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Speaker 1: Go on turner off three sixty rugby league from every angle,

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Speaker 1: the DC drama continues to unravel right before our eyes.

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Speaker 1: Tonight will unpack what's quickly become one of the most

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Speaker 1: intriguing rugby league stories in recent memory. First, let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at how the last twenty four hours unfolding

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Speaker 1: A bit of talk about DCE and his future here

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Speaker 1: on the Northern Beaches Daily. Cherry Evans, at thirty six

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Speaker 1: years of age, basically achieved everything in the game. He

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Speaker 1: wants one more Premiership. Ring breaking news, DC tells Manly

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Speaker 1: he's leaving the club at season's end. So this is

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Speaker 1: this is big.

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Speaker 2: As my career comes to an end, I want it

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Speaker 2: to take my time, whether that's retiring or playing on

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Speaker 2: and by cutting ties with Manley this year and I

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Speaker 2: felt like that was the best chance for me to

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Speaker 2: have freedom throughout the year to take one time to choose.

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Speaker 3: Danty did speak to us in December he was going

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Speaker 2: You know, mainly said that they weren't going to offer

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Speaker 2: anything unless another club offered anything. Those offers didn't come

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Speaker 2: offer anything, which was fine.

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Speaker 1: It was live on air as we speak right now

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Speaker 1: breaking news. Mester Off and Penn have just contacted Fox

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Speaker 1: League and so they're going to counter this with a

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Speaker 1: two year offer. Said, this is far from over by

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Speaker 1: the sounds.

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Speaker 3: We just want to reiterate the point that the manly

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Speaker 3: ring of siegals this morning point to rot and Dale

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Speaker 3: Cherry Evans for the twenty six twenty seven season.

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Speaker 2: Was there an offer on the table of late not

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Speaker 3: We made an offer yesterday. It wasn't a knee jerk reaction.

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Speaker 3: We've been speaking about that.

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Speaker 1: For a while. Would you accept that respectfully?

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Speaker 2: No, because, as I said, I've been sleeping on this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no animosity there. There's no animosity between Day and

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Speaker 1: only just says agitating. He suggests that something else going

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Speaker 3: There is no problem with Dalian the club. There's no

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Speaker 3: problem with Dailian me personally. There's no problem with Daily

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Speaker 3: in the coach and this shouldn't have exploded into the

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Speaker 3: story it has. I reckon they could have put this

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Speaker 1: He reiterated that would be his last year at Manly.

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Speaker 1: We respected that. I mean, Dailey said last night I

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Speaker 1: was in the press conference. He said, there's no animosity

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Speaker 1: with the Manly club. There's no issues with the Manly club.

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Speaker 1: There no real stand but this would suggest there is animoster.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's still certain around what he wants

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know if he wants to retire.

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Speaker 3: He's got a coaching offer from us to coach beyond that,

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Speaker 3: but it's his decision.

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Speaker 1: Cherry bombshell the biggest story in rugby league in a

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Speaker 1: very very long time. Let's bring the journos in, poor

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Speaker 1: Crawley and Dean Bulldog Richie. I'll start with this. Were

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Speaker 1: Manly blindsided by DC's bombshell announcement? Gordy Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that's been there for ten years, their last premiership halfback,

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Speaker 1: to be his last year and he's going to leave

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Speaker 1: the club. Hen's why they rang into the show.

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Speaker 4: How could you be blindsided from your star player, your

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Speaker 4: longest serving club player, your captain who has been debating

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Speaker 4: you get blindsided on a day when he's going on

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Speaker 4: a TV show. I just don't see how they've stuffed

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Speaker 4: this up, Gordon. They had a hand full time he's

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Speaker 4: not four, top playmakers in the game. Mestrov says it

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Speaker 4: wasn't a knee jerk reaction. He hasn't been low balled. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he has that offer yesterday. That's a low ball offer

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Speaker 4: for a top three or four half back in the

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Speaker 1: I don't care how old he is. He should have

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Speaker 5: So do we believe that they were going to wait

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Speaker 1: Tell you what happened. In December.

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Speaker 6: They open up very preliminary talks, which was going to

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Speaker 6: option second year. Cherry then said to them, look, I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure whether I want to play anymore and I

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Speaker 6: Gordon your spot on, there was an unwritten agreement that

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Speaker 6: they would see how Cherry was after round six, how

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Speaker 6: Cherry comes out last night on national television and says

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Speaker 1: So that's how they were blinded. So why that's the

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Speaker 1: next question, isn't it. Why?

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Speaker 4: Like again, you've got to look at the management here, dog,

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Speaker 4: because it's there job to be on board with their

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Speaker 4: profile like Jerry Evans and his quality of play, what

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Speaker 4: you've got to find a way to get it.

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Speaker 1: But what I find interesting and a little bit strange

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Speaker 1: and putting myself in DC issues and even my management

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Speaker 1: that month he gave them a month time to negotiate

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Speaker 1: but he didn't give them much more than a month

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Speaker 6: I have no doubt that he's got another club and

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Speaker 6: they're paying him top dollar money.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to him. That's why he's going. Mainly, no

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Speaker 6: They fear that he is walking out the door because

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Speaker 1: Defend DC though in saying what I did, I spoke

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Speaker 1: got the ears pricked on a number of teams that

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Speaker 1: be some stuff going on behind closed doors. But the

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Speaker 1: that well, but I know a lot of people that

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Speaker 4: Around made the queen he said last night where he

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Speaker 4: said to him, if you do get an offer, bring

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Speaker 4: it back to us, Like, I don't know what you think,

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Speaker 4: but I would see that as disrespectful taking someone for granted,

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Speaker 4: because I should. But regardless of that, he is talking

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Speaker 1: They had an opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Why would he bring that quote out if it wasn't

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Speaker 4: something that had played on his mind, played on his mind.

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Speaker 1: It's cost him one of the best players in the cold.

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Speaker 5: He said he's not sure whether he wants to play,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe a where that you're telling me that

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Speaker 1: he's considering retirement or going to super League. That's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: That that is, that's garbage. He's playing on saying, well,

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Speaker 1: this is the thing. It's either a play. Can you

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Speaker 1: do you honestly think he's going to retire a playing

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Speaker 1: super League next year?

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Speaker 5: Not the way he's playing. Is that with the Dylan

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Speaker 5: Brown deal that's just gone. That is never going to happen.

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Speaker 4: But you're talking out of it. If he was thinking

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes you give him the respect.

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Speaker 5: So when he's played ten years and he's played the

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Speaker 5: you give him the respect, hey mate, And if there's

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Speaker 5: a deal that comes along the way, bring it to us.

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Speaker 6: I think Daily wanted to manage the narrative here and

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Speaker 1: But that's irritated manly take it as read. They're not happy.

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Speaker 6: Tony Mestrop's a very good CEO. I was there at

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Speaker 6: the conference today and he's saying what he has to say.

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Speaker 6: Because he's the front man of that. Clubs take it

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Speaker 5: They are filthy, so there must be animosity if he

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Speaker 6: There's also been amosity on both sides. Gordy, this is

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Speaker 6: Manly's window to win a premiership. Cherry's last thing he

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Speaker 1: So he's got two years in front of him. It's

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Speaker 1: his home club. He can retire a one club legend.

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Speaker 1: It's all there at Manley. He says, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to play that. Well, that's what's my point. There's got

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Speaker 1: to be something wrong there. Because he's got a strong

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Speaker 1: probably consider one of the premier clubs. That these are

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Speaker 1: Now I want to come to you with this cruel.

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Speaker 1: He mentioned that the club said sorry that they'd only

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Speaker 1: offer him a deal if a rival club did. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of that? That's what I spoke about

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you could not see that as

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Speaker 4: disrespectful for everything that he's put in for that club

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Speaker 4: over what fourteen fifteen years to have that put to

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Speaker 4: you if you get another Well, if that was the case,

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Speaker 4: and what he's done, I actually think what he's done

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Speaker 4: has gone away and it's shown great self belief and

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Speaker 4: conviction in his own ability that he's gone out and

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Speaker 4: said okay, if that was the case and they weren't

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Speaker 4: going to offer him a contract until another club, come,

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Speaker 4: well he's gone. You know what, I'll go and find

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Speaker 4: something and instead of going back to Manly, I'll go

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Speaker 4: forward and I'll show you what I can do. And

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Speaker 4: if that's what he's done, it's a great show of dignity.

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Speaker 4: When the media started to push and prod a bit

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Speaker 4: Peter Gentle, the Manly recruitment guru, picked up the phone.

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Speaker 6: And rang dce's agent Joe Weeby. That's when the conversation started.

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Speaker 6: Nine hours later, Cherry Evans says, I'm not playing for Manley.

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Speaker 1: They put an offer to his agent at twelve o'clock

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Speaker 6: Well, Manly is telling me that they, as I said,

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Speaker 6: But it wasn't a knee jerk reactionally because many were

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon they will blow the season up?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what it's got the possibility if

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Speaker 1: But it's going to.

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Speaker 4: Create if he can sell it to them someone, whether

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Speaker 5: If he can sell it to the players that I'm

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Speaker 1: I've seen no reason why it wouldn't galvanize them. He's

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Speaker 4: with Tom's injury concerns over time they've breath. You've got

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Speaker 4: it right, mate, the premiership window will slam shut?

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Speaker 5: What about the what about the CEO saying that there's

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Speaker 1: How can they're not has to be how can they

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Speaker 4: But because you've got the star player and the boss

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Speaker 4: There has to be something going on.

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Speaker 1: Which leads me to the next thing. This is why

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Speaker 1: and we're okay with that. Then we can move on

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Speaker 6: But broth If Cherry told the club he wasn't sure

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Speaker 1: On the same page. Then if you're if he's saying

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Speaker 1: Like it.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if it was Nathan Cleary and this happened,

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Speaker 1: And we roasted the club over that.

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Speaker 4: Well what mainly have done here, they've let their team

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Speaker 5: Then well, if he's going to leave Manly and we

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Speaker 5: spoke about their premiership window, who does he.

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Speaker 1: Go to take your pick?

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Speaker 4: There's probably eight or nine clubs that could do with him,

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Speaker 4: Like in the Faired income stakes. You've got Cleary that's

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Speaker 6: The three clubs that have been mootured all day and

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Speaker 1: And the Bulldogs, and the Bulldogs will be the smoky.

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Speaker 6: The Titans is a funny one because DC dramatically backfipped

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Speaker 5: But you think with Daisy there. They had a lot

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Speaker 1: But so all's going to happen there all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Now we are saying that he's going to be playing

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Speaker 6: Manly still hope breath that he will re sign. Look

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Speaker 6: it's probably PINEK and.

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Speaker 1: Fifty I record that's'll get out elsewhere. It's not.

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Speaker 6: It's not happening break but they must still have some

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Speaker 6: is a re backflip once? Who say you won't backflip again? Real,

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying if they've lodged the offer, it clearly.

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Speaker 1: Means that there is some internal.

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Speaker 4: Or is that just to pacify the fans. That's just

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Speaker 4: pacify the fans. But they had seven hundred, had four

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Speaker 6: Do you think seven hundred a year is low balling

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Speaker 6: a player who is still exceptional, but he's going on

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Speaker 4: I reckon at least two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: No, I think if he's a top three half, finely

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Speaker 1: I would have signed him for two years. And not

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Speaker 1: only would you have had one of the best hards

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Speaker 5: Didn't Ben Hunt go for six hundred and he was

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Speaker 1: They could have went for Locke Galvin. They could have.

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Speaker 1: They could have said, all right, we'll have DCE and

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Speaker 4: Put it to you this way, would you rather, right

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Speaker 4: this minute for next season, signed Dylan Brown for one

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Speaker 4: point three one point four or DCE for one point

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Speaker 1: Clearly, but it won't be. So that's what he's market.

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Speaker 1: But like thirteen years younger Orange, forget that, forget the

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Speaker 1: birth certificate. He's still You can't he is still in

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Speaker 1: the half backs.

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Speaker 5: And you cannot forget the burst off because for two

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, father Time's undefeaed.

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Speaker 4: But Gordy, I say this right, if he leaves Manly

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Speaker 4: at the end of the year, unless they get a halfback,

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Speaker 4: There are a chance if he's not saying that's.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying that I'm saying another sixty games out

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: If you've got you got your premission, which which leads

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Speaker 4: goes and you think about what where the roosters are

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Speaker 4: at the moment, and they have Sam Walker, James Dedesko,

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Speaker 1: Because we'll get to where he may land after this.

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Speaker 1: But DC, you said, you know, his reputation took a

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Speaker 1: hit after the Titans back flip, as you mentioned before,

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Speaker 1: we still haven't got is there a.

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Speaker 6: Chance, well, that's what happened on the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 1: There is there a chance that the fans turn on

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Speaker 1: him after after this. Well, it'll be interesting to be

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Speaker 1: at Brookvale. This Sunday, Manly plays Paramatta. Will the fans

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Speaker 1: boo him Eels fans booed Dylan Edwards, Dylan Brown Rather,

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Speaker 1: of course they will. But do you brew a club legend?

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Speaker 1: I think is very different to the d c d

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Speaker 1: He's one of a premiership. He's in great form. He's

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Speaker 4: I think he goes out and has a blinder, they'll

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Speaker 4: be they'll be billing the chairman's box mate, That's what

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Speaker 4: It'll be, one or the other.

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Speaker 1: And that's the unfortunate thing. Paint hats when he was negotiating.

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Speaker 5: He's been the best player for the last seven years,

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Speaker 5: so it doesn't but that's what fans do. Of course,

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Speaker 5: if DC he thinks he's going to run out there

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Speaker 5: and not ruffle any I'll.

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Speaker 6: Just throw a link out here goes and there's no

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Speaker 6: concrete left and right. Joe last week, Joe Weebe is

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Speaker 6: Daily's manager. Joe Weebe manages James Tedesco the Rooster's fullback,

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Speaker 6: and Joe Weebe manages Rhes robson who will be.

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Speaker 1: We're going to we're going to talk about it. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about this a bit later. But you're

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Speaker 1: both just leading me down the garden path to the Roosters,

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Speaker 1: so let's talk. Come through the door then. I don't

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Speaker 1: enough want to go through your door. But anyway, the

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Speaker 1: Roosters there there, their name keeps popping up, and we

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Speaker 1: know what Nick polaitis is like. We know he's missed

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Speaker 1: a few lately and their recruitment hasn't been ideal. We

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Speaker 1: know they're short on halves, especially at present. We know

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Speaker 1: Really end up at the Roosters?

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Speaker 6: I think, if you're putting me on the spot, Brak,

436
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Speaker 6: I reckon the Roosters are favorites. I think if I didn't,

437
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Speaker 6: just because I would have said about Joe Weebe about

438
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Speaker 6: the Roosters, they need a half back.

439
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Speaker 1: Robbo loves Dce. Nick's very close. Have you heard anything

440
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Speaker 1: or is it just your opinion. It's summation. So I'm

441
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Speaker 1: not saying he would definitely be.

442
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Speaker 7: There, but I I think he's your opinion well, adding

443
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Speaker 7: up to and two, doctor, I reckon the Dogs.

444
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Speaker 4: Gus loves him what he makes. He makes them into

445
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Speaker 4: a premiership the Dogs.

446
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Speaker 5: There is a lot of romance about him going back

447
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 5: because that's his family name.

448
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: It's it's anonymous. I don't think he wants to go

449
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Speaker 1: back to Redcliffe for his family. That's wrong here.

450
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Speaker 6: I think I think from the Northern Beaches and the

451
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 6: three girls go to Northern Beaches schools. So if he

452
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Speaker 6: does go to the Roosters, he can stay home and

453
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Speaker 6: the kids stayed with school.

454
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Speaker 1: A premiership and if he goes to in my opinion,

455
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Speaker 1: goes to the Roosters or the Dogs. He slides into

456
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Speaker 1: two teams that he takes too into premiership contention. He

457
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Speaker 1: goes to the Dolphins, not so much the Dolphins. He

458
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Speaker 1: may get a couple of hundred thousand, which one would

459
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Speaker 1: you go to it there's the Roosters and the Dogs.

460
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Speaker 1: If I'm him right now, the Dogs. I look at

461
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Speaker 1: the Dogs team and I've been saying it for a

462
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Speaker 1: while they are half back. And this is no disrespect

463
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Speaker 1: to Sexon because he's doing a magnificent job. But they're

464
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Speaker 1: a top eight easy team on the edge of the

465
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Speaker 1: four right now. DC instantly takes them to a top

466
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Speaker 1: four team and takes them into premiership contention, but the

467
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Speaker 1: rooster is complete side the Roosters would be a magnificent

468
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Speaker 1: buy two, I believe, and he would take them into

469
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Speaker 1: premiership contention as well. But I think maybe just the

470
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Speaker 1: Dogs have the edge with the side they've got, the

471
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Speaker 1: way they're playing, the confidence they've built the players. He

472
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Speaker 1: will make Burton a much better player because DC controls

473
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Speaker 1: the team. He is vocal, which Burton isn't. Burton takes

474
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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure off him. He can just run,

475
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Speaker 1: kick and do his job. And we all know Kright

476
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Speaker 1: and the rest of them, so you know, I'd lean

477
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Speaker 1: towards them, But I actually think he'd be great for

478
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Speaker 1: both teams.

479
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Speaker 4: Would he work with Sam Walker? Because Sam Walker's what

480
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Speaker 4: one hundred games into his career, twenty two years of age,

481
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Speaker 4: He's an out and out seven. Jerry Evans is an

482
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Speaker 4: out and out seven. Would it work together? You don't

483
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Speaker 4: think it would. I'm not saying it wouldn't because you've

484
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Speaker 4: seen it origin, you know, like you just go back

485
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Speaker 4: to and and Jonathan Thurston is a great exam I think.

486
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Speaker 1: Is semi such an instinctive player. Semi plays off the

487
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: cuff and he's got his little kick and he's passing.

488
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: You don't know whether he's going to play short or along.

489
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: He's very much played what you see in front of him.

490
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Speaker 1: And if there's anything he probably needs to work on

491
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Speaker 1: to get him to that premiership level is his organizational

492
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: skills and getting roosters to certain points on the field,

493
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Speaker 1: which is a DC specialist. I think they can bine great.

494
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Speaker 1: I think he would take pressure of Walker. But what

495
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Speaker 1: I would do crawls if I'm a hierarchy to the

496
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Speaker 1: roosters and this this opportunity comes up with DC, I'm

497
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Speaker 1: going to Walker and I'm going how do you feel

498
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Speaker 1: if we make a play at him?

499
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Speaker 4: And that's the thing that you wouldn't and you wouldn't

500
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Speaker 4: think it would upset Sam Walker, But given his age

501
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: and his potential, that's the last thing you don't need that.

502
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: And I do also wonder what.

503
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Speaker 4: It does for their their academy program that they've been

504
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: so outspoken about that they see this is the future

505
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 4: of the.

506
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Speaker 1: Club and all those two years two years it is

507
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: two years. It's a lot of them next year in

508
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: the year after. But like the Bulldogs and the Roosters

509
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: that the halves coming through are exceptional. I think it's

510
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: Rodwell and Woods at the Bulldogs. They're two to three

511
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: years away, so it's actually perfect more. I think for

512
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs it is a perfect.

513
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: To get to give a young half back one more

514
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: year is not going to hurt him, Like to give

515
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 5: him a bit more experience, to play a few more

516
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 5: games away from the spotlight is only going to help him.

517
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Speaker 6: I think you keep Sam Walker in touch with the negotiations,

518
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 6: but I don't think you necessarily go and ask him.

519
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: Whether you would approve of a player coming to the club.

520
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: I don't think he deserves that pressure.

521
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Speaker 6: You mean, well, you said before you would go to

522
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Speaker 6: Sam Walker and ask him. If Sam you feel he

523
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 6: says I don't want him here, well then you've got

524
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Speaker 6: to you've got a problem.

525
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Speaker 1: You wouldn't say that. He's not going to say that.

526
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Speaker 1: But I actually think we're not going to say. Well,

527
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Speaker 1: I think I find I want I want DC because

528
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: they're a better chance to win because then they believe

529
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Speaker 1: that they help with the decision. But you don't like

530
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: the players making those decisions. Let's not making the decision,

531
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: but you don't need to let him make the player

532
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: unfront with him.

533
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been up front, you know, treating him with

534
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 6: a bit of response, I said Cruls Initially, I said,

535
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 6: you keep him involved in the negotiations and keep him updated,

536
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 6: but you don't ask.

537
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: Him whether he gets some sort of approval to get

538
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: him there. That's a good summation, thank you. All right?

539
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: Despite mestrof and DC, after fifteen years at the club

540
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: and a premiership winner and most cap player, does he

541
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: leave on bad terms? He lives on bad terms I

542
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: think in terms of management, But as a footballer and

543
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: his teammates and the Manly fans, I think, hold on.

544
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 5: Why if he doesn't know what's going on and Manly

545
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 5: were blindsided, doesn't that come down to his manager, not

546
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 5: the actual management from Manly.

547
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Are you saying it's Joe Webey's fault.

548
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 5: No, But what I'm saying is, can't DC, if you've

549
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: been there that long, if you've got that much experience,

550
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: can't you pick up the phone?

551
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: Why has it gone.

552
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: So so that's that's what we've been talking about to

553
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: be between him and the management of the club for

554
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: this to work out. I don't think you can possibly

555
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 4: take away what Jerry Evans has done for that club.

556
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: I don't think the fans will.

557
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: Could it be the coach? Have you guys heard anything? Oh,

558
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: there's speculation swirling around last twenty. Speculation is he's fallen

559
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: out with either Sea Bold or Mestroff. We asked Mestrof

560
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: straight to his face today he said that is bullshit.

561
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: He has not fallen out with Sea Bolt and he

562
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: has not fallen out with Tony Mestrov. So manly's vehemently.

563
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: The speculation is did you ask DC? No?

564
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Speaker 4: Someone someone is not telling the whole story because the

565
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: fact of the matter is the bloke that's played the

566
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: most games for that club, the current captain, is leaving

567
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: and he made his decision, as Brave said on National TV,

568
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: and didn't do it ader to press a sitting beside

569
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: Mestrov and the coach.

570
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: There's got to be a drama, well said, all right now, DC,

571
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: when he moves on, I'm hearing the going to shuffle

572
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: the deck. So Brooks is going to move the half

573
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: back and turbout of five eighth. Is that the mail?

574
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: Is that what they're saying. There's talk around the Northern

575
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Beaches that Turbo could shift into six.

576
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 6: I personally would think it would be insanity. I don't

577
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 6: think that's Tom's position. Tom's a fullback. Gordon, you're laughing

578
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 6: at me because you would disagree.

579
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 5: I no, no, I think Tom, with his injuries, I

580
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 5: think he's a center right. But I've never seen Tom

581
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 5: kick the ball. I'm not saying Tom is one of

582
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 5: the greatest players. When he's on the field. He's one

583
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: of the greatest players that our game's ever seen. But

584
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 5: I don't think Tomas.

585
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: But Luckier did it do it? And so Greg realized

586
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: that played five eight in the Grand Final?

587
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: Correct the other the other The other part to the

588
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 4: problem though, is is Luke Brooks the man that again

589
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: is going to keep that Manly Premiership window.

590
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: Open because I lost their number seven. Brooks.

591
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: He has done a good job since he's gone across

592
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: from the Tigers playing that deputy role outside Cherry Evans.

593
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: Is he is he capable of continuing on where Cherry

594
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 4: Evans was.

595
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. That's the question. Mark and that's

596
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: the jury is out because even last year when when

597
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: Tom or DC were in Brooks, he didn't play as

598
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: well as he did when they were in the side.

599
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: So it's a big responsibility for him.

600
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Speaker 6: And he said, manly, he's got a million bucks now

601
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 6: too with his money, spend it on well.

602
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Rugby League's strange.

603
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 6: People pop up all the time and you don't think

604
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 6: there's anyone.

605
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: On before next year. Lachlan Galvin, he's off next year.

606
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: A year after that, I'm saying, but he's going next

607
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: year is another one. The situation up there like this because.

608
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: Next year is not the domino that you know what

609
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: I mean that that starts a chain reaction around the game.

610
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: Like Reynolds's situation I wrote about this week on Fox

611
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: Sports is that he's off contract. He hasn't made a

612
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 4: decision if he wants to play on. But if he

613
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: does make a decision in say, let's say two months,

614
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: that he wants to play on and the Broncos don't

615
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: have room to keep him, where does he go? Because

616
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: they've got Ezra Man coming back there, still got Ben Hunt,

617
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: They've got about fourteen hookers up there, Like where does

618
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: Renee go?

619
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Speaker 1: If he wants to play, he might be happy there

620
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: cause and take less to stay, whereas that's what you

621
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: would do if he was happy.

622
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: Or there might be six or seven clubs again looking

623
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: for an experienced bloke to come in and do a job.

624
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: Made it for one season. Okay, quickly before we go,

625
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: where's he land? One word? Roosters bulldogs? Okay, you stick

626
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: around your nas and don't miss an unforgettable edition and

627
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: face to face tonight with Doctor George.

628
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 6: Proponents freshured neck thresh and nose gouging, slipped the discrofding

629
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Speaker 6: and breaking people's jaws.

630
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: That's what you had to do. It feels like you're

631
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: in a state of survival. It was at times. So

632
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of dirty In those days. You would

633
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: just charge each other.

634
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: It's a lost art now.

635
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean the newspapers used to give you the scrum count.

636
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: You don't strike me as the dirty deeds kind of hooker.

637
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: I was getting gouged both through the punch of John

638
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: Dallas Donney and he went down.

639
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Because it was that or get their eyes gouched down.

640
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: The last man out Calbary range down Captain George. For

641
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Speaker 1: opponents