1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approach production. 2 00:00:12,481 --> 00:00:16,081 Speaker 2: Welcome back to our Little Lady. We've been waiting to 3 00:00:16,121 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: record this episode for some time. In January twenty twenty five, 4 00:00:21,121 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: we headed back into Saint Helen's for the first time 5 00:00:24,401 --> 00:00:28,281 Speaker 2: in almost two years. The last time we left, we 6 00:00:28,321 --> 00:00:32,761 Speaker 2: felt uneasy. Maybe it was just us, but there was 7 00:00:32,801 --> 00:00:37,201 Speaker 2: a strange feeling about that town. This time, driving in 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,041 Speaker 2: it was different. I was by myself and looking forward 9 00:00:41,081 --> 00:00:44,281 Speaker 2: to meeting Jackie Lamby and seeing Jason and Amanda face 10 00:00:44,321 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: to face. As I drove out of my accommodation the 11 00:00:47,601 --> 00:00:50,521 Speaker 2: next day, I had to pass the Fisherman's Memorial, the 12 00:00:50,561 --> 00:00:53,521 Speaker 2: park where Eden was found. As I get over this 13 00:00:53,641 --> 00:00:58,761 Speaker 2: hill here, i'll approach a small bridge. On my right 14 00:00:58,801 --> 00:01:01,801 Speaker 2: hand side as the bay a lot of fishing boats, 15 00:01:02,441 --> 00:01:07,001 Speaker 2: and then on the left is the Fisherman Memorial Park, 16 00:01:07,321 --> 00:01:12,401 Speaker 2: which is also the memorial for Edon Westbrook. It was 17 00:01:12,441 --> 00:01:15,041 Speaker 2: about seven am and I stopped at the wharf to 18 00:01:15,081 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: walk around. I noticed while walking a lot of rope 19 00:01:19,041 --> 00:01:23,481 Speaker 2: lying around, seemingly abandoned. I jumped back in the car 20 00:01:23,801 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: and then drove past the place where Eden used to 21 00:01:26,401 --> 00:01:35,161 Speaker 2: work Banjo's Good Arriving at Jason and Amanda's place. Jason 22 00:01:35,241 --> 00:01:37,921 Speaker 2: was out mowing tidying the front yard while Amanda was 23 00:01:37,961 --> 00:01:41,601 Speaker 2: putting out coffee and snacks. The first thing I saw 24 00:01:42,161 --> 00:01:44,241 Speaker 2: was the new house, the building at the back of 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,041 Speaker 2: the shed. So just got to Jason and Amanda's house. 26 00:01:47,041 --> 00:01:50,641 Speaker 2: Dogs are going crazy. Jason's on the mower on the 27 00:01:50,641 --> 00:01:52,561 Speaker 2: front of the moro. I've just noticed as a sticker, 28 00:01:53,321 --> 00:01:55,081 Speaker 2: which is the sticker we mentioned in one of the 29 00:01:55,081 --> 00:01:57,361 Speaker 2: episodes a little while ago. Now, let's go and say 30 00:01:57,401 --> 00:02:04,601 Speaker 2: hi to everyone. Hello puppies. For a family that suffered 31 00:02:04,641 --> 00:02:07,081 Speaker 2: so much over the last ten years, it's nice to 32 00:02:07,081 --> 00:02:10,241 Speaker 2: see how excited they are about building this new home. 33 00:02:10,361 --> 00:02:12,601 Speaker 2: So we've got filtered water views through there. I have 34 00:02:12,721 --> 00:02:14,441 Speaker 2: good that's the bedroom up that end. 35 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,201 Speaker 1: Yep, it's a big five and a half plus seven. 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,281 Speaker 3: And a half. 37 00:02:17,321 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's massive. 38 00:02:18,281 --> 00:02:21,321 Speaker 3: With an on suite with a two point one eighteen 39 00:02:21,361 --> 00:02:23,881 Speaker 3: hundred window. So it's just fixed window that you look 40 00:02:23,921 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: out great and just a kitchen and a living dining. 41 00:02:26,601 --> 00:02:29,361 Speaker 2: I can't help thinking about how proud Eden would have 42 00:02:29,401 --> 00:02:32,601 Speaker 2: been of a mum and dad, just like her siblings are. 43 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,281 Speaker 2: While we're chatting about the house, Jackie Lambi and her 44 00:02:36,321 --> 00:02:39,201 Speaker 2: team drive up the dirt driveway. It's not the first 45 00:02:39,281 --> 00:02:43,321 Speaker 2: time she's been to Jason and Amanda's. Jackie and I 46 00:02:43,401 --> 00:02:46,401 Speaker 2: sit around the table with a small team plus a 47 00:02:46,441 --> 00:02:50,081 Speaker 2: cameraman who's filming for an upcoming piece of content. In 48 00:02:50,121 --> 00:02:53,561 Speaker 2: the background, just behind us, there are pictures of Eden 49 00:02:53,881 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: and the other kids, including some in Defense Force uniforms, 50 00:02:58,401 --> 00:03:02,041 Speaker 2: something Jackie knows all about. Jackie, how are you going, 51 00:03:02,201 --> 00:03:04,641 Speaker 2: I'm going, well, mate. How long have you been in 52 00:03:04,641 --> 00:03:07,721 Speaker 2: Tassi for this time around? As have been in Tazi. Oh, 53 00:03:07,721 --> 00:03:08,361 Speaker 2: it's been nice. 54 00:03:08,401 --> 00:03:10,361 Speaker 3: I haven't been in a plane, I don't think until 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,441 Speaker 3: since the tenth of December, so it's been very very nice. 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: I do a road trip twice a year, yep. 57 00:03:15,841 --> 00:03:17,481 Speaker 3: I mean I'm way at the road all the time anyway, 58 00:03:17,481 --> 00:03:19,481 Speaker 3: but trying to do one half because it takes about 59 00:03:19,601 --> 00:03:21,521 Speaker 3: nine or ten days. So we're just coming off that 60 00:03:22,881 --> 00:03:24,761 Speaker 3: and done that, which has been beautiful because the weather 61 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: it's been spectacular down here, and everybody's out and about. 62 00:03:27,841 --> 00:03:30,201 Speaker 3: Because I don't everybody knows how am I don't put 63 00:03:30,201 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: a jacket on, so I'm not politically out there, so 64 00:03:32,841 --> 00:03:34,281 Speaker 3: people are happy to say, oh. 65 00:03:34,201 --> 00:03:35,081 Speaker 1: Get here, are you going? 66 00:03:35,121 --> 00:03:37,361 Speaker 3: In the caravan park, and if you if you had 67 00:03:37,361 --> 00:03:39,161 Speaker 3: a liberal labor party going through there, they're going what 68 00:03:39,201 --> 00:03:40,801 Speaker 3: the hell are they doing at he so actually get 69 00:03:40,841 --> 00:03:43,161 Speaker 3: away with that a little bit, which I'm really grateful for. 70 00:03:43,321 --> 00:03:47,001 Speaker 2: Did you grew up in Tazzi's, Tazzy Girl? Did you 71 00:03:47,041 --> 00:03:49,521 Speaker 2: spend any time in Saint Helen's as a kid? No? 72 00:03:49,761 --> 00:03:51,841 Speaker 3: Ours was all up on the Northwest coast. So we've 73 00:03:51,881 --> 00:03:54,361 Speaker 3: got guns, planes, river, we've got we used a lot 74 00:03:54,361 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: of camping out at Portsourel, Hawley Way, that sort of thing. 75 00:03:58,481 --> 00:04:00,601 Speaker 3: We'd have forty of us out there during the Christmas 76 00:04:00,641 --> 00:04:02,961 Speaker 3: and then a lot of my Christmas holidays once I 77 00:04:03,081 --> 00:04:05,361 Speaker 3: hit about nine or ten. We're down the West coast 78 00:04:05,441 --> 00:04:08,521 Speaker 3: because my mum was one of twenty one Wow yeah, 79 00:04:08,721 --> 00:04:11,801 Speaker 3: very busy little family. No TV back then, mate, no 80 00:04:11,921 --> 00:04:15,721 Speaker 3: electricity anyway. So if her brothers weren't mining down the 81 00:04:15,721 --> 00:04:18,441 Speaker 3: West coast, they were married to minus. So we'd spent 82 00:04:18,521 --> 00:04:20,321 Speaker 3: a lot of time. So that's why I'm very, very 83 00:04:20,361 --> 00:04:23,001 Speaker 3: fond of the West Coast. When it comes to Rosebury 84 00:04:23,081 --> 00:04:25,761 Speaker 3: tallor Queenstown, that sort of thing. A lot of politicians 85 00:04:25,801 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: won't go and visit them. I love going down there. 86 00:04:27,721 --> 00:04:30,161 Speaker 2: How did it happen from moving from school into the 87 00:04:30,201 --> 00:04:32,041 Speaker 2: Defense Force. What was that about. 88 00:04:32,201 --> 00:04:33,281 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really lucky. 89 00:04:33,361 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 3: I took a gap year and went to the Northern 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,041 Speaker 3: Territory and worked to Catherine for twelve months, spent twelve 91 00:04:38,041 --> 00:04:39,361 Speaker 3: months off and on at the Catherine Hotel. 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:39,801 Speaker 1: Motel. 93 00:04:41,361 --> 00:04:43,321 Speaker 3: That's a pretty full place. You're going to get life experience. 94 00:04:43,361 --> 00:04:45,161 Speaker 3: Go to Catherine Hotel. Back then, it was still the 95 00:04:45,201 --> 00:04:47,601 Speaker 3: Black sat in the bar. I mean that was in 96 00:04:48,001 --> 00:04:50,681 Speaker 3: That was in eighty eight. That was going on. I mean, 97 00:04:50,761 --> 00:04:55,001 Speaker 3: you know it isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, still didn't have 98 00:04:55,041 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: them in their having county mills. So for me that 99 00:04:57,401 --> 00:04:59,401 Speaker 3: was a wake up call. I'm really grateful because I 100 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,161 Speaker 3: learned a lot about the indigenous living up there. So 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,681 Speaker 3: that's one of my I really love getting at them, 102 00:05:03,801 --> 00:05:05,001 Speaker 3: to those indigenous communities. 103 00:05:05,201 --> 00:05:05,681 Speaker 2: I love it. 104 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: So It's funny how when you do things in life, 105 00:05:08,521 --> 00:05:10,361 Speaker 3: it comes back and you go, actually, I'm glad I 106 00:05:10,361 --> 00:05:11,801 Speaker 3: did all of that because it's an interest I have 107 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,601 Speaker 3: in politics. 108 00:05:13,241 --> 00:05:15,801 Speaker 1: That settled me down a bit because. 109 00:05:15,521 --> 00:05:17,801 Speaker 3: On my girlfriends had left year twelve and I was 110 00:05:17,841 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: actually going back and I studied really really hard. That 111 00:05:20,601 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: sort of settled me down and then I did start 112 00:05:23,481 --> 00:05:25,241 Speaker 3: getting in that wrong crowd, and we just happened to 113 00:05:25,281 --> 00:05:27,841 Speaker 3: be going down to Sencilink because two of my girlfriends 114 00:05:27,841 --> 00:05:30,721 Speaker 3: by looking for jobs. And I call it the Kermit 115 00:05:30,921 --> 00:05:32,681 Speaker 3: the frog bus because it used to be a green 116 00:05:32,761 --> 00:05:35,081 Speaker 3: army bus running around then trying to recruit people. 117 00:05:35,641 --> 00:05:36,281 Speaker 1: And we all. 118 00:05:36,161 --> 00:05:38,201 Speaker 3: Decided we were going to that seat. We're going to 119 00:05:38,201 --> 00:05:41,721 Speaker 3: be g I Jack's or g I Jane's and we 120 00:05:41,761 --> 00:05:43,601 Speaker 3: all went into it and we're all going to sign up. 121 00:05:43,801 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: So I signed up first. They got their clipboard to 122 00:05:45,961 --> 00:05:47,881 Speaker 3: sign and then did a run around me. So when 123 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,401 Speaker 3: I said, actually I don't want to join, he said, 124 00:05:49,401 --> 00:05:51,521 Speaker 3: you'll be right, sweaty, you'll survive it. 125 00:05:51,721 --> 00:05:53,521 Speaker 1: Yes, that's Saturdays. I was in within about. 126 00:05:53,281 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: Twelve weeks straight in as a grunt wheel or. 127 00:05:55,721 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: The Australians and one went into the transport drive. And 128 00:05:57,921 --> 00:05:59,721 Speaker 3: my dad was a truck driver for many many years, 129 00:05:59,841 --> 00:06:00,921 Speaker 3: fifty years of his life. 130 00:06:01,001 --> 00:06:02,121 Speaker 1: So for me it was in my blood. 131 00:06:02,121 --> 00:06:03,761 Speaker 3: I was sitting on Daz's and when I was six 132 00:06:03,801 --> 00:06:06,121 Speaker 3: months old, you know the steering wheel that, so for 133 00:06:06,201 --> 00:06:07,121 Speaker 3: me it was second nature. 134 00:06:07,961 --> 00:06:08,961 Speaker 1: So I did that. 135 00:06:09,201 --> 00:06:11,841 Speaker 3: My two friends went through her. They've had you know, 136 00:06:11,961 --> 00:06:13,841 Speaker 3: drug and Acco whole problems. They've had men in and 137 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,161 Speaker 3: out of jail. It's been really awful to watch to 138 00:06:16,241 --> 00:06:19,001 Speaker 3: watch what's their lives evolved in. Things settled now they've 139 00:06:19,041 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: got a bit older, a bit worn out. But yeah, 140 00:06:22,281 --> 00:06:25,401 Speaker 3: so my life took a very very different avenue to 141 00:06:25,521 --> 00:06:26,241 Speaker 3: what theirs did. 142 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,921 Speaker 1: So I've always been grateful it was meant to be 143 00:06:28,041 --> 00:06:29,161 Speaker 1: for me to sign up that day. 144 00:06:30,201 --> 00:06:33,441 Speaker 2: Over my right shoulder. There's a whole bunch of pictures 145 00:06:33,481 --> 00:06:36,561 Speaker 2: on the wall of the Westbrook clan and a lot 146 00:06:36,641 --> 00:06:39,761 Speaker 2: of them are dressed in military because they're part of 147 00:06:39,801 --> 00:06:42,761 Speaker 2: the Defense Force. How much has that connected you to 148 00:06:42,801 --> 00:06:43,401 Speaker 2: the Westbrooks. 149 00:06:43,841 --> 00:06:46,441 Speaker 3: Well, that's how I got connected in the first place. Yeah, Okay, 150 00:06:46,601 --> 00:06:48,401 Speaker 3: So we were helping one of the kids out with 151 00:06:48,481 --> 00:06:50,921 Speaker 3: their claims and stuff like that, and so from that 152 00:06:51,121 --> 00:06:53,801 Speaker 3: came that we've lost a daughter as well, and then 153 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,441 Speaker 3: so I started to pick that up and then I 154 00:06:55,521 --> 00:06:57,881 Speaker 3: got done onto section forty four. So I was like, 155 00:06:57,961 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: I just can't do anything for you guys. I've got 156 00:06:59,481 --> 00:07:01,081 Speaker 3: no privilege. I've got to know nothing. I have to 157 00:07:01,081 --> 00:07:03,281 Speaker 3: step out and win my seat back section forty four. 158 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,361 Speaker 3: Section forty four is because I had Scottish heritage, and 159 00:07:06,401 --> 00:07:09,601 Speaker 3: I hadn't renounced because my granddad and my dad had 160 00:07:09,641 --> 00:07:12,121 Speaker 3: come through, and my granddad and my dad never renounced. 161 00:07:12,201 --> 00:07:13,921 Speaker 1: During that period of time, I got stuck with it 162 00:07:14,001 --> 00:07:15,841 Speaker 1: as well. So I was a dual citizen. 163 00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:19,521 Speaker 2: And so you essentially left politics and then came back. Yeah. 164 00:07:19,561 --> 00:07:23,081 Speaker 3: I left politics for nearly two years, and the TVs 165 00:07:23,121 --> 00:07:24,081 Speaker 3: were very lovely to me. 166 00:07:24,161 --> 00:07:27,201 Speaker 1: I got to do celebrity. Get me out of here. Hey, guys, 167 00:07:27,561 --> 00:07:29,361 Speaker 1: get I I'm about to go to the jungle. I'm 168 00:07:29,441 --> 00:07:31,961 Speaker 1: so looking forward to it. I'm quite excited about going 169 00:07:32,041 --> 00:07:34,001 Speaker 1: in there. So I wish me the best of luck, 170 00:07:34,041 --> 00:07:35,761 Speaker 1: and I'll see you when I get back from the jungle. 171 00:07:36,521 --> 00:07:38,201 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did go back to where you come from. 172 00:07:38,401 --> 00:07:40,841 Speaker 3: That sort of kept me going. I think out of that, 173 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:43,001 Speaker 3: I was able to earn about sixty grand over that 174 00:07:43,121 --> 00:07:45,961 Speaker 3: two years, and I used I was two or three 175 00:07:46,001 --> 00:07:48,601 Speaker 3: years up in my house payments, so I diluted that 176 00:07:48,721 --> 00:07:50,921 Speaker 3: right down over that two years. And then I think 177 00:07:50,961 --> 00:07:53,281 Speaker 3: I spent about seventy grand to win my seatback after 178 00:07:53,361 --> 00:07:53,881 Speaker 3: two years. 179 00:07:54,241 --> 00:07:55,281 Speaker 1: And Dad and I would just. 180 00:07:55,321 --> 00:07:57,121 Speaker 3: Be in an old van going round and ran around 181 00:07:57,161 --> 00:07:59,281 Speaker 3: with Jackie Lamby all over it because I just don't 182 00:07:59,281 --> 00:08:00,441 Speaker 3: come from a family with money. 183 00:08:00,601 --> 00:08:03,281 Speaker 2: So what is it about politics that you love? 184 00:08:04,241 --> 00:08:07,241 Speaker 3: I think for me, for politics that I love is 185 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:10,521 Speaker 3: just bringing the injustices out because apparently there's lack of 186 00:08:10,641 --> 00:08:13,401 Speaker 3: courage up there. I think when you go through something 187 00:08:13,441 --> 00:08:15,001 Speaker 3: that I went through, where I had to fight a 188 00:08:15,121 --> 00:08:19,521 Speaker 3: government department, and I realized going through that for ten 189 00:08:19,601 --> 00:08:22,721 Speaker 3: or eleven years, I worked out very early on in 190 00:08:22,801 --> 00:08:24,721 Speaker 3: two thousand and the only way I was going to 191 00:08:24,721 --> 00:08:26,401 Speaker 3: be able to help veterans of myself is I need 192 00:08:26,441 --> 00:08:29,241 Speaker 3: to be inside the pie. I had no idea about politics. 193 00:08:29,561 --> 00:08:31,001 Speaker 3: I had no idea between the lower House and the 194 00:08:31,041 --> 00:08:32,481 Speaker 3: upper House. But what I did is I needed a 195 00:08:32,521 --> 00:08:34,801 Speaker 3: lot less numbers to get in that cent and the 196 00:08:34,881 --> 00:08:36,361 Speaker 3: only way we were going to crack this is one 197 00:08:36,401 --> 00:08:38,001 Speaker 3: of U squat in there and didn't belong to a 198 00:08:38,121 --> 00:08:38,681 Speaker 3: major party. 199 00:08:38,761 --> 00:08:41,201 Speaker 1: That's all I knew. I knew that back in two 200 00:08:41,241 --> 00:08:41,961 Speaker 1: thousand and three, and. 201 00:08:42,001 --> 00:08:44,561 Speaker 3: Then it took me another ten years to actually get there. 202 00:08:44,641 --> 00:08:47,561 Speaker 3: So my journey I ended up in a psich unit. 203 00:08:47,601 --> 00:08:48,961 Speaker 3: I ended up walking out in front of a car. 204 00:08:49,041 --> 00:08:51,121 Speaker 3: In two thousand and nine. I was on a lot 205 00:08:51,161 --> 00:08:54,601 Speaker 3: of pharmaceuticals. I was heavily drugged for many years as 206 00:08:54,641 --> 00:08:56,441 Speaker 3: I lot, because it's the only way I could control 207 00:08:56,521 --> 00:08:59,841 Speaker 3: the pain. I had no life whatsoever. My life was 208 00:08:59,921 --> 00:09:01,841 Speaker 3: just being making sure my boys were fed. That was 209 00:09:01,921 --> 00:09:04,961 Speaker 3: my daily routine because I just the pain was unbearable. 210 00:09:05,641 --> 00:09:08,321 Speaker 3: So anyways, so we dried out all of superannuation and 211 00:09:08,401 --> 00:09:10,361 Speaker 3: we ended up taking all that out to try and 212 00:09:10,481 --> 00:09:12,841 Speaker 3: keep the house in two thousand and nine. 213 00:09:13,441 --> 00:09:14,401 Speaker 1: So I had nothing left. 214 00:09:14,441 --> 00:09:16,281 Speaker 3: So when I walked into politics at forty four, I 215 00:09:16,321 --> 00:09:19,601 Speaker 3: had about four bucks in the bank, no superannuation and 216 00:09:19,761 --> 00:09:22,361 Speaker 3: nothing and nothing, no house left, anything, nothing, that was it. 217 00:09:22,601 --> 00:09:24,041 Speaker 1: That's all I had. In the clothes on my back. 218 00:09:24,321 --> 00:09:26,321 Speaker 3: For the first three months I was in politics, I 219 00:09:26,481 --> 00:09:29,601 Speaker 3: was wearing clothes from Venice and the Second and the opshops. 220 00:09:29,841 --> 00:09:30,841 Speaker 1: That's how I survived. 221 00:09:31,441 --> 00:09:33,601 Speaker 2: There's one thing you notice when you're talking to Jackie. 222 00:09:33,761 --> 00:09:37,361 Speaker 2: She's a fighter. She's not the traditional politician. There's no 223 00:09:37,481 --> 00:09:41,281 Speaker 2: airs or graces, no hauling punches, and that's why she's 224 00:09:41,361 --> 00:09:45,561 Speaker 2: one of Australia's most popular politicians right now. She doesn't 225 00:09:45,641 --> 00:09:48,521 Speaker 2: come from money or privilege and I sort of see 226 00:09:48,561 --> 00:09:53,041 Speaker 2: similarities between her life and Jason and Amanda's. Jackie, like 227 00:09:53,161 --> 00:09:56,721 Speaker 2: Amanda is feisty when it comes to right versus wrong. 228 00:09:57,281 --> 00:09:59,681 Speaker 1: There is nothing that I hate more than cover up, 229 00:10:00,281 --> 00:10:02,801 Speaker 1: especially dealing with the militey. Over time. We just come 230 00:10:02,841 --> 00:10:06,481 Speaker 1: out of a Royal commission el because of the cover ups. 231 00:10:06,361 --> 00:10:06,681 Speaker 2: That go on. 232 00:10:06,841 --> 00:10:09,441 Speaker 3: I've seen that as being military police. I know how 233 00:10:09,481 --> 00:10:11,201 Speaker 3: it works in there. Oh my god, if you want 234 00:10:11,241 --> 00:10:13,841 Speaker 3: to cover it up, she's in the institution, she'll get 235 00:10:13,921 --> 00:10:14,321 Speaker 3: covered up. 236 00:10:14,761 --> 00:10:16,001 Speaker 1: So for me, it's all. 237 00:10:15,921 --> 00:10:18,041 Speaker 3: About what's the right thing. I was brought up to 238 00:10:18,241 --> 00:10:21,241 Speaker 3: know right from wrong. You know, not to steal, not 239 00:10:21,441 --> 00:10:23,841 Speaker 3: to lie, and that's what it is. It's just a 240 00:10:23,881 --> 00:10:26,881 Speaker 3: bloody cover up up there. Disgust me. It's an institution. 241 00:10:27,401 --> 00:10:31,641 Speaker 3: Anything that's institutional, whether it's our universities, whether it's defense, 242 00:10:32,001 --> 00:10:35,161 Speaker 3: whether it's politics. All right, those people come institution and 243 00:10:35,241 --> 00:10:37,161 Speaker 3: what they do is that the first thing that they're taught, 244 00:10:37,241 --> 00:10:40,521 Speaker 3: especially the hierarchy, is cover the institutions asked at all costs, 245 00:10:40,961 --> 00:10:43,881 Speaker 3: at all costs. Doesn't matter whether you're taking people's lives, 246 00:10:43,921 --> 00:10:46,961 Speaker 3: you will cover the institution's ass at all costs. Nah, 247 00:10:47,281 --> 00:10:49,521 Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, when it comes to people's lives. 248 00:10:49,961 --> 00:10:51,681 Speaker 3: If I can't wake up and put the boxing gloves 249 00:10:51,721 --> 00:10:53,681 Speaker 3: on first thing in the morning, before I do anything else, 250 00:10:53,681 --> 00:10:55,321 Speaker 3: before I even go to the toilet. 251 00:10:55,921 --> 00:10:58,321 Speaker 1: Then I'm not in politics. Those boxing gloves have got 252 00:10:58,361 --> 00:11:00,401 Speaker 1: to come in and they've got to be on first 253 00:11:00,441 --> 00:11:01,001 Speaker 1: thing in the morning. 254 00:11:01,241 --> 00:11:02,881 Speaker 3: So you know, it's great not to belong to those 255 00:11:02,961 --> 00:11:06,241 Speaker 3: major parties and come out bear to fight for people 256 00:11:06,281 --> 00:11:08,761 Speaker 3: without any restrictions. And I had no restriction. I tell you, 257 00:11:09,241 --> 00:11:11,641 Speaker 3: if I believe there's an injustice done and I can 258 00:11:11,681 --> 00:11:14,001 Speaker 3: watch that family hurting and those people around them, I'm 259 00:11:14,001 --> 00:11:15,641 Speaker 3: going to fight like a bitch. That's what I do 260 00:11:16,121 --> 00:11:18,601 Speaker 3: until I get the bloody answers. And I can smell 261 00:11:18,641 --> 00:11:20,641 Speaker 3: it because I was in military police. She can smell it. 262 00:11:21,001 --> 00:11:21,161 Speaker 2: You know. 263 00:11:21,161 --> 00:11:22,841 Speaker 3: I'm around people all the time. You got, yeah, something's 264 00:11:22,841 --> 00:11:26,321 Speaker 3: not right here. It's your bullshit radar, and it needs 265 00:11:26,361 --> 00:11:28,201 Speaker 3: to be up all the time. The longer run politics, 266 00:11:28,241 --> 00:11:28,921 Speaker 3: a better it gets. 267 00:11:30,281 --> 00:11:32,881 Speaker 2: Jackie first met Jason and Amanda when she was helping 268 00:11:33,001 --> 00:11:35,561 Speaker 2: with the family and a private matter that we won't 269 00:11:35,601 --> 00:11:39,241 Speaker 2: discuss here, but I wanted to know why, specifically she 270 00:11:39,401 --> 00:11:41,681 Speaker 2: dug into the case of Enan Westbrook. 271 00:11:42,081 --> 00:11:43,881 Speaker 3: I think when I looked at it, the first thing 272 00:11:44,001 --> 00:11:47,761 Speaker 3: I thought, that's interesting because a young person that age 273 00:11:47,801 --> 00:11:51,441 Speaker 3: doesn't hang themselves, Veterans hang themselves, first responders hang themselves. 274 00:11:51,801 --> 00:11:53,601 Speaker 1: A lot of people will jump, and those. 275 00:11:53,521 --> 00:11:57,281 Speaker 3: Kids usually cut their wrists, all taken overdose. And my 276 00:11:57,401 --> 00:11:59,401 Speaker 3: other thing was, gee, that's a clever little girl to 277 00:11:59,721 --> 00:12:02,281 Speaker 3: tie that around. How hell did she get up that tree? 278 00:12:03,081 --> 00:12:06,041 Speaker 3: It just didn't make sense of just none of it did, 279 00:12:06,081 --> 00:12:08,721 Speaker 3: and I couldn't get the answers that I needed. So 280 00:12:09,361 --> 00:12:10,961 Speaker 3: for me, I backed off that a little bit. And 281 00:12:11,001 --> 00:12:12,641 Speaker 3: then some other people come into the game. Because I 282 00:12:12,681 --> 00:12:14,201 Speaker 3: only got so many people and I've got so many 283 00:12:14,281 --> 00:12:16,321 Speaker 3: jobs to it, they'll relive very heavily on them getting 284 00:12:16,321 --> 00:12:19,001 Speaker 3: that evidence for me. And then I use my political 285 00:12:19,081 --> 00:12:21,041 Speaker 3: power to go even further and go roll, Well, you 286 00:12:21,161 --> 00:12:23,361 Speaker 3: do the RTI out for me or thefo Y out 287 00:12:23,401 --> 00:12:25,801 Speaker 3: for me, because you know where it is. So I'm 288 00:12:25,841 --> 00:12:28,481 Speaker 3: doing this. I'm playing the person in between. Something stunk 289 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:30,961 Speaker 3: about this whole case. I'm sorry, but me having that 290 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:33,361 Speaker 3: military police experience for five years, I thought things don't 291 00:12:33,361 --> 00:12:33,841 Speaker 3: add up. 292 00:12:33,921 --> 00:12:37,081 Speaker 1: And where's the rope? Where's the autopsy farers. 293 00:12:37,121 --> 00:12:40,521 Speaker 3: We're the only state where these people can't say I 294 00:12:40,561 --> 00:12:44,801 Speaker 3: want those autopsy photos. It's absolutely disgusting. I've got guy 295 00:12:44,881 --> 00:12:47,001 Speaker 3: Barnett down there the AG which is about as much 296 00:12:47,081 --> 00:12:48,161 Speaker 3: help as a wet paper bag. 297 00:12:48,681 --> 00:12:50,561 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of time for him at all. 298 00:12:51,241 --> 00:12:53,721 Speaker 1: That makes me anngry, and that makes me fight even more. 299 00:12:54,361 --> 00:12:56,761 Speaker 1: Just get the autopsy photos and pass the bastards over. 300 00:12:57,161 --> 00:12:58,601 Speaker 3: I can see you wasting time because I'm going to 301 00:12:58,641 --> 00:13:00,361 Speaker 3: come down on you like a bloody bitch anyway. 302 00:13:00,761 --> 00:13:01,681 Speaker 1: And That's what I'm going to do. 303 00:13:01,801 --> 00:13:03,241 Speaker 3: And I'm not giving this up until I find and 304 00:13:03,241 --> 00:13:07,041 Speaker 3: I reckon we're about this close. Was also the kids now, 305 00:13:07,121 --> 00:13:09,761 Speaker 3: speaking to the kids, and then when Edy passonated go 306 00:13:09,801 --> 00:13:11,721 Speaker 3: and put the makeup and that on, and you know, 307 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:14,921 Speaker 3: just that they noticed the bruising on her and the 308 00:13:15,001 --> 00:13:16,081 Speaker 3: broken teeth and all that. 309 00:13:16,521 --> 00:13:18,881 Speaker 1: That was the clature for me, So no, something's wrong here. 310 00:13:19,361 --> 00:13:20,881 Speaker 3: First all I couldn't understand how you get up the 311 00:13:20,921 --> 00:13:22,801 Speaker 3: bloody story with this bloody rope, how she learned how 312 00:13:22,801 --> 00:13:25,481 Speaker 3: to tie these things. What I could see about the 313 00:13:25,521 --> 00:13:28,361 Speaker 3: investigation was from me that they got there, they went, 314 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:32,321 Speaker 3: she hung herself. That's the investigation over. They didn't look 315 00:13:32,361 --> 00:13:35,121 Speaker 3: at anything else. You know, I still don't know where 316 00:13:35,121 --> 00:13:37,281 Speaker 3: the forensics are off the rope. That rope to me 317 00:13:37,801 --> 00:13:39,481 Speaker 3: is the clinch of the rope and the top. We 318 00:13:39,601 --> 00:13:41,841 Speaker 3: need to look at those autopsy photos and I need 319 00:13:41,881 --> 00:13:43,401 Speaker 3: that rope, and we still don't know where the rope is. 320 00:13:43,681 --> 00:13:45,721 Speaker 3: And the more pressure on them, you keep putting pressure 321 00:13:45,801 --> 00:13:48,521 Speaker 3: on these people, what happens is the institution starts to 322 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:50,721 Speaker 3: fall apart because one of them will go, shit, I'm 323 00:13:50,721 --> 00:13:51,521 Speaker 3: not going down with this. 324 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:53,321 Speaker 1: I'm not going down this. I'm going to go and 325 00:13:53,361 --> 00:13:55,401 Speaker 1: spilm my guts. That's where I want it. 326 00:13:56,121 --> 00:13:59,521 Speaker 2: Last night, on the opening night of the Senate, Jackie 327 00:13:59,601 --> 00:14:03,601 Speaker 2: Lamby spoke again under parliamentary privilege about Eden's case. 328 00:14:04,401 --> 00:14:07,001 Speaker 3: There's been all ten years since much Love fifteen year 329 00:14:07,001 --> 00:14:09,761 Speaker 3: old Eden Westbrook was found hanging in a park in 330 00:14:09,801 --> 00:14:13,241 Speaker 3: Saint Helen's, Tasmania. Ten years since the police told her 331 00:14:13,281 --> 00:14:16,161 Speaker 3: family that she had taken her own life. Ten long 332 00:14:16,281 --> 00:14:19,601 Speaker 3: years for the Westbrook family fighting through their grief to 333 00:14:19,641 --> 00:14:22,681 Speaker 3: search for answers. The police said it was suicide, but 334 00:14:22,761 --> 00:14:26,121 Speaker 3: the evidence that Edie was murdered just keeps stacking up. 335 00:14:26,721 --> 00:14:29,681 Speaker 3: As I stated in my speeches in July November last year, 336 00:14:30,001 --> 00:14:33,161 Speaker 3: this whole coast stinks to high heaven of incompetence. The 337 00:14:33,241 --> 00:14:36,921 Speaker 3: ongoing failure to provide the autopsy photos to Amanda and 338 00:14:37,001 --> 00:14:39,881 Speaker 3: her husband, Joseph Westbrook so that we can have them 339 00:14:39,921 --> 00:14:44,081 Speaker 3: independently scrutinizes frankly shocking. What are they trying to hide, 340 00:14:44,961 --> 00:14:48,361 Speaker 3: especially in the light of evidence from Edie's sisters who 341 00:14:48,561 --> 00:14:52,681 Speaker 3: applied makeup to Eden before she was cremated that she 342 00:14:52,881 --> 00:14:57,201 Speaker 3: had facial bruising and shattered teeth, evidence which flies in 343 00:14:57,281 --> 00:14:59,681 Speaker 3: the face of the comments by the Chief Magistrate in 344 00:14:59,801 --> 00:15:03,401 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two of Tasmania there were no signs of 345 00:15:03,441 --> 00:15:05,121 Speaker 3: trauma to Eden, according. 346 00:15:04,761 --> 00:15:08,721 Speaker 1: To her Jesus. Then there were the inquiries by the Ridgewater. 347 00:15:08,361 --> 00:15:11,641 Speaker 3: Police some months after Eden's death with a key witness, 348 00:15:12,001 --> 00:15:15,361 Speaker 3: Kim Woodcock, as to whether she noticed marks on Eden's wrists. 349 00:15:15,881 --> 00:15:17,601 Speaker 1: It was apparently suggested. 350 00:15:17,161 --> 00:15:19,841 Speaker 3: That Eden's hands may have been tied behind her back, 351 00:15:20,121 --> 00:15:22,561 Speaker 3: makes it very difficult to hang yourself. Then there is 352 00:15:22,601 --> 00:15:24,961 Speaker 3: what appears at this stage to be the complete failure 353 00:15:25,281 --> 00:15:27,241 Speaker 3: took a secure and preserve the. 354 00:15:27,281 --> 00:15:29,201 Speaker 1: Evidence never seen anything like in my time. 355 00:15:29,481 --> 00:15:32,161 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the rope that Eden supposedly used. 356 00:15:32,681 --> 00:15:35,121 Speaker 1: In any case like this, the body and the rope. 357 00:15:35,201 --> 00:15:37,201 Speaker 3: Are the two most crucial pieces of evidence. 358 00:15:37,721 --> 00:15:39,441 Speaker 1: Repeater requests to. 359 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:41,561 Speaker 3: The Tasmanian Police and the Police Minister. 360 00:15:41,401 --> 00:15:43,801 Speaker 1: Have failed miserably to provide any. 361 00:15:43,721 --> 00:15:46,721 Speaker 3: Information about the location and the status of the rope. 362 00:15:47,481 --> 00:15:48,441 Speaker 1: The Right to information. 363 00:15:48,561 --> 00:15:52,281 Speaker 3: Forensic documents suggests that police quickly decided. 364 00:15:51,881 --> 00:15:53,321 Speaker 1: That Eden's death was a suicide. 365 00:15:53,401 --> 00:15:55,641 Speaker 3: Nothing to see here because she had rope fibers in 366 00:15:55,721 --> 00:15:59,241 Speaker 3: her hands. Seriously, go and do your investigations properly, and 367 00:15:59,321 --> 00:16:01,561 Speaker 3: because Amanda Westbrook said that the rope was from a 368 00:16:01,641 --> 00:16:02,441 Speaker 3: craypot at. 369 00:16:02,321 --> 00:16:05,321 Speaker 1: Their home, except that Amanda says she never this. 370 00:16:05,361 --> 00:16:07,761 Speaker 3: And it's not in the statements, although she may have 371 00:16:07,881 --> 00:16:10,401 Speaker 3: commented that it was similar color to the ropes at 372 00:16:10,401 --> 00:16:13,761 Speaker 3: their place and couldn't rote fibers in Eden's hands also 373 00:16:13,881 --> 00:16:17,241 Speaker 3: be indication of struggle and murder. The police never followed 374 00:16:17,361 --> 00:16:20,441 Speaker 3: up on this issue of the rope with the west Books, 375 00:16:20,601 --> 00:16:24,041 Speaker 3: nor nor did they disceal the evidence. You didn't go 376 00:16:24,161 --> 00:16:26,361 Speaker 3: across the road to the wharf where all. 377 00:16:26,321 --> 00:16:29,401 Speaker 1: That rope is. You never even across that road. You 378 00:16:29,521 --> 00:16:32,521 Speaker 1: didn't do your evidence properly. Her mom and dad until 379 00:16:32,561 --> 00:16:34,561 Speaker 1: twelve days after their daughter. It appears they. 380 00:16:34,441 --> 00:16:36,601 Speaker 3: Didn't check the nearby wolves like I've said, which was 381 00:16:36,641 --> 00:16:38,801 Speaker 3: straight across the ropes ropes everywhere. 382 00:16:39,201 --> 00:16:41,081 Speaker 1: Eden's case, the death of a child, a young and 383 00:16:41,161 --> 00:16:42,801 Speaker 1: intelligent woman, and what should have. 384 00:16:42,801 --> 00:16:48,041 Speaker 3: Been a highly suspicious circumstances, involves an unbelievably flawed police 385 00:16:48,121 --> 00:16:51,641 Speaker 3: investigation like nothing I have ever come across in my life, 386 00:16:51,921 --> 00:16:56,961 Speaker 3: and poor use of intelligence, multiple forensic failures, including unaccredited 387 00:16:57,001 --> 00:17:02,681 Speaker 3: forensic services, inadequate investigate investiative reviews, including a review by 388 00:17:02,721 --> 00:17:06,761 Speaker 3: Saint Helen's police officer following a form referral from the 389 00:17:06,801 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: Commission of Inquiry into Sexual Abuse in early twenty twenty 390 00:17:10,201 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 3: three after whistleblower nominated a person of interest and an 391 00:17:13,681 --> 00:17:17,521 Speaker 3: actual suspect in Eden's death, and no written statements were 392 00:17:17,561 --> 00:17:20,881 Speaker 3: taken from that person either. And the tasmane in Coroner's 393 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: Act ninety ninety five is simply not fit for purpose. 394 00:17:24,561 --> 00:17:27,681 Speaker 3: It's not even possible for our Attorney General, the first 395 00:17:27,761 --> 00:17:31,961 Speaker 3: law officer in Tasmania, to intervene in extraordinary circumstances like 396 00:17:32,041 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: this and direct an inquest into this case. 397 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,481 Speaker 1: With the only state that does this. By the way, 398 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,801 Speaker 1: we're bloody miles. 399 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: Behind a compromised and corrupted coronial system with a dishonest 400 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,241 Speaker 3: pedophile cop involved, who was a coroner's associate and who 401 00:17:45,281 --> 00:17:49,001 Speaker 3: had regular direction and oversight of the matter. For austrainers 402 00:17:49,041 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: who may not have been following Eden's story, please go 403 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,001 Speaker 3: and listen to our. 404 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,041 Speaker 1: Little Eaty podcast. The podcast now has now five million 405 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,041 Speaker 1: viewers and I'm sure after night I's going to get 406 00:17:58,041 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot more. 407 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,161 Speaker 3: Reynolds was a pedophile policeman who was groomed and who's 408 00:18:03,241 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: groomed and abused children. 409 00:18:04,441 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: Of cost TASM for over thirty years. He was in 410 00:18:07,041 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: your uniform Tasmanian Police. And you had your eyes closed 411 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: for thirty years. And you want me to trust have 412 00:18:12,001 --> 00:18:15,401 Speaker 1: done this properly. Oh, you can't be serious. And despite 413 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,321 Speaker 1: the damning evidence of criminal behavior, Reynolds was given an 414 00:18:18,321 --> 00:18:21,521 Speaker 1: official state funeral, official state funeral only in the last 415 00:18:21,561 --> 00:18:24,401 Speaker 1: few years, with all the trimmings, including a glowing eulogy 416 00:18:24,681 --> 00:18:27,561 Speaker 1: from the then placed commissioner. What an absolute shocker. 417 00:18:27,961 --> 00:18:30,761 Speaker 3: And in twenty twenty three the Tasmane government commissioned the 418 00:18:30,801 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 3: Wis report, but despite detailed submissions from the rest Brooks 419 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,241 Speaker 3: and their former lawyer, and the matter clearly falling within 420 00:18:37,321 --> 00:18:40,121 Speaker 3: the terms of reference in this case and family concerns 421 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: about reynolds official role were not even mentioned in the 422 00:18:43,921 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: final report. 423 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: It absolutely blows me away. It's like, you don't want 424 00:18:47,481 --> 00:18:48,721 Speaker 1: to deal with this down he will deal with it 425 00:18:48,761 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: because I'm here. I'm dealing with it. And I want 426 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: to know if any of the seven current or former Tasmanian. 427 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:58,801 Speaker 3: Police officers referred by the Wives Review for investigation concerning chrials, 428 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,921 Speaker 3: sex abuse or dreaming ever worked in that Saint Helen's area. 429 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:02,721 Speaker 1: I want to know. 430 00:19:03,001 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: Surely you can answer that by breakfast. I want to 431 00:19:05,521 --> 00:19:07,561 Speaker 3: know if someone has been allowed to get away with murder. 432 00:19:07,801 --> 00:19:10,241 Speaker 3: The recent decision of Coroner Robert Webster in the Helen 433 00:19:10,281 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: birdcase in Tasmania where it was found without an inquest, 434 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: that Helen diet of a phixia due to hanging. This 435 00:19:15,961 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 3: is the same coroner, the same coroner that made the 436 00:19:18,721 --> 00:19:19,561 Speaker 3: decision about. 437 00:19:19,321 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: Eidan's case incompetency. 438 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,441 Speaker 3: But further pressure brought by Helen Bird's family has found 439 00:19:24,481 --> 00:19:27,521 Speaker 3: that in fact Helen was murdered that's right, and her death. 440 00:19:27,481 --> 00:19:29,321 Speaker 1: Was staged to make it look like suicide. 441 00:19:29,761 --> 00:19:33,321 Speaker 3: Helen Bird's case had the same forensic officers as Eden, 442 00:19:33,761 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 3: who failed to take any measurements to the rope, all 443 00:19:36,201 --> 00:19:39,721 Speaker 3: the latter from the birdcase, samples from the rope for 444 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: DNA testing, all fingerprints. 445 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,961 Speaker 1: That's where we're at. This is a boxed investigation. 446 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,081 Speaker 3: At the very least, the police had clearly decided from 447 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,801 Speaker 3: the start that Eden had hang herself. Nothing else to see. 448 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 3: That was it, end of story. You didn't even look 449 00:19:52,921 --> 00:19:54,561 Speaker 3: to see if what it was murder. You'd made your 450 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: mind up. She's hung herself. 451 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,521 Speaker 1: That's eat. Everything else is off the table. 452 00:19:58,001 --> 00:20:00,881 Speaker 3: They didn't interview critical witnesses and purtises of interests. 453 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: They didn't ask for. 454 00:20:02,241 --> 00:20:05,281 Speaker 3: Eden's mobile phone or check her social media accout ounce 455 00:20:05,281 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 3: to understand her state of mind, or to check whether 456 00:20:07,481 --> 00:20:10,041 Speaker 3: or not she was being grooined or abused. In reference 457 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: to the ongoing saga surrounding autopsy photos, there is now 458 00:20:13,281 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 3: the critical issue of the rope, the missing rope. In 459 00:20:15,481 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: the absence of the coronial file and relevant statement, not 460 00:20:18,321 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 3: much as publicly known about the rope in Eding's case. 461 00:20:21,281 --> 00:20:23,201 Speaker 3: You didn't bag and tag it, and you didn't take 462 00:20:23,241 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 3: forensics that we know you failed. I've written to the 463 00:20:26,441 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: Chief Magistrate asking for access to this critical documentation. Police 464 00:20:30,241 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: must be out there absolutely going around in circles about 465 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 3: this rope because this is it. 466 00:20:34,201 --> 00:20:35,721 Speaker 1: The rope has to be there somewhere. 467 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,961 Speaker 3: It is also not mentioned in any sale of the 468 00:20:38,041 --> 00:20:41,281 Speaker 3: Chief Magistrate's decision not to reopen the investigation in twenty 469 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: twenty two. In fact, it is stated that there is 470 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,241 Speaker 3: no available evidence to the origin of the rope. 471 00:20:46,321 --> 00:20:48,081 Speaker 1: That rope's got to be there. It's got to be there. 472 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: The emphasis is on the available evidence, which makes me 473 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: think that the rope had not been secured by the coroners, 474 00:20:53,441 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: Associate Paul Reynolds or investigating police as an exhibit. You 475 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: failed to pick up an exhibit, the most important exhibit 476 00:21:00,001 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: in the case, and you failed to bag and tag it. 477 00:21:02,281 --> 00:21:04,801 Speaker 1: You failed. The rope is simply said to have been 478 00:21:05,961 --> 00:21:09,001 Speaker 1: ten or twelve millimeters in diameter. Bag and tag, bag 479 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: and tag. You didn't do it. 480 00:21:10,481 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: The RTI information reveals the rope was not secured by 481 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: police as an exhibit. The unexhibit recorded was the seat 482 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:19,281 Speaker 3: of ten figure prets for Eden m a man of Restbrook, 483 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 3: denies that she advised police on the ourthe in February 484 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen at the scene that the source of the 485 00:21:23,521 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: rope was a Craypot wrote from their home. The right 486 00:21:25,681 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: of information documents that my office has received does not 487 00:21:28,201 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: show any corroborating documentary evidence that Amanda Restbooks said that. 488 00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: And if she did say that, you didn't. 489 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 3: Take the samples of the rope from the Westbrooks either. 490 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,281 Speaker 1: You failed to even go and do your job at 491 00:21:37,281 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: the rest Books. You failed to try and max the rope. 492 00:21:39,761 --> 00:21:43,001 Speaker 1: You failed visably in this investigation. This is really bad. 493 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: Eden's youngest sister, Sky and her brother Dante are speaking 494 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: out of gathering for Eden on the lawns of Parliament 495 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,001 Speaker 3: House in Novat. 496 00:21:49,201 --> 00:21:51,321 Speaker 1: Sky's who in her third year of law at UTAs. 497 00:21:51,521 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 3: She's taken Lord fight for her sister and you go, 498 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: girl and she'll be concentrating on her studies instead. She 499 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,041 Speaker 3: like her parents and siblings, are still fighting for truth 500 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,121 Speaker 3: and justice for poor little Leading. Imagine that your own 501 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: sister has gone back to do a LRD agree to 502 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: say I don't believe this, and if I don't do it, 503 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 3: she'll do it herself. 504 00:22:07,321 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: That's where she is. 505 00:22:08,441 --> 00:22:11,321 Speaker 3: This is the ambitious side of this family, that one 506 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:12,961 Speaker 3: of their kids is gone to study law in a 507 00:22:13,041 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 3: third year, smashing it like you wouldn't believe, and this 508 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: is where we're at. 509 00:22:16,561 --> 00:22:19,121 Speaker 1: We're all coming for you. We're all gone ho. I've 510 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,601 Speaker 1: got her back, and I will. 511 00:22:20,441 --> 00:22:23,321 Speaker 3: Not stop until the family has answers. The Attorney General 512 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,241 Speaker 3: in Tasmania. I want to ever talk to you, guy Barnett, 513 00:22:25,481 --> 00:22:28,041 Speaker 3: because you promised me before Christmas time that you would 514 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,921 Speaker 3: change the law. You would make changes in the first 515 00:22:30,961 --> 00:22:33,961 Speaker 3: sitting weeks that is in March in Tasmania, changes source 516 00:22:34,001 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: so we can get those autopsy photos. I want to 517 00:22:36,201 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: make sure Tasmanians understand that that is a promise that 518 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,281 Speaker 3: I was given from the Attorney General, and so were 519 00:22:41,281 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 3: the Westbrooks, the family. So I want to see that 520 00:22:44,281 --> 00:22:46,841 Speaker 3: legislation going through in March. I want to see those 521 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 3: autopsy photos. And like I've said to the police Commissioner, 522 00:22:51,561 --> 00:22:53,481 Speaker 3: I've said it outlawed very clear. If I'm wrong in 523 00:22:53,561 --> 00:22:55,641 Speaker 3: this case, I'll apologize. By the way, she hasn't said 524 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: the same thing back, but I would expect if I 525 00:22:57,721 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: am right, she will resign effective immediately, and her counterparts. 526 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,041 Speaker 3: We have a problem with policing in Tasmania, all right. 527 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,041 Speaker 1: It's not much difference to the military, to be honest 528 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to that, because. 529 00:23:07,681 --> 00:23:10,041 Speaker 3: I can assure you the leadership in there has a 530 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,121 Speaker 3: lot left to answer for it, not just ten years ago, 531 00:23:13,241 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: but today. You might want to go and speak to 532 00:23:16,201 --> 00:23:18,921 Speaker 3: your own props out there because they're not really impressed 533 00:23:18,961 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 3: with you. 534 00:23:19,521 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: Because I can assure there's plenty of them thanking me 535 00:23:21,441 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: for what I'm doing because they're not happy with the 536 00:23:23,481 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: leadership there. You're on very very thin. 537 00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:28,801 Speaker 3: Line here, and I intend to prove what I've always 538 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: been able to prove that Lee Young Edie was actually murdered. 539 00:23:31,681 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: She did not hang herself. 540 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: It's fired you up even more, didn't it. Oh? 541 00:23:39,721 --> 00:23:42,481 Speaker 3: Yeah, because more information care is coming in right, and 542 00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:45,041 Speaker 3: it gets worse and worse and worse. Everybody of information 543 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: that we get in is coming in a lot quickly 544 00:23:46,721 --> 00:23:48,241 Speaker 3: now because we're getting towards the end of it. 545 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:50,521 Speaker 1: We just need those autopsy photos. 546 00:23:50,561 --> 00:23:53,001 Speaker 3: So you know, God Marnack walking there and that first 547 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 3: day changed that law, and there will be no reason 548 00:23:54,961 --> 00:23:57,401 Speaker 3: why he won't get those votes. And I reckon, I'm 549 00:23:57,481 --> 00:23:59,561 Speaker 3: right on the ball with if something stinks, it's been 550 00:23:59,681 --> 00:24:00,801 Speaker 3: untidily dumb. 551 00:24:01,281 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: The evidence was never taken properly. 552 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,721 Speaker 3: So every time I get new evidence says more stuff 553 00:24:05,761 --> 00:24:08,801 Speaker 3: coming I'll get up and do another speech, and she 554 00:24:09,001 --> 00:24:11,961 Speaker 3: she's getting closer and closer. If I was a police 555 00:24:11,961 --> 00:24:15,001 Speaker 3: commissioner in Tasmaia, I'd be shooting myself, to be honest 556 00:24:15,041 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: with you, because I'm going to break this. 557 00:24:17,441 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the rope. You mentioned that 558 00:24:20,441 --> 00:24:22,801 Speaker 2: there was a similar case that happened a long time ago, 559 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 2: the Helen Bird case. I know you're aware of this. 560 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,281 Speaker 2: The similarities between the Helen Bird case and the in 561 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,721 Speaker 2: Westbrook cases that there's a few. Firstly, you've asked for 562 00:24:30,801 --> 00:24:33,641 Speaker 2: some RTIs. You've asked for that rope or at least 563 00:24:33,801 --> 00:24:37,001 Speaker 2: has the rope been forensically tested. In the Helen Bird case, 564 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,481 Speaker 2: the rope was not seized, its location was unknown, it 565 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,001 Speaker 2: didn't exist at the time of the inquest, it hadn't 566 00:24:45,041 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 2: been kept and they really were able to recreate the 567 00:24:49,801 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: use of that rope in the Helen Bird case to 568 00:24:52,521 --> 00:24:54,561 Speaker 2: be able to then decipher that hang on. There's no 569 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,321 Speaker 2: one in the world she could have hung herself like 570 00:24:56,441 --> 00:24:59,001 Speaker 2: that with that rope. Yeah. What you're asking in the 571 00:24:59,201 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: in Westbrook case as part of your submissions to the RTI, 572 00:25:02,921 --> 00:25:05,521 Speaker 2: is to say where is the rope and if the 573 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: rope no longer. It's just why does it no longer is? 574 00:25:08,761 --> 00:25:10,281 Speaker 3: And by the way it was that you're just taken 575 00:25:10,321 --> 00:25:13,041 Speaker 3: on the rope? Is that with the autopsy photos. So 576 00:25:13,201 --> 00:25:15,521 Speaker 3: we need I need those autopsy photos. I need to 577 00:25:15,561 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 3: see if there's a pack in there. Okay, but I 578 00:25:18,001 --> 00:25:20,761 Speaker 3: just think from those autopsy photos, and I think if 579 00:25:20,921 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: she was murdered, these people will crumble. 580 00:25:23,721 --> 00:25:26,281 Speaker 1: Whoever's done that. It won't take long before you put 581 00:25:26,281 --> 00:25:28,001 Speaker 1: the foot down and they start blaming each other, will 582 00:25:28,041 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: just come. I just need that clinture. 583 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,761 Speaker 2: So the rope is critical, and the way we get 584 00:25:32,801 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: to the rope is via the autopsy. 585 00:25:35,001 --> 00:25:38,241 Speaker 3: Yeah, the autopsy photos are critical more than anything else. 586 00:25:38,281 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 3: I need to say. Those autopsy photos. We all do 587 00:25:40,761 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: and we need to have them assessed independently. And we 588 00:25:43,521 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: know somebody from the mainland that's got fresh eyes, that 589 00:25:46,241 --> 00:25:48,161 Speaker 3: isn't aware of the case and needs to come down 590 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,801 Speaker 3: here and have a good look at it. Yeah, and 591 00:25:49,921 --> 00:25:52,481 Speaker 3: not someone paid out by the Tasmanian government. I don't 592 00:25:52,481 --> 00:25:54,241 Speaker 3: want to see any that shit going on because there's 593 00:25:54,281 --> 00:25:55,441 Speaker 3: too much of that going politics. 594 00:25:55,441 --> 00:25:57,481 Speaker 1: It needs a clear look over it. It needs clear 595 00:25:57,561 --> 00:26:00,561 Speaker 1: eyes and I need somebody that isn't brought up with cash. 596 00:26:01,321 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Byron Collins is one of those people who is 597 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: completely independent. He has been working with the Westbrooks for 598 00:26:08,281 --> 00:26:11,281 Speaker 2: a while. He's the one that was rejected as an 599 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,241 Speaker 2: independent forensic pathologist to look at that information. 600 00:26:15,561 --> 00:26:16,801 Speaker 1: Why would you reject somebody. 601 00:26:17,001 --> 00:26:17,921 Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. 602 00:26:17,921 --> 00:26:19,761 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense if there is a problem 603 00:26:19,801 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 3: and everyone's gone, oh okay, maybe we should look at that. 604 00:26:22,961 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: This is a problem in this country. 605 00:26:24,441 --> 00:26:26,761 Speaker 3: This is what politics has done to this country with 606 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,281 Speaker 3: all its cover ups and not giving whistlebliler legislation out 607 00:26:30,321 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 3: there for people to come forward. 608 00:26:31,761 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: Do you think the in Westbrook case is a Tasmanian 609 00:26:34,001 --> 00:26:36,041 Speaker 2: issue or is it a national issue? 610 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 3: Now? It's a national issue, and I can tell you 611 00:26:38,041 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: now the morale through our first responders, whether it's AFP, 612 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:46,361 Speaker 3: whether it's policing, our health professionals, or whether outs our military, 613 00:26:46,721 --> 00:26:50,481 Speaker 3: the leadership right across the board, across all those areas. 614 00:26:50,721 --> 00:26:55,001 Speaker 1: You're shocking. It is shocking. It is absolutely shocking. This 615 00:26:55,201 --> 00:26:56,721 Speaker 1: is the big problem that you have. 616 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,521 Speaker 3: Like I said, there are institutions they'd rather cover up 617 00:26:59,681 --> 00:27:00,561 Speaker 3: than get to the truth. 618 00:27:01,041 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: If somebody didn't do their job. Probably so be it okay, 619 00:27:04,761 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: but please be honest with. 620 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,281 Speaker 3: That and deal with it, and then take the back 621 00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:09,161 Speaker 3: and go, oh, you've missed this, young fellow or whatever. 622 00:27:09,281 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 3: You didn't do your investigation properly and that needs to 623 00:27:11,721 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 3: be fixed. But we're never going to get people to 624 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:17,921 Speaker 3: come forward do things like this if we don't open 625 00:27:18,001 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: it up. And you know, instead of cover. 626 00:27:19,561 --> 00:27:23,001 Speaker 2: Up, there's a lot here. What's the first step? Isn't 627 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,561 Speaker 2: Guy Barnett changing the rules around what the curenter can 628 00:27:26,681 --> 00:27:29,241 Speaker 2: release In the Westbrook case, I'd. 629 00:27:29,041 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: Say to Guy Barnett, you move your ass because I'm 630 00:27:30,921 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: imagine you're going to be an election by the end 631 00:27:32,241 --> 00:27:33,521 Speaker 3: of the year and you ain't getting back. 632 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:33,881 Speaker 1: In big boy. 633 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,681 Speaker 3: And if he doesn't realize the harm that he's doing 634 00:27:36,721 --> 00:27:39,761 Speaker 3: to the rest books by just lengthening this out even 635 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,121 Speaker 3: further and third thinking it's going to go away, it's 636 00:27:42,201 --> 00:27:45,001 Speaker 3: not going away today and it's not going away tomorrow. 637 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: I will never back off this case, and one way 638 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:49,561 Speaker 3: or another, I will get to the end of it 639 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,921 Speaker 3: because I always do. So you need to come out 640 00:27:52,001 --> 00:27:54,481 Speaker 3: clean now and give us what we want. Oh, I'll 641 00:27:54,561 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: just continue to belt you until we find out the truth. 642 00:27:57,961 --> 00:28:00,801 Speaker 2: Do you think this whole mess started because it was 643 00:28:00,961 --> 00:28:04,161 Speaker 2: shoddy police work, I think, and I'm just trying. 644 00:28:04,001 --> 00:28:05,561 Speaker 1: To find out and I can't answer this question, is 645 00:28:05,561 --> 00:28:07,241 Speaker 1: that we're just put in library studies and we're doing this. 646 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,281 Speaker 3: But I can remember being when I was very sticking 647 00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:12,161 Speaker 3: down and out during those two thousands that the Labour 648 00:28:12,241 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 3: Party down here they were in power and they reduced 649 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: our police forces. They reduced them. I just need to 650 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,801 Speaker 3: see that. That's what my memory tells me from back then. 651 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,561 Speaker 3: So I just want to see how that happened, because 652 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,161 Speaker 3: I do know, and I'll give it to the State 653 00:28:23,241 --> 00:28:25,561 Speaker 3: Liberal Party. They have been smashing them out the last 654 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,121 Speaker 3: four years to get those numbers back up, and I think, 655 00:28:28,201 --> 00:28:30,761 Speaker 3: if I'm right about here, what's happened here is I 656 00:28:30,961 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: just don't think they had the numbers on the ground 657 00:28:32,681 --> 00:28:35,601 Speaker 3: properly because they reduced to nothing. So I think that's 658 00:28:35,681 --> 00:28:37,761 Speaker 3: what's occurred here. That's been part of the problem. But 659 00:28:38,001 --> 00:28:39,881 Speaker 3: just let me double check that, you know, and it's 660 00:28:39,881 --> 00:28:42,361 Speaker 3: not because of anyone's fault. It's just a role on effect. 661 00:28:42,801 --> 00:28:44,241 Speaker 3: You know that it just went this is it and 662 00:28:44,361 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: this is clean cart and she's hung usself and they 663 00:28:47,641 --> 00:28:50,161 Speaker 3: just did not think, is this foul play? 664 00:28:50,761 --> 00:28:51,601 Speaker 2: It that was it? 665 00:28:51,681 --> 00:28:55,041 Speaker 3: It was just that's it one mind, and therefore they've 666 00:28:55,081 --> 00:28:56,521 Speaker 3: missed all that crucial information and. 667 00:28:56,561 --> 00:28:57,161 Speaker 1: That can happen. 668 00:28:57,401 --> 00:28:59,761 Speaker 2: There's a couple of other things that around that time. 669 00:29:00,201 --> 00:29:02,401 Speaker 2: We've talked about the girl we call Kate. We know 670 00:29:02,601 --> 00:29:06,361 Speaker 2: Kate has never been spoken to formally by We also 671 00:29:06,521 --> 00:29:10,561 Speaker 2: know the phone that Eden used that night stayed here 672 00:29:10,841 --> 00:29:14,081 Speaker 2: and then obviously was cremated with her body, but was 673 00:29:14,161 --> 00:29:17,601 Speaker 2: never seized by police. We're unsure where the rope is. 674 00:29:17,721 --> 00:29:20,401 Speaker 2: We don't know whether the rope was seized. There's also 675 00:29:20,801 --> 00:29:23,921 Speaker 2: the opportunities for us to see on paper an interview 676 00:29:24,001 --> 00:29:26,401 Speaker 2: with the young boy that Eden was talking to that 677 00:29:26,521 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: would give some idea of what Eden's frame of mind 678 00:29:30,841 --> 00:29:34,121 Speaker 2: was prior to her allegedly taking her own life, But 679 00:29:34,241 --> 00:29:36,961 Speaker 2: there's nothing on record. She want to be right about that, 680 00:29:37,121 --> 00:29:38,521 Speaker 2: So what are you worried about? 681 00:29:38,641 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Well, what I'm trying to work out is We've got 682 00:29:41,481 --> 00:29:42,001 Speaker 1: Eden's number. 683 00:29:42,041 --> 00:29:44,681 Speaker 3: I want to go back in to those telecommunication companies, 684 00:29:44,721 --> 00:29:47,241 Speaker 3: whoever she was, and I want to ask them personally. 685 00:29:47,881 --> 00:29:50,681 Speaker 3: I want to see whether or not I can obtain that. 686 00:29:50,801 --> 00:29:52,601 Speaker 3: When you want to get data, you can usually get it. 687 00:29:52,601 --> 00:29:54,121 Speaker 3: I mean we're not talking about two thousand and one 688 00:29:54,241 --> 00:29:56,121 Speaker 3: or two thousand. I just don't believe you cannot get 689 00:29:56,241 --> 00:29:58,921 Speaker 3: something off that mobile phone back then. I just find 690 00:29:58,961 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: that ridiculous. I mean, they might wate things after a 691 00:30:01,601 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: seriously time. I don't know, but I want to know 692 00:30:03,321 --> 00:30:06,601 Speaker 3: from telecommunications company, so I'll have an expert with me 693 00:30:06,721 --> 00:30:07,681 Speaker 3: over the next few weeks. 694 00:30:07,721 --> 00:30:09,961 Speaker 1: I want to know how that works and just so, 695 00:30:10,281 --> 00:30:11,161 Speaker 1: and I'll call them. 696 00:30:11,161 --> 00:30:13,761 Speaker 2: Because there's also the question of if Kate was with 697 00:30:14,041 --> 00:30:16,761 Speaker 2: Eden in the skate park on that evening, then it 698 00:30:16,761 --> 00:30:20,161 Speaker 2: would be very easy to go we've pinned her phone, 699 00:30:20,641 --> 00:30:22,601 Speaker 2: we knew she was there or she wasn't there. 700 00:30:22,801 --> 00:30:24,481 Speaker 3: It's not just about that. I want to see what's 701 00:30:24,481 --> 00:30:26,241 Speaker 3: going on in for lead up. I want to see 702 00:30:26,321 --> 00:30:28,761 Speaker 3: what where Eden was leading into that four weeks. I 703 00:30:28,841 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: want to see if there was texting to her from 704 00:30:31,561 --> 00:30:33,321 Speaker 3: people that shouldn't have been sending her text. 705 00:30:33,561 --> 00:30:34,801 Speaker 1: That's what I want to record of. 706 00:30:35,481 --> 00:30:37,281 Speaker 2: As we get close to the end of this episode, 707 00:30:37,281 --> 00:30:39,241 Speaker 2: I want to talk about We've covered the rope, We've 708 00:30:39,281 --> 00:30:42,361 Speaker 2: covered the autopsy, We've covered the person that's called Kate 709 00:30:42,481 --> 00:30:46,001 Speaker 2: that's never really been formally interviewed. We've got questions around 710 00:30:46,041 --> 00:30:50,401 Speaker 2: the phone. And then there's the issue of Paul Reynolds, 711 00:30:50,721 --> 00:30:53,241 Speaker 2: the currents associate who was connected to the case. 712 00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:56,881 Speaker 3: Oh, the filthy pedophile, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's also 713 00:30:56,921 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: a word around here that that might have been a 714 00:30:58,641 --> 00:31:00,881 Speaker 3: pedophile group down here in Saint Helen. So always needs 715 00:31:00,881 --> 00:31:02,681 Speaker 3: to be cleared up and it needs to be done. 716 00:31:02,721 --> 00:31:04,481 Speaker 3: And when Paul Reynolds, as soon as his name comes 717 00:31:04,481 --> 00:31:06,041 Speaker 3: in it, you go users christ. 718 00:31:05,801 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: Here we go. 719 00:31:06,961 --> 00:31:09,001 Speaker 3: Something happened down here during that period of time, and 720 00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:11,521 Speaker 3: I want to know what it is. When this first 721 00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:13,881 Speaker 3: happened and I was down here, the community did not 722 00:31:13,961 --> 00:31:16,481 Speaker 3: want to talk about it back then. They've actually opened 723 00:31:16,561 --> 00:31:18,601 Speaker 3: up now and gone maybe there was a bit of 724 00:31:18,641 --> 00:31:19,561 Speaker 3: a problem, Maybe there is. 725 00:31:19,601 --> 00:31:20,081 Speaker 1: Something to this. 726 00:31:20,641 --> 00:31:22,841 Speaker 2: We've had lots of people coming forward on the podcast, 727 00:31:23,001 --> 00:31:25,401 Speaker 2: and none of those seem to have been investigated. 728 00:31:25,721 --> 00:31:28,481 Speaker 1: No, And I think I wonder if that's what worries. 729 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:31,521 Speaker 1: They don't want to crack this because it's just going 730 00:31:31,601 --> 00:31:34,401 Speaker 1: to go into an octopus if we find sheit was murdered. 731 00:31:34,841 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: And I think that other people are going to come 732 00:31:36,441 --> 00:31:38,921 Speaker 3: forward and go, yeah, and I was sexually abused down here, 733 00:31:39,001 --> 00:31:40,281 Speaker 3: and all that, and it's going to open up a 734 00:31:40,361 --> 00:31:43,601 Speaker 3: can of rooms. We've just got to crack this case. 735 00:31:43,721 --> 00:31:47,201 Speaker 3: This is center to everything before anything else can happen. 736 00:31:48,601 --> 00:31:51,881 Speaker 2: Do you think we can solve this in twenty twenty five? 737 00:31:52,601 --> 00:31:55,161 Speaker 1: I need those autopsy, so you give me them and 738 00:31:55,281 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: then we can all have a good look at them 739 00:31:56,801 --> 00:31:58,841 Speaker 1: and then we can take it further. I wouldn't think 740 00:31:58,881 --> 00:32:01,601 Speaker 1: that was a lot to ask either way. The investigation 741 00:32:01,761 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: was not done for it was not done. He went 742 00:32:03,241 --> 00:32:04,841 Speaker 1: in there with one mind. She hung herself. That was 743 00:32:05,601 --> 00:32:07,881 Speaker 1: so they didn't bother doing anything else. And that's just 744 00:32:08,081 --> 00:32:09,721 Speaker 1: lazy policing full stop. 745 00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,961 Speaker 2: You mentioned before there are people in town that know 746 00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:13,561 Speaker 2: what happened. 747 00:32:15,521 --> 00:32:17,881 Speaker 3: But if they're not in town anymore and they've moved 748 00:32:17,921 --> 00:32:20,281 Speaker 3: out and you know what's happened with Eadie, I would 749 00:32:20,321 --> 00:32:22,401 Speaker 3: suggest you come forward because I am going to crack 750 00:32:22,481 --> 00:32:24,921 Speaker 3: this and if we are right and she's murdered, you're 751 00:32:24,961 --> 00:32:27,481 Speaker 3: coming down anyway. So I suggest you come forward early. 752 00:32:27,961 --> 00:32:29,521 Speaker 3: And if you're too scared to go to the police, 753 00:32:29,761 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: you don't want to go to anyone, you come to me. 754 00:32:31,681 --> 00:32:35,601 Speaker 2: Just come to me. Federal election this year, does that 755 00:32:35,761 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: change things for TASMANI do you think it. 756 00:32:38,521 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: Doesn't change anything? 757 00:32:40,241 --> 00:32:40,561 Speaker 2: Eatie. 758 00:32:40,721 --> 00:32:42,921 Speaker 3: Unless I get done and I'm thrown out, then that's 759 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: going to make it really hard because a lot of 760 00:32:44,201 --> 00:32:46,561 Speaker 3: the stuff I can pull out is under privilege, and 761 00:32:46,681 --> 00:32:48,481 Speaker 3: if I go out and say that in the normal world, 762 00:32:48,521 --> 00:32:52,401 Speaker 3: I'll be sued. So that's the advantage I have, and 763 00:32:52,481 --> 00:32:54,601 Speaker 3: that's how come we can crack so much. Was even 764 00:32:54,641 --> 00:32:56,521 Speaker 3: if I'm not sure, I can say I want to 765 00:32:56,601 --> 00:32:58,961 Speaker 3: know the answer to this question, did this happen? 766 00:32:59,961 --> 00:33:02,241 Speaker 1: I think as long as I can maintain my seat, 767 00:33:02,241 --> 00:33:05,361 Speaker 1: which hopefully I can, then we will continue to this. 768 00:33:05,521 --> 00:33:07,881 Speaker 3: But the best thing that Soney General Dan here could 769 00:33:07,921 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: do is do something godly, just for once in his 770 00:33:10,401 --> 00:33:14,081 Speaker 3: goddamn wife, get that legislation through in the first sitting 771 00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:15,241 Speaker 3: in March in State. 772 00:33:16,161 --> 00:33:17,281 Speaker 1: If he gives a shit. 773 00:33:17,321 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: About the Westbrooks, then I say to Barnett, then you 774 00:33:20,561 --> 00:33:21,681 Speaker 3: get that legislation through. 775 00:33:21,761 --> 00:33:23,001 Speaker 1: That should be your first. 776 00:33:22,961 --> 00:33:26,721 Speaker 3: Day when you sit him March in State Parliament. So 777 00:33:26,761 --> 00:33:29,041 Speaker 3: if he really gives a shit about people's lives, let's 778 00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:29,721 Speaker 3: see what he's got. 779 00:33:30,361 --> 00:33:31,801 Speaker 2: Jackie, thanks for spending time with me. 780 00:33:32,001 --> 00:33:33,841 Speaker 1: That's all right. It's good because I'm starting to get 781 00:33:33,841 --> 00:33:36,161 Speaker 1: really I right about it. As you can see, I. 782 00:33:36,281 --> 00:33:38,281 Speaker 3: Just want to know, you know, and you get you 783 00:33:38,401 --> 00:33:41,441 Speaker 3: get the thing it's to you get really heavily involved, 784 00:33:42,161 --> 00:33:43,561 Speaker 3: and you see the hurt. 785 00:33:45,401 --> 00:33:48,241 Speaker 1: It's been going on for too long. I just we 786 00:33:48,481 --> 00:33:51,481 Speaker 1: just want to know the truth. And it's more important 787 00:33:52,001 --> 00:33:55,361 Speaker 1: for the Westbrooks and the kids to know what happened 788 00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:56,681 Speaker 1: to their daughter and their sister. 789 00:33:57,601 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: And we need to know this and they're never going 790 00:33:59,321 --> 00:33:59,721 Speaker 2: to move on. 791 00:34:01,201 --> 00:34:04,601 Speaker 1: And I want to know because if Eddie was murdered, 792 00:34:04,761 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: I want people help responsible for that. I want to 793 00:34:07,521 --> 00:34:12,961 Speaker 1: know what we're down in. Thanks Jackie, honey, we're gonna 794 00:34:12,961 --> 00:34:16,121 Speaker 1: get taught. We're gonna find out what happened to Thank 795 00:34:16,161 --> 00:34:16,881 Speaker 2: You so much.