no responsibility, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: his fault what he said.
Speaker 8: And as the Shadow Minister said last week in an
Speaker 8: interview on Sky News, I did state that Operation.
Speaker 2: Agis was using drones.
Speaker 8: I relied on information provided by my department at the time.
Speaker 2: Which has since which has since been Clara Fabers so
Speaker 2: helped me out, Prime Minister. When the sun goes away,
Speaker 2: the lies apparently on Sky News. But your minister who
Speaker 2: gave an interview during the day was the one telling lies,
Speaker 2: I can't follow any of this, he lied, Oh, but
Speaker 2: it's the department. It was the advice. How does he
Speaker 2: know so little about his own operation? And as we
Speaker 2: have seen multiple times, week in week out, especially during
Speaker 2: sitting weeks, so they'll start over here, they'll end up
Speaker 2: over there and somehow it's Scott Morrison's fault. For their part,
Speaker 2: the Opposition say, what is very obvious, this bloke's got
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 9: It's extraordinary, isn't it that somebody just so hopeless, so incompetent,
Speaker 9: can be continue to be protected by the Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: I assume it's because he's his numbers man. But it's
Speaker 9: now got to the point that not only do Australians
Speaker 9: not feel safe, they are actually not safe. I don't
Speaker 9: know how much longer he can survive, but he can't
Speaker 9: go fast enough for Australian safety.
Speaker 2: Now, one of the many reasons why the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: says what he does to generally go fouring giggles of
Speaker 2: the camera bubble, including many of the media sitting up
Speaker 2: the top, is because I've been around the media long
Speaker 2: enough to know how they achieve what they try to
Speaker 2: achieve and also to see what they do when they
Speaker 2: try to avoid issues. What am I talking about, Well,
Speaker 2: the amount of people coming into the country is something
Speaker 2: that relentlessly regardless of either side of politics. But certainly
Speaker 2: in the past two years, Australians every pole, every time
Speaker 2: tell us that too many people are coming to Australia,
Speaker 2: that they believe the migration rate is too high. But
Speaker 2: the little Canberra bubble within the bubble, that being the
Speaker 2: media who patrols the bubble, well they don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about this. They somehow think there's something frankly a
Speaker 2: little bit racist about discussing anything to do with migration,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that I've made it very clear that
Speaker 2: it's not about where you come from. It's not about
Speaker 2: the language that the your parents spoke, it's not about
Speaker 2: what you look like. It's not about what you have
Speaker 2: for dinner. It's not about what God you do or
Speaker 2: don't believe in. It's just simply the infrastructure that exists
Speaker 2: today is not good enough for all of the people
Speaker 2: that are already here. So when you turn around and
Speaker 2: tip hundreds of thousands of more people into that system,
Speaker 2: then all of those problems get worse because When it
Speaker 2: comes to state governments, they build hospitals ten years from
Speaker 2: now for today's standard. When it comes to the federal government,
Speaker 2: they build infrastructure for today's need. They don't turn around
Speaker 2: and build four or five lane roads. We'll do another
Speaker 2: two lane road and put a toll on it. But
Speaker 2: of course when you add more and more people, well,
Speaker 2: of course that traffic jam gets bigger. But of course
Speaker 2: it's not just the traffic jam, it's hospital ramping. When
Speaker 2: people call trip loo, an ambulance eventually turns up, and
Speaker 2: then in every state in the country, every single state,
Speaker 2: and Tasmania, hospital ramping is the worse it's ever been
Speaker 2: because the hospitals aren't good enough. But no, add more people.
Speaker 2: That's always been my issue with immigration, equally so on
Speaker 2: the simple rules of supply and demand. If you end
Speaker 2: up putting more people onto the demand side of the
Speaker 2: housing industry, well then more people competing for fewer properties
Speaker 2: means the price goes up lit alone. The same when
Speaker 2: it comes to rental properties, and right now there's an
Speaker 2: awful lot of Australians who cannot get into either of
Speaker 2: those two markets, and the number of people are homeless
Speaker 2: is going through the roof. Now, does that mean that
Speaker 2: you have to blame anyone who looks different than you? No,
Speaker 2: never said it, never infert it. In fact, gone out
Speaker 2: of my way every time to say that that is
Speaker 2: not the case. Yet the guardians of the bubble, the
Speaker 2: bubble within the bubble, that is the media, say any
Speaker 2: conversation about this stuff, well, of course it's racist. Perfect
Speaker 2: example of this is nasty Nicky Sava, who of course
Speaker 2: now writes over in the Sidney Morning Herald and constantly
Speaker 2: pops up over there on the ABC, and she is
Speaker 2: already telegraphed that this conversation about migration is not acceptable.
Speaker 2: It is a bad conversation to have. It is a
Speaker 2: little bit her inference racist. Why because this is what
Speaker 2: she wrote just after sixty forty or No, with the
Speaker 2: bloody success of its campaign to Troy the Voice, it
Speaker 2: is obvious that the Coalition will use the same techniques,
Speaker 2: apparatus and expertise to try to smash Anthony Abernezi at
Speaker 2: the next federal election. It goes on to say, from
Speaker 2: the top down, remember that phrase, from the top down,
Speaker 2: the government is now convinced that coalition has the means
Speaker 2: and the motivation and has already zeroed in on the
Speaker 2: issue that will that sorry, the issue with the pivot,
Speaker 2: with the potential to create the same chaos and division
Speaker 2: as the voice on an even grander scale. Immigration. Now,
Speaker 2: why are we confident the Nicky Savas words there about
Speaker 2: the government from the highest levels down. Well, it's pretty
Speaker 2: well informed because the former Senator Rex Patrick, remember, of course,
Speaker 2: has done everything he can to try to get access
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister's diary. He was able to get
Speaker 2: access eventually and among the very first people to get
Speaker 2: face to face one on one meetings, not interviews, meetings
Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister, the Sydney Morning Herald columnist Nicky Sava.
Speaker 2: So yes, she would be informed directly by the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister in these private meetings, not interviews. Oh, we're really
Speaker 2: worried about dotting an immigration now. Of course, if you
Speaker 2: don't quite know who I'm talking about when it comes
Speaker 2: to Nicky Savage, She's got every possible award in the world.
Speaker 2: And again she will opine in her way about how
Speaker 2: evil the Liberal Party is now pulled to the right
Speaker 2: it is, and how Sky News is part of the problem.
Speaker 2: But I just should give you a quote from twenty
Speaker 2: ten where Nicki says, as a journalist, I lied often,
Speaker 2: usually about my sources, but about other things. Journalists can
Speaker 2: and do get away with lying. Politicians and staff don't,
Speaker 2: nor should they, so surprise, surprise. One rule for the
Speaker 2: people policing the bubble, another rule for the people who
Speaker 2: don't please the person policing the bubble. But again, this
Speaker 2: issue about immigration, it's so frankly nineteen nineties the left's
Speaker 2: view that any conversation about the size and nature of
Speaker 2: immigration must therefore be racist, when of course, the reality
Speaker 2: of every suburb every person watching this show lives in
Speaker 2: is that it is way more diverse and better for
Speaker 2: it since the nineteen nineties. And of course, Laura Tingle,
Speaker 2: who no doubt will be being excused from all issues
Speaker 2: whatsoever because again she's one of the great high processes
Speaker 2: of the left, and no doubt a law be an
Speaker 2: evil news corp hit job, blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that of course her calling the country
Speaker 2: racist was covered by the nine newspapers. But you know,
Speaker 2: just a news corp thing, right, And of course she
Speaker 2: said this ridiculous thing that apparently when the government cuts immigration,
Speaker 2: which allegedly is their policy not racist. When Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: says he's going to cut it further, that is racist.
Speaker 2: Rather tape for a major point.
Speaker 10: The calling of us be saying, as Nicky says, you
Speaker 10: know everything that's going row in this country is because
Speaker 10: of my groups and you flare should people turning up
Speaker 10: to try to read a property or at an auction
Speaker 10: and they look a bit different? What do you define
Speaker 10: different as? Basically he has given them license.
Speaker 2: To be abused. Warden, What a coincidence that the person
Speaker 2: sitting next to Laura Tingle while she was putting the
Speaker 2: ship into everyday Australians was almost nasty to kiss. Wow,
Speaker 2: what a one two punch of independence. Well, another pole
Speaker 2: today proves that the conversation about our immigration levels is
Speaker 2: one Australians want to have. Similar polling has come out
Speaker 2: in the Turmble Times otherwise known as The Guardian. Similar
Speaker 2: polling has come out in news poll the Resolved political
Speaker 2: monitor Morgan. Every time his question gets asked, the same
Speaker 2: response comes back. Where if you follow the red line,
Speaker 2: more people believe that immigration is too high than just
Speaker 2: about right or too low. O. That's for the entire country. Amazingly,
Speaker 2: forty eight percent is the number across the whole country
Speaker 2: in the Act where the bubble lives it is fifty
Speaker 2: two percent. It is a whole four points higher where
Speaker 2: the people in the Act claim that the immigration rate
Speaker 2: is too high. That's higher than the national average. But
Speaker 2: what about the Northern Territory seventy seven percent of people
Speaker 2: Todd the Lowe Institute that immigration is too high. In
Speaker 2: Greater Sydney it was fifty one percent, which is worth noting. Canberra,
Speaker 2: by the way, has a different view than Melbourne. Melbourne
Speaker 2: has forty six percent of people saying it's too high,
Speaker 2: the Act forty eight percent. But you voted yes, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Oh we're not wraith Yeth. And for the rest of
Speaker 2: queenslande excluding Southeas Queensland, it's fifty six percent. Now, this
Speaker 2: pole was really good. It broke it down on age factors,
Speaker 2: on gender, some political lines. But there you go. An
Speaker 2: extreme majority of the Act Yes, country thinks that immigration
Speaker 2: is too high. Does this mean that these people are
Speaker 2: all inherently racist? Because didn't the Act vote yes? So
Speaker 2: therefore how could they be racist on him? I don't know.
Speaker 2: But then again, apparently this is where the truth comes
Speaker 2: to die. The reality is that Australians are immigrants and
Speaker 2: all of us have some connection somewhere, and we're all
Speaker 2: proud of it. And by and large we all get
Speaker 2: along with our neighbors. We say get aid to strangers.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter from where they're from. That we are
Speaker 2: all interested in a great future together. Doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: there are not racists amongst us, of course, but none
Speaker 2: of that is approved of. None of that is okay
Speaker 2: by those of us who want to have a conversation
Speaker 2: about the demand on public services that come from more
Speaker 2: people being added to the country at an artificial rate
Speaker 2: in order to prop up the federal budget. So in part,
Speaker 2: the politicians that the bubble gatekeepers want to keep in
Speaker 2: power get to say vote for us because we've had
Speaker 2: two surpluses. But if the reality for most Australians is
Speaker 2: that their weight for everything got longer or their services
Speaker 2: got harder to access in part because of that, it's
Speaker 2: not racist. It's just the reality of life in Australia
Speaker 2: where more people in the Act than Melbourne think we
Speaker 2: should cut the rate. Oh how dare they same? Pol
Speaker 2: from the Lower Institute also points towards nuclear power. Now
Speaker 2: again the Prime Minister is out there telling all and
Speaker 2: sundry and again many of the bubble figures go, oh,
Speaker 2: this is disgraceful. It's so expensive. Well, what about the
Speaker 2: trillion dollars of moving from colder renewables. Oh and Australians
Speaker 2: definitely don't want nucular power. Apart from the ones who
Speaker 2: entered this survey. That what the best part of sixty
Speaker 2: one percent of people do you support or opposed Australia
Speaker 2: using nuclear power to generate electricity alongside other sources of energy?
Speaker 2: Twenty seven percent? Hell yeah, thirty four percent. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that's what gets us to six in ten voters. Now,
Speaker 2: I noticed this popped up somewhere in the Turmble Times
Speaker 2: today and then it got bear it as fast as possible.
Speaker 2: The hardcore opposition is just seventeen percent. You can add
Speaker 2: to it another twenty and you get to thirty seven
Speaker 2: percent who say no, vast majority you say yes, a
Speaker 2: couple of percent who don't know. But you know where
Speaker 2: the bubble and we know what's right always. Now, something
Speaker 2: that does is worth talking about is something that was
Speaker 2: written about by our mad Paul Kelly. Now we don't
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to interview Paul Kelly from the Australian
Speaker 2: newspaper on the show that much, but lots of other
Speaker 2: programs do we respect this work, And of course we
Speaker 2: read so much of what he has to say in
Speaker 2: the oars, particularly on the weekends, because the weekend stuff
Speaker 2: is where he gets to sit back and have a
Speaker 2: look at some bigger issues. And there's something really interesting
Speaker 2: that he wrote about this weekend, far more eloquently that
Speaker 2: I would be able to come up with off the
Speaker 2: top of my head. Remember on this show there's no script.
Speaker 2: It's just me looking into the camera. And he says,
Speaker 2: among other things, that the Middle East War has exposed
Speaker 2: the sheer depth of shattered values in Australia. He basically
Speaker 2: is starting to talk about the many factors within our
Speaker 2: country that are now turning us into the two Australias. Now,
Speaker 2: he says, the nation is more divided than ever about
Speaker 2: fundamental values, leading to a growing cultural chasm with two
Speaker 2: sure consequences. It is far more difficult to achieve national
Speaker 2: interest policies, and once a society is split on values,
Speaker 2: then mutual trust quickly evaporates. This is Australia's plight. We
Speaker 2: cannot get things done because we disagree fundamentally. Every sign
Speaker 2: is the CITI is that the situation is getting worse.
Speaker 2: The cultural schism is not a straight binary split, but
Speaker 2: more a series of intersecting splits. The point is that
Speaker 2: the two cultures didn't emerge overnight, yet they can emerge
Speaker 2: quickly over the course of a generation. Every sign is
Speaker 2: that is happening right now in Australia. As very clever analysis. Now,
Speaker 2: the truth is that we like to make it easy
Speaker 2: to say that people are on this side or that
Speaker 2: side of the argument, if you're team Red or team blue.
Speaker 2: But as I've always argued, the left doesn't own compassion,
Speaker 2: the right can too. Equally, the right doesn't own strength,
Speaker 2: the left can. Two. Moral certainty is something that most
Speaker 2: people in the political debate would suggest that they have
Speaker 2: and nobody else has, and whoever disagrees with them is
Speaker 2: somehow not as moral. But the point that he made
Speaker 2: in the article, and I do suggest that you read it,
Speaker 2: is in part, once we start to get to that
Speaker 2: place where the people we disagree with to think that
Speaker 2: we are morally superior to those we disagree with. And I,
Speaker 2: as you've seen tonight, disagree with plenty but I do
Speaker 2: not believe that I am morally superior to any of
Speaker 2: the people I disagree with. I assume they all love
Speaker 2: their kids, they all love their family, they're all loved
Speaker 2: by their friends, and I'm sure they're all nice people
Speaker 2: to the people who know them. But how often do
Speaker 2: you see attributed from the left to the right when
Speaker 2: it comes to the people they disagree with somehow anything
Speaker 2: that someone who disagrees with them has some sort of
Speaker 2: malicious intent. Look at that debate about the Voice, where
Speaker 2: the government of course said it was all misinformation, or
Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen election where they said it was all memes,
Speaker 2: or the Tampa election. Every time there's a center right
Speaker 2: victory in this country, there's an asterisk next to it,
Speaker 2: according to the left. But every time there's a left
Speaker 2: wing victory like twenty and twenty two or two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, this is the revolution where we have changed
Speaker 2: and therefore nobody is allowed to disagree. If you disagree,
Speaker 2: you part of the past. But when we think about
Speaker 2: these two Australias and where they connect, where they don't connect,
Speaker 2: where at times they're in direct opposition, there's lots of
Speaker 2: other examples, and the ones that Paul Kelly had to
Speaker 2: look at and I think that cost of living is
Speaker 2: one of those. There's always been people of certain wealth
Speaker 2: and certain poverty in our country, but it feels that
Speaker 2: the great group in the middle is just being told
Speaker 2: to shut up and pay your taxes. You're not good
Speaker 2: enough for the handout, and you're not important enough for
Speaker 2: the red carpet. Perfect example of this again in the
Speaker 2: Turmbul Times. They talk about the number of people who
Speaker 2: are out and about spending quite freely at this period
Speaker 2: of time. But of course the problem for those that
Speaker 2: are out in buying knew this and knew that, and
Speaker 2: sexy this and sexy that, and they don't care or
Speaker 2: they ring it up on the credit card is that
Speaker 2: all of that, of course, then turns around and creates
Speaker 2: the argument for an increase in interest rates, which means,
Speaker 2: of course the middle class working people end up getting
Speaker 2: the screws tightened on them day in day out, to
Speaker 2: the extent where many people in the country have to
Speaker 2: find tens of thousands of dollars more to pay off
Speaker 2: their house. And it's not even the dream house, remember,
Speaker 2: let alone the people who have to try to save
Speaker 2: tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars to be
Speaker 2: able to get a deposit. But because the reserve Bank
Speaker 2: only has one switch and it goes up and it
Speaker 2: goes down, you have this chasm. Same when it comes
Speaker 2: to the energy policy of the country. You have the
Speaker 2: richest people amongst us who say, of course, we absolutely
Speaker 2: must make the change. But they are safe enough in
Speaker 2: knowing that not one wind farm or one solar farm
Speaker 2: will be anywhere near their house or their dog park
Speaker 2: or the ritzy bits of town. They know to law
Speaker 2: go out there, because out there is nowhere near them,
Speaker 2: and therefore out there doesn't matter. And when it comes
Speaker 2: to cost of living again we learn about the people
Speaker 2: in the middle who are hurting right now. And there
Speaker 2: was a great story on the weekend that even the
Speaker 2: people who volunteer, and I think there's a group of
Speaker 2: Australians who are so amazing, and they're not just the
Speaker 2: people wh volunteer at the footy clubs. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: that the men and women, or as leftist would say,
Speaker 2: the women and men who volunteer for things like the
Speaker 2: rural Fire Service or the sees and think about it
Speaker 2: in regional areas. These are the people who respond to
Speaker 2: car crashes. If any of these rich people ended up
Speaker 2: having holes blown through their roof because of hail, they
Speaker 2: would end up calling their local version of the SEES,
Speaker 2: which of course is filled with volunteers. And volunteers are
Speaker 2: now saying because of the cost of living, they can't
Speaker 2: afford to take the days off work. But it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter because there's a hole in my roof to Henry,
Speaker 2: dear Henry, please come and fix it right now with
Speaker 2: a tar poland because I'm off to go shopping tomorrow.
Speaker 2: They just don't care. Sadly, there are at times two
Speaker 2: Australias that afford upon the most ridiculous forms of the
Speaker 2: gender lines. We see how often this garbage about I'd
Speaker 2: be more comfortable with a bear than a man in Australia.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Then, of course you have the education issues
Speaker 2: in Australia and they divide between those that made it
Speaker 2: to university and those who didn't. And again supposedly that
Speaker 2: people with higher education they end up voting to the left.
Speaker 2: I smarter people vote for the left. Dumb dumbs vote
Speaker 2: for the right. What was that thing again the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister said about lies and this television station. Again, if
Speaker 2: you watch this stuff, they have a very nasty view
Speaker 2: not of us, but of you. They think that you're
Speaker 2: surplus to the conversation. You're the boomers, the ones who
Speaker 2: apparently have had it so good for so long, no
Speaker 2: problems in your life whatsoever, and now somehow it's time
Speaker 2: for you to pay up so the next generation can
Speaker 2: have the same amazing life that you had. Again, this
Speaker 2: is all just like this, and then they turn around
Speaker 2: and anytime you try to push back against any of
Speaker 2: these policies, it's misinformation or it's where truth goes to die. Seriously,
Speaker 2: a perfect example about this too, is about other people's money.
Speaker 2: Now you've heard this story a couple of times throughout
Speaker 2: the night, but it's still worth talking about. And that's mate,
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten. Can you believe the taxpayers are having to
Speaker 2: find six hundred thousand dollars for a speech writer three
Speaker 2: hundred grand a year for the past couple of years.
Speaker 2: Now he's not the prime minister, but apparently he thinks
Speaker 2: he deserves his speechwriter to get paid what a prime
Speaker 2: minister or speech writer should be paid. But even then,
Speaker 2: three hundred grand's too much a year. Here is Bill
Speaker 2: Shorton talking about it on a current affair tonight. What happened?
Speaker 11: If you're referring today as some sort of cheap liberal
Speaker 11: tactic in the Parliament, do you.
Speaker 1: Think it's to spend that you're a speechwriter? Is the
Speaker 1: no question I'm asking.
Speaker 11: First of all, I think that service the hiring of
Speaker 11: a speechwriter was done by Service as Australia. I had
Speaker 11: no idea what the payment was, so if you're trying
Speaker 11: to link me to that, good luck. The point about
Speaker 11: it is the person involved whos a speechwriter, does a
Speaker 11: very good job. I'm not responsible for negotiating a contract.
Speaker 2: But you are the minister responsible for the organization. Perfect
Speaker 2: example about the way the Labour Party works, which is
Speaker 2: the bureaucracies completely to itself. Do not interrupt it whatsoever, unless,
Speaker 2: of course it's politically expedient to blame it for your lives.
Speaker 2: Just like Andrew Giles or in this case nothing to
Speaker 2: do with me, I can't possibly challenge them. Bill Shorton
Speaker 2: could have turned around and simply said, look, first I
Speaker 2: heard about this was today. That won't be continuing. The
Speaker 2: first opportunity I have to rewrite or not renew the contract.
Speaker 2: That's what I'll do instead, oh cheap liberal party tactics,
Speaker 2: when the same sort of stuff would have been practiced
Speaker 2: by labor for how long and how many times over
Speaker 2: the past couple of years. But of course it's all
Speaker 2: different now we're back in government and we've learnt all
Speaker 2: of our lessons from the Rand and Gilload years. We're
Speaker 2: so much better, aren't we. All right? Finally, in the
Speaker 2: United States, before we get to our debate, this Monday night,
Speaker 2: as you know, Donald Trump appeared on Fox and Friends
Speaker 2: on their weekend program. He did so from his home
Speaker 2: in Bedminster, New Jersey, and any of you where I've
Speaker 2: got to say, if you actually go back and watch it,
Speaker 2: you go, that's the Trump that you want on the
Speaker 2: campaign trail. That's not the Catherine Wheel That's a bloke
Speaker 2: who's just speaking calmly all the rest of it. That's
Speaker 2: the bloke who will and truly could win the upcoming election.
Speaker 2: He's also just joined TikTok. Now this is interesting. Previously
Speaker 2: he wanted to ban it, but now the Parliament and
Speaker 2: Joe Biden a passed the legislation for TikTok to be
Speaker 2: sold off to an American owner. So therefore he has
Speaker 2: now joined TikTok, trying to save the platform, but more
Speaker 2: importantly to be able to play videos like this to
Speaker 2: get young voters on his side.
Speaker 12: The president is now on tech Times in my own away,
Speaker 12: long time mate.
Speaker 2: It is still a Chino surveillance appen I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: going anywhere near it, but still three million people have
Speaker 2: already joined him there. Now, as for the trial, again,
Speaker 2: a bit more polling is starting to come in about
Speaker 2: whether people agree with the verdict, whether they thought things
Speaker 2: were fair or unfair, and again, where would you see
Speaker 2: anywhere else on Telly data that sometimes goes against your worldview.
Speaker 2: Let me show you. Fifty six percent of people told
Speaker 2: CBS they believe that it is a fair trial. When
Speaker 2: it comes to that question of a fair trial, of course,
Speaker 2: it breaks down. Ninety five percent of Democrats say yes,
Speaker 2: eighty six percent of Republicans say no. But most importantly,
Speaker 2: the people who will decide the election independence, Fifty four
Speaker 2: percent of them say yep, it's fair. Independence Again, fifty
Speaker 2: six percent say that they got to the right verdict
Speaker 2: him guilty. Ninety six percent of Democrats say that's the case.
Speaker 2: Eighty two percent of Republicans, Interestingly, that eighteen percent number
Speaker 2: of Republicans would be that nicky Hayley wing. Obviously, of
Speaker 2: eighteen percent of them don't vote for Trump, then Biden's
Speaker 2: going to win again. I'll show you the data. I'll
Speaker 2: have plenty to say and lots of bluster and lots
Speaker 2: of opinion, but I'll show you the data. However, forty
Speaker 2: five percent of people say no, he shouldn't go to jail,
Speaker 2: compared to thirty eight percent who say yes. So we'll
Speaker 2: all wait and see what happens there. But guess what
Speaker 2: happens in America? Tonight, Hunter Biden goes to trial one
Speaker 2: of two trials, this one about falsifying information to get
Speaker 2: a gun license. Interestingly, this story all started when his
Speaker 2: sister in law got rid of the gun. Now, I
Speaker 2: won't bore you with the details here, but yes, Hunter
Speaker 2: and the sister in law of his dead brother did
Speaker 2: have a little relationship. Whatever their business, do what you want.
Speaker 2: But interestingly, apparently one of the chief witnesses against Hunter
Speaker 2: Biden when it comes to this gun is going to
Speaker 2: be his brother's widow. Now, it's been about nine years
Speaker 2: since Bo Biden passed away, and every family has a
Speaker 2: right to mourn But interestingly, television cameras were there to
Speaker 2: see Joe Biden going to the house of his son's
Speaker 2: widow and former partner of Hunter, where, of course they
Speaker 2: only ever discussed family matters. They never discussed at all
Speaker 2: behind closed doors. What she would be telling a court
Speaker 2: about Hunter in a couple of days time. An interesting
Speaker 2: question which was asked by Peter Deucy of the White House.
Speaker 2: Imagine if this was Trump, by the way, but how
Speaker 2: a look.
Speaker 13: Why did President Biden have a private meeting with a
Speaker 13: witness who plans to testicate court against his son?
Speaker 7: Can you say more?
Speaker 13: Hallie, Biden is a key government witness who allegedly disposed
Speaker 13: of a gun the Hunter is accused of buying illegally.
Speaker 2: President Biden was at her house this week.
Speaker 14: I think the American people should also be told the
Speaker 14: full breath of this, not just a part of this
Speaker 14: question here. As you all know, the President actually spoke
Speaker 14: to this yesterday during his memorial I think impactful, powerful
Speaker 14: Memorial Day address where he talked about He talked about
Speaker 14: the passing, the anniversary, the ninth anniversary of the passing
Speaker 14: of his son, and he visited her as that anniversary
Speaker 14: is approaching. He visited her days before the anniversary of
Speaker 14: the passing of his son.
Speaker 2: And of course I never mentioned so when you go
Speaker 2: to court to testify against my son, wouldn't possibly happen.
Speaker 2: Joe Botton would never do something like that. Hey, like
Speaker 2: how current prime. It's the greatest president of all time.
Speaker 2: Let's see whether this video you're watching right now is
Speaker 2: on the internet or it has been ruled misinformation. Quick
Speaker 2: breakback with more plenty to talk about here on Paul
Speaker 2: Murray Live. Thanks for watching us this Monday night. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much for watching. Let's get straight into it
Speaker 2: right now. A man who you do not say chad
Speaker 2: around at any point in time, the wonderful Sam Cross
Speaker 2: be lovely to see you, sir, looking looking at it
Speaker 2: very inside joke. Yeah, but you look at healthy. That's
Speaker 2: all that matters right now. And of course a man
Speaker 2: who loves the food they have there at Parliament House.
Speaker 2: I mean it is just made with love, particularly for
Speaker 2: National Party MPs. Is none other. The center of Matt
Speaker 2: Canavan joining us now from Melbourne. So I had plead
Speaker 2: to say about immigration and again sort of the high
Speaker 2: priestesses of the camera bubble saying that there's something kind
Speaker 2: of racist about talking about it. But yet again another
Speaker 2: pole comes out, Matt and tells us exactly what we know,
Speaker 2: including that a very high number of people in the
Speaker 2: Act think that immigration is too high. But tell me
Speaker 2: why is this conversation always meant both people on the
Speaker 2: left as some sort of a dog whistle about race.
Speaker 15: Well, Paul, I think the left side of politics here
Speaker 15: want to have open borders. They don't really believe in
Speaker 15: securing our nation's borders. They didn't really believe in John
Speaker 15: Howard's statement many years ago that we should decide who
Speaker 15: comes here in the circumstance which they can't come. They
Speaker 15: were dragkicking and screaming to that. So they're never really
Speaker 15: their heart's not really in it. And today at s
Speaker 15: Senate estimates, it was uncovered that we according to Treasury,
Speaker 15: we have five hundred thousand more temporary visa holders here
Speaker 15: than we normally do on average. So on average, before
Speaker 15: the pandemic, we'd have about one point nine million temporary
Speaker 15: visa holders in the country. At thet we have two
Speaker 15: point four million people, and if they live in houses
Speaker 15: at two point five people per house, as the rest
Speaker 15: of the population do that's two hundred thousand homes we need.
Speaker 15: We're only building one hundred seventy thousand homes a year, and.
Speaker 1: So you do the math.
Speaker 15: We've just brought in a number of people that that's
Speaker 15: taking up fourteen months of house supply from everybody else.
Speaker 15: And that's why you've got us trains living intense. It's
Speaker 15: very simple mats and we've got to cut those numbers back.
Speaker 15: But still this government they're saying they want to have
Speaker 15: the temporary of the net overseas migration rate. Sorry, but
Speaker 15: they're going to leave it at two hundred and thirty
Speaker 15: five thousand people a year, which is still above the
Speaker 15: last twenty year average. Last twenty year average is just
Speaker 15: under two hundred thousand people a year, and the Labor
Speaker 15: Party want to put it above average. And when I
Speaker 15: put that to Kadie Gallagher, the Financeman should no answer
Speaker 15: about why they've chosen a figure above the long term average.
Speaker 15: They're trying to slip this in by deceit here, by saying, oh,
Speaker 15: look it's down from where it was. It was up here,
Speaker 15: we're going to bring it down here, but it's still
Speaker 15: well above average.
Speaker 1: It should come below that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Sam Again, this my issue. This is
Speaker 2: the conversation about migration, in my view, is a conversation
Speaker 2: about adding more demand to systems that are already at
Speaker 2: a level of breaking point. Right, we can talk about
Speaker 2: everything from your world of Vinnie's and the types of
Speaker 2: people that end up needing those services, all the way
Speaker 2: through to people who want to buy a house, and
Speaker 2: hospital ramping and a minion, different things in between. Nobody
Speaker 2: is at all going to suggest that the lower institute
Speaker 2: doing this pole only asked white people. So what is
Speaker 2: it about the sort of institutional left show. I always
Speaker 2: think that there's something racist about talking.
Speaker 16: We can add a sensible conversation about this, and I
Speaker 16: think everyone from the Prime Minister, as Matt said, who
Speaker 16: wants to reduce immigration, I think it was by half
Speaker 16: or some enormous number like that. I think we can
Speaker 16: all agree from the PM down the numbers got to
Speaker 16: come down.
Speaker 2: But Laura Tingle having this conversation gives license to people
Speaker 2: who look different to be set upon.
Speaker 16: We talked about Laura. We talked about Laura Tingle last week.
Speaker 16: Let's talk about Matt's previous jump the shark comment. Labor
Speaker 16: believes in open borders now is his opening gambit. I mean,
Speaker 16: come on, you don't think that jumps the shark. Just
Speaker 16: a little bit, little bit of additional hyperbole there, Come on,
Speaker 16: I mean.
Speaker 15: I actually said the left. I said the left, Sam,
Speaker 15: I said the left believe in that. That's sure, But
Speaker 15: then they do some of them really do? They want
Speaker 15: to open borders.
Speaker 2: They just can't create the crazy ones.
Speaker 1: Can't.
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't group the Prime minister.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm referring to.
Speaker 16: Yeah, but yeah, just so we can all agree that
Speaker 16: the Green shouldn't be in charge of the immigration policy.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then you can need and you need every
Speaker 2: one of their preferences to get you've.
Speaker 1: Got Andrew Giles.
Speaker 15: Andrew Giles is probably one of those crazy people.
Speaker 1: He's one of those ones.
Speaker 15: Andrew Giles acted for the Tampa refugees, So you probably
Speaker 15: picked the wrong Blike there.
Speaker 2: I don't think Sam's going to defend him. I'm fluent
Speaker 2: in Sam and I won't even make him do it.
Speaker 2: But what about the Treasury boss and again him and
Speaker 2: others starting to talk about the economic situation here in
Speaker 2: and around these immigration numbers.
Speaker 15: Well, that's right, they did admit that they've got it wrong.
Speaker 15: They go forecasted it wrong today. But as I said before,
Speaker 15: I don't understand why having got it wrong so much,
Speaker 15: and by having so many more people here than we
Speaker 15: plan for, that we're not bringing down our migration rate
Speaker 15: below the long term average.
Speaker 1: As Sam said, they bring it down by half.
Speaker 15: It sounds like a lot, but of course a half
Speaker 15: of an enormous number is still an enormous number. And
Speaker 15: children thirty five thousand a year, which is what Labor
Speaker 15: is saying they want to get down to the net
Speaker 15: overseas migration rate is still around forty thousand people, higher
Speaker 15: than the long term average that we normally bring in
Speaker 15: every year. So why is the Labor Party doing that?
Speaker 15: I mean, the other aspect of this is okay, there's
Speaker 15: something that are not so crazy on the left. But
Speaker 15: big business, big corporates, they want this number to be
Speaker 15: high because they want cheap wages, They want people to
Speaker 15: be able to do the jobs for them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I openly say.
Speaker 15: This that they don't have to pay too much for
Speaker 15: for the uber drives and all these things, but that
Speaker 15: makes the rest of the Australian people suffer, who don't
Speaker 15: have the resources of the rich to get around the
Speaker 15: congestion to get around the high house prices, the lack
Speaker 15: of housingfordability. That's why you're seeing this clash here against
Speaker 15: the desires a big business.
Speaker 1: And big corpus just to keep growing people in.
Speaker 16: Sorry, could not disagree more more with that if I tried.
Speaker 16: We're not bringing in uber drivers, right. The people that
Speaker 16: we are bringing in overwhelmingly doctors for the page care workers, so.
Speaker 1: We're bringing in mostly student visas. They must be on.
Speaker 16: GOUGH and go through and have a look at the data.
Speaker 16: Go through and have a look at the data. There
Speaker 16: is a large number of doctors, nurses, professional healthcare workers
Speaker 16: that we're bringing in on skilled migration visas. And the
Speaker 16: reason that you don't want to have a knee jerk reaction,
Speaker 16: pulled the handbrake on and stop is so that you
Speaker 16: don't get skilled shortages in those areas. I mean, the
Speaker 16: whole reason that we've got a massive house problem right
Speaker 16: now is that we stopped building houses during COVID, and
Speaker 16: then in the months and years after COVID we just
Speaker 16: didn't cope, and then we went straight back to full
Speaker 16: migration immediately afterwards. That's the problem. So we we're having
Speaker 16: this who's responsible for the migration rate? The federal government.
Speaker 16: The federal government. It was the federal government under your
Speaker 16: previous government was under Stop Larson.
Speaker 1: The border was closed. The border was only opened a
Speaker 1: few months before we lost government. It wasn't the former
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 16: It was open, and you guys were setting the immigration
Speaker 16: rates when the border was reopened.
Speaker 2: And then in May of twenty twenty two, then the
Speaker 2: government changed. We had change possibly do anything until December
Speaker 2: last year. Is that what we're supposed to believe.
Speaker 16: No, we're supposed to believe that you don't want to
Speaker 16: have you don't want to have a handbreak on the
Speaker 16: on the immigration rate and then foots the floor acceleration.
Speaker 16: It's just it's just crazy to stop.
Speaker 2: If all the.
Speaker 1: Driver's changed in May, party is done.
Speaker 2: If the driver changed in May, I'm going to blame
Speaker 2: the driver who's been around for the majority of the
Speaker 2: time post COVID, then the one.
Speaker 16: I'm not saying this is a liberal thing or related.
Speaker 16: I'm saying this is states.
Speaker 15: Open all our state borders until March twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: So, I don't know where you're getting this from.
Speaker 15: We're in March twenty twenty two, we still had the
Speaker 15: wa border clothes. It wasn't until that until the end
Speaker 15: of March we had all our states open, and then
Speaker 15: we changed goverments a couple months later. And you're trying
Speaker 15: to blame the Morrison government for this, Let me give
Speaker 15: me a break. I'm going to stare the federal government
Speaker 15: controls the borders and they've totally watched this.
Speaker 2: I'm going to step in because i want to take
Speaker 2: an early break. Why because i want to talk about
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Speaker 2: dot Au. We are here with Sam Crosby with Senator
Speaker 2: Matt Canevan so Trump guilty thirty four times the polling,
Speaker 2: it is too early to work out where it's going
Speaker 2: to go. But I showed before that again independence the
Speaker 2: swing voters of the election, they approve of the trial,
Speaker 2: they approve of its result. So Sam's a man I
Speaker 2: would like to see Biden win. How do you feel
Speaker 2: about what has happened and does it change the race
Speaker 2: that Trump was winning.
Speaker 16: I do think it changes the race, probably not in
Speaker 16: a good way for the Democrats. I think you're going
Speaker 16: to see over the last week and over the next
Speaker 16: week it's going to be one of his biggest fundraising
Speaker 16: moments in the last four years. This is just like
Speaker 16: lightning for his base. They are getting out there and
Speaker 16: they are donating in a big way. I mean, look,
Speaker 16: we'll see over the next couple of weeks when the
Speaker 16: sentencing happens. I would be staggered if he got any
Speaker 16: kind of a prison home detention sentence. Staggered it would
Speaker 16: be seen as such a dramatic, over the top sentence
Speaker 16: based purely on his statue and who he is as
Speaker 16: a person. That said, I don't think the comments today
Speaker 16: necessarily help you know, Oh, the country's not going to
Speaker 16: stand for this. Well, he essentially threatening insurrection.
Speaker 2: He's still whacking away at the judge, and I've explained
Speaker 2: in great detail why I have my issues with certain
Speaker 2: decisions that the judge has made. But Matt kind of
Speaker 2: presidential elections are always sort of marathons, and they've got
Speaker 2: different stages. There's the you know, getting to the nomination,
Speaker 2: and then there's the nomination to the convention, and then
Speaker 2: there's the convention to the debates, and then there's the
Speaker 2: debates to the end. But now we're going to the
Speaker 2: debates first, then a court room, then a convention, and
Speaker 2: then a big run to the election. So do you
Speaker 2: think that Trump stalls between now and that debate or
Speaker 2: he continues to lead.
Speaker 15: Well, look, it's pretty hard to make any predictions, Paul,
Speaker 15: I just buckle up. Who knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 15: I agree with Sam. I think the result helps Trump
Speaker 15: more than hurts him. It solidifies his stature as as
Speaker 15: a martyr to his cause, and he saw the reaction
Speaker 15: at the UFC the other day. I mean, he's got
Speaker 15: such an energized base right now, and a big part
Speaker 15: of US elections is getting out your voters. You can't
Speaker 15: say that for Joe Biden. Of course, there's not a
Speaker 15: lot of enthusiasm there, so it's going to be very,
Speaker 15: very hard. But they're going to throw the kitchen sink
Speaker 15: at Trump. I'm not so sure I agree with Sam though,
Speaker 15: that he won't face jail time.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the pass is any guide to
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 15: It looks like they're just they've decided to go a
Speaker 15: whole hog on this, and they'll probably try and try
Speaker 15: and move at the convention then days later that he
Speaker 15: doesn't have the nomination. He's got certain certainly plenty of
Speaker 15: enemies at the Republican side, So as I say, just
Speaker 15: buckle up, grab the popcorn.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's not our own country.
Speaker 15: It's just probably the most important country apart from our
Speaker 15: own So it doesn't matter that much, doesn't.
Speaker 2: Paul, No, not at all. I mean, what could possibly
Speaker 2: go wrong? Is that's right? I mean again, even if
Speaker 2: you're sort of an anti Trump person, right to see
Speaker 2: things like the sentencing happens for it's before the convention. Now,
Speaker 2: whether that's automatically the same ninety days from who knows, right,
Speaker 2: but just where it ends up landing is going to
Speaker 2: be fascinating. And I've got to say though, Sam, that
Speaker 2: you know, as I said, I think this is about stages.
Speaker 2: We'll see how Trump manages this stage. But the next
Speaker 2: big event that we know about is the debate. But
Speaker 2: this is the debate that is a different debate. It's
Speaker 2: in a TV studio, microphone switched off, no side cam,
Speaker 2: so basically the interruption fest that happened last year. And
Speaker 2: isn't that a scenario where the expectations are always so
Speaker 2: lie with Biden that if he can survive it, he
Speaker 2: wins it, and if Trump sort of starts screaming, then
Speaker 2: again Biden wins it.
Speaker 16: Well, yeah, the format is going to be really interesting
Speaker 16: because you're right, the only way that Trump was able
Speaker 16: to beat sorry, the only way that Biden was able
Speaker 16: to beat Trump four years ago was essentially just by
Speaker 16: matching his crazy and just yelling incessantly, and both of
Speaker 16: them were just yelling and everyone turned the TV out.
Speaker 16: I think you're right, this new format means you can't
Speaker 16: really do that, or if you do, it'll just look
Speaker 16: a bit weirder.
Speaker 2: Well, also, it's always difficult, and you know this, you
Speaker 2: both of you know this in politics where if you're defending,
Speaker 2: is always harder than attacking. All Right, So previously Trump
Speaker 2: had to defend his record, which of course is difficult
Speaker 2: for any president generally to do. For Biden, now he's
Speaker 2: going to have to defend the past four years and
Speaker 2: all of it. He can't just turn around and go, well,
Speaker 2: right now, this particular one over here is working for me.
Speaker 2: And That'll be fascinated to see Matt because I haven't
Speaker 2: seen the great defense of himself in Biden. And if
Speaker 2: he's coming up against the buzz saw of Trump, who
Speaker 2: is at his best at full attack, not defense, then
Speaker 2: that makes this an interesting one in a few weeks time.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Well, most selections are referendums on the sitting government,
Speaker 15: and it's pretty hard to look at this term of
Speaker 15: US government and say they get a pass mark. There's
Speaker 15: dire consequences over the US that border the inflation at crisis, and.
Speaker 1: Of course the wars that have now gone across the world.
Speaker 15: So look, I think Trump's in the box seat here,
Speaker 15: but as I say, they are going to throw the
Speaker 15: kitchen sink and then some at Donald and as I
Speaker 15: say that, anything could happen.
Speaker 16: The big question has to be independence, though, you know.
Speaker 2: It's the only pole I want to watch is off them. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 16: I mean he's you know, we've talked a bit about
Speaker 16: the lightning in his base right now. There is a
Speaker 16: big chunk of underligned independence out there. My guess is
Speaker 16: they're just not going to be excited about a return
Speaker 16: of Trump, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: Correct and young voters have made it pretty clear they
Speaker 2: don't like where the president is on Gaza, hence why
Speaker 2: he was making all sorts of statements over the weekend,
Speaker 2: which of course been rejected for a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: different reasons by the Israeli government. Thank you, gang, do appreciate.
Speaker 2: We'll talk again very soon. That's our shat tonight. We'll
Speaker 2: see you again tomorrow night. But we will have waldall
Speaker 2: coverage of apparently a brand new scandal, which is the
Speaker 2: use of the word sheila tomorrow