WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 26 June 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.040 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. We 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.480 may hear the first words from Julian massanj after returning 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.560 to Australian soil in the next couple of minutes and 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.520 you will see them here on Sky News. As you know, 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:21.919 he has landed back in Canberra, back in Australia, the 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.000 first time in Australia. I understand in the best part 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.720 of fifteen years, and certainly we know all of the 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:28.800 legal dramas, all of the up and downs that have 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.600 taken place tonight. I don't want to spend a couple 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.519 of seconds not focusing on the good go bad guy 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.400 part of this, but about how the perceptions of this man, 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:43.760 his organization, his movement, his distrust of institutions has changed 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.040 over the years. Now, as you know, he was greeted 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.159 by jeers from supporters. He was able to physically re 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.600 embrace his wife as a free man. And again we 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:59.160 are expecting comments from mister Ossange and his representatives, his 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.320 family who are in Canberra with him. That will happen 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.399 live the next couple of minutes. As soon as that 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.200 starts to get close, you will start to see that 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.160 at the bottom of your screen will of course interrupt 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.119 every and anything we're doing, because that is the big 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.720 and breaking news that literally is making worldwide headlines tonight. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.160 Now forgive me for finding a small moment of mirth 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.120 inside this giant news story. And it was, of course, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.640 when Juliana Sange was appearing in an American court in 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:30.200 an American territory just north of Guam. Now we were 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.000 told the only person who was flying from the United 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.440 Kingdom to this territory was going to be Stephen Smith, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.840 a representative of the government in London. But you may 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.319 well have noticed that, I'll make Kay Rudd, the ambassador 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.640 of Australia to the United States, popped up and well 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.040 he's stuck to him like glue. Not just because he 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.760 wanted to be with a man who has supported for 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.520 a long period of time. I'm not going to pretend otherwise, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.680 but also because there was one or two cameras around 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.600 and ka Rud saw this was the moment where he 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.520 could get himself back into that into national spotlight. Now 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.480 I don't know what happened, whether he left back and 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.959 flew back to the mainland, or whether he was waiting 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.119 on the plane with everyone else. We'll all find out 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.639 again as the night rolls on. But there are a 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.800 couple of fascinating things to see about the what's next 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.160 about Julia Massange now obviously time with family, a break 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:22.600 all the rest of it. Does he go back to 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.680 the central point of Wiki leaks and their efforts that 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.679 got him into trouble in the first place, or does 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.040 he have a political future in Australia. Now, the Senate 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.000 is a place that is known to Juliana Massange because 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.400 he's already run for it. And what a difference the 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.280 best part of a dozen years makes. It was back 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.680 in twenty twelve when Julian Massange tried to join the 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.560 Senate as he ran for a seat in Victoria, as 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:54.480 I say, in the twenty and twelve election. Now, what 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.440 will be interesting here is that if he wanted to 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.720 go for a political future, he would of course get 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.400 something that is a rare privilege, but an important privilege 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.360 for people who want to say whatever they want and 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.519 be free of any consequences, and that is parliamentary privilege. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.680 Down the track this next election, the one after that, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.320 in five elections time, who knows whether that's what Julian 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.560 Assange is going to end up doing or want to do, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.480 whether he can do it from a state with a 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.560 larger population, or he can do it from a place 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.760 that's probably even more favorable to his actions and to 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.520 where he is tonight, and that is literally the place 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.320 he is tonight, the Act. Don't forget they are about 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.639 to be changes to the number of senators that will 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.280 expand the number of senators, meaning it won't just be two, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.520 but it'll be four that will be coming from the 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.120 Act and the Northern Territory. Is this a path to 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.720 his future? We will all learn together. But again tonight, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.600 I want to take a couple of seconds, after this 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.000 press conference has taken place, to not focus on the 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.640 good go bad guy, but how things have changed, how 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.280 dramatically things have changed, not just about how people perceive 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:03.880 Julian Massange, but the battle around information, about which side 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.320 of the information game is too big to defy or 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.280 too big to ignore. It's an interesting chat and we'll 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:12.680 have it in a couple of minutes time. But of 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.760 course the Prime Minister is owning this decision as one 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.480 that is of course only possible because of his own 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.119 efforts with President Joe Biden and a series of people 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.159 underneath him. Yes, this is a significant decision which is 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.800 only made possible because of Frankly, this combination of Prime Minister, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.039 Foreign Minister and American ambassador. And the Prime Minister is 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.200 not hiding from it. In fact, he was there when 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.279 the country was watching Assange getting off the plane just 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:40.360 before the foot he started. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:48.960 And the objective here was to conclude these matters. They 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.120 have been concluded. They've been concluded in a way that 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:58.400 has achieved the outcome that was sought, which is Julian 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.520 Assange is now home here in Australia. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.840 The Prime Minister also very clear that this will be 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.880 one of the significant achievements of his prime ministership, regardless 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:09.679 of how long it goes. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.359 He expressed his thanks to what he described as a 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:21.120 diplomatic a team. When I spoke about the role that 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.680 Kevin and Stephen have been able to play. Kevin Rudd 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.719 worked very hard, as did Stephen Smith, as did the 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.920 Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, as did the Chiney 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.440 generalize did others as well. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.960 All right, in the battle in and around which side 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.200 governments for whether they fall on the diplomatic side the 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.640 national security side. Very obviously they fell on Assner's side 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.320 and pushed for this outcome. Again. In the next couple 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.360 of minutes, we will hear from potentially mister Assarne himself, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.400 but certainly people are representing him. You'll hear all of that. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.000 He on Skyine. He's in a moment or two his time. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.680 But first let me try and jam in the rest 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.839 of the day's news because it is big. In fact, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.919 the biggest news story in Camber today was not the 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.360 arrival of Julianus Arrange, even though that will be considered 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:14.280 the bigger news. The bigger news is that inflation went up. Now, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.080 this has serious consequences. Now, we've been told by the 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.400 Prime Minister and the Treasurer when they were putting together 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.760 and selling their federal budget that the decisions that they 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.800 were announcing at the start of May were going to 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.279 have little to know, in fact, the opposite effect on 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.760 inflation than what actually happened in the month after they 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.600 announced the budget, which was that inflation has gone. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:43.039 Up, that our responsible and methodical and measured approach to 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.040 the budget is keeping pressure off inflation. Our responsible and 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.919 methodical and measured approach to the budget is keeping pressure 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.560 off inflation. Their budget will put downward pressure on inflation. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.239 The budget will put downward pressure on inflation, not upward 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.520 pressure on inflation. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:00.840 But as I say, the reality of what has been 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.320 announced today is that inflation has gone back up. Remember, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.800 two to three percent is what the Reserve Bank wants 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.360 it to be, and that's when they start considering cutting 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.560 interest rates. It got down into the mid threes. But 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.880 now we're back up over the falls. So if four 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.520 percent was the average, have a look at all of 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.440 the things that were above average in the past month, 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.120 tobacco and tobacco taxes, which are part of the basket 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.960 of goods under which they decide whether inflation is going 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.520 up or down and whether or not there has to 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.560 be a response Ya the Reserve Bank, Well, that's fairly obvious. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.000 That goes through the roof petrol geez, who's been talking 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.760 about petrol day in, day out, week in week out, 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.800 and how the government is not going to touch anything 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.560 to do with it, not just the commodity, but the 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.600 taxation on top of it, insurance anyone who's tried to 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.720 ensure their car, boat, house, all the rest of it. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.560 You know, it's gone up rent again, Alcohol, tobacco as 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.440 a combination electricity. Now we were being told that power 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.320 bills were starting to go down. No, all it's about 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.360 to happen is from July one, there'll be tenty five 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.280 dollars a month from mansions to one bedroom units that 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:08.520 we will all wait, watch and see together. Health, housing, education, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.840 people buying new houses. Transport again, not just what is 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.440 happening when it comes to the cars we drive, but 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.360 to all other forms of it. And fruit and vege. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.600 Now fruit and vege was actually going backwards when it 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.040 came to inflation. Prices had dropped, but there had been 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:28.480 quite a significant change in the past month. When having 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.360 to own this today, the man who was saying that 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.960 his policies were doing the exact opposite of what they 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.360 were doing, Grim Jim said this today. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.480 And it's not unusual around the world in countries where 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.079 inflation peaked higher and earlier than it did here in Australia. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.600 It's not unusual, particularly with these more volatile monthly figures, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.880 for the number two bounce around and zigzag on the 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:50.400 way down. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.160 Now part of the problem, of course, with ongoing inflation 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.120 and inflation going the opposite direction of the two to 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.559 three percent we're now at four percent of whether it 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.840 reserve wants it to go is what the Reserve Bank 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.480 will do. Now, Remember this government has fiddled with the 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.559 way that the system works where we don't have monthly meetings. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.680 There's one every six ish weeks. But certainly at the 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.560 next meeting, every indication is that the numbers were remain 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.320 the way they are. With a bunch of other inputs, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.720 we're probably going to get a dam increase, which is unbelievable. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:21.439 Now. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.120 Of course, of the last meeting that just took place 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.760 a couple of weeks ago, the report was that the 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.560 Reserve Bank didn't even consider cutting rates. In fact, there 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.439 was a discussion held about whether they should go up. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.400 Make no mistake the information that took place today, the 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:39.640 inflation number that appeared today makes the case towards an 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:45.160 interest rate increase. Now, since this government came to power, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.520 there have been twelve interest rate rises. There was one 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.400 prior to that. But the difference between May twenty twenty 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.960 two and today, and I've shown you this stat how 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.719 many times fourteen and a half thousand dollars people are 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.280 trying to pay off a loan of five hundred thousand 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.520 dollars have had to fined twenty one thousand, if it's 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.880 seven hundred fifty thousand dollars, or if for million dollars 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.840 and above. Clearly the numbers go higher the more you 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.320 go twenty nine thousand dollars you've had to find that 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.679 you did not have to pay in May of twenty 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:16.440 twenty two. The immediate response to these numbers is not if, 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.880 but when. Unbelievably, now we are talking about an increase 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.120 to interest rates. Now we had thought there was some 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.000 level of tapering off and maybe going down. But if 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.920 inflation keeps going up these numbers, will they continue to 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:33.400 be high? Can Stars Steve, one of their economists, says, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.320 with scared evidence that inflation is moving towards the target ban, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.360 the Reserve Bank will feel uncomfortable waiting for three months 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.160 for the following release of quarterly CPI and they will 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:48.520 surely lift rates, repeat, surely lift rates in August. The 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:53.040 risk of baked in inflation expectations are too high now. Amazingly, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.760 despite this being the actual fact, the Prime Minister spoke 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.520 to his MPs today and trying to rev up those MPs. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.440 He told them to go back into the streets and 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.720 argue only cost of living, that this government is doing 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.080 everything it can possibly do on cost of living, despite 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.240 the fact that we have charted Uphill and Downdale on 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.200 many many elements of detail, why that is not actually 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.520 the case. And of course, amazingly, the very same people 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:21.960 who are going to be telling you it's all about 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.880 cost of living are the same people who got a 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.600 pay rise last week. The Prime Minister is now up 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:32.640 to six hundred thousand dollars. Ministers their way over their 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.680 mark as well, and of course the Government General beast 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:40.240 on seven hundred thousand dollars. Now as we speak, as 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.120 I say, we're standing by to find out what is 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.040 about to happen here, which is a hotel in Caner. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.280 Let's take the wide shot if we can, guys, because 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.520 as you can see, the preparation is there. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:49.880 Now. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.760 Wiki Leaks are trying to appeal for people to help 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.920 try to raise the best part of I think it's 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.200 seven hundred and fifty thousand Australian dollars, a little less 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.880 in US dollars because the Australian government is the one 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.000 who paid for the private jet and now WikiLeaks have 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.360 to pay back the Australian government, presumably the press conference 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.760 that is being used that is about to begin in 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.520 a moment or two time. You can see all of 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.200 the media ready as they'll ever be. I'm seeing multiple 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.760 camera angles here of the hotel, everything from the driveway 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.600 where he will probably be arriving in moments, the door 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.679 that he will be going through where there are Greens, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:27.120 senators among others that are waiting to welcome him into 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.960 the room. And then of course those microphones where presumably 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.080 we will hear from Julianasange. If not, we may well 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.440 see him, but hear from his family members. We just 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.120 don't know exactly where it's going to be, but you 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.800 can see QR codes and all the rest of it. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.640 This is an opportunity to get the word out to 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.560 try to raise money to do their best to pay 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.600 back seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's what it 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.920 costs to get a private jet to fly you from 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.720 the UK to an American territory and then to Australia. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.400 More in moments time. As I say, I'm seeing a 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.240 lot of movement in and around this wholeel, tell I 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.280 won't know exactly what the hotel is for of your 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.920 security reasons but yeah, we will get some moments there, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.640 so I can quickly jump into another topic here, which 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.920 is the media, of course, was rather excited about telling 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.800 us that there was a Labor senator who voted against 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:19.920 the Labor Party about this time yesterday. Labor Senator Fatima 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.560 Payman faces expulsion from the party tonight after crossing the 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.880 floor and voting to recognize the state of Palestine. One 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.320 of his senators has crossed the floor to side with 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.000 the Greens. The Labor Senator Fatima Payman has crossed the 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.200 floor of Parliament to vote with the Greens on a 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.320 motion to recognize the state of Palestine. Well, who knew 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.800 you want an issue such as Palestine Israel? But certainly 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.240 when it comes to punishment for those who vote against 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.320 the government, we have to bring out the old each way, Alba, 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.840 you know the very expensive graphic that we spent minutes 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:58.120 thinking about building. That's because, surprise, surprise, one thing was 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.320 said yesterday and another thing happened today. Now briefed out 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.760 to the media last night was this expectation of what 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.440 was going to happen to the senator. Remember, the first 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:12.560 senator to vote against government since the mid eighties. There 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.680 is no mandated sanction in these circumstances, and previous caucus 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.920 members acrossed the floor without facing expulsion, the expectation being 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.120 that there would be no punishment whatsoever. As I said, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.200 quick chick, if the history books tells us the last 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.960 time a Labor person voted against their own government while 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.760 they were in government was way back in the era 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.720 when Bob Hawk was the Prime minister, and that was 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.520 I think, I said last night nine to eighty six. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:45.200 I apologize. It is nineteen eighty eight. So the expectation was, well, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.080 we can't possibly do too much here because if we 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.160 annoy her, she may end up leaving the party, going 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.400 into the going into the hands of the Greens. If 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.120 that's the case, there could be a flow on effect 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:58.360 when it comes to Islamic votes. Well, today we found 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.600 out what the serious punishment was going to be for 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.560 what was taking place. Well, guess what. Here is the 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.200 punishment that she has received for being the first person 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.360 for the Labor Party to vote against the government since 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:11.480 nineteen eighty eight. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.480 I met with Senator Punparly today. She will not be 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.800 attending the Labor Caucus for the rest of this session. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.960 What I do as showed leadership for our United team. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.480 Oh wow, what a punishment when the punishment could be 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.720 you're booted out of the Labor Party. Because the Senate 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.120 is so tight her number would be needed to still 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.200 pass anything. They don't want to raise her profile other 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.160 than what it currently is, not even the slap on 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.360 the wrist. I think for most people they would consider 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.000 not having to go to group work meetings as hardly 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.400 a punishment. But thanks very much for the day off. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.960 Her punishment will be one meeting long. It will take 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.000 place next week and that will be it. However, the 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.600 Greens wanting to try to force the scenario where she 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.120 votes the same way again and then the punishments keep 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.080 upping until she's either booted or she leaves the party. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.720 Thus the flow and effects of more Islamic votes or 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.360 certainly pro Gaza votes making their way towards the Greens. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.360 So watch this space. I think there's going to be 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.320 fair amount on that in the next sitting week. There's 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.120 another week to go in federal Parliament. Meantime, some eager 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:19.840 EIDE people have noticed, well, okay, if you can cross 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.520 the floor and all you do is miss one meeting, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.400 perhaps there's an opportunity when it comes to things other 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.240 people in the Labor Party believe. Pettervan Onnsulin, running in 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.840 the Daily Mail Today, interestingly noted what Labour MPs really 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.400 think about nuclear power but are too afraid to say 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.320 in public. At least two Labor MPs think that the 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.000 Commonwealth legislative ban on nuclear power plants should be removed, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.640 telling the Daily Mail Australia that or is stupid, unnecessary 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.080 and out of date. The MPs indicated that they would 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.200 even be willing to cross the floor so to pull 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.160 a fatima if they will and support a coalition move 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.320 to lift the band if the Prime Minister Anthony Abernezi 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.800 were to guarantee they wouldn't face sanctions for violating party rules. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.520 So put simply, if it's good enough for her, it's 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.800 good enough for us. Literally, that's what the quote says. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.560 If it's okay for her to do it, then would 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.000 didn't it be okay for the rest of us to 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.800 exercise our conscience on other issues? This is the problem 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.919 in terms of the party discipline stuff. Now in the 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.960 Liberal Party they don't have this rule, and the Labor 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.879 Party they do, yet they will selectively enforce it. Depending 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.920 on what the political consequences are. One rule for one run, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.160 rule for everyone else. It's kind of a perfect embodiment 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:25.160 of the way this government works. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:25.440 Right. 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.200 We shouldn't be afraid to left the nuclear ban, says 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:33.040 one of these people, and they should do so soon. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.840 Championing lifting the band would be political suicide. So no 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.239 thank you, says another MP when asked about it. In 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:44.800 terms of the preparation of this story. Meantime, as we 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.840 stand by for this conversation, which can be taking place 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.760 a couple of moments time, I'm just watching the latest 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.600 live pitches that are coming to us from canber It's 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.720 the same in terms of the lectern, but more people 0:17:54.760 --> 0:18:00.560 are moving their way in. Rob is there. I noticed Cameron, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.240 who's worked with us for some time. He's there to 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.560 cover the event, along with many other people inside the 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.360 news ecosystem of Canberra. I'm looking at the standby pictures 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.280 as well of people around the doors. So everyone's in 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.280 place and will wait and see what is taking place. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.720 In moments time. I'm just bouncing in and out because 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.280 I want to check as much as you so I 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.199 can see whether I've got enough time to quickly squeeze 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.040 another point in which I will now do this time 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:27.320 it is about one of the consequences of the COVID lockdowns, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.200 the COVID lockdowns that so many want us to forget about, 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.439 that we will not have a royal commission into despite 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.439 the fact that every single person who died alone and 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.120 the people whose family were left behind, all of those 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.280 people deserve that royal commission. But we know it's not 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.280 going to happen. Why because they'd have to go after 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.560 some of the disastrous decisions of the States, including this decision. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.359 At the time that the North Faced Man was giving 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:56.119 us daily press conferences, collective surgery other than four category 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.600 one and the most urgent category two patients will be 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.120 suspect bended forth with now. At the time, we said 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.080 that this was a disgrace because many people who have 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:11.000 so called elective surgery are people who have basically anything 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.000 but life saving surgery. Now, this can be the most 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:19.720 serious things which are borderline touch and go through the yes, 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.199 cosmetic procedures, but the extreme majority of people with so 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.200 called elective surgery, they need it because they're in pain, 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.560 because they will get sicker the longer that they haven't 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.800 been able to have it. We argued against this at 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.000 the time, but we all know anything Dan said was 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.679 the law and that was the way it was. Well, surprise, surprise. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.639 When you turn around and delay for a couple of 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.680 years the number of people who can have so called 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.160 elective surgery, the lists blow out. These are the latest 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.879 numbers which come from the Stratian Institute of Health and 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.080 Welfare that just in the financial year twenty two to 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.200 twenty three, seven hundred and thirty five thousand people ended 0:19:55.280 --> 0:20:00.400 up having their elective procedures, but another a one hundred 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:07.240 and fifty five thousand people were added to the waiting lists. Now, amazingly, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.880 we've had to get a story out of Victoria today 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.400 that tells us that elective surgery waiting lists are set 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:18.160 to balloon. Why because of budget decisions have been made 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.119 by the same government of which Andrews was a leader. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.240 But of course now is he just goes off to 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.520 the lifetime pension, he gets the Gold Medal for services 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.840 to public health. But the reality was while he was 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.720 campaigning in hospitals of the last state election, just like 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.919 when it came to the Commonwealth Games, that was all 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.760 the performance because the reality was that there are hospitals 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.800 which are now seeing things like anetheists having their contracts 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.360 cut because there's no money to pay for them. No Aethecists, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.880 of course, no surgery, no surgery, Longer waiting lists, longer 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.560 waiting lists, more pain. More pain equals more sickness. We 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.720 read here from today in the age doctors worn elective 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:03.119 surgery lists will balloon due to budget cuts as hospitals 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.280 are forced to scale back operations to meet financial demands 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.040