Speaker 1: Approach production.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to our Little Lady. We've been waiting to
Speaker 2: record this episode for some time. In January twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: we headed back into Saint Helen's for the first time
Speaker 2: in almost two years. The last time we left, we
Speaker 2: felt uneasy. Maybe it was just us, but there was
Speaker 2: a strange feeling about that town. This time, driving in
Speaker 2: it was different. I was by myself and looking forward
Speaker 2: to meeting Jackie Lamby and seeing Jason and Amanda face
Speaker 2: to face. As I drove out of my accommodation the
Speaker 2: next day, I had to pass the Fisherman's Memorial, the
Speaker 2: park where Eden was found. As I get over this
Speaker 2: hill here, i'll approach a small bridge. On my right
Speaker 2: hand side as the bay a lot of fishing boats,
Speaker 2: and then on the left is the Fisherman Memorial Park,
Speaker 2: which is also the memorial for Edon Westbrook. It was
Speaker 2: about seven am and I stopped at the wharf to
Speaker 2: walk around. I noticed while walking a lot of rope
Speaker 2: lying around, seemingly abandoned. I jumped back in the car
Speaker 2: and then drove past the place where Eden used to
Speaker 2: work Banjo's Good Arriving at Jason and Amanda's place. Jason
Speaker 2: was out mowing tidying the front yard while Amanda was
Speaker 2: putting out coffee and snacks. The first thing I saw
Speaker 2: was the new house, the building at the back of
Speaker 2: the shed. So just got to Jason and Amanda's house.
Speaker 2: Dogs are going crazy. Jason's on the mower on the
Speaker 2: front of the moro. I've just noticed as a sticker,
Speaker 2: which is the sticker we mentioned in one of the
Speaker 2: episodes a little while ago. Now, let's go and say
Speaker 2: hi to everyone. Hello puppies. For a family that suffered
Speaker 2: so much over the last ten years, it's nice to
Speaker 2: see how excited they are about building this new home.
Speaker 2: So we've got filtered water views through there. I have
Speaker 2: good that's the bedroom up that end.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's a big five and a half plus seven.
Speaker 3: And a half.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's massive.
Speaker 3: With an on suite with a two point one eighteen
Speaker 3: hundred window. So it's just fixed window that you look
Speaker 3: out great and just a kitchen and a living dining.
Speaker 2: I can't help thinking about how proud Eden would have
Speaker 2: been of a mum and dad, just like her siblings are.
Speaker 2: While we're chatting about the house, Jackie Lambi and her
Speaker 2: team drive up the dirt driveway. It's not the first
Speaker 2: time she's been to Jason and Amanda's. Jackie and I
Speaker 2: sit around the table with a small team plus a
Speaker 2: cameraman who's filming for an upcoming piece of content. In
Speaker 2: the background, just behind us, there are pictures of Eden
Speaker 2: and the other kids, including some in Defense Force uniforms,
Speaker 2: something Jackie knows all about. Jackie, how are you going,
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, mate. How long have you been in
Speaker 2: Tassi for this time around? As have been in Tazi. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's been nice.
Speaker 3: I haven't been in a plane, I don't think until
Speaker 3: since the tenth of December, so it's been very very nice.
Speaker 1: I do a road trip twice a year, yep.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm way at the road all the time anyway,
Speaker 3: but trying to do one half because it takes about
Speaker 3: nine or ten days. So we're just coming off that
Speaker 3: and done that, which has been beautiful because the weather
Speaker 3: it's been spectacular down here, and everybody's out and about.
Speaker 3: Because I don't everybody knows how am I don't put
Speaker 3: a jacket on, so I'm not politically out there, so
Speaker 3: people are happy to say, oh.
Speaker 1: Get here, are you going?
Speaker 3: In the caravan park, and if you if you had
Speaker 3: a liberal labor party going through there, they're going what
Speaker 3: the hell are they doing at he so actually get
Speaker 3: away with that a little bit, which I'm really grateful for.
Speaker 2: Did you grew up in Tazzi's, Tazzy Girl? Did you
Speaker 2: spend any time in Saint Helen's as a kid? No?
Speaker 3: Ours was all up on the Northwest coast. So we've
Speaker 3: got guns, planes, river, we've got we used a lot
Speaker 3: of camping out at Portsourel, Hawley Way, that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: We'd have forty of us out there during the Christmas
Speaker 3: and then a lot of my Christmas holidays once I
Speaker 3: hit about nine or ten. We're down the West coast
Speaker 3: because my mum was one of twenty one Wow yeah,
Speaker 3: very busy little family. No TV back then, mate, no
Speaker 3: electricity anyway. So if her brothers weren't mining down the
Speaker 3: West coast, they were married to minus. So we'd spent
Speaker 3: a lot of time. So that's why I'm very, very
Speaker 3: fond of the West Coast. When it comes to Rosebury
Speaker 3: tallor Queenstown, that sort of thing. A lot of politicians
Speaker 3: won't go and visit them. I love going down there.
Speaker 2: How did it happen from moving from school into the
Speaker 2: Defense Force. What was that about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really lucky.
Speaker 3: I took a gap year and went to the Northern
Speaker 3: Territory and worked to Catherine for twelve months, spent twelve
Speaker 3: months off and on at the Catherine Hotel.
Speaker 1: Motel.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty full place. You're going to get life experience.
Speaker 3: Go to Catherine Hotel. Back then, it was still the
Speaker 3: Black sat in the bar. I mean that was in
Speaker 3: That was in eighty eight. That was going on. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know it isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, still didn't have
Speaker 3: them in their having county mills. So for me that
Speaker 3: was a wake up call. I'm really grateful because I
Speaker 3: learned a lot about the indigenous living up there. So
Speaker 3: that's one of my I really love getting at them,
Speaker 3: to those indigenous communities.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: So It's funny how when you do things in life,
Speaker 3: it comes back and you go, actually, I'm glad I
Speaker 3: did all of that because it's an interest I have
Speaker 3: in politics.
Speaker 1: That settled me down a bit because.
Speaker 3: On my girlfriends had left year twelve and I was
Speaker 3: actually going back and I studied really really hard. That
Speaker 3: sort of settled me down and then I did start
Speaker 3: getting in that wrong crowd, and we just happened to
Speaker 3: be going down to Sencilink because two of my girlfriends
Speaker 3: by looking for jobs. And I call it the Kermit
Speaker 3: the frog bus because it used to be a green
Speaker 3: army bus running around then trying to recruit people.
Speaker 1: And we all.
Speaker 3: Decided we were going to that seat. We're going to
Speaker 3: be g I Jack's or g I Jane's and we
Speaker 3: all went into it and we're all going to sign up.
Speaker 3: So I signed up first. They got their clipboard to
Speaker 3: sign and then did a run around me. So when
Speaker 3: I said, actually I don't want to join, he said,
Speaker 3: you'll be right, sweaty, you'll survive it.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's Saturdays. I was in within about.
Speaker 2: Twelve weeks straight in as a grunt wheel or.
Speaker 3: The Australians and one went into the transport drive. And
Speaker 3: my dad was a truck driver for many many years,
Speaker 3: fifty years of his life.
Speaker 1: So for me it was in my blood.
Speaker 3: I was sitting on Daz's and when I was six
Speaker 3: months old, you know the steering wheel that, so for
Speaker 3: me it was second nature.
Speaker 1: So I did that.
Speaker 3: My two friends went through her. They've had you know,
Speaker 3: drug and Acco whole problems. They've had men in and
Speaker 3: out of jail. It's been really awful to watch to
Speaker 3: watch what's their lives evolved in. Things settled now they've
Speaker 3: got a bit older, a bit worn out. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so my life took a very very different avenue to
Speaker 3: what theirs did.
Speaker 1: So I've always been grateful it was meant to be
Speaker 1: for me to sign up that day.
Speaker 2: Over my right shoulder. There's a whole bunch of pictures
Speaker 2: on the wall of the Westbrook clan and a lot
Speaker 2: of them are dressed in military because they're part of
Speaker 2: the Defense Force. How much has that connected you to
Speaker 2: the Westbrooks.
Speaker 3: Well, that's how I got connected in the first place. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: So we were helping one of the kids out with
Speaker 3: their claims and stuff like that, and so from that
Speaker 3: came that we've lost a daughter as well, and then
Speaker 3: so I started to pick that up and then I
Speaker 3: got done onto section forty four. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I just can't do anything for you guys. I've got
Speaker 3: no privilege. I've got to know nothing. I have to
Speaker 3: step out and win my seat back section forty four.
Speaker 3: Section forty four is because I had Scottish heritage, and
Speaker 3: I hadn't renounced because my granddad and my dad had
Speaker 3: come through, and my granddad and my dad never renounced.
Speaker 1: During that period of time, I got stuck with it
Speaker 1: as well. So I was a dual citizen.
Speaker 2: And so you essentially left politics and then came back. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I left politics for nearly two years, and the TVs
Speaker 3: were very lovely to me.
Speaker 1: I got to do celebrity. Get me out of here. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: get I I'm about to go to the jungle. I'm
Speaker 1: so looking forward to it. I'm quite excited about going
Speaker 1: in there. So I wish me the best of luck,
Speaker 1: and I'll see you when I get back from the jungle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did go back to where you come from.
Speaker 3: That sort of kept me going. I think out of that,
Speaker 3: I was able to earn about sixty grand over that
Speaker 3: two years, and I used I was two or three
Speaker 3: years up in my house payments, so I diluted that
Speaker 3: right down over that two years. And then I think
Speaker 3: I spent about seventy grand to win my seatback after
Speaker 3: two years.
Speaker 1: And Dad and I would just.
Speaker 3: Be in an old van going round and ran around
Speaker 3: with Jackie Lamby all over it because I just don't
Speaker 3: come from a family with money.
Speaker 2: So what is it about politics that you love?
Speaker 3: I think for me, for politics that I love is
Speaker 3: just bringing the injustices out because apparently there's lack of
Speaker 3: courage up there. I think when you go through something
Speaker 3: that I went through, where I had to fight a
Speaker 3: government department, and I realized going through that for ten
Speaker 3: or eleven years, I worked out very early on in
Speaker 3: two thousand and the only way I was going to
Speaker 3: be able to help veterans of myself is I need
Speaker 3: to be inside the pie. I had no idea about politics.
Speaker 3: I had no idea between the lower House and the
Speaker 3: upper House. But what I did is I needed a
Speaker 3: lot less numbers to get in that cent and the
Speaker 3: only way we were going to crack this is one
Speaker 3: of U squat in there and didn't belong to a
Speaker 3: major party.
Speaker 1: That's all I knew. I knew that back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, and.
Speaker 3: Then it took me another ten years to actually get there.
Speaker 3: So my journey I ended up in a psich unit.
Speaker 3: I ended up walking out in front of a car.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and nine. I was on a lot
Speaker 3: of pharmaceuticals. I was heavily drugged for many years as
Speaker 3: I lot, because it's the only way I could control
Speaker 3: the pain. I had no life whatsoever. My life was
Speaker 3: just being making sure my boys were fed. That was
Speaker 3: my daily routine because I just the pain was unbearable.
Speaker 3: So anyways, so we dried out all of superannuation and
Speaker 3: we ended up taking all that out to try and
Speaker 3: keep the house in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: So I had nothing left.
Speaker 3: So when I walked into politics at forty four, I
Speaker 3: had about four bucks in the bank, no superannuation and
Speaker 3: nothing and nothing, no house left, anything, nothing, that was it.
Speaker 1: That's all I had. In the clothes on my back.
Speaker 3: For the first three months I was in politics, I
Speaker 3: was wearing clothes from Venice and the Second and the opshops.
Speaker 1: That's how I survived.
Speaker 2: There's one thing you notice when you're talking to Jackie.
Speaker 2: She's a fighter. She's not the traditional politician. There's no
Speaker 2: airs or graces, no hauling punches, and that's why she's
Speaker 2: one of Australia's most popular politicians right now. She doesn't
Speaker 2: come from money or privilege and I sort of see
Speaker 2: similarities between her life and Jason and Amanda's. Jackie, like
Speaker 2: Amanda is feisty when it comes to right versus wrong.
Speaker 1: There is nothing that I hate more than cover up,
Speaker 1: especially dealing with the militey. Over time. We just come
Speaker 1: out of a Royal commission el because of the cover ups.
Speaker 2: That go on.
Speaker 3: I've seen that as being military police. I know how
Speaker 3: it works in there. Oh my god, if you want
Speaker 3: to cover it up, she's in the institution, she'll get
Speaker 3: covered up.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's all.
Speaker 3: About what's the right thing. I was brought up to
Speaker 3: know right from wrong. You know, not to steal, not
Speaker 3: to lie, and that's what it is. It's just a
Speaker 3: bloody cover up up there. Disgust me. It's an institution.
Speaker 3: Anything that's institutional, whether it's our universities, whether it's defense,
Speaker 3: whether it's politics. All right, those people come institution and
Speaker 3: what they do is that the first thing that they're taught,
Speaker 3: especially the hierarchy, is cover the institutions asked at all costs,
Speaker 3: at all costs. Doesn't matter whether you're taking people's lives,
Speaker 3: you will cover the institution's ass at all costs. Nah,
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, when it comes to people's lives.
Speaker 3: If I can't wake up and put the boxing gloves
Speaker 3: on first thing in the morning, before I do anything else,
Speaker 3: before I even go to the toilet.
Speaker 1: Then I'm not in politics. Those boxing gloves have got
Speaker 1: to come in and they've got to be on first
Speaker 1: thing in the morning.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's great not to belong to those
Speaker 3: major parties and come out bear to fight for people
Speaker 3: without any restrictions. And I had no restriction. I tell you,
Speaker 3: if I believe there's an injustice done and I can
Speaker 3: watch that family hurting and those people around them, I'm
Speaker 3: going to fight like a bitch. That's what I do
Speaker 3: until I get the bloody answers. And I can smell
Speaker 3: it because I was in military police. She can smell it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm around people all the time. You got, yeah, something's
Speaker 3: not right here. It's your bullshit radar, and it needs
Speaker 3: to be up all the time. The longer run politics,
Speaker 3: a better it gets.
Speaker 2: Jackie first met Jason and Amanda when she was helping
Speaker 2: with the family and a private matter that we won't
Speaker 2: discuss here, but I wanted to know why, specifically she
Speaker 2: dug into the case of Enan Westbrook.
Speaker 3: I think when I looked at it, the first thing
Speaker 3: I thought, that's interesting because a young person that age
Speaker 3: doesn't hang themselves, Veterans hang themselves, first responders hang themselves.
Speaker 1: A lot of people will jump, and those.
Speaker 3: Kids usually cut their wrists, all taken overdose. And my
Speaker 3: other thing was, gee, that's a clever little girl to
Speaker 3: tie that around. How hell did she get up that tree?
Speaker 3: It just didn't make sense of just none of it did,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't get the answers that I needed. So
Speaker 3: for me, I backed off that a little bit. And
Speaker 3: then some other people come into the game. Because I
Speaker 3: only got so many people and I've got so many
Speaker 3: jobs to it, they'll relive very heavily on them getting
Speaker 3: that evidence for me. And then I use my political
Speaker 3: power to go even further and go roll, Well, you
Speaker 3: do the RTI out for me or thefo Y out
Speaker 3: for me, because you know where it is. So I'm
Speaker 3: doing this. I'm playing the person in between. Something stunk
Speaker 3: about this whole case. I'm sorry, but me having that
Speaker 3: military police experience for five years, I thought things don't
Speaker 3: add up.
Speaker 1: And where's the rope? Where's the autopsy farers.
Speaker 3: We're the only state where these people can't say I
Speaker 3: want those autopsy photos. It's absolutely disgusting. I've got guy
Speaker 3: Barnett down there the AG which is about as much
Speaker 3: help as a wet paper bag.
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of time for him at all.
Speaker 1: That makes me anngry, and that makes me fight even more.
Speaker 1: Just get the autopsy photos and pass the bastards over.
Speaker 3: I can see you wasting time because I'm going to
Speaker 3: come down on you like a bloody bitch anyway.
Speaker 1: And That's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: And I'm not giving this up until I find and
Speaker 3: I reckon we're about this close. Was also the kids now,
Speaker 3: speaking to the kids, and then when Edy passonated go
Speaker 3: and put the makeup and that on, and you know,
Speaker 3: just that they noticed the bruising on her and the
Speaker 3: broken teeth and all that.
Speaker 1: That was the clature for me, So no, something's wrong here.
Speaker 3: First all I couldn't understand how you get up the
Speaker 3: bloody story with this bloody rope, how she learned how
Speaker 3: to tie these things. What I could see about the
Speaker 3: investigation was from me that they got there, they went,
Speaker 3: she hung herself. That's the investigation over. They didn't look
Speaker 3: at anything else. You know, I still don't know where
Speaker 3: the forensics are off the rope. That rope to me
Speaker 3: is the clinch of the rope and the top. We
Speaker 3: need to look at those autopsy photos and I need
Speaker 3: that rope, and we still don't know where the rope is.
Speaker 3: And the more pressure on them, you keep putting pressure
Speaker 3: on these people, what happens is the institution starts to
Speaker 3: fall apart because one of them will go, shit, I'm
Speaker 3: not going down with this.
Speaker 1: I'm not going down this. I'm going to go and
Speaker 1: spilm my guts. That's where I want it.
Speaker 2: Last night, on the opening night of the Senate, Jackie
Speaker 2: Lamby spoke again under parliamentary privilege about Eden's case.
Speaker 3: There's been all ten years since much Love fifteen year
Speaker 3: old Eden Westbrook was found hanging in a park in
Speaker 3: Saint Helen's, Tasmania. Ten years since the police told her
Speaker 3: family that she had taken her own life. Ten long
Speaker 3: years for the Westbrook family fighting through their grief to
Speaker 3: search for answers. The police said it was suicide, but
Speaker 3: the evidence that Edie was murdered just keeps stacking up.
Speaker 3: As I stated in my speeches in July November last year,
Speaker 3: this whole coast stinks to high heaven of incompetence. The
Speaker 3: ongoing failure to provide the autopsy photos to Amanda and
Speaker 3: her husband, Joseph Westbrook so that we can have them
Speaker 3: independently scrutinizes frankly shocking. What are they trying to hide,
Speaker 3: especially in the light of evidence from Edie's sisters who
Speaker 3: applied makeup to Eden before she was cremated that she
Speaker 3: had facial bruising and shattered teeth, evidence which flies in
Speaker 3: the face of the comments by the Chief Magistrate in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two of Tasmania there were no signs of
Speaker 3: trauma to Eden, according.
Speaker 1: To her Jesus. Then there were the inquiries by the Ridgewater.
Speaker 3: Police some months after Eden's death with a key witness,
Speaker 3: Kim Woodcock, as to whether she noticed marks on Eden's wrists.
Speaker 1: It was apparently suggested.
Speaker 3: That Eden's hands may have been tied behind her back,
Speaker 3: makes it very difficult to hang yourself. Then there is
Speaker 3: what appears at this stage to be the complete failure
Speaker 3: took a secure and preserve the.
Speaker 1: Evidence never seen anything like in my time.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the rope that Eden supposedly used.
Speaker 1: In any case like this, the body and the rope.
Speaker 3: Are the two most crucial pieces of evidence.
Speaker 1: Repeater requests to.
Speaker 3: The Tasmanian Police and the Police Minister.
Speaker 1: Have failed miserably to provide any.
Speaker 3: Information about the location and the status of the rope.
Speaker 1: The Right to information.
Speaker 3: Forensic documents suggests that police quickly decided.
Speaker 1: That Eden's death was a suicide.
Speaker 3: Nothing to see here because she had rope fibers in
Speaker 3: her hands. Seriously, go and do your investigations properly, and
Speaker 3: because Amanda Westbrook said that the rope was from a
Speaker 3: craypot at.
Speaker 1: Their home, except that Amanda says she never this.
Speaker 3: And it's not in the statements, although she may have
Speaker 3: commented that it was similar color to the ropes at
Speaker 3: their place and couldn't rote fibers in Eden's hands also
Speaker 3: be indication of struggle and murder. The police never followed
Speaker 3: up on this issue of the rope with the west Books,
Speaker 3: nor nor did they disceal the evidence. You didn't go
Speaker 3: across the road to the wharf where all.
Speaker 1: That rope is. You never even across that road. You
Speaker 1: didn't do your evidence properly. Her mom and dad until
Speaker 1: twelve days after their daughter. It appears they.
Speaker 3: Didn't check the nearby wolves like I've said, which was
Speaker 3: straight across the ropes ropes everywhere.
Speaker 1: Eden's case, the death of a child, a young and
Speaker 1: intelligent woman, and what should have.
Speaker 3: Been a highly suspicious circumstances, involves an unbelievably flawed police
Speaker 3: investigation like nothing I have ever come across in my life,
Speaker 3: and poor use of intelligence, multiple forensic failures, including unaccredited
Speaker 3: forensic services, inadequate investigate investiative reviews, including a review by
Speaker 3: Saint Helen's police officer following a form referral from the
Speaker 3: Commission of Inquiry into Sexual Abuse in early twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three after whistleblower nominated a person of interest and an
Speaker 3: actual suspect in Eden's death, and no written statements were
Speaker 3: taken from that person either. And the tasmane in Coroner's
Speaker 3: Act ninety ninety five is simply not fit for purpose.
Speaker 3: It's not even possible for our Attorney General, the first
Speaker 3: law officer in Tasmania, to intervene in extraordinary circumstances like
Speaker 3: this and direct an inquest into this case.
Speaker 1: With the only state that does this. By the way,
Speaker 1: we're bloody miles.
Speaker 3: Behind a compromised and corrupted coronial system with a dishonest
Speaker 3: pedophile cop involved, who was a coroner's associate and who
Speaker 3: had regular direction and oversight of the matter. For austrainers
Speaker 3: who may not have been following Eden's story, please go
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Speaker 3: Reynolds was a pedophile policeman who was groomed and who's
Speaker 3: groomed and abused children.
Speaker 1: Of cost TASM for over thirty years. He was in
Speaker 1: your uniform Tasmanian Police. And you had your eyes closed
Speaker 1: for thirty years. And you want me to trust have
Speaker 1: done this properly. Oh, you can't be serious. And despite
Speaker 1: the damning evidence of criminal behavior, Reynolds was given an
Speaker 1: official state funeral, official state funeral only in the last
Speaker 1: few years, with all the trimmings, including a glowing eulogy
Speaker 1: from the then placed commissioner. What an absolute shocker.
Speaker 3: And in twenty twenty three the Tasmane government commissioned the
Speaker 3: Wis report, but despite detailed submissions from the rest Brooks
Speaker 3: and their former lawyer, and the matter clearly falling within
Speaker 3: the terms of reference in this case and family concerns
Speaker 3: about reynolds official role were not even mentioned in the
Speaker 3: final report.
Speaker 1: It absolutely blows me away. It's like, you don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with this down he will deal with it
Speaker 1: because I'm here. I'm dealing with it. And I want
Speaker 1: to know if any of the seven current or former Tasmanian.
Speaker 3: Police officers referred by the Wives Review for investigation concerning chrials,
Speaker 3: sex abuse or dreaming ever worked in that Saint Helen's area.
Speaker 1: I want to know.
Speaker 3: Surely you can answer that by breakfast. I want to
Speaker 3: know if someone has been allowed to get away with murder.
Speaker 3: The recent decision of Coroner Robert Webster in the Helen
Speaker 3: birdcase in Tasmania where it was found without an inquest,
Speaker 3: that Helen diet of a phixia due to hanging. This
Speaker 3: is the same coroner, the same coroner that made the
Speaker 3: decision about.
Speaker 1: Eidan's case incompetency.
Speaker 3: But further pressure brought by Helen Bird's family has found
Speaker 3: that in fact Helen was murdered that's right, and her death.
Speaker 1: Was staged to make it look like suicide.
Speaker 3: Helen Bird's case had the same forensic officers as Eden,
Speaker 3: who failed to take any measurements to the rope, all
Speaker 3: the latter from the birdcase, samples from the rope for
Speaker 3: DNA testing, all fingerprints.
Speaker 1: That's where we're at. This is a boxed investigation.
Speaker 3: At the very least, the police had clearly decided from
Speaker 3: the start that Eden had hang herself. Nothing else to see.
Speaker 3: That was it, end of story. You didn't even look
Speaker 3: to see if what it was murder. You'd made your
Speaker 3: mind up. She's hung herself.
Speaker 1: That's eat. Everything else is off the table.
Speaker 3: They didn't interview critical witnesses and purtises of interests.
Speaker 1: They didn't ask for.
Speaker 3: Eden's mobile phone or check her social media accout ounce
Speaker 3: to understand her state of mind, or to check whether
Speaker 3: or not she was being grooined or abused. In reference
Speaker 3: to the ongoing saga surrounding autopsy photos, there is now
Speaker 3: the critical issue of the rope, the missing rope. In
Speaker 3: the absence of the coronial file and relevant statement, not
Speaker 3: much as publicly known about the rope in Eding's case.
Speaker 3: You didn't bag and tag it, and you didn't take
Speaker 3: forensics that we know you failed. I've written to the
Speaker 3: Chief Magistrate asking for access to this critical documentation. Police
Speaker 3: must be out there absolutely going around in circles about
Speaker 3: this rope because this is it.
Speaker 1: The rope has to be there somewhere.
Speaker 3: It is also not mentioned in any sale of the
Speaker 3: Chief Magistrate's decision not to reopen the investigation in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two. In fact, it is stated that there is
Speaker 3: no available evidence to the origin of the rope.
Speaker 1: That rope's got to be there. It's got to be there.
Speaker 3: The emphasis is on the available evidence, which makes me
Speaker 3: think that the rope had not been secured by the coroners,
Speaker 3: Associate Paul Reynolds or investigating police as an exhibit. You
Speaker 3: failed to pick up an exhibit, the most important exhibit
Speaker 3: in the case, and you failed to bag and tag it.
Speaker 1: You failed. The rope is simply said to have been
Speaker 1: ten or twelve millimeters in diameter. Bag and tag, bag
Speaker 1: and tag. You didn't do it.
Speaker 3: The RTI information reveals the rope was not secured by
Speaker 3: police as an exhibit. The unexhibit recorded was the seat
Speaker 3: of ten figure prets for Eden m a man of Restbrook,
Speaker 3: denies that she advised police on the ourthe in February
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen at the scene that the source of the
Speaker 3: rope was a Craypot wrote from their home. The right
Speaker 3: of information documents that my office has received does not
Speaker 3: show any corroborating documentary evidence that Amanda Restbooks said that.
Speaker 1: And if she did say that, you didn't.
Speaker 3: Take the samples of the rope from the Westbrooks either.
Speaker 1: You failed to even go and do your job at
Speaker 1: the rest Books. You failed to try and max the rope.
Speaker 1: You failed visably in this investigation. This is really bad.
Speaker 3: Eden's youngest sister, Sky and her brother Dante are speaking
Speaker 3: out of gathering for Eden on the lawns of Parliament
Speaker 3: House in Novat.
Speaker 1: Sky's who in her third year of law at UTAs.
Speaker 3: She's taken Lord fight for her sister and you go,
Speaker 3: girl and she'll be concentrating on her studies instead. She
Speaker 3: like her parents and siblings, are still fighting for truth
Speaker 3: and justice for poor little Leading. Imagine that your own
Speaker 3: sister has gone back to do a LRD agree to
Speaker 3: say I don't believe this, and if I don't do it,
Speaker 3: she'll do it herself.
Speaker 1: That's where she is.
Speaker 3: This is the ambitious side of this family, that one
Speaker 3: of their kids is gone to study law in a
Speaker 3: third year, smashing it like you wouldn't believe, and this
Speaker 3: is where we're at.
Speaker 1: We're all coming for you. We're all gone ho. I've
Speaker 1: got her back, and I will.
Speaker 3: Not stop until the family has answers. The Attorney General
Speaker 3: in Tasmania. I want to ever talk to you, guy Barnett,
Speaker 3: because you promised me before Christmas time that you would
Speaker 3: change the law. You would make changes in the first
Speaker 3: sitting weeks that is in March in Tasmania, changes source
Speaker 3: so we can get those autopsy photos. I want to
Speaker 3: make sure Tasmanians understand that that is a promise that
Speaker 3: I was given from the Attorney General, and so were
Speaker 3: the Westbrooks, the family. So I want to see that
Speaker 3: legislation going through in March. I want to see those
Speaker 3: autopsy photos. And like I've said to the police Commissioner,
Speaker 3: I've said it outlawed very clear. If I'm wrong in
Speaker 3: this case, I'll apologize. By the way, she hasn't said
Speaker 3: the same thing back, but I would expect if I
Speaker 3: am right, she will resign effective immediately, and her counterparts.
Speaker 3: We have a problem with policing in Tasmania, all right.
Speaker 1: It's not much difference to the military, to be honest
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, because.
Speaker 3: I can assure you the leadership in there has a
Speaker 3: lot left to answer for it, not just ten years ago,
Speaker 3: but today. You might want to go and speak to
Speaker 3: your own props out there because they're not really impressed
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: Because I can assure there's plenty of them thanking me
Speaker 1: for what I'm doing because they're not happy with the
Speaker 1: leadership there. You're on very very thin.
Speaker 3: Line here, and I intend to prove what I've always
Speaker 3: been able to prove that Lee Young Edie was actually murdered.
Speaker 1: She did not hang herself.
Speaker 2: It's fired you up even more, didn't it. Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because more information care is coming in right, and
Speaker 3: it gets worse and worse and worse. Everybody of information
Speaker 3: that we get in is coming in a lot quickly
Speaker 3: now because we're getting towards the end of it.
Speaker 1: We just need those autopsy photos.
Speaker 3: So you know, God Marnack walking there and that first
Speaker 3: day changed that law, and there will be no reason
Speaker 3: why he won't get those votes. And I reckon, I'm
Speaker 3: right on the ball with if something stinks, it's been
Speaker 3: untidily dumb.
Speaker 1: The evidence was never taken properly.
Speaker 3: So every time I get new evidence says more stuff
Speaker 3: coming I'll get up and do another speech, and she
Speaker 3: she's getting closer and closer. If I was a police
Speaker 3: commissioner in Tasmaia, I'd be shooting myself, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, because I'm going to break this.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the rope. You mentioned that
Speaker 2: there was a similar case that happened a long time ago,
Speaker 2: the Helen Bird case. I know you're aware of this.
Speaker 2: The similarities between the Helen Bird case and the in
Speaker 2: Westbrook cases that there's a few. Firstly, you've asked for
Speaker 2: some RTIs. You've asked for that rope or at least
Speaker 2: has the rope been forensically tested. In the Helen Bird case,
Speaker 2: the rope was not seized, its location was unknown, it
Speaker 2: didn't exist at the time of the inquest, it hadn't
Speaker 2: been kept and they really were able to recreate the
Speaker 2: use of that rope in the Helen Bird case to
Speaker 2: be able to then decipher that hang on. There's no
Speaker 2: one in the world she could have hung herself like
Speaker 2: that with that rope. Yeah. What you're asking in the
Speaker 2: in Westbrook case as part of your submissions to the RTI,
Speaker 2: is to say where is the rope and if the
Speaker 2: rope no longer. It's just why does it no longer is?
Speaker 3: And by the way it was that you're just taken
Speaker 3: on the rope? Is that with the autopsy photos. So
Speaker 3: we need I need those autopsy photos. I need to
Speaker 3: see if there's a pack in there. Okay, but I
Speaker 3: just think from those autopsy photos, and I think if
Speaker 3: she was murdered, these people will crumble.
Speaker 1: Whoever's done that. It won't take long before you put
Speaker 1: the foot down and they start blaming each other, will
Speaker 1: just come. I just need that clinture.
Speaker 2: So the rope is critical, and the way we get
Speaker 2: to the rope is via the autopsy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the autopsy photos are critical more than anything else.
Speaker 3: I need to say. Those autopsy photos. We all do
Speaker 3: and we need to have them assessed independently. And we
Speaker 3: know somebody from the mainland that's got fresh eyes, that
Speaker 3: isn't aware of the case and needs to come down
Speaker 3: here and have a good look at it. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: not someone paid out by the Tasmanian government. I don't
Speaker 3: want to see any that shit going on because there's
Speaker 3: too much of that going politics.
Speaker 1: It needs a clear look over it. It needs clear
Speaker 1: eyes and I need somebody that isn't brought up with cash.
Speaker 2: Doctor Byron Collins is one of those people who is
Speaker 2: completely independent. He has been working with the Westbrooks for
Speaker 2: a while. He's the one that was rejected as an
Speaker 2: independent forensic pathologist to look at that information.
Speaker 1: Why would you reject somebody.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense if there is a problem
Speaker 3: and everyone's gone, oh okay, maybe we should look at that.
Speaker 1: This is a problem in this country.
Speaker 3: This is what politics has done to this country with
Speaker 3: all its cover ups and not giving whistlebliler legislation out
Speaker 3: there for people to come forward.
Speaker 2: Do you think the in Westbrook case is a Tasmanian
Speaker 2: issue or is it a national issue?
Speaker 3: Now? It's a national issue, and I can tell you
Speaker 3: now the morale through our first responders, whether it's AFP,
Speaker 3: whether it's policing, our health professionals, or whether outs our military,
Speaker 3: the leadership right across the board, across all those areas.
Speaker 1: You're shocking. It is shocking. It is absolutely shocking. This
Speaker 1: is the big problem that you have.
Speaker 3: Like I said, there are institutions they'd rather cover up
Speaker 3: than get to the truth.
Speaker 1: If somebody didn't do their job. Probably so be it okay,
Speaker 1: but please be honest with.
Speaker 3: That and deal with it, and then take the back
Speaker 3: and go, oh, you've missed this, young fellow or whatever.
Speaker 3: You didn't do your investigation properly and that needs to
Speaker 3: be fixed. But we're never going to get people to
Speaker 3: come forward do things like this if we don't open
Speaker 3: it up. And you know, instead of cover.
Speaker 2: Up, there's a lot here. What's the first step? Isn't
Speaker 2: Guy Barnett changing the rules around what the curenter can
Speaker 2: release In the Westbrook case, I'd.
Speaker 3: Say to Guy Barnett, you move your ass because I'm
Speaker 3: imagine you're going to be an election by the end
Speaker 3: of the year and you ain't getting back.
Speaker 1: In big boy.
Speaker 3: And if he doesn't realize the harm that he's doing
Speaker 3: to the rest books by just lengthening this out even
Speaker 3: further and third thinking it's going to go away, it's
Speaker 3: not going away today and it's not going away tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I will never back off this case, and one way
Speaker 3: or another, I will get to the end of it
Speaker 3: because I always do. So you need to come out
Speaker 3: clean now and give us what we want. Oh, I'll
Speaker 3: just continue to belt you until we find out the truth.
Speaker 2: Do you think this whole mess started because it was
Speaker 2: shoddy police work, I think, and I'm just trying.
Speaker 1: To find out and I can't answer this question, is
Speaker 1: that we're just put in library studies and we're doing this.
Speaker 3: But I can remember being when I was very sticking
Speaker 3: down and out during those two thousands that the Labour
Speaker 3: Party down here they were in power and they reduced
Speaker 3: our police forces. They reduced them. I just need to
Speaker 3: see that. That's what my memory tells me from back then.
Speaker 3: So I just want to see how that happened, because
Speaker 3: I do know, and I'll give it to the State
Speaker 3: Liberal Party. They have been smashing them out the last
Speaker 3: four years to get those numbers back up, and I think,
Speaker 3: if I'm right about here, what's happened here is I
Speaker 3: just don't think they had the numbers on the ground
Speaker 3: properly because they reduced to nothing. So I think that's
Speaker 3: what's occurred here. That's been part of the problem. But
Speaker 3: just let me double check that, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: not because of anyone's fault. It's just a role on effect.
Speaker 3: You know that it just went this is it and
Speaker 3: this is clean cart and she's hung usself and they
Speaker 3: just did not think, is this foul play?
Speaker 2: It that was it?
Speaker 3: It was just that's it one mind, and therefore they've
Speaker 3: missed all that crucial information and.
Speaker 1: That can happen.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of other things that around that time.
Speaker 2: We've talked about the girl we call Kate. We know
Speaker 2: Kate has never been spoken to formally by We also
Speaker 2: know the phone that Eden used that night stayed here
Speaker 2: and then obviously was cremated with her body, but was
Speaker 2: never seized by police. We're unsure where the rope is.
Speaker 2: We don't know whether the rope was seized. There's also
Speaker 2: the opportunities for us to see on paper an interview
Speaker 2: with the young boy that Eden was talking to that
Speaker 2: would give some idea of what Eden's frame of mind
Speaker 2: was prior to her allegedly taking her own life, But
Speaker 2: there's nothing on record. She want to be right about that,
Speaker 2: So what are you worried about?
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm trying to work out is We've got
Speaker 1: Eden's number.
Speaker 3: I want to go back in to those telecommunication companies,
Speaker 3: whoever she was, and I want to ask them personally.
Speaker 3: I want to see whether or not I can obtain that.
Speaker 3: When you want to get data, you can usually get it.
Speaker 3: I mean we're not talking about two thousand and one
Speaker 3: or two thousand. I just don't believe you cannot get
Speaker 3: something off that mobile phone back then. I just find
Speaker 3: that ridiculous. I mean, they might wate things after a
Speaker 3: seriously time. I don't know, but I want to know
Speaker 3: from telecommunications company, so I'll have an expert with me
Speaker 3: over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: I want to know how that works and just so,
Speaker 1: and I'll call them.
Speaker 2: Because there's also the question of if Kate was with
Speaker 2: Eden in the skate park on that evening, then it
Speaker 2: would be very easy to go we've pinned her phone,
Speaker 2: we knew she was there or she wasn't there.
Speaker 3: It's not just about that. I want to see what's
Speaker 3: going on in for lead up. I want to see
Speaker 3: what where Eden was leading into that four weeks. I
Speaker 3: want to see if there was texting to her from
Speaker 3: people that shouldn't have been sending her text.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to record of.
Speaker 2: As we get close to the end of this episode,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about We've covered the rope, We've
Speaker 2: covered the autopsy, We've covered the person that's called Kate
Speaker 2: that's never really been formally interviewed. We've got questions around
Speaker 2: the phone. And then there's the issue of Paul Reynolds,
Speaker 2: the currents associate who was connected to the case.
Speaker 3: Oh, the filthy pedophile, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's also
Speaker 3: a word around here that that might have been a
Speaker 3: pedophile group down here in Saint Helen. So always needs
Speaker 3: to be cleared up and it needs to be done.
Speaker 3: And when Paul Reynolds, as soon as his name comes
Speaker 3: in it, you go users christ.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 3: Something happened down here during that period of time, and
Speaker 3: I want to know what it is. When this first
Speaker 3: happened and I was down here, the community did not
Speaker 3: want to talk about it back then. They've actually opened
Speaker 3: up now and gone maybe there was a bit of
Speaker 3: a problem, Maybe there is.
Speaker 1: Something to this.
Speaker 2: We've had lots of people coming forward on the podcast,
Speaker 2: and none of those seem to have been investigated.
Speaker 1: No, And I think I wonder if that's what worries.
Speaker 1: They don't want to crack this because it's just going
Speaker 1: to go into an octopus if we find sheit was murdered.
Speaker 3: And I think that other people are going to come
Speaker 3: forward and go, yeah, and I was sexually abused down here,
Speaker 3: and all that, and it's going to open up a
Speaker 3: can of rooms. We've just got to crack this case.
Speaker 3: This is center to everything before anything else can happen.
Speaker 2: Do you think we can solve this in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1: I need those autopsy, so you give me them and
Speaker 1: then we can all have a good look at them
Speaker 1: and then we can take it further. I wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that was a lot to ask either way. The investigation
Speaker 1: was not done for it was not done. He went
Speaker 1: in there with one mind. She hung herself. That was
Speaker 1: so they didn't bother doing anything else. And that's just
Speaker 1: lazy policing full stop.
Speaker 2: You mentioned before there are people in town that know
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: But if they're not in town anymore and they've moved
Speaker 3: out and you know what's happened with Eadie, I would
Speaker 3: suggest you come forward because I am going to crack
Speaker 3: this and if we are right and she's murdered, you're
Speaker 3: coming down anyway. So I suggest you come forward early.
Speaker 3: And if you're too scared to go to the police,
Speaker 3: you don't want to go to anyone, you come to me.
Speaker 2: Just come to me. Federal election this year, does that
Speaker 2: change things for TASMANI do you think it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't change anything?
Speaker 2: Eatie.
Speaker 3: Unless I get done and I'm thrown out, then that's
Speaker 3: going to make it really hard because a lot of
Speaker 3: the stuff I can pull out is under privilege, and
Speaker 3: if I go out and say that in the normal world,
Speaker 3: I'll be sued. So that's the advantage I have, and
Speaker 3: that's how come we can crack so much. Was even
Speaker 3: if I'm not sure, I can say I want to
Speaker 3: know the answer to this question, did this happen?
Speaker 1: I think as long as I can maintain my seat,
Speaker 1: which hopefully I can, then we will continue to this.
Speaker 3: But the best thing that Soney General Dan here could
Speaker 3: do is do something godly, just for once in his
Speaker 3: goddamn wife, get that legislation through in the first sitting
Speaker 3: in March in State.
Speaker 1: If he gives a shit.
Speaker 3: About the Westbrooks, then I say to Barnett, then you
Speaker 3: get that legislation through.
Speaker 1: That should be your first.
Speaker 3: Day when you sit him March in State Parliament. So
Speaker 3: if he really gives a shit about people's lives, let's
Speaker 3: see what he's got.
Speaker 2: Jackie, thanks for spending time with me.
Speaker 1: That's all right. It's good because I'm starting to get
Speaker 1: really I right about it. As you can see, I.
Speaker 3: Just want to know, you know, and you get you
Speaker 3: get the thing it's to you get really heavily involved,
Speaker 3: and you see the hurt.
Speaker 1: It's been going on for too long. I just we
Speaker 1: just want to know the truth. And it's more important
Speaker 1: for the Westbrooks and the kids to know what happened
Speaker 1: to their daughter and their sister.
Speaker 2: And we need to know this and they're never going
Speaker 2: to move on.
Speaker 1: And I want to know because if Eddie was murdered,
Speaker 1: I want people help responsible for that. I want to
Speaker 1: know what we're down in. Thanks Jackie, honey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get taught. We're gonna find out what happened to Thank
Speaker 2: You so much.