WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 3 June 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.120 From the Skying Center. 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:07.840 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry, Happy Monday, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.119 Welcome to the man Cave. Plenty to fire off about tonight, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.800 But as always on this program, we celebrate the greatest 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.400 Prime Minister of all time, that being Anthony Abernezi. Just 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.880 ask him, just ask the press gallery, just ask his fans. 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.599 This is a man who has changed Australia for the 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:29.360 better with our bonomics. We've seen the scenario where MPs 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.600 get the biggest pay rise in ten years, public servants 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.040 get the biggest pay rise in ten years. But you 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.720 should be thankful to the government because they are sending 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.600 twenty five dollars a month to mansions around Australia to 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:47.000 help with their power bills. Of course, we celebrate a 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.560 man who travels the world as regularly as this Prime 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.880 Minister does. He apparently calls the taxpayer under jet that 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.040 he's on right now, Toto one, named after the little puppy, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.880 and as you know, he's taking delivery not one, but 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.120 two brand new private jets. Oh but they were ordered 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.760 under the last gouverment, so we couldn't possibly cancel it 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.480 during the cost of living budgets of two No, no, no, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:16.320 We'll take the new planes anyway. And despite the fact 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.600 that we celebrate this Prime Minister, occasionally we do have 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.039 to acknowledge that he says one thing and then does another, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.400 or said something way back when but does another thing now. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.560 But I'm very pleased with how. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.199 Much praise we give the greatest Prime Minister of all time, 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.360 and I'm pleased to say that he notices today a 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.679 question from the Deputy Liberal Leader, Susan lay was in 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:43.360 the Parliament. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.160 My question is to the Prime Minister. Andrew Clanel of 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.360 Sky News has reported that following the Prime Minister's meetings 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.559 with Jasinta Adern and prior to the introduction of Direction 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.760 ninety nine, the Prime Minister's Department directly instructed the Home 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.919 Affairs Department to attempt to find a way to stop 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.720 the deportation of so many New Zealand citizens and to 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:12.000 quote fix the problem. Prime Minister, is this true now? 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.720 The question was one that brought the greatest leader of 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.720 our times to his feet to the dispatch box, where 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:24.519 he absolutely didn't answer the question. Instead found a way 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.360 to have a go at those of us here in 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:28.840 primetime on Sky News. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.600 I thank the epty Leader for his opposition and Sky News. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:36.760 Her question. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:44.800 Sky News occasionally occasionally don't get things right. I know 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.600 they'll come, usually tonight, usually during. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:53.400 The day before it becomes dark, when truth sort of 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.840 gets darkened as the day goes on. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:04.240 Wow, hit me with a let us leave, sir please. Now, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.679 let's put this into a nice perspective for everyone. When 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.959 he just hears sky News, he obviously just thinks, oh, 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.680 those evil people that are having a go at me. Yeah, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.000 by holding you to the promises that you made by 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.480 exposing the endless failures and flaws of the spin that 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.800 the rest of the press gallery, of course likes to 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.239 churn about. But let's just go back to the question 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:30.200 that he was asked about. The central issue about why 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:35.040 did the Australian government start making special services for New 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.920 Zealanders as opposed to other people around the world who 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.120 should will have been sent home because of their crimes. Well, again, 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.480 this story didn't come from prime time. It came from 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:52.600 the early hours of Sunday morning when Andrew Clannell, our 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.160 National political editor, was the one who broke the story. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.280 Here it is on our website and here it is 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:58.440 from his own mouth. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:04.320 Sky News can reveal that the Prime Minister's Department directly 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.080 instructed the Home Affairs Department to attempt to find a 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.600 way to stop the deportation of criminal New Zealand citizens 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.360 who had lived in Australia for many years. This instruction 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.520 came prior to the drafting of Immigration Minister Andrew Giles's 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:24.040 Direction ninety nine. My information from sources involved in implementing 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.440 the decision at the time is that both Immigration Minister 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.520 Andrew Giles and the Prime Minister's Department instructed the Home 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.600 Affairs Department to quote fix the problem. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.400 So great story one of many that are broken constantly 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.680 by Andrew Clenell and our Canberra team. One done on 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:47.159 Sunday morning on Sunday Agenda. But because the Prime Minister 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.839 hears the words, sky News quick pivot into the parts 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.400 of the media that he dislikes the most, because we 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.800 call out his bs again his answer to a question 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:03.039 about Andrew story, I thank. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.400 The Deputy Leader for his opposition and. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.680 Sky News her question. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:16.400 Sky News occasionally occasionally don't get things right. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:17.320 I know they'll come. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.440 Usually it's at night, usually during the. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:26.400 Day before it becomes dark, when truth sort of gets darkened. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:32.839 As the day goes on. Now, I understand in Australia 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.440 we have a housing crisis. Well, I've got about an 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.080 acres worth of space in the Prime Minister's head that 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.000 clearly we occupy, and if anyone would like to put 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.359 a block of units on it, feel free and solve 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:49.279 the housing crisis, because clearly we're on his mind even 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.799 more than he would ever like to admit, Which brings 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.000 us to the idiot Andrew Giles, the minister who should 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.680 have been sacked a long time ago, who was a 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:03.200 result of his decision and his failures, has seen people 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.479 bashed and worse in the country. Now, as you know, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.400 he presides over a system that he claims is independent, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.880 but as the ABC you know that far right wing 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.320 organization has already proven the independent body that actually has 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.960 links straight back to the minister and is technically there 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.000 to advise the minister. And that independent group apparently had 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.600 made the decision that certain people who had come out 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.120 as a result of the High Court decision at the 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.000 end of last year, that those people shouldn't wear ankle bracelets. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.840 But don't worry, because according to the Immigration Minister, there 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.920 was magical drones in the sky being used to monitor 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.880 these people to make sure they didn't do anything bad. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.240 There is a quarter of a billion dollars that we've 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.440 invested in supporting our law enforcement agencies to enforce that, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.000 and that's enabled things like using drones to keep track 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:56.680 of these people. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:57.640 We know where they are. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.160 We just have them all with electronic monitor. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.400 Because the law doesn't allow it. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.520 Small problem there are no drones, the far right wing 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.640 Citny Morning Herald, among others, pointing out today Minister admits 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.520 there were no drones. Now, interestingly, many other people in 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.640 the press gallery referred to this as a back down 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:19.000 or a backflip. No, just an outright lie. For his part, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.080 Giles had to admit to the lie. But of course 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.600 this is the government of no responsibility, so it wasn't 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.240 his fault what he said. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.480 And as the Shadow Minister said last week in an 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.440 interview on Sky News, I did state that Operation. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.840 Agis was using drones. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:38.400 I relied on information provided by my department at the time. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:44.240 Which has since which has since been Clara Fabers so 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.119 helped me out, Prime Minister. When the sun goes away, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.400 the lies apparently on Sky News. But your minister who 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.400 gave an interview during the day was the one telling lies, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.120 I can't follow any of this, he lied, Oh, but 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.200 it's the department. It was the advice. How does he 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.200 know so little about his own operation? And as we 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.000 have seen multiple times, week in week out, especially during 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.320 sitting weeks, so they'll start over here, they'll end up 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.640 over there and somehow it's Scott Morrison's fault. For their part, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.880 the Opposition say, what is very obvious, this bloke's got 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:20.760 to go. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.400 It's extraordinary, isn't it that somebody just so hopeless, so incompetent, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.600 can be continue to be protected by the Prime Minister. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.080 I assume it's because he's his numbers man. But it's 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.640 now got to the point that not only do Australians 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.719 not feel safe, they are actually not safe. I don't 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.520 know how much longer he can survive, but he can't 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.480 go fast enough for Australian safety. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.240 Now, one of the many reasons why the Prime Minister 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.600 says what he does to generally go fouring giggles of 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.440 the camera bubble, including many of the media sitting up 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.280 the top, is because I've been around the media long 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.080 enough to know how they achieve what they try to 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.520 achieve and also to see what they do when they 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.839 try to avoid issues. What am I talking about, Well, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.760 the amount of people coming into the country is something 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.880 that relentlessly regardless of either side of politics. But certainly 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.640 in the past two years, Australians every pole, every time 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.640 tell us that too many people are coming to Australia, 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:25.640 that they believe the migration rate is too high. But 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.040 the little Canberra bubble within the bubble, that being the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.280 media who patrols the bubble, well they don't want to 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.760 talk about this. They somehow think there's something frankly a 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.480 little bit racist about discussing anything to do with migration, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.600 despite the fact that I've made it very clear that 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.320 it's not about where you come from. It's not about 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.480 the language that the your parents spoke, it's not about 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.240 what you look like. It's not about what you have 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.040 for dinner. It's not about what God you do or 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.920 don't believe in. It's just simply the infrastructure that exists 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.080 today is not good enough for all of the people 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.200 that are already here. So when you turn around and 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.440 tip hundreds of thousands of more people into that system, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.320 then all of those problems get worse because When it 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:09.160 comes to state governments, they build hospitals ten years from 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:14.000 now for today's standard. When it comes to the federal government, 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.560 they build infrastructure for today's need. They don't turn around 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.080 and build four or five lane roads. We'll do another 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.240 two lane road and put a toll on it. But 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.280 of course when you add more and more people, well, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.640 of course that traffic jam gets bigger. But of course 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.959 it's not just the traffic jam, it's hospital ramping. When 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.440 people call trip loo, an ambulance eventually turns up, and 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.679 then in every state in the country, every single state, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.959 and Tasmania, hospital ramping is the worse it's ever been 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.720 because the hospitals aren't good enough. But no, add more people. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.840 That's always been my issue with immigration, equally so on 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.000 the simple rules of supply and demand. If you end 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.360 up putting more people onto the demand side of the 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.720 housing industry, well then more people competing for fewer properties 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.959 means the price goes up lit alone. The same when 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.280 it comes to rental properties, and right now there's an 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.080 awful lot of Australians who cannot get into either of 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.320 those two markets, and the number of people are homeless 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.520 is going through the roof. Now, does that mean that 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.120 you have to blame anyone who looks different than you? No, 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.559 never said it, never infert it. In fact, gone out 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.360 of my way every time to say that that is 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:27.520 not the case. Yet the guardians of the bubble, the 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.760 bubble within the bubble, that is the media, say any 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.280 conversation about this stuff, well, of course it's racist. Perfect 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.000 example of this is nasty Nicky Sava, who of course 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.160 now writes over in the Sidney Morning Herald and constantly 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.559 pops up over there on the ABC, and she is 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.600 already telegraphed that this conversation about migration is not acceptable. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.960 It is a bad conversation to have. It is a 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.640 little bit her inference racist. Why because this is what 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:57.920 she wrote just after sixty forty or No, with the 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.760 bloody success of its campaign to Troy the Voice, it 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.560 is obvious that the Coalition will use the same techniques, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.120 apparatus and expertise to try to smash Anthony Abernezi at 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.160 the next federal election. It goes on to say, from 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.040 the top down, remember that phrase, from the top down, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.400 the government is now convinced that coalition has the means 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.040 and the motivation and has already zeroed in on the 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.600 issue that will that sorry, the issue with the pivot, 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.360 with the potential to create the same chaos and division 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:33.240 as the voice on an even grander scale. Immigration. Now, 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.480 why are we confident the Nicky Savas words there about 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.240 the government from the highest levels down. Well, it's pretty 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.160 well informed because the former Senator Rex Patrick, remember, of course, 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.000 has done everything he can to try to get access 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.880 to the Prime Minister's diary. He was able to get 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.560 access eventually and among the very first people to get 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.359 face to face one on one meetings, not interviews, meetings 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.400 with the Prime Minister, the Sydney Morning Herald columnist Nicky Sava. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.840 So yes, she would be informed directly by the Prime 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.160 Minister in these private meetings, not interviews. Oh, we're really 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.559 worried about dotting an immigration now. Of course, if you 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.319 don't quite know who I'm talking about when it comes 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.200 to Nicky Savage, She's got every possible award in the world. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.720 And again she will opine in her way about how 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.440 evil the Liberal Party is now pulled to the right 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.040 it is, and how Sky News is part of the problem. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.280 But I just should give you a quote from twenty 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.400 ten where Nicki says, as a journalist, I lied often, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.360 usually about my sources, but about other things. Journalists can 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.640 and do get away with lying. Politicians and staff don't, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.400 nor should they, so surprise, surprise. One rule for the 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.440 people policing the bubble, another rule for the people who 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.600 don't please the person policing the bubble. But again, this 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:59.360 issue about immigration, it's so frankly nineteen nineties the left's 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.400 view that any conversation about the size and nature of 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.080 immigration must therefore be racist, when of course, the reality 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.199 of every suburb every person watching this show lives in 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.560 is that it is way more diverse and better for 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:17.280 it since the nineteen nineties. And of course, Laura Tingle, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.880 who no doubt will be being excused from all issues 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.520 whatsoever because again she's one of the great high processes 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.640 of the left, and no doubt a law be an 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.720 evil news corp hit job, blah blah blah blah blah, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.240 despite the fact that of course her calling the country 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.160 racist was covered by the nine newspapers. But you know, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.160 just a news corp thing, right, And of course she 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.920 said this ridiculous thing that apparently when the government cuts immigration, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.600 which allegedly is their policy not racist. When Peter Dutton 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.120 says he's going to cut it further, that is racist. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.640 Rather tape for a major point. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.240 The calling of us be saying, as Nicky says, you 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.920 know everything that's going row in this country is because 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.880 of my groups and you flare should people turning up 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.960 to try to read a property or at an auction 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.000 and they look a bit different? What do you define 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.120 different as? Basically he has given them license. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:19.440 To be abused. Warden, What a coincidence that the person 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.200 sitting next to Laura Tingle while she was putting the 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.960 ship into everyday Australians was almost nasty to kiss. Wow, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.960 what a one two punch of independence. Well, another pole 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:37.320 today proves that the conversation about our immigration levels is 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.320 one Australians want to have. Similar polling has come out 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.680 in the Turmble Times otherwise known as The Guardian. Similar 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.400 polling has come out in news poll the Resolved political 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.320 monitor Morgan. Every time his question gets asked, the same 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.760 response comes back. Where if you follow the red line, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.960 more people believe that immigration is too high than just 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:03.840 about right or too low. O. That's for the entire country. Amazingly, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.600 forty eight percent is the number across the whole country 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.280 in the Act where the bubble lives it is fifty 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.720 two percent. It is a whole four points higher where 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.800 the people in the Act claim that the immigration rate 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.480 is too high. That's higher than the national average. But 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.360 what about the Northern Territory seventy seven percent of people 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.120 Todd the Lowe Institute that immigration is too high. In 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:40.320 Greater Sydney it was fifty one percent, which is worth noting. Canberra, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.280 by the way, has a different view than Melbourne. Melbourne 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.560 has forty six percent of people saying it's too high, 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:50.200 the Act forty eight percent. But you voted yes, didn't you. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.240 Oh we're not wraith Yeth. And for the rest of 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.680 queenslande excluding Southeas Queensland, it's fifty six percent. Now, this 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.000 pole was really good. It broke it down on age factors, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:06.080 on gender, some political lines. But there you go. An 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:12.080 extreme majority of the Act Yes, country thinks that immigration 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.959 is too high. Does this mean that these people are 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.720 all inherently racist? Because didn't the Act vote yes? So 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.639 therefore how could they be racist on him? I don't know. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.359 But then again, apparently this is where the truth comes 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:33.960 to die. The reality is that Australians are immigrants and 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.280 all of us have some connection somewhere, and we're all 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.080 proud of it. And by and large we all get 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.919 along with our neighbors. We say get aid to strangers. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.320 It doesn't matter from where they're from. That we are 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.080 all interested in a great future together. Doesn't mean that 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:53.280 there are not racists amongst us, of course, but none 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.159 of that is approved of. None of that is okay 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:56.800 by those of us who want to have a conversation 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.920 about the demand on public services that come from more 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.200 people being added to the country at an artificial rate 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.679 in order to prop up the federal budget. So in part, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.600 the politicians that the bubble gatekeepers want to keep in 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.719 power get to say vote for us because we've had 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.879 two surpluses. But if the reality for most Australians is 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.920 that their weight for everything got longer or their services 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.160 got harder to access in part because of that, it's 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.280 not racist. It's just the reality of life in Australia 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.480 where more people in the Act than Melbourne think we 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:38.440 should cut the rate. Oh how dare they same? Pol 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.239 from the Lower Institute also points towards nuclear power. Now 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.439 again the Prime Minister is out there telling all and 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.760 sundry and again many of the bubble figures go, oh, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.560 this is disgraceful. It's so expensive. Well, what about the 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.960 trillion dollars of moving from colder renewables. Oh and Australians 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.480 definitely don't want nucular power. Apart from the ones who 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.359 entered this survey. That what the best part of sixty 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.960 one percent of people do you support or opposed Australia 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.920 using nuclear power to generate electricity alongside other sources of energy? 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.400 Twenty seven percent? Hell yeah, thirty four percent. Yeah, okay, 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.080 that's what gets us to six in ten voters. Now, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:18.880 I noticed this popped up somewhere in the Turmble Times 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.160 today and then it got bear it as fast as possible. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.400 The hardcore opposition is just seventeen percent. You can add 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.359 to it another twenty and you get to thirty seven 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.119 percent who say no, vast majority you say yes, a 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.760 couple of percent who don't know. But you know where 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:38.159 the bubble and we know what's right always. Now, something 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.320 that does is worth talking about is something that was 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.920 written about by our mad Paul Kelly. Now we don't 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.919 get the opportunity to interview Paul Kelly from the Australian 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.160 newspaper on the show that much, but lots of other 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.119 programs do we respect this work, And of course we 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:53.440 read so much of what he has to say in 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.879 the oars, particularly on the weekends, because the weekend stuff 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.359 is where he gets to sit back and have a 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.040 look at some bigger issues. And there's something really interesting 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.960 that he wrote about this weekend, far more eloquently that 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:05.600 I would be able to come up with off the 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.720 top of my head. Remember on this show there's no script. 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.600 It's just me looking into the camera. And he says, 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.760 among other things, that the Middle East War has exposed 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.560 the sheer depth of shattered values in Australia. He basically 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:22.600 is starting to talk about the many factors within our 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:27.680 country that are now turning us into the two Australias. Now, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.639 he says, the nation is more divided than ever about 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:35.520 fundamental values, leading to a growing cultural chasm with two 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.359 sure consequences. It is far more difficult to achieve national 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.720 interest policies, and once a society is split on values, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:50.280 then mutual trust quickly evaporates. This is Australia's plight. We 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:55.159 cannot get things done because we disagree fundamentally. Every sign 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.680 is the CITI is that the situation is getting worse. 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.679 The cultural schism is not a straight binary split, but 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:06.160 more a series of intersecting splits. The point is that 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:11.439 the two cultures didn't emerge overnight, yet they can emerge 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.600 quickly over the course of a generation. Every sign is 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:20.280 that is happening right now in Australia. As very clever analysis. Now, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.639 the truth is that we like to make it easy 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.480 to say that people are on this side or that 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.280 side of the argument, if you're team Red or team blue. 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.520 But as I've always argued, the left doesn't own compassion, 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.560 the right can too. Equally, the right doesn't own strength, 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:41.240 the left can. Two. Moral certainty is something that most 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.840 people in the political debate would suggest that they have 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.639 and nobody else has, and whoever disagrees with them is 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.440 somehow not as moral. But the point that he made 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.400 in the article, and I do suggest that you read it, 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.359 is in part, once we start to get to that 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:00.720 place where the people we disagree with to think that 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.919 we are morally superior to those we disagree with. And I, 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.959 as you've seen tonight, disagree with plenty but I do 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.720 not believe that I am morally superior to any of 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.120 the people I disagree with. I assume they all love 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.160 their kids, they all love their family, they're all loved 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.200 by their friends, and I'm sure they're all nice people 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.719 to the people who know them. But how often do 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:24.040 you see attributed from the left to the right when 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.840 it comes to the people they disagree with somehow anything 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.679 that someone who disagrees with them has some sort of 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:34.680 malicious intent. Look at that debate about the Voice, where 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.240 the government of course said it was all misinformation, or 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.920 the twenty nineteen election where they said it was all memes, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:45.320 or the Tampa election. Every time there's a center right 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.040 victory in this country, there's an asterisk next to it, 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.560 according to the left. But every time there's a left 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.159 wing victory like twenty and twenty two or two thousand 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.119 and seven, this is the revolution where we have changed 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.840 and therefore nobody is allowed to disagree. If you disagree, 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:04.080 you part of the past. But when we think about 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:08.960 these two Australias and where they connect, where they don't connect, 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.040 where at times they're in direct opposition, there's lots of 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.520 other examples, and the ones that Paul Kelly had to 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.240 look at and I think that cost of living is 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.520 one of those. There's always been people of certain wealth 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.919 and certain poverty in our country, but it feels that 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.359 the great group in the middle is just being told 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.080