Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the math Swunny podcast, and
Speaker 1: welcome to the second episode now of the Bali investigation
Speaker 1: into rib recontouring, which is the fastest growing cosmetic procedure
Speaker 1: in the world right now, which Beck from this year's
Speaker 1: season of Maths, Afena from last year's season of Maths,
Speaker 1: and a group of other influencers including girls from The
Speaker 1: Bachelor Below Deck Jordie Shaw, are all here in Indonesia
Speaker 1: right now, staying in this same hotel to undergo and
Speaker 1: be essentially the first Australians to get this done because
Speaker 1: as of right now, this surgery isn't even available in Australia.
Speaker 1: And if you haven't listened to yesterday's first podcast in
Speaker 1: this little series, go and do so now because in
Speaker 1: this episode I will be sitting down with Athena and
Speaker 1: Beck to ask them what made you want to do this?
Speaker 1: Do you think things like this set a dangerous example
Speaker 1: to your hundreds of thousands of followers, and also do
Speaker 1: you feel like guinea pigs for this procedure because as
Speaker 1: I just said, it is so new, It's only been
Speaker 1: performed so far I think three thousand times across the world,
Speaker 1: and it isn't yet available in Australia. But before we
Speaker 1: get to that, though, I do want to take a
Speaker 1: minute here to address the backlash. So over the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours now, the announcement of this little series
Speaker 1: I'm doing on the podcast from my promo with Beck
Speaker 1: arriving here in Bali has had millions of views, thousands
Speaker 1: of comments, and people have a lot to say, which,
Speaker 1: to be fair, I expected, But firstly, I just want
Speaker 1: to say, regardless of your personal thoughts on cosmetic surgery,
Speaker 1: plastic surgery, all of that, this is the world that
Speaker 1: we now live in. And as I explained it yesterday's podcast,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with most things that people get done.
Speaker 1: I don't like I'll be honest, but again, who am I?
Speaker 1: Who is anyone to tell others what they can and
Speaker 1: can't do with their bodies? And in this episode, as
Speaker 1: I speak to Athena and Beck and later on some
Speaker 1: of the other girls, you will constantly hear this phrase
Speaker 1: my body, my choice, which they're all saying, and I
Speaker 1: do get it. And then I suppose while being here,
Speaker 1: I've also started to question am I a hypocrite with
Speaker 1: all of this? Because for many years now again this
Speaker 1: is me being completely honest, I have sat interviewing many
Speaker 1: celebrities about going under the knife, and I have sat
Speaker 1: there listening and I have silently judged them in their
Speaker 1: own search for what their own perceived perfection, And as
Speaker 1: they've been speaking, I've just thought, none of this is necessary,
Speaker 1: Like you are stunning as you are, Just stop with
Speaker 1: this again. I keep saying it's not necessary because to me,
Speaker 1: most of the things that these girls are doing, it's
Speaker 1: just not necessary. But the issue I kind of realized
Speaker 1: yesterday while meeting a lot of the girls as they
Speaker 1: arrived and kind of having a chat and even speaking
Speaker 1: to some of the surgeons and people involved, I did
Speaker 1: start to realize I am a bit of a hypocrite
Speaker 1: because as I've always judged these people at the back
Speaker 1: of my mind, I've also known that within the next
Speaker 1: few years, I will also be getting my own first ever,
Speaker 1: probably the only ever cosmetic surgery procedure. And this is
Speaker 1: something I've never dared say out loud. My friends don't
Speaker 1: know about it, let alone, I've never said it publicly.
Speaker 1: This is quite dauncing for me. But each year, and
Speaker 1: this might sound silly to some people, but to me,
Speaker 1: this is a big thing. But my hair is getting
Speaker 1: thinner and thinner as each year passes. And like laughing
Speaker 1: because it sounds silly to say, but this is the
Speaker 1: sad reality. And this is something I am personally very
Speaker 1: insecure about, like massively, if I'm being honest, And this
Speaker 1: is something I've already put money aside for in a
Speaker 1: bank account because I know when that day comes, when
Speaker 1: this gradually thinning hair does start to fall out, which
Speaker 1: is going to happen. It runs in my family, That's
Speaker 1: just the truth. I will then be going straight to
Speaker 1: a cosmetic surgery to get a hair transplant with that money.
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, the loss of my hair
Speaker 1: will then be followed by the loss of so much confidence.
Speaker 1: I already know this, as my hair's getting thinnered. I
Speaker 1: already do feel that lack of confidence, and I know
Speaker 1: that then getting a hair transplant will make me feel
Speaker 1: so much better within myself. But yesterday, again, as I
Speaker 1: was meeting these girls and speaking to them, I started
Speaker 1: to think about this, probably for the first time, and
Speaker 1: I was questioning, what is the difference between me wanting
Speaker 1: to do that and these girls here in BALI doing this.
Speaker 1: You know, because a lot of people would say that
Speaker 1: both of those procedures are unnecessary, but there were also
Speaker 1: producers that we both are personally choosing to do for
Speaker 1: our own personal reasons. I can't actually believe I'm talking
Speaker 1: about this. This is like not where I thought this
Speaker 1: little investigation was.
Speaker 2: Going to go.
Speaker 1: But you know, if I'm gonna be here and be
Speaker 1: part of it and talk about it, I only want
Speaker 1: to be honest, not just about what they're doing. But
Speaker 1: I suppose my thoughts and these things within me, I'm
Speaker 1: realizing why being here. And you know, over the last
Speaker 1: ten years, the number of Australians going overseas for surgery,
Speaker 1: it has doubled from in twenty and sixteen, it was
Speaker 1: around eight thousand Ozzies a year going to like Turkey
Speaker 1: and Thailand, and they were spending up to one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars in total. And then this year's
Speaker 1: predicted that there'll be fifteen thousand Australians, so again that's
Speaker 1: almost double going overseas to Turkey, Thailand and now Bali
Speaker 1: and they'll be spending a total of three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: And then in another ten years that number is expected
Speaker 1: to double again. And most people they choose to go
Speaker 1: overseas for surgery for one main reason it's much cheaper.
Speaker 1: Plus you can also turn it into like a little
Speaker 1: holiday too, So like something that ordinarily back home may
Speaker 1: seem big and daunting when you know the clinic you
Speaker 1: may be going is in the in the city you
Speaker 1: visit every day for work, like that feels weird because
Speaker 1: it's part of your routine. But then you've got this finger, well,
Speaker 1: I can go overseas to do it and it's cheaper,
Speaker 1: and also I can turn it into a holiday. And
Speaker 1: there's all these like other appeals that are enticing people
Speaker 1: to come overseas. But then then we do have to
Speaker 1: ask does taking the cheaper option actually work out.
Speaker 2: In the long run.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I am here to keep
Speaker 1: saying the word investigate, like I'm like a detective or something.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I'm here to look at.
Speaker 1: And there's no shortage, you know, online of horror stories
Speaker 1: out there from people who have had procedures in Thailand
Speaker 1: and Turkey especially that have gone very wrong and they've
Speaker 1: then had to spend thousands of dollars back in Australia
Speaker 1: to fix what has gone wrong with their bodies, and
Speaker 1: that's something Kayla Jed, who is one of Australia's biggest
Speaker 1: names on social media, has been very vocal about.
Speaker 3: So I always died from my first BBL in Turkey,
Speaker 3: and like I can be quite impulsive, so I definitely
Speaker 3: rushed into it without thinking of the complications that the
Speaker 3: surgery may have had. I'm all about doing what makes
Speaker 3: you feel good, but I kind of wish I knew
Speaker 3: what I knew now before I got my bbls. So
Speaker 3: maybe me sharing what happened might make some young person
Speaker 3: think twice about getting it done for research more before
Speaker 3: they make these like life changing decisions.
Speaker 1: But now, over the last two years, especially Turkey and
Speaker 1: Thailand as slowly getting replaced as the go to destinations
Speaker 1: and Bali is coming out on top for Aussie's and
Speaker 1: tomorrow as Beck Athena and all of the other girls
Speaker 1: go to have this new rib recontouring procedure, I've been
Speaker 1: given access all areas to the hospital they will be at,
Speaker 1: which is called the Solitaire, which is the apparent brand
Speaker 1: new state of the art facility here, which is being
Speaker 1: promoted as one of the best in the world and
Speaker 1: for me again one of the reasons I wanted to
Speaker 1: come here and do this like on ground is because
Speaker 1: I'm curious about that. Is that just a line that's
Speaker 1: been pushed out to get people to come over or
Speaker 1: is that true? Because when I think of overseas hospitals,
Speaker 1: especially in countries like Bali, which you know they are
Speaker 1: poor countries, I'm a bit like, I'm not sure i'd
Speaker 1: necessarily trust them to do something like cosmetic surgery. But
Speaker 1: again maybe that's my own bias, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I'm very curious to see tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And when I am in the hospital, I will be
Speaker 1: recording as I'm now walking around and also as the
Speaker 1: girls like go under and then come out and wake
Speaker 1: up from the anesthetic. Second point now that I just
Speaker 1: want to address quickly again, I'll try to rush for
Speaker 1: it because.
Speaker 2: I want to just get to the interviews is overnight.
Speaker 1: I have personally received quite a bit of backlash, which
Speaker 1: I was surprised about, from people slamming me for being
Speaker 1: here and kind of saying things like I'm part of
Speaker 1: the problem. The fact that I'm doing this, I'm contributing
Speaker 1: to the problem of how surgery is being promoted on young,
Speaker 1: impressional people. And I know that I acknowledge the irony
Speaker 1: in the fact that me here documenting something ultimately is
Speaker 1: giving it more attention. But for me, I am a journalist,
Speaker 1: like that is my job. Yes, But also, and I
Speaker 1: think those that listen to every episode I have maybe
Speaker 1: read the book, I just know me personally, they will
Speaker 1: know that at the heart of everything I do, and
Speaker 1: the reason I did agree to come on this trip
Speaker 1: is because I just believe in transparency in everything. And
Speaker 1: you know, if I didn't come here on this trip,
Speaker 1: it was the happening. Those influencers will still coming. They'll
Speaker 1: still do the rib thing, and they will still spam
Speaker 1: their you know results, the glamorized before and afters, the
Speaker 1: extreme like look at this, look at this change I've
Speaker 1: had onto their instagrams and into the news feeds of
Speaker 1: millions of young Australians who would look at it and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, maybe that's something I should do. But
Speaker 1: then in my mind, at least me coming, I think, well,
Speaker 1: I can maybe bring a more balanced perspective to the all.
Speaker 1: And you know, anyone out there who is looking at
Speaker 1: those before and afters and then questioning, fuck, is this
Speaker 1: something I need to do? Is this what I should do?
Speaker 1: Do I need to slowly follow this? What is now
Speaker 1: another impossible beauty standard? I want them to then, before
Speaker 1: they make their mind up, hopefully listen to these episodes
Speaker 1: and spend just that little bit longer questioning do I
Speaker 1: really want to do this? What's it actually going to entail?
Speaker 1: And why am I doing this? And then another person
Speaker 1: yesterday who announced in a comment which I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where they did this, that they were unfollowing me because
Speaker 1: of this series. And they also said that they don't
Speaker 1: think my coverage on cosmetic surgery has changed at all
Speaker 1: in any way since that first job I spoke about.
Speaker 1: And to that point, I actually feel compelled now to politely,
Speaker 1: actually not politely, unpolitely disagree with you, because back then, journalists,
Speaker 1: we didn't really have voices and we couldn't have an opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, we pushed out content that did glamorized surgeries
Speaker 1: and diets and transformations without a single sentence allowed by us,
Speaker 1: the journalists writing those pieces to actually say like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't personally agree with this, because we just had
Speaker 1: to interview the celebrities, write up their quotes as they
Speaker 1: said it and push them out like promoting whatever they've
Speaker 1: just had done and only their words. That was all
Speaker 1: we could push out. We were essentially silent people just
Speaker 1: making those pages happen. Yet with the journalists, but we
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have an opinion. But now the difference
Speaker 1: is traditional media is dying, most magazines are gone, are
Speaker 1: on their way out, and creator led content like this
Speaker 1: podcast right now is how things are difference. Like journalists
Speaker 1: like me who do content or podcasts or have big
Speaker 1: social followings whatever, we often have bigger audiences and reach
Speaker 1: and ultimately power than a lot of those old school
Speaker 1: traditional media where journalists still can't really give their opinion
Speaker 1: on things. And you know that's why I am here
Speaker 1: saying this roop thing is happening. It's happening around the world.
Speaker 1: It's increasing at a very fast rate. And you know,
Speaker 1: my job as a journalist is to report on things
Speaker 1: that are happening around the world like this, but my
Speaker 1: voice as a creator and I've already said, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a good point and a monkey has just
Speaker 1: come past my window.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've had so much momentum then of
Speaker 1: this thing I was getting to and I was like,
Speaker 1: ah shit, a monkey again. The difference now is my
Speaker 1: voice here as a creator. Me as a journalist. Yes, sure,
Speaker 1: I'm reporting on things that are happening. That is my job,
Speaker 1: but me as a creator, I can now give my opinion.
Speaker 1: I can say my thoughts. I've already said I don't
Speaker 1: agree with this. I think it's maybe just a step
Speaker 1: too far in something that people don't need to do.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to give that opinion constantly throughout this
Speaker 1: And as I speak to Athina Beck and the other
Speaker 1: girls like I will be giving them that opinion because
Speaker 1: this is my platform and I can whereas I couldn't
Speaker 1: years ago in the magazine. And you know, as I
Speaker 1: speak to them, they'll also be giving me their opinions.
Speaker 1: And you know, what it comes down to is the
Speaker 1: fact that these days we do live in a society
Speaker 1: where essentially every scroll on any social media app tells
Speaker 1: us that, you know, we're all one procedure away from
Speaker 1: becoming the person we're supposed to be. And there's an
Speaker 1: entire billion dollar industry that's built around convincing ordinary people
Speaker 1: like you and I that we have all theseroblems that
Speaker 1: are just waiting to be fixed, which we don't. And
Speaker 1: journalism it's no longer about pretending we are outside of
Speaker 1: the story or we're silent while reporting on the story.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we have to become part of the story while
Speaker 1: also sometimes contributing to the very thing we're questioning. Which
Speaker 1: Before I now get to my chats with Athena and Beck,
Speaker 1: I'm going to share another personal thing, and this is
Speaker 1: a verse from my song which is one of the
Speaker 1: most important songs of my life. It's called Domino's. It's
Speaker 1: from one of my favorite singers in the UK called Ren.
Speaker 1: And this song came out in twenty and sixteen, and
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I doubt any of you have heard
Speaker 1: of it. It wasn't a big song at all, but
Speaker 1: lyrically Wren's words in this and this verse I'm about
Speaker 1: to play just.
Speaker 2: Kind of made me rethink everything.
Speaker 1: And this came out at a time when I was
Speaker 1: leaving magazines in the UK, and all these little thoughts
Speaker 1: I'd had in the back of my mind about is
Speaker 1: it right to reduce women to these freeb's which has
Speaker 1: woke about and push out this fake body positivity movement
Speaker 1: like that all came to the surface, which was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I did quit journalism in the UK
Speaker 1: after hearing this verse a.
Speaker 4: Rya was the.
Speaker 5: Most beautiful girl in this world. She shines like diamonds
Speaker 5: and rubies and pearls. But then as soon as she
Speaker 5: turned thirteen, she forgot just out bright that it was
Speaker 5: that she gleamed, stuck in the material in your world
Speaker 5: of magazines, the glamorized facan photo shot, beauty queens, top
Speaker 5: ten beauty tips, making a feel inadequate for the first
Speaker 5: time in her life. She felt ugly, so well, Rya
Speaker 5: stopped eat until he's weight. She spent a dinner money
Speaker 5: on some makeup for her face. But no matter how
Speaker 5: much she lost or how much she bought, she was
Speaker 5: never good enough, Or so she thought. Rya thought she
Speaker 5: could never be loved. She started cutting her wrist and
Speaker 5: hide and his cars with gloves. At sixteen and anorexic
Speaker 5: beauty queen, she collapses in the puddle of for tearsm
Speaker 5: blood because.
Speaker 4: She never felt enough. She never felt enough. Your sellers,
Speaker 4: though this lie that we must buy you've been touched.
Speaker 4: We can never buy your enough, never buy your enough.
Speaker 4: For the bitches in the world, come by your sense
Speaker 4: of self love funny how you have surprised when the
Speaker 4: pressions levels rise when you're forced feeding that the quissy's
Speaker 4: train into what prize television shows, the praise the beautiful
Speaker 4: people and talent competition. Just laugh at the.
Speaker 1: Feeble Anyway, Now we've got this unnecessarily long intro out
Speaker 1: of the way this morning ahead of the big surgery
Speaker 1: day tomorrow here in Bali The first person I welcomed
Speaker 1: into my makeshift podcast studio in my hotel room's little
Speaker 1: cute courtyard where we now know monkeys are around, which
Speaker 1: is fun, was Athena. And I'll be honest, she's someone
Speaker 1: I never thought would be on this trip. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Mathsphony podcast. I'm joined by someone
Speaker 1: who's not been on.
Speaker 2: This for a while.
Speaker 6: No, it's been a hot minute. Hello Athena, Hi Josh,
Speaker 6: miss me.
Speaker 2: Yes, how's life post smarted at first? Like you're a
Speaker 2: year and a half free? Now?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Free? I feel like we're being dragged back in again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never expected to see you here in Balley.
Speaker 6: No, I actually was surprised to see you here. Are
Speaker 6: you joining us?
Speaker 2: I'm not getting the ripped thing, don't.
Speaker 6: No, I don't want to snatched ways, not in the slightest.
Speaker 2: But who am I to judge?
Speaker 6: Well, look, I'm sure there's plenty of things you've done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we won't go into that.
Speaker 1: No, the reason I was surprised to see you here
Speaker 1: is because you know, every year I get to know
Speaker 1: the muscirls, and you are one who never struck me
Speaker 1: as like insecure.
Speaker 2: And when we talk about surgery.
Speaker 1: And transformations and that, it's often you know people who
Speaker 1: have had insecurities or maybe they've lost a lot of weight,
Speaker 1: but you never struck me as that.
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily agree that people get surgery from a
Speaker 6: place of insecurity. Like for example, I think a lot
Speaker 6: of people don't realize is I've had my boobs done.
Speaker 6: You can't tell because they don't sit up here. I've
Speaker 6: had children, I breastfread, they drop low. But I have
Speaker 6: had breast augmentation, which again I want to point out,
Speaker 6: is way more invasive than the surgery I am receiving here.
Speaker 6: Would you like to see No.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I hold the mic there.
Speaker 2: Don't you show me.
Speaker 6: It'll cost you maybe later, but no. But the reason
Speaker 6: I got that done is because not from a place
Speaker 6: of insecurity. I genuinely liked my boobs beforehand, but I
Speaker 6: wanted to enhance my boobs, like I just wanted to
Speaker 6: have bigger boobs. It wasn't because I was insecure about
Speaker 6: my current boobs. I just wanted bigger boobs.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's interesting because I think we naturally
Speaker 1: assume if you're changing something, it's because you dislike the original,
Speaker 1: whereas you've just completely changed ut.
Speaker 6: For me, like to be fair, originally, when I had
Speaker 6: my boobs done, I was quite upset because it is
Speaker 6: quite a dramatic change from what you used to and
Speaker 6: then I almost felt lost because I was like, my
Speaker 6: little boob's gone. And then I had to change my outfits,
Speaker 6: my clothing choices, like what works when you have a
Speaker 6: smaller chest didn't work when I had a larger chest.
Speaker 6: So it was like a huge changeover. But then once
Speaker 6: I got used to it, I love my body now
Speaker 6: as it is. I don't even realize I don't even
Speaker 6: recognize that I've had my boobs. These just feel like mine.
Speaker 2: So there was no long time regret.
Speaker 6: There was no long term regret, and I feel like
Speaker 6: with this procedure that I'm getting today, I'm going to
Speaker 6: probably experience the same thing. I have looked into it.
Speaker 6: I think that naturally women have always wanted an hourglass frame,
Speaker 6: and now I'm able to achieve that without a hugely
Speaker 6: invasive procedure, which is what I'm doing. Like I've looked
Speaker 6: into it. Ultimately, at the end of the surgery, I'm
Speaker 6: going to have a dot point entry here, a dot
Speaker 6: point entry there, and a band aid on either side.
Speaker 1: As Athena and I then moved the chat onto the
Speaker 1: rib recontooring procedure. It turns out we were both quite
Speaker 1: confused when this first cross that radars.
Speaker 6: When I was first being told about, like you know,
Speaker 6: rib contouring, I was like, well, there's no way in
Speaker 6: hell I'm going to be removing ribs from my body. Yep,
Speaker 6: Like I don't want to affect my natural frame here,
Speaker 6: my rib structure where it's protecting vital organs. Like I
Speaker 6: was really worried about all that. But I looked into it.
Speaker 6: It's literally it's rib contouring where they're going to angle
Speaker 6: my lower ribs inwards to give me that natural hourglass silhouette,
Speaker 6: but no vital organs are being removed. I've looked into
Speaker 6: the downtime from it. I've looked into the problems that
Speaker 6: can occur from it. Again, if you've had breast augmentation,
Speaker 6: if you've had a BBL, if you had any of
Speaker 6: these surgeries done, they're way more invasive. If the healing
Speaker 6: process is also pretty hard depending on the individual person.
Speaker 6: And with a lot of these surgeries, they aren't permanent.
Speaker 6: So if you're getting a BBL, especially fat transfer, that's
Speaker 6: not a permanent thing, and the dangers surrounding BA.
Speaker 1: The transfers and it goes into arteries or something, and
Speaker 1: that's why the death ray is.
Speaker 6: So there's the percentage ratio for those procedures versus this one.
Speaker 6: There's a huge difference. And then I guess with this
Speaker 6: one it's kind of a partnership between you and your surgeon.
Speaker 6: So with most surgeries, you go home, you look after yourself.
Speaker 6: Cool great with this one because we're not doing rib removal,
Speaker 6: we're not doing anything like that. They're conjuring, they're angering
Speaker 6: your lower ribs in essentially, once that river is there,
Speaker 6: it's your job to wear your aftercare corset to make
Speaker 6: sure that you maintain that new structure. Otherwise it can
Speaker 6: heal and go back out like it's not so.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like almost when people have braces on
Speaker 2: the teeth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're putting braces on our body. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you remember over there, it was this huge trend
Speaker 6: years ago. Like I was also a part of that
Speaker 6: trend where everyone was wearing waist trainers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like under your dresses and stuff under our dresses.
Speaker 6: To the gym, we were wearing these extremely tight, invasive
Speaker 6: waste trainers. If we could bring ourselves in within hourglass.
Speaker 6: We're essentially doing that here, but the corset will be
Speaker 6: way more confier because our frame will already be set.
Speaker 6: We're not trying to force something that's not already happened.
Speaker 6: It's already happened. Now, we're just making sure it holds.
Speaker 1: One thing I was then keen to ask Afina about
Speaker 1: was the potential responsibility that she feels about how her
Speaker 1: doing this could influence her four hundred thousand total followers
Speaker 1: across Instagram and TikTok. That's almost half a million people
Speaker 1: to essentially see her results and then copy her by
Speaker 1: coming to Bali to do the same surgery.
Speaker 6: I will say one thing I do, I'm a firm
Speaker 6: believer that Ultimately, everyone has authority of their own body.
Speaker 6: Like I'm very big on my body, my choice.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 6: I don't think that I'm a blueprint for anyone else,
Speaker 6: Like I don't want anyone to take my journey that
Speaker 6: i'm sharing online as a blueprint from them. This is
Speaker 6: my journey which I'm sharing through snatched waste because I
Speaker 6: want to be transparent online. You see these influences online
Speaker 6: and they've got these amazing bodies. Maybe they've edited it.
Speaker 6: I think they've edited it, not I'm kidding, but they've
Speaker 6: got these really beautiful bodies. Maybe they've edited. Maybe they've
Speaker 6: had surgery, and they're not disclosing that to their audience.
Speaker 6: So people are trying to achieve something they see online
Speaker 6: that is so out of reach for them, and it's
Speaker 6: really bad I think for people's mental states. I want
Speaker 6: people to know that when they see me in twelve
Speaker 6: weeks time, and I have got an hourglass because I
Speaker 6: won't be doing the surgery, can do a five to
Speaker 6: seventeen centimeter. I'm aiming to do a five centimean one,
Speaker 6: so it'll give me that natural hourglass that I don't
Speaker 6: already have. But I don't want people to see me
Speaker 6: in a gym pick and think, how did a peena
Speaker 6: get that? Did she remove ribs? Has she done this?
Speaker 6: I want people to know exactly how I've achieved.
Speaker 1: That, right, I think the transparency is key. But then
Speaker 1: I suppose the overside is even when people are aware
Speaker 1: and like, oh, you guys are going to say how
Speaker 1: you did this? But then wheneveryone keeps seeing this new
Speaker 1: more and more people with that similar waste, it almost
Speaker 1: sets this new beauty standard, and like, that's not I
Speaker 1: don't think it's.
Speaker 6: A new beauty standard though. I think an hourglass has always.
Speaker 2: Been a new way to achieve it.
Speaker 6: Absolutely a new way to achieve it. But again, we've
Speaker 6: already had things like breas augmentation, which if you were
Speaker 6: to get your breast augmentation, it gives you that silhouette
Speaker 6: bbls whether or not you've got a fat transfer or
Speaker 6: you've got a silicon pouch put in. Again, these surgeries
Speaker 6: are way more invasive, the downtime is way it's way
Speaker 6: more extensive, and their complications can be higher. This one
Speaker 6: is minimally invasive technique to give you that same siluette.
Speaker 6: I'm not encouraging everyone to get it, But I am
Speaker 6: saying that if this is something you want to look into,
Speaker 6: it's your body, your choice. We are all doing different
Speaker 6: things that make us feel good about ourselves. I'm really
Speaker 6: happy with myself, but would I like an hourglass? Like?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to be honest Athena and I then
Speaker 1: did skew slightly off topic while discussing a rumor that
Speaker 1: I think half the world over a certain age knows,
Speaker 1: but no one has ever been able to confirm this is.
Speaker 6: Safer than getting your ribs removed, Like that's an extreme surgery.
Speaker 1: To me, that that's anyone that's that's ridiculous, It's crazy
Speaker 1: to me. Did you hear the rumor back in the
Speaker 1: day of Marilyn Munson.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's when I first got offered this trip that
Speaker 8: I think I just did an act of Yes, the
Speaker 8: rumor is no one still knows if this tree Marilyn
Speaker 8: Munson had ribs removed, so that can suck.
Speaker 2: He's on penis.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I think only millennials will know about it.
Speaker 1: Everyone, like, let's be come of Are you aware of
Speaker 1: that rumor? See the millennial early twenties?
Speaker 6: Yet yeah, his gen z so every millennial knows why.
Speaker 6: Marilyn guys, I will gladly say that I am not
Speaker 6: getting ribs contoured, so I can myself.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: But when I first kind of was offered this trip,
Speaker 1: but I was I was confused at the start because
Speaker 1: I thought it was removal and then I was like,
Speaker 1: people do that to suck himself off. Once we got
Speaker 1: the little interview back on track, Athena then shared what
Speaker 1: was her deciding factor for her agreeing to do any
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 6: Another big thing was I want more children. So I
Speaker 6: was very firm on like, is this going to affect,
Speaker 6: you know, me getting pregnant in the future. What No,
Speaker 6: there's no complications on that end. I can still have children.
Speaker 6: The only thing is with pregnancy. With anyone who's had
Speaker 6: children before, you will know that in your pregnancy your
Speaker 6: roobs will kind of flare out.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: So a lot of people's roobs will go back in.
Speaker 6: You won't have an issue. But if you are someone
Speaker 6: who goes through pregnancy and you have that flare out,
Speaker 6: maybe if you've had this procedure done, it might flare
Speaker 6: back out to your natural frame. Because in pregnancy anything
Speaker 6: can happen. Yeah, you know again, I'm not the blueprint
Speaker 6: for everyone else's body. I yeah, so.
Speaker 1: That's like, no one can predict that, no one you're pregnancy,
Speaker 1: no one knows how anybody will react.
Speaker 6: But that's the same as if you were to get
Speaker 6: a BBL fat transfer. You lose that weight like anything,
Speaker 6: it's gone.
Speaker 1: The thing that surprised me most from this chat with
Speaker 1: Athena was just how content she is and how her
Speaker 1: choice to be here. It just doesn't come from a
Speaker 1: place of insecurity, which I'll be honest, I suppose I
Speaker 1: and a lot of people would naturally assume because when
Speaker 1: we hear of people changing anything on their body, I
Speaker 1: think the default is to think they're doing that because
Speaker 1: they're insecure about it, and they want to fix it
Speaker 1: because they are insecured. And then, as we continue to speak,
Speaker 1: and I was really thinking about this, I then shared
Speaker 1: with Athena my little revelation from earlier today and earlier
Speaker 1: in this podcast. What I've realized and pulling together this
Speaker 1: series is my own like hypocrisy in terms of surgery,
Speaker 1: because you know, I've been doing this for ten years
Speaker 1: back in the UK, the Jody Showgirls especially, you know
Speaker 1: Katie Price's on like a fifth face lift, she's had
Speaker 1: twelve boob jobs like something like that, and like I
Speaker 1: documented it all and I always judge them in my head, finging,
Speaker 1: this is so pointless, like you beautiful as you are, Like,
Speaker 1: but who am I?
Speaker 2: You know, it's their their choice.
Speaker 1: But then I've realized I have money aside for a
Speaker 1: hair transplant.
Speaker 2: The day I need it, I was like, I will
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: So I feel more confident in myself because the day
Speaker 1: I lose hair, which will happen, like it's in my family,
Speaker 1: gradually it's getting thinner.
Speaker 2: I still have a full head.
Speaker 6: I will say, with a hair transplant, that is not
Speaker 6: a quick and easy.
Speaker 1: Thing, and like the process, to me, that's not necessary.
Speaker 1: So then me saying to you, because I don't think
Speaker 1: this is necessary, what you do?
Speaker 6: I feel like again, everyone's anatomy is their own choice.
Speaker 6: So like whether or not you're on your twelveth roob
Speaker 6: job or not, you know, probably don't. Twelve has a
Speaker 6: bit extensive, but you're on your twelve froob job, Like
Speaker 6: that's your choice. Is your body? We women have always
Speaker 6: rallied behind my body, my choice. I feel like as women,
Speaker 6: you've got nations over in the us, especially where they've
Speaker 6: taken away the right for abortion, and you've got rallies
Speaker 6: where you're saying my body, my choice, but then you've
Speaker 6: got those same women rallying against women who are getting
Speaker 6: cosmetic procedures, going why are you doing this to your body?
Speaker 6: It's like you can't say my body, my choice and
Speaker 6: then take away my choice and my voice for my body.
Speaker 6: So again, I'm not the blueprint for anyone else if
Speaker 6: this is I'm just on here sharing my journey because
Speaker 6: I do have this huge platform and I want to
Speaker 6: be very transparent with my audience how I achieve this result,
Speaker 6: and I just yeah, I just want to give everyone
Speaker 6: the information and then they can make the choice with
Speaker 6: their own bodies. If this is something they've looked into, well,
Speaker 6: I'm sharing my journey.
Speaker 1: As Athena then left my little studio to enjoy her
Speaker 1: last few hours of being a person with the ribs
Speaker 1: how they were when they were born.
Speaker 2: I'm not in a corset for the next one. I
Speaker 2: think four weeks.
Speaker 1: Back then popped in for her pre surgery chart, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. Firstly, I was shocked at
Speaker 1: just how polar opposites her and afena Are when they
Speaker 1: were both like giving me the reasons why they were
Speaker 1: here in BALI doing this. But not just that, but
Speaker 1: I was also surprised that the emotional things that Beck
Speaker 1: opened up about before them revealing that this rip thing
Speaker 1: isn't the only surgery that she's planning on getting done.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more on her list that she wants
Speaker 1: doing over the next few months. And as she listed
Speaker 1: all these things, I as someone like, we're not really
Speaker 1: even friends in all honesty. I've met Beck I think
Speaker 1: five times in total now, and essentially you guys listen
Speaker 1: have all been there for those five times because they've
Speaker 1: always been recorded. But Yeah, as Beck was detailing all
Speaker 1: these things, I felt like personally compelled to almost step
Speaker 1: and and be like, Beck, you don't have to do this,
Speaker 1: like stop speaking down on yourself so much, mate, No.
Speaker 7: Almost look like me obviously see this looth over.
Speaker 2: Here, but I put yourself down with someone give me
Speaker 2: free teeth.
Speaker 7: No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: But like when we spoke about me doing this and
Speaker 1: I was asking your reasons, obviously.
Speaker 2: You have lost a lot of way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in recent years, and every time I've met you
Speaker 1: this year, there's always been a moment where you've looked
Speaker 1: at yourself in the mirror, where you've looked at what
Speaker 1: you were in and you've complained about your skin, or
Speaker 1: you've tried to hide something, or even this morning at
Speaker 1: breakfast the group of us, the first thing you did
Speaker 1: was like, how you're hiding your belly? Yeah, And I said,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that.
Speaker 7: Because I know I'm thin, right, i know I'm little,
Speaker 7: but I do you. I'm where I've invited you in
Speaker 7: to actually film the most vulnerable parts of me, which
Speaker 7: is what's underneath my clothes. I know I can put
Speaker 7: an outfit together and look schmick, but what's underneath my
Speaker 7: clothes is my insecurity.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this podcast has gone on a lot longer than
Speaker 1: I've thought, so Part three will be out tomorrow that
Speaker 1: I'll be Beck's full chat and then me and Beck
Speaker 1: arriving at the hospital together as Yeah, it's surgery day,
Speaker 1: say Yer.