Speaker 1: Carrying body is very very heavy. When you find somewhere
Speaker 1: you want to dump a body, you don't dump it
Speaker 1: ago he I've never been there before. They don't. They
Speaker 1: go to places they know best, but they believe no
Speaker 1: one knows where they are.
Speaker 2: I'm Ashley Hanson. This is episode three of Deershell, a
Speaker 2: podcast by True Crime Australia. Mick Ashwood spent the best
Speaker 2: part of three decades hunting criminals. He's taking us into
Speaker 2: the mindset of a killer and what he's learned about
Speaker 2: how they cover their tracks.
Speaker 1: They go through a change, they become depressed and scared
Speaker 1: of being identified. So where they place the body, there's
Speaker 1: so much into that. So if you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do when you feel some first time, you don't
Speaker 1: know where to dump the body, you don't know how
Speaker 1: to protect yourself. What you want to do is place
Speaker 1: yourself as far asway from the victim as you can.
Speaker 1: Put them in a spot that's a long way from
Speaker 1: where anyone saw you. And these are subconscious drives in
Speaker 1: people's heads. They don't care about the VIATO. You've got
Speaker 1: a factor that in is this person a criminal psychopath?
Speaker 1: Because they have no empathy, They feel sorry for themselves.
Speaker 1: If they get caught let's see it. They then modify
Speaker 1: their behavior so they don't get caught next time, or
Speaker 1: if it was close call, they move the bodies someone
Speaker 1: like over mylac. Bodies tend to get closer to where
Speaker 1: the person lives as they get more confident with time.
Speaker 1: On this case stood, I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: done on their own, but because of the failing at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the investigation, that may never be known.
Speaker 3: This is someone's life who got ripped away from them,
Speaker 3: who got completely ripped off. And she was so special,
Speaker 3: and she would have done so many beautiful things and
Speaker 3: she did, and she was so special to so many people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just want everyone to know that she was one
Speaker 3: of the good ones. She didn't deserve it. She was
Speaker 3: in the prime of her life, she was having fun,
Speaker 3: She really cared about the people around her.
Speaker 4: We just all got ripped off, and her especially.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether she knew what was happening to
Speaker 3: her or what was going to happen. I don't know
Speaker 3: how long she suffered for. I don't know how scared
Speaker 3: she was. I'm never going to know that. That's haunting.
Speaker 2: This is the untold story of Rochelle Child's, a twenty
Speaker 2: three year old who was brutally murdered. Her killer has
Speaker 2: never been caught. To understand the motivation and mind of
Speaker 2: Rochelle's killer, detectives need to collect and examine all the
Speaker 2: available evidence. Let's recap. There's a nine hour gap in
Speaker 2: Rochelle's movements that's troubling detectives. Her last confirmed sighting was
Speaker 2: leaving Camden Holden on Thursday, the seventh of June just
Speaker 2: after five pm. Nine hours later, her burning body was
Speaker 2: found one hundred kilometers away at seven Mile Beach in
Speaker 2: the early hours of Friday morning. The location is linked
Speaker 2: to another woman's unsolved murder, fueling suspicion a serial killer
Speaker 2: is targeting women. Police say they found no evidence of
Speaker 2: a struggle or forced entry at Rochelle's home in Bargo. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: her abandoned car turns up at the Bargo hotel, leaving
Speaker 2: her family and investigators wondering who she was meeting and why.
Speaker 2: Let's return to seven Mile Beach. Every time I go
Speaker 2: back there, I learned something new this trip. I'm heading
Speaker 2: there with cold case expert retired New South Wales detective
Speaker 2: Sergeant Damien Lund. He's been pouring over the brief of
Speaker 2: evidence for months and I'm looking forward to his insights.
Speaker 2: What does it feel like being here for the first time.
Speaker 5: You'll notice that I've got the hands in my pocket.
Speaker 5: It's just out of my always good for me to
Speaker 5: as when I was a police officer, to go to
Speaker 5: the seat in the crime and you'd never know she
Speaker 5: was here. There's no rip, there's no flowers planted here,
Speaker 5: there's no area hasn't been touched. You wouldn't know if
Speaker 5: you walk, if you're walking long here, that this is
Speaker 5: where a body was found, knowing that she was here.
Speaker 5: It's really it's really sad. It's really sad to find
Speaker 5: that a young woman in a prime of a life,
Speaker 5: her life ends here, and just a callous way that
Speaker 5: she was dubbed here and just discarded like a piece
Speaker 5: of rubbish and set on fire. The offender or offenders,
Speaker 5: he's got no regard for any human life.
Speaker 2: Sexual predators commonly use fire to destroy evidence. Rochelle's killer
Speaker 2: doused her body in unleaded petrol, seemingly determined to leave
Speaker 2: no trace.
Speaker 5: Well initially, Accelerate would have really gone bush car sort
Speaker 5: of thing, you know, because it burns off very quickly.
Speaker 5: The petrol. It's got a high flash point, so boom,
Speaker 5: it would have gone straight up and then would have diminished.
Speaker 5: To do that without getting injured, you'd have to use
Speaker 5: a match, you know, you'd have to stand back and
Speaker 5: flick not. You couldn't do it with the cigarette lighter.
Speaker 6: Is it good book?
Speaker 5: And often enough you get the singer spumer, you know,
Speaker 5: particularly on their hands on the face I linked and
Speaker 5: everything from the arsness that I've locked up, have caught
Speaker 5: torch things. They've got some sort of checking her injury,
Speaker 5: you know, they've got you can tell them that they've
Speaker 5: got their hands have been out, that their follicles on
Speaker 5: their hands have been singed in the hair and the eyebrows.
Speaker 5: Sometimes if it's enough, why here, this is a whole?
Speaker 5: Why here? What is it? Just an opportunist excite from
Speaker 5: somewhere off the side of the road. If you could
Speaker 5: have gone in another hundred leaders in your body would
Speaker 5: have seen that flavor from the road. So did something happen?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 5: He really hardly quick and really fast.
Speaker 2: Detectives have always believed Rochelle's killer had intended to hide
Speaker 2: her body She was found naked from the waist down
Speaker 2: in the fetal position, next to an in ground concrete tank,
Speaker 2: the tank I went looking for with Iva Davies, the
Speaker 2: first lead investigator. Remember when Ivor arrived at the scene
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, the tank's heavy concrete lid
Speaker 2: had been slightly pushed back, suggesting someone tried to open it.
Speaker 2: Here's iv from episode one.
Speaker 6: I think they went to great lengths to hide her body,
Speaker 6: but it didn't work out, so then it was just
Speaker 6: had hotly done in haste. Just they've had enough. They
Speaker 6: must have been driving around with the corpse in the
Speaker 6: body for Harris, and I just think that when this
Speaker 6: didn't pan out, they've had enough. You're not going to
Speaker 6: just put a rear torch and get rid of the evidence,
Speaker 6: just get out of dodge. So just picture a concrete tank.
Speaker 6: I don't know how deep it was, it might have
Speaker 6: been maybe a meter meter and half, but above the
Speaker 6: ground was maybe three to four hundred and it had
Speaker 6: the concrete lid on it. Stick had a meter and
Speaker 6: a half around maybe a meter. So when you slid
Speaker 6: it off, which they did to at least a quarters away,
Speaker 6: you can clearly see the gate valves, water junctions. Everything
Speaker 6: was close to the service. It wasn't like a two
Speaker 6: meter drop, so as obviously we're not going to get
Speaker 6: the deceased in there. So I think in haste they
Speaker 6: just dropped it into the shallow, put an excillain over it,
Speaker 6: and tortured it.
Speaker 2: Now Damien's in the same spot and mapping out the
Speaker 2: crime scene with me.
Speaker 7: I think it was about here probably, I think it
Speaker 7: was about here. I wonder if that could have been
Speaker 7: it that hold air.
Speaker 4: It seems to have been further in.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we look it's been filled in. There should be
Speaker 5: some sort of lid or something other on top of it,
Speaker 5: maybe some concrete. Here it is, This is where the
Speaker 5: tank was.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's it.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 5: It is here, now here it is that's been covered in.
Speaker 5: Looks of the original concrete. It's been taken away. And
Speaker 5: this is like a heart plastic diameter's right circular.
Speaker 2: It's exactly the same size that ever explained.
Speaker 5: He's so close to here.
Speaker 1: It is here.
Speaker 5: I can lift it up.
Speaker 8: There's a road.
Speaker 5: I can lift it up.
Speaker 9: Well, you're standing on it.
Speaker 5: I can lift it up.
Speaker 9: Be careful.
Speaker 5: That's the valves that we're talking about just got shells.
Speaker 2: So do you think the reason maiming the body wasn't
Speaker 2: placed in the tank.
Speaker 5: Was not that it couldn't fit, couldn't lift it couldn't
Speaker 5: lift it couldn't lift it. That's what probably is the
Speaker 5: more important question.
Speaker 2: So now we're both thinking what stopped the killer from
Speaker 2: hiding Rochelle's body in the tank. Was the lead too heavy?
Speaker 2: Was it impossible to do alone? We're going to explore
Speaker 2: the evidence in more detail later on, but if you'd
Speaker 2: like to see the tank now, visit Dear Rochelle dot
Speaker 2: com dot au for exclusive access to pictures, interactive evidence
Speaker 2: from the CA, videos and more. What we do know
Speaker 2: it's Rochelle was found beside the tank, was burning, her
Speaker 2: body planned b Was it the work of someone acting alone?
Speaker 2: Before you hear eyewitness accounts from that rainy night on
Speaker 2: the Crooked River Road which is also known as GIRoA Road.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to part of a police press conference held
Speaker 2: by detectives Scott Cook in a cold case appeal.
Speaker 1: We believe that that commodore may have traveled between Bargo
Speaker 1: and GIRoA where she was found on the evening that
Speaker 1: she went missing. We believed that the vehicle was driven
Speaker 1: by someone other than Rochelle. But what we really need
Speaker 1: to explore further at this time is where that car went.
Speaker 1: It was seen at the Bargo Hotel in the evening
Speaker 1: of the seventh, again on the eighth, and again on
Speaker 1: the night before it was recovered by police, and so
Speaker 1: we want to try and fill in where that vehicle was.
Speaker 1: We're particularly interested in whether the vehicle was at petrol stations.
Speaker 1: Rochelle was burned and there was accelerant we believed to
Speaker 1: be petrol all over the place.
Speaker 2: You're going to hear about multiple sightings on different sides
Speaker 2: of the road. The tank is on the eastern side
Speaker 2: of Crooked River Road near the beach, and directly opposite
Speaker 2: is the entrance to a quarry owned by Cleary Brothers.
Speaker 2: The witnesses have given approximate times to police, allowing us
Speaker 2: to construct a timeline, but it's difficult to know the
Speaker 2: exact order in which the car switched from one side
Speaker 2: of the road to the other. It was rainy and dark.
Speaker 2: None of these witnesses could have predicted the enormity of
Speaker 2: what they were actually seeing driving through Seven Mile Beach
Speaker 2: that evening the first suspicious sighting could have been as
Speaker 2: early as twenty past ten on the Thursday night, four
Speaker 2: hours before Rochelle's burning body was discovered. These are actors
Speaker 2: voicing police summaries of their statements.
Speaker 10: An Australian Navy Air crewman by the name of David
Speaker 10: Bryan Oxley was heading home from HMAS Albatross at Naura.
Speaker 10: Driving north through seven Mile Beach. He saw a car
Speaker 10: parked on a left verge of Jiroa Road facing north.
Speaker 10: He noticed the tower lights were on. Mister Oxley told
Speaker 10: police he'd owned commodorees and was familiar with the tail
Speaker 10: light configuration. He identified the vehicle as a dark blue
Speaker 10: early model Commodore VB or VH. He didn't see anyone
Speaker 10: in or around the car.
Speaker 2: That description sounds pretty similar to Rochelle's blue VB Commodore.
Speaker 2: Between ten thirty and eleven pm, another witness drove past.
Speaker 11: Driving north along Dureua Road on June seventh, two thousand
Speaker 11: and one. Robert James Wilson had just passed Seven Mile
Speaker 11: Beach Holiday Park when he saw a blue BC Holden
Speaker 11: Commodore in a car park area on the eastern side
Speaker 11: of the road opposite the caravan park. He slid down
Speaker 11: because he thought the car might belong to a friend.
Speaker 11: He couldn't see the front of the car, but noticed
Speaker 11: the boot was open. He told police he saw two people,
Speaker 11: one with dark hair, lying on the ground and another
Speaker 11: with sandy colored hair standing next to them.
Speaker 2: Did Robert Wilson just see the killer standing beside Rochelle's body?
Speaker 2: She just meet us from the concrete tank. We know
Speaker 2: her body never made it inside the tank. This next
Speaker 2: sighting places the car on the other side of the road.
Speaker 12: Between ten thirty and eleven forty PM, Marie and Dallas
Speaker 12: Akroyd were traveling home to Bomaderry when their attention was
Speaker 12: drawn to a dark, older model parked car near the
Speaker 12: gate to the Cleary brother's quarry. It stood out because
Speaker 12: it was late and isolated, and they remember seeing somebody
Speaker 12: swump down in the driver's seat like they were trying
Speaker 12: to hide. Missus Akroyd told police she believes the person
Speaker 12: was male and of a small build, but she couldn't
Speaker 12: be sure. To Ackroyd remembers saying to his wife that
Speaker 12: seems strange. They didn't see any fire or smoke, so.
Speaker 2: By the time the acroids traveled through. The car was
Speaker 2: on the opposite side of the road to the tank.
Speaker 2: That makes me wonder what was the killer looking for
Speaker 2: and why were they moving back and forth? All that
Speaker 2: movement is risky, suggesting they were becoming increasingly desperate and
Speaker 2: they needed to cover their tracks. Time was running out.
Speaker 8: Around twelve thirty am, Jack Edmund had just finished work
Speaker 8: at a dairy farm who was driving north on Gireaux
Speaker 8: Road when he spotted a small car park near Cleary Brothers.
Speaker 8: Tigh beams are on. He flashed his lights to get
Speaker 8: the driver to dim them, but nothing changed.
Speaker 13: He says his vision was impaired.
Speaker 8: By the bright headlights. Didn't see anyone around or any
Speaker 8: smoke or fire.
Speaker 14: Fifteen minutes later, a business owner by the name of
Speaker 14: Gerardhas was heading home from work. He owned the Cowtex
Speaker 14: Star mart in South Nara. Mister Has told police he
Speaker 14: saw a parked car facing south on Giurea Road with
Speaker 14: its high beams on.
Speaker 2: He didn't see anyone then around two am, for the
Speaker 2: first time, flames was seen in the area.
Speaker 15: Shelley Heatherington was driving home late from work when she
Speaker 15: spotted a fire in the bush.
Speaker 9: Traveling through GIRoA.
Speaker 15: She told police the flames were almost a meter high
Speaker 15: and purple and blue in color. Shelley grew up on
Speaker 15: a farm and it looked like an accelerant fueled fire
Speaker 15: to her. Then she saw a car with no headlights
Speaker 15: doing a U turn in the middle of the road
Speaker 15: right in front of her. She described the car as
Speaker 15: an older model, square shaped vehicle, similar to an old Holden.
Speaker 2: Did Shelley Heatherington almost collide with the killer Fleeing this scene.
Speaker 2: Was the killer heading back to the Bargo Hotel to
Speaker 2: dump Rochelle's car. I'm stunned by how many close calls
Speaker 2: they had. There were no other known sightings of that
Speaker 2: car that evening. Just fifteen minutes after Shelley saw those
Speaker 2: blue and purple flames, security guard Craig Duck spotted the fire,
Speaker 2: pulled his car off the road and discovered Rochelle's body
Speaker 2: next to the concrete tank. Rochelle's shoes, her handbag, and
Speaker 2: her mobile phone, as well as a bedsheet she kept
Speaker 2: in her boot, were later found dumped at different locations,
Speaker 2: offering an insight into the killer's likely escape route. When
Speaker 2: police were looking for evidence, they canvassed to various service
Speaker 2: stations for CCTV from Bargo to the South coast. But
Speaker 2: as you'll hear from Detective Scott Cook, some of those
Speaker 2: tapes were lost.
Speaker 1: We're not sure whether they're missing. We may be able
Speaker 1: to still locate them. A lot of these matters from
Speaker 1: all around the state have been transferred and moved to
Speaker 1: different parts of the organization and different police stations as
Speaker 1: they close and rebuild, and often exhibits such as some
Speaker 1: of the tapes get mixed up. So we're confident we're
Speaker 1: still searching through the archives. There was a period in
Speaker 1: time when a lot of the exhibits from unsolved matters
Speaker 1: were put in boxes and sent to archives.
Speaker 2: But I've discovered police do have two segments of CCTV
Speaker 2: in their possession. The detectives flagged suspicious. Now remember an
Speaker 2: accelerant later confirmed to be unleaded. Petrol was used on
Speaker 2: Rochelle's body, and her blue Commodore was believed to have
Speaker 2: been driven to GIRoA, just over an hour away from Bargo,
Speaker 2: so police and Rochelle's family believe her car wouldn't have
Speaker 2: made it to the South Coast without a pit stop.
Speaker 13: Rochelle's parents that bicar was kind and often had to
Speaker 13: be filled up with petrol every twenty minutes. You mentioned
Speaker 13: petrol stations already. Is there any CCTV or that sort
Speaker 13: of technology that you will now.
Speaker 2: Look back on.
Speaker 1: Yes, any CCTV footage that we have and that we
Speaker 1: can locate will definitely be re examined. There are new
Speaker 1: technologies around enhancement processes that may be available.
Speaker 2: But police can't explain why the CCTV they do have
Speaker 2: that's been flagged has never been released to the public
Speaker 2: or even shown to Rochelle's family to see if anyone
Speaker 2: in that video recording is identifiable, it will go a
Speaker 2: long way to rule it in or out of the investigation.
Speaker 2: For the first time, you'll hear why these segments of
Speaker 2: CCTV were flagged. The first recording was captured at the
Speaker 2: South Narrow Celtics service station on the night Rachelle disappeared.
Speaker 2: These are the words written in the police log ten
Speaker 2: PM unknown for VBVH commodore pass entrance to shop parked
Speaker 2: near entrance possible unknown female out of car, blonde hair,
Speaker 2: dark top, light, slacks. Then three minutes later, same female
Speaker 2: in shop motor vehicle parked at the same position. Female
Speaker 2: has handbag over right shoulder. The car is observed at
Speaker 2: the petrol station for another seven minutes, then at ten
Speaker 2: point fifty pm, the log says Commodore blue in front
Speaker 2: of shop reversing back. Appears to be a male in
Speaker 2: front passenger site. The petrol station that captured this security
Speaker 2: video is only a twenty five minute drive and where
Speaker 2: Rochelle's body was set alight three hours later. The second
Speaker 2: piece of CCTV was from a different petrol station nearby,
Speaker 2: the East Narrom Mobile Service station, on the same night.
Speaker 2: Just a little later, the police log reads eleven forty
Speaker 2: five unknown Comodore or dark color, two males. Driver fills
Speaker 2: up passenger into shop. Then driver vehicle lights stayed on,
Speaker 2: blocking regio plate whilst filling up. Two minutes later, the
Speaker 2: mystery men in a similar card to Rochelle's drive off
Speaker 2: into the night. You have to wonder was it an
Speaker 2: accident the car's headlights were left on, or was it
Speaker 2: a deliberate attempt to disguise the Commodore's number plate. Now
Speaker 2: this was recorded about two hours before Rochelle was found
Speaker 2: just nineteen kilometers away. Damien and I are mulling over
Speaker 2: the witness statements. While we're at seven Mile Beach, Damien
Speaker 2: wants to have a look at the location where Jody
Speaker 2: Fsis was discovered four years before Rochelle.
Speaker 13: I'm just going to follow the track down here.
Speaker 16: Herehere isn't it.
Speaker 5: Rochelle was placed was within three hundred and sixty meters
Speaker 5: awhere Jody Thesis's body was located. And that's not uncommon
Speaker 5: for these things to occur in an investigation to throw
Speaker 5: off the investigators and put them on a different tangent
Speaker 5: for their investigation. And it's done on purpose so that
Speaker 5: the heat would come off you if you're involved in
Speaker 5: this homicide, that you deflect any in questionable conduct that
Speaker 5: you've been involved in or any suggestion that you may
Speaker 5: have been involved. And that's what they do. And it's
Speaker 5: not out of the ordinary that these things do happen,
Speaker 5: because they'd have happened.
Speaker 2: It would take twenty years for Jody's murder to be solved.
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, her husband, Stephen Frank Thesis, was found
Speaker 2: guilty of the eighteen year old's murder.
Speaker 17: It has taken far too long to make Stephen Thesis
Speaker 17: pay for his crime and his victim's family can hardly
Speaker 17: believe the battle is finally over. The cruel, heartless and
Speaker 17: savage killer jaled for at least sixteen and a half
Speaker 17: years for strangling Jody Fsis, his eighteen year old wife
Speaker 17: of just three months in their illa war a lounge room,
Speaker 17: burying her body in a shallow grave at seven Mile
Speaker 17: Beach and claiming she had simply disappeared.
Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and one, Jody's killer hadn't been caught, so,
Speaker 2: as it expect, the prime suspect, her husband, Steven Fisis,
Speaker 2: was investigated over Rochelle's murder. He would give evidence at
Speaker 2: Rochelle's inquest where he demonstrated he could prove he was
Speaker 2: working at a woole and Gone club as a security
Speaker 2: guard on the night Rochelle was killed. Was the fact
Speaker 2: Rochelle's body was placed so close to the spot where
Speaker 2: Jody was buried a coincidence or was this done intentionally?
Speaker 2: Damien has a theory.
Speaker 5: It's a smart thinking because you've got an unsold thomaside already,
Speaker 5: so you put another body within that three to five
Speaker 5: hundred meters and people are going to be saying whether
Speaker 5: she was a killer on the list were. In fact
Speaker 5: it two separated homicides altogether.
Speaker 2: Police at the time did quash this serial killer theory,
Speaker 2: but don't underestimate how many police resources it would take
Speaker 2: to get to that point. So with Stephen fsis ruled
Speaker 2: out by police and Sash no longer a person of interest,
Speaker 2: the list of pois is narrowing.
Speaker 14: Oh, don't go.
Speaker 9: Shit, it's got to be soon. Shan't get him up
Speaker 9: the top of here.
Speaker 15: Yeah, come.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 2: Rochelle treasured her holder and she had big plans for
Speaker 2: doing it up. She was saving up to paint it
Speaker 2: cherry red, but after her murder it was cased for
Speaker 2: forensic testing. There's a story behind how Christy got it back.
Speaker 4: So had it for ten years out at Marulin and
Speaker 4: they said that we could have it back. Did we
Speaker 4: want it back? Mum and Dad didn't want it, but
Speaker 4: I wanted it so Dad, because I was broke. Dad
Speaker 4: put new ties on it and got it transported up
Speaker 4: to my father in law's house at the time because
Speaker 4: he had property, So we had it at his house
Speaker 4: for a little while. Got moved around a couple of
Speaker 4: times until I moved in the New England region and
Speaker 4: I've got one hundred acres up there. Then it just
Speaker 4: sat in my shed and still it sitting in my shed.
Speaker 4: So I've got it, but it's not in good nick.
Speaker 4: They kept it out in the elements, which really annoyed
Speaker 4: me because the paint was peeling off it. It's very
Speaker 4: rusty now and it wasn't. It was in mint condition
Speaker 4: when they took it. I haven't done anything with it
Speaker 4: because I look at it and go, what happened to
Speaker 4: you in that car? Were you killed in that car?
Speaker 4: Were you dead in that car? I don't think I'm
Speaker 4: ever going to know, so I would like it to
Speaker 4: be like a tribute car for her. I'm very sentimental
Speaker 4: with things.
Speaker 2: Christy takes the hold into her old friend and mechanic,
Speaker 2: Ben Hill. She's keen to know what it will take
Speaker 2: to turn it into the ride Rochelle had always dreamed off.
Speaker 18: This is the most original behind Pine of the fact Sine. Yeah,
Speaker 18: you've taken to the top of the totem pole. Yeah,
Speaker 18: there's some reward shit gown on me. Who's going to
Speaker 18: rad orgy going on? I was expecting one thing.
Speaker 7: But you've topped it.
Speaker 9: Well, it came.
Speaker 4: It honestly came to be looking like this from and
Speaker 4: it's just been sitting there.
Speaker 16: So the whole rat's.
Speaker 4: Living in it.
Speaker 10: That's me.
Speaker 4: But before that, you know, we're sitting out in the
Speaker 4: middle of nowhere.
Speaker 9: They stripped it out of.
Speaker 18: It underneath whole car. Get a bucket and sides, wash
Speaker 18: it and stand back. Get everything out of boot. Punch
Speaker 18: the rubble buns out going the boot out, seats out
Speaker 18: of it, half it out, do lousing, do louse. The
Speaker 18: whole part was it definitely amazing. A little bit of
Speaker 18: shine does. And then that's the starting point, you know
Speaker 18: what I mean. You've unwrapped the package. Then it's facing
Speaker 18: the engine off, tire par shaft out breaks can be rebuilt,
Speaker 18: Engines can be rebuilt, give boxes, all of that stuff.
Speaker 16: But it's just getting the body right.
Speaker 18: Fuck, it's the cost and the rust. Once you get
Speaker 18: the ship off, it's amazing. Your cars are all the
Speaker 18: time and it's it's cool.
Speaker 8: You can see it.
Speaker 18: I can see the bear bones under the ship once
Speaker 18: you clean the ship off.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 18: I can't know what I'm starting with, but's it's just
Speaker 18: it's a big job.
Speaker 16: Yes, she wanted to be it. Think our driver seriously,
Speaker 16: And I remember when I first went out to the
Speaker 16: dealership that she worked, just watching her put all the
Speaker 16: cars back in and the way she reversed with one hand,
Speaker 16: and she was amazing.
Speaker 17: She was very good.
Speaker 16: I didn't know where she was going to head. She
Speaker 16: started off working for the MacArthur Advertiser and then she
Speaker 16: got the position then at Cambden Holden. Christy had gone
Speaker 16: to UNI to do teaching and she regretted not going
Speaker 16: somewhere and getting something done. But I would lot to
Speaker 16: I'd love to drive racing cars. I said, that's what
Speaker 16: you want to do, but it never got that far.
Speaker 16: We have one of the members.
Speaker 9: Of Rocky's team.
Speaker 15: Yep, and the other and.
Speaker 16: Who was her idol, Rocky number five? Can we come.
Speaker 2: Away?
Speaker 17: Yep?
Speaker 9: Stay in the draft.
Speaker 2: On did she meet him? Do you have a memory
Speaker 2: of her meeting him? Because I know there's that really
Speaker 2: iconic photo of them together.
Speaker 10: She loved him.
Speaker 16: A gift or something to receive for someone to go
Speaker 16: and meet him. I know she went and she did
Speaker 16: a race around a track here. She kicked up, but
Speaker 16: she's very happy girl.
Speaker 2: Rochelle lived and breathed cars and she was a rising
Speaker 2: sales star at Camden Holden. She was passionate about the job,
Speaker 2: and of course it didn't hurt. She was a beautiful
Speaker 2: blonde in a male dominated industry.
Speaker 9: My name's Jim Morrison. I was the general manager of
Speaker 9: the Camden Holden dealership for four years. I started the
Speaker 9: dealership when Rochelle had already started as a junior salesperson.
Speaker 2: What was Rochelle like to work with?
Speaker 14: Did she love her job?
Speaker 9: She always seemed enthusiastic. He always pleasant, She was on
Speaker 9: the up space, she want to say. She was never
Speaker 9: miserable or christ or anything like that. She used to
Speaker 9: spend a fair bit of time in reception talking to Fionna.
Speaker 9: I'd probably chip them both a couple of times about
Speaker 9: spending too much timely that g Rochelle, Diana's got cars
Speaker 9: to register or GP only Rochelle's can't keep an eye
Speaker 9: on the yard while she's in here talking to you.
Speaker 9: And that's just a management thing. At the same time,
Speaker 9: it wasn't a dictatorial type atmosphere, so I wouldn't do
Speaker 9: that every single time we're talking. It might be one
Speaker 9: time out of ten, because I tried to garner a
Speaker 9: just a happy, friendly environment.
Speaker 2: Who was Rochelle working with and how would you describe
Speaker 2: the relationships she had with her colleagues?
Speaker 9: Okay, the manager of the used cars that was fellow
Speaker 9: by the name of Kevin Carrell. I had worked with
Speaker 9: Kevin previously in another dealership. He was only there a
Speaker 9: very short time, maybe one or two months. By memory.
Speaker 9: I don't know a lot of people that know much
Speaker 9: about him. But I was actually away on a business trip.
Speaker 9: Fell I was on on the trip with who had
Speaker 9: worked with Kevin previously. I just mentioned, or did you
Speaker 9: know Kevin Carrell from your time where you are? And
Speaker 9: he said, yeah, just careful when you shake his hand,
Speaker 9: you might want to check how many fingers you've got
Speaker 9: to make sure he hasn't stolen any I thought, okay,
Speaker 9: that's a bit of an old comment. I'll be a
Speaker 9: little bit guarded.
Speaker 2: After Rochelle's death, in your statement to police, you said
Speaker 2: you came across some inconsistencies in a customer's paperwork.
Speaker 9: What were they something to do with the repair that
Speaker 9: was supposed to be done prior to delivery. My memory
Speaker 9: is right, and he spoke of it being documented on
Speaker 9: the contract. I've said, well, look, I'll call you back.
Speaker 9: I've gone to find the file copy of the contract
Speaker 9: and it had no record of what he was talking about.
Speaker 9: I then contacted the customer back to say, look, I
Speaker 9: need to see your copy of the contract. Pleased you
Speaker 9: might if I come out and visit here, which I did,
Speaker 9: and I was seeing the deposit amounts on one contract
Speaker 9: and not on another against the same vehicle, and that's
Speaker 9: when the Penny trocolt there was something underhanded going on.
Speaker 9: So we just had to take that to the detectives,
Speaker 9: which was black and white.
Speaker 2: It's worth noting all staff at Camden Holden deny any
Speaker 2: involvement into frauding the company, and nobody was ever charged.
Speaker 2: So you uncovered a fraud scandal essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would doubt that Rochelle would have been a
Speaker 9: party to it. I don't think she was just too
Speaker 9: honest and upfront. I couldn't believe she would be actively
Speaker 9: evolved in something like that.
Speaker 2: Do you think she could have stumbled upon it and
Speaker 2: was going to expose someone potentially.
Speaker 9: It's possible, and that was something that was put to
Speaker 9: the detectives.
Speaker 2: And that would have left her in danger potentially.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: On the next episode of Dear Rochelle, I remember staring
Speaker 2: at him at the funeral and he wouldn't look at me.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think is the killer in this church?
Speaker 9: Yep?
Speaker 2: Do you think he was?
Speaker 5: He's another one of certainly of interest where he's got
Speaker 5: some sort of romantic connections with Rochelle.
Speaker 9: I don't know. I just always gave me a bad vibe.
Speaker 1: I just like him.
Speaker 2: How critical do you think the wal Conshaw is in
Speaker 2: this puzzle?
Speaker 5: Well, if it's used as a ploy to lure you somewhere,
Speaker 5: then it is very significant.
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