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Speaker 1: go to places they know best, but they believe no

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Speaker 2: I'm Ashley Hanson. This is episode three of Deershell, a

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Speaker 2: podcast by True Crime Australia. Mick Ashwood spent the best

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Speaker 2: part of three decades hunting criminals. He's taking us into

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Speaker 2: the mindset of a killer and what he's learned about

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Speaker 2: how they cover their tracks.

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Speaker 1: They go through a change, they become depressed and scared

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Speaker 1: so much into that. So if you don't know what

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Speaker 1: to do when you feel some first time, you don't

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Speaker 1: know where to dump the body, you don't know how

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Speaker 1: to protect yourself. What you want to do is place

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Speaker 1: yourself as far asway from the victim as you can.

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Speaker 1: Put them in a spot that's a long way from

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Speaker 1: where anyone saw you. And these are subconscious drives in

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Speaker 1: people's heads. They don't care about the VIATO. You've got

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Speaker 1: a factor that in is this person a criminal psychopath?

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Speaker 1: Because they have no empathy, They feel sorry for themselves.

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Speaker 1: If they get caught let's see it. They then modify

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Speaker 1: their behavior so they don't get caught next time, or

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Speaker 1: if it was close call, they move the bodies someone

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Speaker 1: like over mylac. Bodies tend to get closer to where

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Speaker 1: the person lives as they get more confident with time.

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Speaker 1: On this case stood, I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: done on their own, but because of the failing at

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Speaker 3: This is someone's life who got ripped away from them,

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Speaker 3: who got completely ripped off. And she was so special,

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Speaker 3: and she would have done so many beautiful things and

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Speaker 3: I just want everyone to know that she was one

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Speaker 4: We just all got ripped off, and her especially.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether she knew what was happening to

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Speaker 3: how long she suffered for. I don't know how scared

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Speaker 3: she was. I'm never going to know that. That's haunting.

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Speaker 2: This is the untold story of Rochelle Child's, a twenty

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Speaker 2: three year old who was brutally murdered. Her killer has

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Speaker 2: never been caught. To understand the motivation and mind of

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Speaker 2: Rochelle's killer, detectives need to collect and examine all the

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Speaker 2: available evidence. Let's recap. There's a nine hour gap in

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Speaker 2: Rochelle's movements that's troubling detectives. Her last confirmed sighting was

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Speaker 2: leaving Camden Holden on Thursday, the seventh of June just

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Speaker 2: found one hundred kilometers away at seven Mile Beach in

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Speaker 2: the early hours of Friday morning. The location is linked

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Speaker 2: to another woman's unsolved murder, fueling suspicion a serial killer

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Speaker 2: a struggle or forced entry at Rochelle's home in Bargo. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: Let's return to seven Mile Beach. Every time I go

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Speaker 2: back there, I learned something new this trip. I'm heading

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Speaker 2: there with cold case expert retired New South Wales detective

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Damien Lund. He's been pouring over the brief of

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Speaker 2: evidence for months and I'm looking forward to his insights.

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Speaker 2: What does it feel like being here for the first time.

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Speaker 5: You'll notice that I've got the hands in my pocket.

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Speaker 5: It's just out of my always good for me to

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Speaker 5: was here. There's no rip, there's no flowers planted here,

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Speaker 5: there's no area hasn't been touched. You wouldn't know if

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Speaker 5: It's really it's really sad. It's really sad to find

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Speaker 5: of rubbish and set on fire. The offender or offenders,

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Speaker 2: Sexual predators commonly use fire to destroy evidence. Rochelle's killer

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Speaker 5: Well initially, Accelerate would have really gone bush car sort

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Speaker 6: Is it good book?

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Speaker 5: And often enough you get the singer spumer, you know,

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Speaker 5: torch things. They've got some sort of checking her injury,

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Speaker 5: Sometimes if it's enough, why here, this is a whole?

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Speaker 5: Why here? What is it? Just an opportunist excite from

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Speaker 5: have gone in another hundred leaders in your body would

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Speaker 5: have seen that flavor from the road. So did something happen?

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Speaker 6: Really?

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Speaker 5: He really hardly quick and really fast.

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Speaker 2: Detectives have always believed Rochelle's killer had intended to hide

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Speaker 2: her body She was found naked from the waist down

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Speaker 2: in the fetal position, next to an in ground concrete tank,

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Speaker 2: the tank I went looking for with Iva Davies, the

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, the tank's heavy concrete lid

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Speaker 6: I think they went to great lengths to hide her body,

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Speaker 6: but it didn't work out, so then it was just

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Speaker 6: had hotly done in haste. Just they've had enough. They

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Speaker 6: just get out of dodge. So just picture a concrete tank.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how deep it was, it might have

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Speaker 6: you can clearly see the gate valves, water junctions. Everything

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Speaker 2: Now Damien's in the same spot and mapping out the

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Speaker 7: I think it was about here probably, I think it

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Speaker 4: It seems to have been further in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we look it's been filled in. There should be

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Speaker 5: some sort of lid or something other on top of it,

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Speaker 5: maybe some concrete. Here it is, This is where the

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's it.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 5: It is here, now here it is that's been covered in.

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Speaker 5: Looks of the original concrete. It's been taken away. And

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Speaker 5: this is like a heart plastic diameter's right circular.

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Speaker 2: It's exactly the same size that ever explained.

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Speaker 5: He's so close to here.

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Speaker 1: It is here.

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Speaker 5: I can lift it up.

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Speaker 8: There's a road.

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Speaker 5: I can lift it up.

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Speaker 9: Well, you're standing on it.

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Speaker 5: I can lift it up.

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Speaker 9: Be careful.

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Speaker 5: That's the valves that we're talking about just got shells.

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Speaker 2: So do you think the reason maiming the body wasn't

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Speaker 5: Was not that it couldn't fit, couldn't lift it couldn't

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Speaker 5: lift it couldn't lift it. That's what probably is the

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Speaker 2: So now we're both thinking what stopped the killer from

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Speaker 2: hiding Rochelle's body in the tank. Was the lead too heavy?

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Speaker 2: Was it impossible to do alone? We're going to explore

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Speaker 2: the evidence in more detail later on, but if you'd

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Speaker 2: like to see the tank now, visit Dear Rochelle dot

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Speaker 2: from the CA, videos and more. What we do know

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Speaker 2: it's Rochelle was found beside the tank, was burning, her

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Speaker 2: body planned b Was it the work of someone acting alone?

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Speaker 2: Before you hear eyewitness accounts from that rainy night on

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Speaker 2: the Crooked River Road which is also known as GIRoA Road.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to part of a police press conference held

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Speaker 2: by detectives Scott Cook in a cold case appeal.

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Speaker 1: We believe that that commodore may have traveled between Bargo

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Speaker 1: by someone other than Rochelle. But what we really need

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Speaker 1: to explore further at this time is where that car went.

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Speaker 1: It was seen at the Bargo Hotel in the evening

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Speaker 1: we want to try and fill in where that vehicle was.

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Speaker 1: We're particularly interested in whether the vehicle was at petrol stations.

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Speaker 1: Rochelle was burned and there was accelerant we believed to

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Speaker 2: You're going to hear about multiple sightings on different sides

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Speaker 2: of Crooked River Road near the beach, and directly opposite

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Speaker 2: is the entrance to a quarry owned by Cleary Brothers.

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Speaker 2: The witnesses have given approximate times to police, allowing us

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Speaker 2: exact order in which the car switched from one side

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Speaker 2: None of these witnesses could have predicted the enormity of

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Speaker 2: what they were actually seeing driving through Seven Mile Beach

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Speaker 2: that evening the first suspicious sighting could have been as

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Speaker 2: early as twenty past ten on the Thursday night, four

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Speaker 2: hours before Rochelle's burning body was discovered. These are actors

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Speaker 2: voicing police summaries of their statements.

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Speaker 10: An Australian Navy Air crewman by the name of David

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Speaker 10: Bryan Oxley was heading home from HMAS Albatross at Naura.

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Speaker 10: Driving north through seven Mile Beach. He saw a car

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Speaker 10: He noticed the tower lights were on. Mister Oxley told

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Speaker 10: police he'd owned commodorees and was familiar with the tail

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Speaker 10: light configuration. He identified the vehicle as a dark blue

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Speaker 10: early model Commodore VB or VH. He didn't see anyone

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Speaker 2: That description sounds pretty similar to Rochelle's blue VB Commodore.

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Speaker 2: Between ten thirty and eleven pm, another witness drove past.

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Speaker 11: Driving north along Dureua Road on June seventh, two thousand

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Speaker 11: and one. Robert James Wilson had just passed Seven Mile

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Speaker 11: of the road opposite the caravan park. He slid down

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Speaker 11: He couldn't see the front of the car, but noticed

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Speaker 2: Did Robert Wilson just see the killer standing beside Rochelle's body?

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Speaker 2: She just meet us from the concrete tank. We know

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Speaker 12: Between ten thirty and eleven forty PM, Marie and Dallas

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Speaker 12: be sure. To Ackroyd remembers saying to his wife that

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Speaker 12: seems strange. They didn't see any fire or smoke, so.

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Speaker 2: By the time the acroids traveled through. The car was

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Speaker 2: That makes me wonder what was the killer looking for

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Speaker 2: and why were they moving back and forth? All that

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Speaker 8: Around twelve thirty am, Jack Edmund had just finished work

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Speaker 8: Tigh beams are on. He flashed his lights to get

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Speaker 13: He says his vision was impaired.

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Speaker 8: By the bright headlights. Didn't see anyone around or any

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Speaker 14: Fifteen minutes later, a business owner by the name of

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Speaker 14: saw a parked car facing south on Giurea Road with

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Speaker 2: He didn't see anyone then around two am, for the

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Speaker 15: Shelley Heatherington was driving home late from work when she

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Speaker 9: Traveling through GIRoA.

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Speaker 15: She told police the flames were almost a meter high

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Speaker 15: to her. Then she saw a car with no headlights

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Speaker 2: Did Shelley Heatherington almost collide with the killer Fleeing this scene.

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Speaker 2: Was the killer heading back to the Bargo Hotel to

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Speaker 2: they had. There were no other known sightings of that

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Speaker 2: blue and purple flames, security guard Craig Duck spotted the fire,

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Speaker 2: her mobile phone, as well as a bedsheet she kept

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Speaker 2: in her boot, were later found dumped at different locations,

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Speaker 2: offering an insight into the killer's likely escape route. When

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Speaker 2: police were looking for evidence, they canvassed to various service

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Speaker 2: as you'll hear from Detective Scott Cook, some of those

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Speaker 2: tapes were lost.

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Speaker 1: We're not sure whether they're missing. We may be able

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Speaker 1: to still locate them. A lot of these matters from

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Speaker 1: they close and rebuild, and often exhibits such as some

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Speaker 1: of the tapes get mixed up. So we're confident we're

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Speaker 1: still searching through the archives. There was a period in

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Speaker 2: But I've discovered police do have two segments of CCTV

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Speaker 2: in their possession. The detectives flagged suspicious. Now remember an

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Speaker 2: accelerant later confirmed to be unleaded. Petrol was used on

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Speaker 2: Rochelle's body, and her blue Commodore was believed to have

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Speaker 2: been driven to GIRoA, just over an hour away from Bargo,

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Speaker 2: so police and Rochelle's family believe her car wouldn't have

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Speaker 13: Rochelle's parents that bicar was kind and often had to

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Speaker 13: be filled up with petrol every twenty minutes. You mentioned

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Speaker 13: petrol stations already. Is there any CCTV or that sort

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Speaker 13: of technology that you will now.

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Speaker 2: Look back on.

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Speaker 1: Yes, any CCTV footage that we have and that we

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Speaker 1: can locate will definitely be re examined. There are new

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Speaker 1: technologies around enhancement processes that may be available.

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Speaker 2: But police can't explain why the CCTV they do have

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Speaker 2: that's been flagged has never been released to the public

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Speaker 2: in that video recording is identifiable, it will go a

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Speaker 2: long way to rule it in or out of the investigation.

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Speaker 2: For the first time, you'll hear why these segments of

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Speaker 2: CCTV were flagged. The first recording was captured at the

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Speaker 2: South Narrow Celtics service station on the night Rachelle disappeared.

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Speaker 2: These are the words written in the police log ten

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Speaker 2: PM unknown for VBVH commodore pass entrance to shop parked

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Speaker 2: near entrance possible unknown female out of car, blonde hair,

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Speaker 2: dark top, light, slacks. Then three minutes later, same female

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Speaker 2: has handbag over right shoulder. The car is observed at

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Speaker 2: the petrol station for another seven minutes, then at ten

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Speaker 2: point fifty pm, the log says Commodore blue in front

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Speaker 2: of shop reversing back. Appears to be a male in

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Speaker 2: front passenger site. The petrol station that captured this security

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Speaker 2: video is only a twenty five minute drive and where

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Speaker 2: Rochelle's body was set alight three hours later. The second

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Speaker 2: piece of CCTV was from a different petrol station nearby,

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Speaker 2: Just a little later, the police log reads eleven forty

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Speaker 2: five unknown Comodore or dark color, two males. Driver fills

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Speaker 2: up passenger into shop. Then driver vehicle lights stayed on,

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Speaker 2: blocking regio plate whilst filling up. Two minutes later, the

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Speaker 2: mystery men in a similar card to Rochelle's drive off

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Speaker 2: into the night. You have to wonder was it an

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Speaker 2: a deliberate attempt to disguise the Commodore's number plate. Now

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Speaker 2: this was recorded about two hours before Rochelle was found

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Speaker 2: just nineteen kilometers away. Damien and I are mulling over

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Speaker 2: the witness statements. While we're at seven Mile Beach, Damien

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Speaker 2: wants to have a look at the location where Jody

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Speaker 2: Fsis was discovered four years before Rochelle.

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Speaker 13: I'm just going to follow the track down here.

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Speaker 16: Herehere isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Rochelle was placed was within three hundred and sixty meters

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Speaker 5: awhere Jody Thesis's body was located. And that's not uncommon

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Speaker 5: for these things to occur in an investigation to throw

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Speaker 5: for their investigation. And it's done on purpose so that

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Speaker 5: the heat would come off you if you're involved in

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Speaker 5: this homicide, that you deflect any in questionable conduct that

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Speaker 5: have been involved. And that's what they do. And it's

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Speaker 5: not out of the ordinary that these things do happen,

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Speaker 5: because they'd have happened.

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Speaker 2: It would take twenty years for Jody's murder to be solved.

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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, her husband, Stephen Frank Thesis, was found

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Speaker 17: It has taken far too long to make Stephen Thesis

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Speaker 17: believe the battle is finally over. The cruel, heartless and

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Speaker 17: years for strangling Jody Fsis, his eighteen year old wife

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Speaker 17: of just three months in their illa war a lounge room,

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Speaker 17: burying her body in a shallow grave at seven Mile

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Speaker 17: Beach and claiming she had simply disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and one, Jody's killer hadn't been caught, so,

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Speaker 2: as it expect, the prime suspect, her husband, Steven Fisis,

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Speaker 2: was investigated over Rochelle's murder. He would give evidence at

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Speaker 2: Rochelle's inquest where he demonstrated he could prove he was

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Speaker 2: working at a woole and Gone club as a security

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Speaker 2: guard on the night Rochelle was killed. Was the fact

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Speaker 2: Rochelle's body was placed so close to the spot where

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Speaker 2: Jody was buried a coincidence or was this done intentionally?

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Speaker 2: Damien has a theory.

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Speaker 5: It's a smart thinking because you've got an unsold thomaside already,

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Speaker 5: so you put another body within that three to five

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Speaker 5: it two separated homicides altogether.

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Speaker 2: Police at the time did quash this serial killer theory,

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Speaker 2: but don't underestimate how many police resources it would take

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Speaker 2: to get to that point. So with Stephen fsis ruled

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Speaker 2: out by police and Sash no longer a person of interest,

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Speaker 2: the list of pois is narrowing.

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Speaker 14: Oh, don't go.

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Speaker 9: Shit, it's got to be soon. Shan't get him up

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Speaker 9: the top of here.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, come.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Rochelle treasured her holder and she had big plans for

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Speaker 2: doing it up. She was saving up to paint it

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Speaker 2: cherry red, but after her murder it was cased for

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Speaker 2: forensic testing. There's a story behind how Christy got it back.

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Speaker 4: So had it for ten years out at Marulin and

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Speaker 4: they said that we could have it back. Did we

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Speaker 4: want it back? Mum and Dad didn't want it, but

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Speaker 4: I wanted it so Dad, because I was broke. Dad

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Speaker 4: I've got one hundred acres up there. Then it just

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Speaker 4: So I've got it, but it's not in good nick.

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Speaker 4: They kept it out in the elements, which really annoyed

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Speaker 4: me because the paint was peeling off it. It's very

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Speaker 4: rusty now and it wasn't. It was in mint condition

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Speaker 4: when they took it. I haven't done anything with it

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Speaker 4: because I look at it and go, what happened to

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Speaker 4: you in that car? Were you killed in that car?

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Speaker 4: Were you dead in that car? I don't think I'm

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Speaker 4: ever going to know, so I would like it to

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Speaker 4: be like a tribute car for her. I'm very sentimental

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Speaker 4: with things.

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Speaker 2: Christy takes the hold into her old friend and mechanic,

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Speaker 2: Ben Hill. She's keen to know what it will take

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Speaker 2: to turn it into the ride Rochelle had always dreamed off.

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Speaker 18: This is the most original behind Pine of the fact Sine. Yeah,

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Speaker 18: you've taken to the top of the totem pole. Yeah,

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Speaker 18: there's some reward shit gown on me. Who's going to

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Speaker 18: rad orgy going on? I was expecting one thing.

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Speaker 7: But you've topped it.

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Speaker 9: Well, it came.

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Speaker 4: It honestly came to be looking like this from and

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Speaker 4: it's just been sitting there.

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Speaker 16: So the whole rat's.

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Speaker 4: Living in it.

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Speaker 10: That's me.

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Speaker 4: But before that, you know, we're sitting out in the

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Speaker 9: They stripped it out of.

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Speaker 18: It underneath whole car. Get a bucket and sides, wash

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Speaker 18: it and stand back. Get everything out of boot. Punch

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Speaker 18: the rubble buns out going the boot out, seats out

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Speaker 18: of it, half it out, do lousing, do louse. The

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Speaker 18: whole part was it definitely amazing. A little bit of

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Speaker 18: shine does. And then that's the starting point, you know

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Speaker 18: what I mean. You've unwrapped the package. Then it's facing

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Speaker 18: the engine off, tire par shaft out breaks can be rebuilt,

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Speaker 18: Engines can be rebuilt, give boxes, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 16: But it's just getting the body right.

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Speaker 18: Fuck, it's the cost and the rust. Once you get

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Speaker 18: the ship off, it's amazing. Your cars are all the

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Speaker 18: time and it's it's cool.

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Speaker 8: You can see it.

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Speaker 18: I can see the bear bones under the ship once

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Speaker 18: you clean the ship off.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 18: I can't know what I'm starting with, but's it's just

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Speaker 18: it's a big job.

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Speaker 16: Yes, she wanted to be it. Think our driver seriously,

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Speaker 16: And I remember when I first went out to the

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Speaker 16: dealership that she worked, just watching her put all the

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Speaker 16: cars back in and the way she reversed with one hand,

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Speaker 16: and she was amazing.

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Speaker 17: She was very good.

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Speaker 16: I didn't know where she was going to head. She

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Speaker 16: started off working for the MacArthur Advertiser and then she

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Speaker 16: got the position then at Cambden Holden. Christy had gone

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Speaker 16: to UNI to do teaching and she regretted not going

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Speaker 16: somewhere and getting something done. But I would lot to

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Speaker 16: I'd love to drive racing cars. I said, that's what

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Speaker 16: you want to do, but it never got that far.

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Speaker 16: We have one of the members.

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Speaker 9: Of Rocky's team.

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Speaker 15: Yep, and the other and.

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Speaker 16: Who was her idol, Rocky number five? Can we come.

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Speaker 2: Away?

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Speaker 17: Yep?

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Speaker 9: Stay in the draft.

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Speaker 2: On did she meet him? Do you have a memory

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Speaker 2: of her meeting him? Because I know there's that really

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Speaker 2: iconic photo of them together.

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Speaker 10: She loved him.

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Speaker 16: A gift or something to receive for someone to go

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Speaker 16: and meet him. I know she went and she did

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Speaker 16: a race around a track here. She kicked up, but

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Speaker 16: she's very happy girl.

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Speaker 2: Rochelle lived and breathed cars and she was a rising

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Speaker 2: sales star at Camden Holden. She was passionate about the job,

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Speaker 2: and of course it didn't hurt. She was a beautiful

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Speaker 2: blonde in a male dominated industry.

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Speaker 9: My name's Jim Morrison. I was the general manager of

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Speaker 9: the Camden Holden dealership for four years. I started the

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Speaker 9: dealership when Rochelle had already started as a junior salesperson.

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Speaker 2: What was Rochelle like to work with?

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Speaker 14: Did she love her job?

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Speaker 9: She always seemed enthusiastic. He always pleasant, She was on

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Speaker 9: the up space, she want to say. She was never

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Speaker 9: miserable or christ or anything like that. She used to

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Speaker 9: spend a fair bit of time in reception talking to Fionna.

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Speaker 9: I'd probably chip them both a couple of times about

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Speaker 9: spending too much timely that g Rochelle, Diana's got cars

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Speaker 9: to register or GP only Rochelle's can't keep an eye

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Speaker 9: on the yard while she's in here talking to you.

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Speaker 9: And that's just a management thing. At the same time,

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Speaker 9: it wasn't a dictatorial type atmosphere, so I wouldn't do

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Speaker 9: that every single time we're talking. It might be one

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Speaker 9: time out of ten, because I tried to garner a

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Speaker 9: just a happy, friendly environment.

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Speaker 2: Who was Rochelle working with and how would you describe

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Speaker 2: the relationships she had with her colleagues?

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Speaker 9: Okay, the manager of the used cars that was fellow

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Speaker 9: by the name of Kevin Carrell. I had worked with

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Speaker 9: Kevin previously in another dealership. He was only there a

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Speaker 9: very short time, maybe one or two months. By memory.

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Speaker 9: I don't know a lot of people that know much

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Speaker 9: about him. But I was actually away on a business trip.

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Speaker 9: Fell I was on on the trip with who had

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Speaker 9: worked with Kevin previously. I just mentioned, or did you

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Speaker 9: know Kevin Carrell from your time where you are? And

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Speaker 9: he said, yeah, just careful when you shake his hand,

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Speaker 9: you might want to check how many fingers you've got

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Speaker 9: to make sure he hasn't stolen any I thought, okay,

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Speaker 9: that's a bit of an old comment. I'll be a

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Speaker 9: little bit guarded.

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Speaker 2: After Rochelle's death, in your statement to police, you said

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Speaker 2: you came across some inconsistencies in a customer's paperwork.

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Speaker 9: What were they something to do with the repair that

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Speaker 9: was supposed to be done prior to delivery. My memory

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Speaker 9: is right, and he spoke of it being documented on

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Speaker 9: the contract. I've said, well, look, I'll call you back.

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Speaker 9: I've gone to find the file copy of the contract

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Speaker 9: and it had no record of what he was talking about.

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Speaker 9: I then contacted the customer back to say, look, I

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Speaker 9: need to see your copy of the contract. Pleased you

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Speaker 9: might if I come out and visit here, which I did,

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Speaker 9: and I was seeing the deposit amounts on one contract

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Speaker 9: and not on another against the same vehicle, and that's

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Speaker 9: when the Penny trocolt there was something underhanded going on.

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Speaker 9: So we just had to take that to the detectives,

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Speaker 9: which was black and white.

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Speaker 2: It's worth noting all staff at Camden Holden deny any

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Speaker 2: involvement into frauding the company, and nobody was ever charged.

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Speaker 2: So you uncovered a fraud scandal essentially.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I would doubt that Rochelle would have been a

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Speaker 9: party to it. I don't think she was just too

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Speaker 9: honest and upfront. I couldn't believe she would be actively

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Speaker 9: evolved in something like that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think she could have stumbled upon it and

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Speaker 2: was going to expose someone potentially.

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Speaker 9: It's possible, and that was something that was put to

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Speaker 9: the detectives.

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Speaker 2: And that would have left her in danger potentially.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of Dear Rochelle, I remember staring

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Speaker 2: at him at the funeral and he wouldn't look at me.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think is the killer in this church?

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Speaker 9: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Do you think he was?

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Speaker 5: He's another one of certainly of interest where he's got

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Speaker 5: some sort of romantic connections with Rochelle.

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I just always gave me a bad vibe.

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Speaker 1: I just like him.

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Speaker 2: How critical do you think the wal Conshaw is in

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Speaker 2: this puzzle?

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Speaker 5: Well, if it's used as a ploy to lure you somewhere,

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Speaker 5: then it is very significant.

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