WEBVTT - Sharri | 16 May 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:10.560 Life sharing well tonight, we haven't seen a budget reply speech. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.880 Peter Dutton has delivered a pitch for Australia if he 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:19.079 were the Prime minister. There have been major policy announcements tonight, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.120 including a two year ban on foreign investors from buying 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.880 Ozsie Holmes and slashing immigration levels to just one hundred 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.280 and forty thousand a year. This is a bold speech 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:36.120 and Dutton is unapologetic as he announces controversial and tough 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.640 measures in housing, immigration, energy and crime. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.320 This is because this Labor government has made life so 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.040 much tougher for Australians, because this Labor government has set 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.360 our country on a very dangerous course. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.959 Dutton will fight the next election from this platform. He's 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.880 got nineteen seats that he needs to win to get 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.200 into majority government. It is a tough ask. He won't 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.560 get close without a point of difference. His vision tonight 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.440 clearly sets the coalition apart from Labour's vision for Australia. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.080 You think back to rud howard two thousand and seven election. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.400 The policies were virtually identical, but Peter Dutton and Anthony 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.840 Albanesi's vision for Australia couldn't be further apart. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.880 Today, millions of Australians are struggling to pay their bills. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.480 Even going to the supermarket and petrol station has become 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:36.720 stressful for so many. Prime Minister, Australians are genuinely hurting 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:37.560 under your government. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.880 Here tonight, in the past half an hour, Peter Dutton 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.600 has given a speech playing to the coalition's strengths and 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:51.360 brutally exposing Labour's areas of weakness and vulnerability. He's outlined 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:56.919 major policies in the area of domestic violence, immigration, housing. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.760 Health and energy. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.600 He knows that in this cost of crisis, with social 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:06.000 cohesion at breaking point, plus the scandal of detainees released 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.320 onto the streets without monitoring only to allegedly bash. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.560 A grandmother in one case. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.320 With this backdrop, Dutton knows the public are looking to 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.000 his opposition and wondering if they've got the credibility, the 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.440 substance and the policies. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:22.200 To be in office. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.120 Well, here were the key points from Dutton's Budget reply 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.799 speech that we've just heard. On immigration, Dutton tied this 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.680 closely to home ownership. In a major policy announcement, Dutton 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:38.160 said he'll ban for two years foreign investors and temporary 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.360 residents from buying existing homes in Australia have a listener. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.200 We believe that by rebalancing the migration program and taking 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.440 decisive action on the housing crisis, the Coalition can free 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.760 up almost forty thousand additional homes in the first year 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.919 and well over one hundred thousand homes in the first 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.440 five years. First, we will implement a two year ban 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.480 on foreign investors and temporary residents purchasing existing homes in Australia. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.959 A ban for two years. That's a big policy announcement. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.560 He'll also cut immigration to one hundred and forty thousand 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.480 for the first two years, he says, to recognize the 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.360 urgency of the home ownership crisis. He says then permanent 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.560 migration levels will increase to one hundred and fifty thousand 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.560 in the third year and one sixty thousand in the 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.760 fourth year. Now, what we've seen under Labor is that 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.560 immigration levels have soared to over half a million a year. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.160 Dutton's moved to slash it to. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.640 Just one hundred and forty thousand for the first two 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.400 years is likely to be a popular policy. The high 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.640 number of immigrants has put extreme pressure on housing, particularly 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.680 in the rental market and it's pushed up inflation and 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.040 thus contributed to rate rises. Now, home ownership, as we 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.120 heard tonight, it was a major pledge of Dutton's and 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.160 this will be his mantra in the lead up to 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.240 the next election. He says the dream of home ownership 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.760 has turned into a nightmare, and he says even finding 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.279 somewhere to rent is nearly impossible. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:10.600 Now. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.120 It's wonderful that parents in some circumstances with financial means 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.839 can help their kids into a home, but I will 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.800 never accept a situation where the only people who can 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.120 afford to buy a home in our country are those 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.760 with the support of their parents. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.440 Now, energy was another area we heard a lot from 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.800 Peter Dutton tonight on energy. In an announcement that will 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.760 upset the likes of billionaire Twiggy Forest, Dutton said he'd 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:40.320 pull the proposed thirteen billion dollar mega giveaway to green 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.159 hydrogen and critical minerals. He says these projects should stand 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.120 on their own without taxpayer subsidies. He also said he'd 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.839 defund the Environmental Defender's Office, which is blocking projects, and 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.600 he'll unlocked gas in key basins. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.240 There's little chance of labor bringing new gas supply to 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.120 the system because it's ideologically opposed to guess and it's 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.440 more worried about winning votes from the Greens inter city 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.000 seats that it is worried about people living in suburbs 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:11.760 or in regional towns around the country. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.840 Now, Dutton said in his vision for Australia there is 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.480 a place for renewable energy as part of the mix, 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.600 but he says there's no need for fifty eight million 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.400 solar panels, three five hundred wind farms and twenty eight 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.839 thousand kilometers of transmission polls and wires now, make no 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.440 mistake about it. Energy policy will be an area of 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.440 clear contest between Albanesi and Dutton in the lead up 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.799 to the next election, and tonight we've heard from Dutton 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.920 that he's reiterated his commitment to nuclear. He says Australia 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:50.320 has three energy goals cheaper, consistent and cleaner power, and 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.600 he says that all of these goals can be achieved 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.919 by including zero emission nuclear power in our energy mix 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:02.559 and by ramping up domestic gas production nuclear power. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.599 We can maximize the highest yield of energy per square 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.080 meter and minimize our environmental damage. We do that by 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.520 putting new nuclear technologies on or near the brown field 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.880 sites of decommissioned or retiring coal fire power plants using 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.240 the existing grid. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.559 Now, Peter Dutton referred to some of Labour's great prime 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.680 ministers tonight and when he was speaking about nuclear he 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.160 referred to Bob Hawk and also John Howard as too 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.120 who've expressed support for nuclear power. He also cited Pole's 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.960 showing that sixty five percent of Australians aged eighteen. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.359 To thirty four or so back nuclear. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.760 Now tonight we heard Dutton say that he'd tear up 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.320 Labour's complex IRA agenda. This has been very controversial and 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.920 unpopular with the business community. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.920 And industry and lobby groups as well. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.520 Now, on national security, Peter Dutton said it's going to 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.240 take a coalition government to stop the people smugglers. On 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.120 his past experience here, he says that they will be 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.000 able to deport criminals. And also he spoke about anti 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.120 Semitism and he pledged to provide what he described as 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.520 moral and political leadership to make it abundantly clear that 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.400 the law needs to be enforced on university campuses. And 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.280 he said he'll make sure that the law wouldn't be 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:27.360 enforced reluctantly, but readily, as he put it, against those 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.880 who incite hatred and violence. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:30.440 Have a look. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.760 Anti Semitism is not just a threat to one segment 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.080 of our community. It's a threat to our social cohesion 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.200 and to our democratic values. We will also provide the 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.120 moral and political leadership which makes it abundantly clear that 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.720 we expect the law to be enforced readily, not reluctantly, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.800 against those inciting hatred and violence. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.760 In law enforcement, Peter Dutton said it will also become 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.360 a crime to post criminal acts online. He says those 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.679 convictors will be banned from using digital platforms and even 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.000 face up to two years in prison. So quite a 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.400 strong announcement there, and he pledged to work with states 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.040 and territories to give police the power to stop and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:19.080 search people for knives using detector ones. He said he'd 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.840 also work with state and territories to ban the sale 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:26.400 and possession of knives, both to minors and dangerous criminals. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.280 He also wants to work with the states to tighten 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.880 bail laws. Now we've seen New Southell's Premier Chris Mins 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.080 take recent action in this regard, we haven't seen so 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.000 much from the other states, but Dartan says there are 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.880 areas of domestic violence that do fall under the Commonwealth Code. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.880 He says it'll be a criminal offense to use a 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.960 mobile phone or a computer network to cause a family 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.439 member or an intimate partner to fear for their safety 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.800 or to engage in coercive behavior. Now the bail laws 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.920 that relate to these what would be new Commonwealth offenses. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.680 He says those laws will be tough now. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.880 In his speech tonight, just in the past forty minutes, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.199 Peter Dutton laid out his vision for Australia. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.679 This is what he wants. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.240 His leadership to look like if he were to become 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:22.040 Prime minister. And he spoke very strongly of Australians who've 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.719 been left behind by the Labor government and who have 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.720 no longer been able to own their own homes or 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.320 even have a place to live. And here he referred 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:36.280 to another great Labor Prime Minister, Paul Keating and Treasurer 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.280 when he repeated this phrase of Keatings twice in his speech. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:45.000 He said when governments change, the country changes, and Darton 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.120 mounted the argument that Australians are now worse off less 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:54.120 safe and less secure than they were two years ago. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.840 Now I'm going to bring in my political panel now 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.240 in a moment for analysis about Peter Dutton's budget reply 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.720 speech and what this means now for the next election. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.000 Matt Canavan and Joe Kelly would join me. But also 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.920 on the show tonight, we're going to look at the 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.320 national domestic violence crisis. It is in the spotlight, but 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.480 one podcast host, a former ABC host, is highlighting the 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.320 problem around the way we should speak about it. Josh 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.760 Zepps would join me live. He's making headlines today. He'll 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:29.520 be in studio also tonight, concerns over the ABC's inability 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:34.040 to report on the explosion of anti Semitism across Australia. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.840 The former ABC director Joe Gersh will join me live. Shortly, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.840 plus officials suspend funding to a US research organization, the 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.840 EcoHealth Alliance, that was linked to funding at the Wuhan 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.920 Institute of Virology. I'm going to speak with one Washington 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.719 federal investigator later in the hour, but now let's bring 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.079 in National Senator Matt Canavan and The Australian's National Affairs 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.720 editor Joe Kelly. Welcome to you, both, Joe and Matt. Look, Matt, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.320 starting with you, this was a strong pitch from Peter 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:12.760 Darton tonight, particularly on housing, immigration and energy. Do you 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.960 think this is going to provide a clear option for 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.240 Australians whether to vote for Albanezi or Darton. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.000 Well. I think it was a very strong contribution from Peter. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.440 He has correctly diagnosed the situation in this country. The 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.080 country's clearly not on track and it's kind of off 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.240 the rails since the Labor government came to power two 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.439 years ago. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.920 People's grocery bills have gone through the roof. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.560 For mortgage payments, how to control the border doesn't seem 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:44.160 to be controlled. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.480 There's just enormous numbers of people coming over here. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.480 People can't find a house, that alone, buy a house 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.520 just finding a bed. I meaning is something has gone 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.120 seriously wrong in this country over the past two years. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.680 And I think the important thing to know is Peter's 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.880 not just diagnosed that. He's also outlined some very strong 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.040 treatments that the coalition would do, like banning foreigners from 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.320 buying homes for a couple of years, like significantly cutting 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.800 back on those migration numbers that have been allowed to 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.800 grow by too much. Stronger penalties for crime as well. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:17.719 These are the sort of things we do need to 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.319 being a government focused on the local issues. I think 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.240 we've had a government the last couple of years that 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:28.840 has been distracted with the global preoccupations of an elite 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.200 class that want to see massive climate change action, that 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.160 want to see open borders, that want to drive device 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.720 of proposals like the Voice, whereas Peter speech is very 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.640 much pitched I think at the hearth of the home 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.480 of every Australian's home about giving people opportunity to get 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.800 into a home, to be able to pay the bills 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.079 in that home, to feel safe and secure in that home, 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.280 and ultimately then build and support a great family in 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:58.000 the home as well. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.120 Joe Kelly, you know, I'm really interested in your analysis 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.320 of this speech because to me, very clearly that wasn't 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:06.560 a budget apply speech. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.640 That was a pitch for the Prime ministership. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:11.480 A Sherry. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.760 I think it was a punchy and political speech from 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.800 Peter Dutton. I think he's trying to really draw some 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:25.960 larger contrasts between himself and Anthony Albanezi his philosophy and 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:32.120 Labour's philosophy. Labor is talking about big, sweeping, transformational change. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:37.400 Jim Chalmers is talking about forging an entirely new economy, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.240 turning Australia into a renewable energy superpower. They're saying the 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.480 changes the world are going through are the most significant 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.600 since the Industrial Revolution. Peter Dutton is thinking smaller and 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.200 simpler in a way, and as Matt said, he's thinking 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.800 more about the issues that a family would be talking 0:13:55.840 --> 0:14:02.200 about around the kitchen table. This is the cost of living, energy, migration, housing, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.920 law and order, and so that's what he's focused on 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.880 in the budget reply. I think we got a little 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:13.400 more detail on housing and migration. But the other thing 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:18.880 is he's really called out the budget with a very 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:23.360 strong attack. He says it fails two tests. Essentially, he's 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.880 saying it's wrong for the times. He's saying fails the 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:31.400 inflation challenge. But secondly he's put a big stake right 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.240 through the heart of the Future Made in Australia agenda, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.640 rejecting those thirteen point six billion dollars for production tax 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.040 credits for green hydrogen and critical minerals. So those political 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.280 battle lines have been really emphasized and entrenched tonight by 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:46.920 Peter Dutton. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.800 I mean Matt Canavan. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.880 Dutton has put energy firmly on the table, you know, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.440 he said, yes, renewables have a place, but he's not 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.360 interested in there's thirteen billion dollars the subsidies for the 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.200 lack of green hydrogen and cleaner minerals. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.360 And he's also said that. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.520 We need nuclear in the mix and we need more 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.240 gas production. Do you think this is going to open 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:15.640 up again, particularly in the teal seats there's climate change battle. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.520 Well, shure, I think most people around the country are 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.040 just worried about paying their bills right now, and they 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.120 would include lots of people in the teal seats too. Yes, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.680 those seats tend to have higher than average incomes. But 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.240 everybody has been feeling the pinch across Australia in the 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.880 past couple of years. I mean, real wages under this 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.760 government have gone backwards ten years over ten just over 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.240 ten years. We're back to levels of wages we haven't 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.280 seen since twenty eleven. And so everybody is feeling the 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.080 pinch right now. And I'll riff off what Joe said 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:50.480 as well, that Future made an Australia program. It's really 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.560 been designed in the boardrooms, the corporate boardrooms of this 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:58.520 country directly gives subsidies to some of the largest corporations 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.760 in our nation. Whereas what Peter's trying to design here, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.680 only what the coalition will take the next selection, is 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.200 something that helps people around their kitchen table pay their 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.840 power bills. Because what good is installing eighty two percent 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.160 of renewables in Australia if people can't afford to pay 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:15.360 for it. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.360 That's the path we're on right now. We need to 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.440 get a better balance into our energy system. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.720 And even myself, I mean I'll be doing mischaracterized lots, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.080 but I've always said there's a role for renewables in 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.840 our system. It's just about finding the right balance. An 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.200 eighty two percent of our power system coming from types 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.320 of power that dependent on the weather is not the 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.680 right approach. We have to install power options which can 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.360 be there all the time so that people's bills can 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.040 be lower all of the time as well. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.560 Yeah, look, it's going to be a fascinating fight. This 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.160 gives us a fight, gives us something to talk about. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.920 Matt Canavan, Joe Kelly, thank you very much for joining 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.080 me with that analysis. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:50.360 There. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.840 Now, don't go anywhere. We've got a Big Show tonight. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.120 I've still got Steve Price, I've got Jason Morrison coming up. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.440 Josh Zepp's, the former ABC host, will join me live, 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.600 plus the former ABC director Joe Gersh and he's scathing 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.480 about why it's taken Sky News to do a documentary 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:12.679 Josh Fridenberg into antisemitism and not the public broadcaster. Stay tuned, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:19.720 Big Show this hour, Welcome back. Okay, we're going to 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.720 come back to the budget reply speech in a moment. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.280 Josh Zepp's will also join me live. But first now 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.679 to our public broadcaster. Now, we've seen sickening displays of 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.679 anti Semitism in Australia on campuses, in companies and on 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:38.040 the streets. It's a major story unfolding in our country 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.280 right now at crisis point. Yet the ABC has failed 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.119 to cover it in any meaningful way. Instead, the public 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.640 broadcaster is happy to delve into the subject of Islamophobia 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.240 and provide a platform to people like Anthony Lowenstein, who 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.520 has called for a one state solution. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.120 Seeing what has happened to Gaza since October seventh has 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.040 been heartbreaking. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.040 I'm so ashamed. I'm so ashamed because it's been done 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:10.320 in my. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.240 Name and I think it's important that Jews or non 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.600 Jews are really challenged on what they're backing. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.840 The ABC also produced a four corners piece on the war, 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.040 led by John Lyons, who's been very critical of Israel, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:33.320 including claiming that Australia's support of Israel is illogical and unhealthy. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.600 If you were a Palestinian living in the West Bank 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.440 or Gaza, what would your view be of Israel? 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.360 I would fight against Israel in order to achieve my liberty? 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:46.880 How would you fight? 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.080 How dirty? 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.800 I will do everything in order to achieve my liberty. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:54.520 And that's it. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.920 So where's the ABC's documentary on anti Semitism that's risen 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.439 and by over seven hundred percent since October the seventh. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.159 As Peter Dutton just spoke about tonight. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.800 It's shameful that the public broadcaster hasn't examined this topic 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.480 and it's left to us at Sky News and former 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:19.080 Treasurer Josh Fredenberg to produce the only substantial documentary on 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.159 this subject to date. Now I put questions to the 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.000 ABC on this. I asked them that separate from Islamophobia, 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.200 and separate from whether anti Semitism and anti Zionism are 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.879 indistinguishable because. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:32.439 They have covered that. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.560 Has the ABC covered the story of the explosion in 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.280 anti semitism in Australia this year on any of their 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.639 flagship programs. Now they just directed me to the search 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:47.200 results page on the ABC's news website, which showed nothing 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.679 of substance. Now, the former ABC director Joe Gersh is 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.040 calling this out and he joins me, Now, Joe, what 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.920 do you think of the ABC failing to properly examin 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.879 this crisis that we're seeing in Australia. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.240 Well, good evening, Shari. As you know, I'm a supporter 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.000 of the ABC, or at least the supporter of a strong, 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:17.479 independent and impartial ABC as a critical part of our 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.760 national conversation. I was a director for a period of 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:26.000 five years. I saw the promotion that you had last 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:31.600 week of Josh Friedenberg's documentary and the commentary that you've 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:39.200 made at that time and subsequently, and I observed independently 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:44.119 of you and put on social media. My concern, which 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.119 is why has it fallen to Sky News and Josh. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.520 That's not a criticism of Sky News or Josh, but 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.439 it is a matter of deep concern to me as 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.160 a member of the Jewish community, as a former ABC 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.919 director and as an Australian citizen, that our national broadcaster 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.600 has not fully understood and dealt with what I believe 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.680 has reached crisis proportion, which is anti Semitism in this country. 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.560 But Charie, I might just say that I think that 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:25.880 even since you announced Josh's documentary and called this to light, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.719 I think we've reached an inflection point in the public 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:34.200 conversation about anti Semitism. The Prime Minister said this week 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.879 that this is the worst that he's seen in his lifetime. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.680 We had the Leader of the Opposition's speech tonight which 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:52.119 you referred to earlier. You had the Senate today passer motion, 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.600 a bipartisan motion which said that from the River to 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.879 the Sea, which is the mantra of the Harmas supporters 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.680 and many of the Palestinian supporters, is offensive, is anti Semitic, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.120 and is out of place. We've had Vice chancellors some 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.240 come out and say what's going on on campus is 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:16.040 outrageous and unacceptable. So the conversation is moving and moving quickly. 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.440 But I find it deeply disappointing that the ABC didn't 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.280 lead this conversation and hasn't really joined in. 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:23.520 On it. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:25.600 Now, Joe. 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.280 Look, we've spoken and done interviews a lot of times 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.920 in the past, and you were often on the other 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.480 side defending the ABC from accusations of vias. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.200 And I think the issue is if you. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:41.800 Look at any one piece of ABC content that people 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.600 complain about, it can be defended. You can say, oh, 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.240 well there was balance in any one piece of content. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:48.880 We gave a voice to this one, and we gave 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:49.440 a voice. 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:49.919 To this one. 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.720 But I think the issue is the overall subjects that 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.280 they're covering and what they're not covering. So what we're 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.840 seeing here is that they're not covering this crisis. 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:01.720 I mean, do you think it's a case I. 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.200 Mean you've been there, Joe, You've been in the room, 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.520 You've sat at the board table, You've pushed back on 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.000 some of these issues. Do you think it's a case 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:14.040 of the people who work at the ABC not caring 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.800 about the Jewish community? Do you think they are more 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:17.800 pro Palestinian? 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:19.080 Is that what it is? 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.280 Well, yes, I've been in the room as a director, 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.160 although as you know, the directors of the ABC don't 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.879 run editorial content. I've also been in the room my 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.960 hotel room in Tel Aviv when three hundred cruise missiles, 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:49.159 drones and other projectiles were flung at Israel, thankfully unsuccessfully. 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.399 I visited down south and saw what Hamas got up to. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:56.320 So I've been in not only in the room at 0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:01.080 the ABC, but in the room dealing with dealing with 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:06.719