WEBVTT - Why Are They Doing This To Their Bodies? (Part 2) 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.800 Hello, and welcome back to the math Swunny podcast, and 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:07.200 welcome to the second episode now of the Bali investigation 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:13.320 into rib recontouring, which is the fastest growing cosmetic procedure 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.840 in the world right now, which Beck from this year's 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.320 season of Maths, Afena from last year's season of Maths, 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.759 and a group of other influencers including girls from The 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:28.640 Bachelor Below Deck Jordie Shaw, are all here in Indonesia 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.320 right now, staying in this same hotel to undergo and 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:37.880 be essentially the first Australians to get this done because 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.200 as of right now, this surgery isn't even available in Australia. 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.239 And if you haven't listened to yesterday's first podcast in 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.640 this little series, go and do so now because in 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.319 this episode I will be sitting down with Athena and 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.600 Beck to ask them what made you want to do this? 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.360 Do you think things like this set a dangerous example 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.920 to your hundreds of thousands of followers, and also do 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.080 you feel like guinea pigs for this procedure because as 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.440 I just said, it is so new, It's only been 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.119 performed so far I think three thousand times across the world, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:21.240 and it isn't yet available in Australia. But before we 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.039 get to that, though, I do want to take a 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:31.000 minute here to address the backlash. So over the last 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.240 twenty four hours now, the announcement of this little series 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.959 I'm doing on the podcast from my promo with Beck 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.479 arriving here in Bali has had millions of views, thousands 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.560 of comments, and people have a lot to say, which, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.400 to be fair, I expected, But firstly, I just want 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.440 to say, regardless of your personal thoughts on cosmetic surgery, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.680 plastic surgery, all of that, this is the world that 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.520 we now live in. And as I explained it yesterday's podcast, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.480 I don't agree with most things that people get done. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.640 I don't like I'll be honest, but again, who am I? 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.680 Who is anyone to tell others what they can and 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.120 can't do with their bodies? And in this episode, as 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.760 I speak to Athena and Beck and later on some 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.320 of the other girls, you will constantly hear this phrase 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.840 my body, my choice, which they're all saying, and I 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.440 do get it. And then I suppose while being here, 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:35.079 I've also started to question am I a hypocrite with 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.720 all of this? Because for many years now again this 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.440 is me being completely honest, I have sat interviewing many 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.000 celebrities about going under the knife, and I have sat 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.600 there listening and I have silently judged them in their 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.240 own search for what their own perceived perfection, And as 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.000 they've been speaking, I've just thought, none of this is necessary, 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.440 Like you are stunning as you are, Just stop with 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.120 this again. I keep saying it's not necessary because to me, 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.080 most of the things that these girls are doing, it's 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.440 just not necessary. But the issue I kind of realized 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.560 yesterday while meeting a lot of the girls as they 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.000 arrived and kind of having a chat and even speaking 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.440 to some of the surgeons and people involved, I did 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.240 start to realize I am a bit of a hypocrite 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.200 because as I've always judged these people at the back 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.920 of my mind, I've also known that within the next 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:36.600 few years, I will also be getting my own first ever, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.040 probably the only ever cosmetic surgery procedure. And this is 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.440 something I've never dared say out loud. My friends don't 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.040 know about it, let alone, I've never said it publicly. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.280 This is quite dauncing for me. But each year, and 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.480 this might sound silly to some people, but to me, 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.600 this is a big thing. But my hair is getting 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.360 thinner and thinner as each year passes. And like laughing 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.280 because it sounds silly to say, but this is the 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.320 sad reality. And this is something I am personally very 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.280 insecure about, like massively, if I'm being honest, And this 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.000 is something I've already put money aside for in a 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.080 bank account because I know when that day comes, when 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.760 this gradually thinning hair does start to fall out, which 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.760 is going to happen. It runs in my family, That's 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.400 just the truth. I will then be going straight to 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.400 a cosmetic surgery to get a hair transplant with that money. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.560 And for me, you know, the loss of my hair 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.320 will then be followed by the loss of so much confidence. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.400 I already know this, as my hair's getting thinnered. I 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.520 already do feel that lack of confidence, and I know 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.279 that then getting a hair transplant will make me feel 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.640 so much better within myself. But yesterday, again, as I 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.159 was meeting these girls and speaking to them, I started 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.360 to think about this, probably for the first time, and 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.000 I was questioning, what is the difference between me wanting 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.680 to do that and these girls here in BALI doing this. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.719 You know, because a lot of people would say that 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.960 both of those procedures are unnecessary, but there were also 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.640 producers that we both are personally choosing to do for 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.920 our own personal reasons. I can't actually believe I'm talking 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.800 about this. This is like not where I thought this 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.159 little investigation was. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:19.520 Going to go. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.000 But you know, if I'm gonna be here and be 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.000 part of it and talk about it, I only want 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.240 to be honest, not just about what they're doing. But 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.920 I suppose my thoughts and these things within me, I'm 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.159 realizing why being here. And you know, over the last 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.120 ten years, the number of Australians going overseas for surgery, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.120 it has doubled from in twenty and sixteen, it was 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.760 around eight thousand Ozzies a year going to like Turkey 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.040 and Thailand, and they were spending up to one hundred 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.400 and fifty million dollars in total. And then this year's 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.560 predicted that there'll be fifteen thousand Australians, so again that's 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:59.560 almost double going overseas to Turkey, Thailand and now Bali 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.720 and they'll be spending a total of three hundred million dollars. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.080 And then in another ten years that number is expected 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.200 to double again. And most people they choose to go 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.640 overseas for surgery for one main reason it's much cheaper. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.480 Plus you can also turn it into like a little 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.839 holiday too, So like something that ordinarily back home may 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.120 seem big and daunting when you know the clinic you 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.640 may be going is in the in the city you 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.159 visit every day for work, like that feels weird because 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.599 it's part of your routine. But then you've got this finger, well, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.919 I can go overseas to do it and it's cheaper, 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.320 and also I can turn it into a holiday. And 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.920 there's all these like other appeals that are enticing people 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.680 to come overseas. But then then we do have to 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.400 ask does taking the cheaper option actually work out. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:47.800 In the long run. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.600 That's one of the things I am here to keep 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.960 saying the word investigate, like I'm like a detective or something. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.880 That's one of the things I'm here to look at. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.039 And there's no shortage, you know, online of horror stories 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.840 out there from people who have had procedures in Thailand 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.280 and Turkey especially that have gone very wrong and they've 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.960 then had to spend thousands of dollars back in Australia 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.000 to fix what has gone wrong with their bodies, and 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.480 that's something Kayla Jed, who is one of Australia's biggest 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.880 names on social media, has been very vocal about. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.600 So I always died from my first BBL in Turkey, 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.440 and like I can be quite impulsive, so I definitely 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.360 rushed into it without thinking of the complications that the 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.600 surgery may have had. I'm all about doing what makes 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.320 you feel good, but I kind of wish I knew 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.640 what I knew now before I got my bbls. So 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.320 maybe me sharing what happened might make some young person 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.080 think twice about getting it done for research more before 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.640 they make these like life changing decisions. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.760 But now, over the last two years, especially Turkey and 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:49.720 Thailand as slowly getting replaced as the go to destinations 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.040 and Bali is coming out on top for Aussie's and 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.360 tomorrow as Beck Athena and all of the other girls 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:01.360 go to have this new rib recontouring procedure, I've been 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.040 given access all areas to the hospital they will be at, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:08.320 which is called the Solitaire, which is the apparent brand 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.120 new state of the art facility here, which is being 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.600 promoted as one of the best in the world and 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.040 for me again one of the reasons I wanted to 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.800 come here and do this like on ground is because 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.560 I'm curious about that. Is that just a line that's 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.320 been pushed out to get people to come over or 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.440 is that true? Because when I think of overseas hospitals, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.240 especially in countries like Bali, which you know they are 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.760 poor countries, I'm a bit like, I'm not sure i'd 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.480 necessarily trust them to do something like cosmetic surgery. But 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.920 again maybe that's my own bias, so I don't know. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.520 But yeah, that's what I'm very curious to see tomorrow. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.160 And when I am in the hospital, I will be 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.520 recording as I'm now walking around and also as the 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.320 girls like go under and then come out and wake 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:04.520 up from the anesthetic. Second point now that I just 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.880 want to address quickly again, I'll try to rush for 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:07.520 it because. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.040 I want to just get to the interviews is overnight. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.120 I have personally received quite a bit of backlash, which 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.559 I was surprised about, from people slamming me for being 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.080 here and kind of saying things like I'm part of 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.320 the problem. The fact that I'm doing this, I'm contributing 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.120 to the problem of how surgery is being promoted on young, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:32.040 impressional people. And I know that I acknowledge the irony 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.000 in the fact that me here documenting something ultimately is 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.599 giving it more attention. But for me, I am a journalist, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.720 like that is my job. Yes, But also, and I 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.600 think those that listen to every episode I have maybe 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.480 read the book, I just know me personally, they will 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.920 know that at the heart of everything I do, and 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.000 the reason I did agree to come on this trip 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:57.520 is because I just believe in transparency in everything. And 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.440 you know, if I didn't come here on this trip, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.760 it was the happening. Those influencers will still coming. They'll 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.160 still do the rib thing, and they will still spam 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.840 their you know results, the glamorized before and afters, the 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.600 extreme like look at this, look at this change I've 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.000 had onto their instagrams and into the news feeds of 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.720 millions of young Australians who would look at it and 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.920 be like, oh, maybe that's something I should do. But 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.840 then in my mind, at least me coming, I think, well, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.040 I can maybe bring a more balanced perspective to the all. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.800 And you know, anyone out there who is looking at 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.000 those before and afters and then questioning, fuck, is this 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.760 something I need to do? Is this what I should do? 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.160 Do I need to slowly follow this? What is now 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.400 another impossible beauty standard? I want them to then, before 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.120 they make their mind up, hopefully listen to these episodes 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.160 and spend just that little bit longer questioning do I 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.800 really want to do this? What's it actually going to entail? 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.760 And why am I doing this? And then another person 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.839 yesterday who announced in a comment which I'm not sure 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.280 where they did this, that they were unfollowing me because 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.880 of this series. And they also said that they don't 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.520 think my coverage on cosmetic surgery has changed at all 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.040 in any way since that first job I spoke about. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.720 And to that point, I actually feel compelled now to politely, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:22.040 actually not politely, unpolitely disagree with you, because back then, journalists, 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.440 we didn't really have voices and we couldn't have an opinion, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.280 you know, we pushed out content that did glamorized surgeries 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.920 and diets and transformations without a single sentence allowed by us, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.400 the journalists writing those pieces to actually say like, hey, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.720 I don't personally agree with this, because we just had 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.640 to interview the celebrities, write up their quotes as they 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.120 said it and push them out like promoting whatever they've 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.280 just had done and only their words. That was all 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.480 we could push out. We were essentially silent people just 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.800 making those pages happen. Yet with the journalists, but we 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.360 weren't allowed to have an opinion. But now the difference 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:06.120 is traditional media is dying, most magazines are gone, are 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.120 on their way out, and creator led content like this 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:13.439 podcast right now is how things are difference. Like journalists 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.760 like me who do content or podcasts or have big 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:21.319 social followings whatever, we often have bigger audiences and reach 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.959 and ultimately power than a lot of those old school 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.959 traditional media where journalists still can't really give their opinion 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.760 on things. And you know that's why I am here 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.640 saying this roop thing is happening. It's happening around the world. 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.360 It's increasing at a very fast rate. And you know, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.160 my job as a journalist is to report on things 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.680 that are happening around the world like this, but my 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.360 voice as a creator and I've already said, oh, sorry, 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.040 I'm getting a good point and a monkey has just 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:52.960 come past my window. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:55.480 Sorry. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.760 I feel like I've had so much momentum then of 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.000 this thing I was getting to and I was like, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.960 ah shit, a monkey again. The difference now is my 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.400 voice here as a creator. Me as a journalist. Yes, sure, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.840 I'm reporting on things that are happening. That is my job, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.319 but me as a creator, I can now give my opinion. 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.840 I can say my thoughts. I've already said I don't 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.320 agree with this. I think it's maybe just a step 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.160 too far in something that people don't need to do. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.080 And I'm going to give that opinion constantly throughout this 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.880 And as I speak to Athina Beck and the other 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.960 girls like I will be giving them that opinion because 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.960 this is my platform and I can whereas I couldn't 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.600 years ago in the magazine. And you know, as I 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.680 speak to them, they'll also be giving me their opinions. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.000 And you know, what it comes down to is the 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.360 fact that these days we do live in a society 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.040 where essentially every scroll on any social media app tells 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.040 us that, you know, we're all one procedure away from 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.760 becoming the person we're supposed to be. And there's an 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.920 entire billion dollar industry that's built around convincing ordinary people 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.440 like you and I that we have all theseroblems that 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.880 are just waiting to be fixed, which we don't. And 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.400 journalism it's no longer about pretending we are outside of 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.280 the story or we're silent while reporting on the story. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.520 Sometimes we have to become part of the story while 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.960 also sometimes contributing to the very thing we're questioning. Which 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.160 Before I now get to my chats with Athena and Beck, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.280 I'm going to share another personal thing, and this is 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.360 a verse from my song which is one of the 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.600 most important songs of my life. It's called Domino's. It's 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.360 from one of my favorite singers in the UK called Ren. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.920 And this song came out in twenty and sixteen, and 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.680 I'll be honest, I doubt any of you have heard 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.880 of it. It wasn't a big song at all, but 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.920 lyrically Wren's words in this and this verse I'm about 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.960 to play just. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.800 Kind of made me rethink everything. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.400 And this came out at a time when I was 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.640 leaving magazines in the UK, and all these little thoughts 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.120 I'd had in the back of my mind about is 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.880 it right to reduce women to these freeb's which has 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.240 woke about and push out this fake body positivity movement 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.440 like that all came to the surface, which was one 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.400 of the reasons I did quit journalism in the UK 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.080 after hearing this verse a. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:13.960 Rya was the. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.040 Most beautiful girl in this world. She shines like diamonds 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.800 and rubies and pearls. But then as soon as she 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.680 turned thirteen, she forgot just out bright that it was 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.280 that she gleamed, stuck in the material in your world 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.400 of magazines, the glamorized facan photo shot, beauty queens, top 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.400 ten beauty tips, making a feel inadequate for the first 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.400 time in her life. She felt ugly, so well, Rya 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.040 stopped eat until he's weight. She spent a dinner money 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.600 on some makeup for her face. But no matter how 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.120 much she lost or how much she bought, she was 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.320 never good enough, Or so she thought. Rya thought she 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.680 could never be loved. She started cutting her wrist and 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.080 hide and his cars with gloves. At sixteen and anorexic 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.960 beauty queen, she collapses in the puddle of for tearsm 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:55.840 blood because. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.800 She never felt enough. She never felt enough. Your sellers, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.760 though this lie that we must buy you've been touched. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.400 We can never buy your enough, never buy your enough. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.400 For the bitches in the world, come by your sense 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.720 of self love funny how you have surprised when the 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.440 pressions levels rise when you're forced feeding that the quissy's 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.760 train into what prize television shows, the praise the beautiful 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.520 people and talent competition. Just laugh at the. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:21.200 Feeble Anyway, Now we've got this unnecessarily long intro out 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.800 of the way this morning ahead of the big surgery 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.360 day tomorrow here in Bali The first person I welcomed 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.280 into my makeshift podcast studio in my hotel room's little 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.800 cute courtyard where we now know monkeys are around, which 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.520 is fun, was Athena. And I'll be honest, she's someone 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.560 I never thought would be on this trip. Hello, and 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.400 welcome back to the Mathsphony podcast. I'm joined by someone 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:46.040 who's not been on. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:46.720 This for a while. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.640 No, it's been a hot minute. Hello Athena, Hi Josh, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.120 miss me. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.080 Yes, how's life post smarted at first? Like you're a 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.480 year and a half free? Now? 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:55.400 Yeah? 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.080 Free? I feel like we're being dragged back in again. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.800 Yeah. I never expected to see you here in Balley. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.600 No, I actually was surprised to see you here. Are 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:06.640 you joining us? 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.480 I'm not getting the ripped thing, don't. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.960 No, I don't want to snatched ways, not in the slightest. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:13.920 But who am I to judge? 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.399 Well, look, I'm sure there's plenty of things you've done. 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.840 Yeah, we won't go into that. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.240 No, the reason I was surprised to see you here 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.320 is because you know, every year I get to know 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.960 the muscirls, and you are one who never struck me 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.639 as like insecure. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.080 And when we talk about surgery. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.960 And transformations and that, it's often you know people who 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.560 have had insecurities or maybe they've lost a lot of weight, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.760 but you never struck me as that. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.520 I don't necessarily agree that people get surgery from a 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.520 place of insecurity. Like for example, I think a lot 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.679 of people don't realize is I've had my boobs done. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.640 You can't tell because they don't sit up here. I've 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.639 had children, I breastfread, they drop low. But I have 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.160 had breast augmentation, which again I want to point out, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.520 is way more invasive than the surgery I am receiving here. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:02.640 Would you like to see No. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.679 I'm saying that I hold the mic there. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:06.199 Don't you show me. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.840 It'll cost you maybe later, but no. But the reason 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.240 I got that done is because not from a place 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.919 of insecurity. I genuinely liked my boobs beforehand, but I 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.879 wanted to enhance my boobs, like I just wanted to 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.120 have bigger boobs. It wasn't because I was insecure about 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.840 my current boobs. I just wanted bigger boobs. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.879 So to me, that's interesting because I think we naturally 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.040 assume if you're changing something, it's because you dislike the original, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.639 whereas you've just completely changed ut. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.840 For me, like to be fair, originally, when I had 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.359 my boobs done, I was quite upset because it is 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.199 quite a dramatic change from what you used to and 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.320 then I almost felt lost because I was like, my 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.360 little boob's gone. And then I had to change my outfits, 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.439 my clothing choices, like what works when you have a 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.800 smaller chest didn't work when I had a larger chest. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.200 So it was like a huge changeover. But then once 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.440 I got used to it, I love my body now 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.719 as it is. I don't even realize I don't even 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.240 recognize that I've had my boobs. These just feel like mine. 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.080 So there was no long time regret. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.280 There was no long term regret, and I feel like 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.960 with this procedure that I'm getting today, I'm going to 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.200 probably experience the same thing. I have looked into it. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.800 I think that naturally women have always wanted an hourglass frame, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.760 and now I'm able to achieve that without a hugely 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.840 invasive procedure, which is what I'm doing. Like I've looked 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.720 into it. Ultimately, at the end of the surgery, I'm 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.680 going to have a dot point entry here, a dot 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.800 point entry there, and a band aid on either side. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.479 As Athena and I then moved the chat onto the 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:36.080 rib recontooring procedure. It turns out we were both quite 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.720 confused when this first cross that radars. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.320 When I was first being told about, like you know, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.639 rib contouring, I was like, well, there's no way in 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.440 hell I'm going to be removing ribs from my body. Yep, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:52.280 Like I don't want to affect my natural frame here, 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.840 my rib structure where it's protecting vital organs. Like I 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.120 was really worried about all that. But I looked into it. 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.040 It's literally it's rib contouring where they're going to angle 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:06.520 my lower ribs inwards to give me that natural hourglass silhouette, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.600 but no vital organs are being removed. I've looked into 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.560 the downtime from it. I've looked into the problems that 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.119 can occur from it. Again, if you've had breast augmentation, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.320 if you've had a BBL, if you had any of 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.920 these surgeries done, they're way more invasive. If the healing 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:25.200 process is also pretty hard depending on the individual person. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.280 And with a lot of these surgeries, they aren't permanent. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.480 So if you're getting a BBL, especially fat transfer, that's 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:36.280 not a permanent thing, and the dangers surrounding BA. 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.639 The transfers and it goes into arteries or something, and 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:39.800 that's why the death ray is. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:44.560 So there's the percentage ratio for those procedures versus this one. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.200 There's a huge difference. And then I guess with this 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.880 one it's kind of a partnership between you and your surgeon. 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.159 So with most surgeries, you go home, you look after yourself. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.120 Cool great with this one because we're not doing rib removal, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.040 we're not doing anything like that. They're conjuring, they're angering 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.880 your lower ribs in essentially, once that river is there, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.920