WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 13 June 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.480 Late Welcome to the Late Up Brads. Good evening and 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.360 welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with Liz Storer 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:14.680 and Joe hildebrand Well. One council wants to charge double 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.160 rates for investors with rental properties. Will tell you where 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.439 a little bit later. One AFL grade says that we 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.040 should not refer to concussions but instead brain injuries. We'll 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.720 get to that in the papers, and also the story 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.680 of the copper who tried to get his colleague son 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.519 out of court and instead landed himself in court. But 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.920 first we told you the story last year of a 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.200 playground in Collingwood in Melbourne that was given a two 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.440 million dollar upgrade. Now this is what the playground looked 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.120 like before the upgrade. You can see here plenty of 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.720 play equipment, they got the slippery dip. It all looks 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.519 quite fine. I'm not sure why you need a two 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.400 million dollar upgrade to that thing, but this is what 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.680 they got for their two million dollars. I don't think 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.480 you would argue that that was an improvement. And it 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.600 would seem that the council that covers Collingwood, which is 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.800 Yarreck Council, which we have told you about many times. Ah, yeah, 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.440 it a Greens dominated council. Well they've woken up and 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.200 realized that for the two million dollars they spend, they 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.880 didn't really get anything better. So what they're going to 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.640 do now is spend two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.160 more to actually put some play equipment back in the place. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.640 Can you believe it. They're going to get a slide. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.119 They had a slide before, but they're going to get 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.319 a slide. They're going to get a four way rocker, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.040 They're going to get a mini trampoline, amongst other things. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.280 You know, isn't it great when councils sit down and 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.759 work out we can really improve this place. Then they 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.479 don't improve the place, and then they have to spend 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.320 more money to improve it even further. This is what 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.600 some local residents thought of it at the time. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.280 It looked very prison like. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:52.480 I thought they'd be a little bit more for the 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:52.800 little ones. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:57.400 They've delivered possibly the worst playground in Victoria. Except for 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.480 this bloke who seem to think is good. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.880 I think it's an improvement. We did ask for some 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.160 a bigger space. We have got a bigger space. I 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:14.680 know that's not a play equipment. But parks aren't just 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.000 for little children. Did you just miss gender. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:25.040 Orry into that last I don't know exactly. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.280 I don't know she's a woman exactly, because she's exactly Honestly, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.280 you are very quite quite right. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.639 You don't even know her pronounce. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.920 I'm glad, I'm glad we've got Joseph in me. But anyway, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.080 so two million dollars to upgrade the thing, two hundred 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.040 and fifty one thousand dollars to actually upgrade the thing 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.600 again and put back the play equipment that they took away. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.240 One thing they're not going to take away, though, is 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.000 this artwork. Now take a look at this and tell 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.040 me whether you can make sense of what it is. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.880 Apparently they're flying jumpers. You know what that cost? Two 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.320 hundred thousand dollars. So here we are at two million, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.680 two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for a playground that 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.200 didn't need to be upgraded in the first place, then 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.560 got destroyed. Now they're going to put the play equipment 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.920 back in it. It has a two hundred thousand dollars 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:21.680 money that no wond els, no wonder councils are so 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.160 trusted and revered and lovely, so no wonder. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.640 Our raids are going through the roof. They're just bleeding 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.919 it out. It was also the Yarra Council. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.240 You may remember what we dubbed the Demonic Banana. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.040 That was also the Yarra Council. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.680 That thing was twenty thousand dollars and most residents were 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.280 happy when someone took a chainsaw to it and tried 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.120 to get rid of the thing because it was just 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:45.760 so done ugly. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.560 They'd call it fallen Fruit. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.840 That was its official name, and it was supposed to be, 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.600 you know, a massive contribution to the part. But people 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.080 are sick of these ugly things, right. I love the 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.400 woman who called it prison like because. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.280 That's exactly what it is. 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.600 We're not getting value for money. How hard is it 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.200 to just stop spending our money on ugly things? 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:08.880 Where's the artwork. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.200 That lifts the human spirit? A thing of beauty is 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.440 a joy forever. It's not that hard. If something is 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:21.320 objectively beautiful and adds to the space and people. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:29.760 Look or sky whale, yes, look, you're right, it does. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.560 You know, it does look like a prison yard. But 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.200 you know, playgrounds aren't just about having fun. They're also 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.320 about learning, and if the playground doesn't look like a 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.320 prison yard, how are the kids going to learn how 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:41.039 to make shives? 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.920 But seriously, two million dollars on something like that, And 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.200 this is what annoys me about it the most. You know, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:48.919 we're having a lot of. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.159 That kids with shoes. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.440 She was promised a good day out and she got 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:55.560 a you know, absolutely no. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.440 Maybe it is an educational facility. They take their kids 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.040 to the park and say, look, if you don't I 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.640 don't want to end up in a place like this, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.520 make sure you don't commit crime education. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.680 Say hi, kids, this is a park designed by Joseph Stalin. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.640 That's right, But how does something like that cost two 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.200 million dollars? Because we're having a laugh at how ridiculousy 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.080 on the past, Like, seriously, I think that costs two 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.719 million dollars to destroy the playground. Then they go on 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.600 later and go, oh, hang on, we probably shouldn't have 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.560 taken all that play equipment out, so we've got to 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.000 spend another two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to bring 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.000 it back up to scratch, Like it's all good and well, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.840 it's not their money, it's your money. It's rate payers money, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.159 and so they spend two million. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.760 Ah, no problem, We're two million on the park as 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.600 a whole, but only forty thousand dollars on the actual playground, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.719 which makes me think that maybe that nice little old 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.360 man slash lady isn't the only one who hates children 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.280 in the City of yar account still, but by my calculations, 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.600 if that playground is forty thousand dollars and the jumper 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.040 installation art two one hundred thousand dollars, that means these 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.440 people value jumpers five times as much as they value children, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:01.520 not even not. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.720 Even real joupers that they could give to homeless people. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.160 I mean, ky for some real jumpers in Melbourne would 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.119 probably go quite fast. But I just want to know again, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.360 I've said this many times. I want to get hold 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.719 of these government contracts, like I'm going to moonlight with 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.520 some sort of company that can do everything, and I'm 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.800 going to get a government contract for two million dollars 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.440 to upgrade parks like that and install public artworks like 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.400 that for like two hundred kio million. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.520 And it looks like they ripped out all the trees 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.120 because the four photo. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.599 The new one, there's not a bit of shade in space. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:44.880 I mean, look at that, that looks beautiful. Where where's 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.800 the trees in this photo? There's some sickly looking branch 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.640 in there shot, but there's no green leafage, whereas even 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.440 the grass, the grass is gone. You've made two million 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:56.080 dollars to. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.000 Get rid of the grass, So you're saying this is 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:02.080 bad for the environment. The Greens women garat Council hate 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.760 the environment. They hate children, they hate play equipment, and 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:06.839 they hate the environment. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.120 I would seriously be saying, all right, no, these aren't 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.520 native trees, they're from their imperialist trees. We'll get rid 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.560 of them and put to navy. They do it. They 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.920 actually do this, at least in Sydney. We do the 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.840 decent thing. Just spike the trees. And when we're giving 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.680 away government contract, we don't waste money on you know, 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.840 people coming in and ripping up playgrounds and then reinstalling 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.120 them and then ripping the reinstaller. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:33.600 We just get our cousins to do it. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:35.920 Well. 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.520 Moving on now, Yesterday the Circuit and Family Court heard 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.320 from a doctor who's arguing that despite the fact this 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.840 gender dysphoric child, which has landed this case in the 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:53.880 court thought that by being on testosterone she would grow 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:54.880 a penis. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.400 He argues, no, No, she's still. 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:02.640 Able to show mature thinking in the area of gender. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.000 How do you figure that when the prosecutor then argued, well, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:07.640 hang on a. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:12.160 Minute, doctor, don't you think that once she discovers that 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:13.520 these drugs. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.000 That you're giving her will not will never have the 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.840 desired effect. Don't you think that that will further make 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.360 her mental condition rather unstable? 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.040 The answer from. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.920 The doctor goes testosterone will cause masculinization, which is what 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.559 the child would want, which would see an improvement of 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.800 mental health and a decrease in distress about being misgendered 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.920 or outed. The article goes on to say the court 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.520 heard the child told a separate clinician she believed testosterone 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:51.400 would grow her clitoress into a penis, but she would 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.040 not be able to penetrate with it. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:59.200 I've said it before, I'll say it again. These doctors belong. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.240 Behind I would say hell, but I don't get to 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.800 decide that, so I'll settle for behind bars. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.680 The butchery that is happening. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:12.360 The question is why is Australia dragging its feet as 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:18.319 we see jurisdiction after jurisdiction overseas sound the alarm on this. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:24.120 Most recently in March, the UK declared, effective immediately, there 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.880 would be no more gender transitioning for children, no more 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.760 puberty blockers, no more testosterone handed out to kids. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:34.319 I know. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.040 The Danes have done the same, the several other jurisdictions, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.720 plenty of other governments have inquiries underway. You remember when 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.800 Senator Pauline Hanson tried to get up and inquiry into 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.760 what is going on here, because we've now heard from 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.240 several whistleblow adoptors here in Australia who have then been 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.199 stood down or otherwise penalized in their practice saying this 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:07.320 whole gender affirming care is nonsense. We have depressed the 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.240 brakes on this and they're just being completely ignored and 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.079 even punished for saying. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:13.360 So. 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.560 Good on you doctors, very brave for speaking out despite 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:17.120 the gost. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.880 You know you're going to be forced to pay for it. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.840 They care about the kids more, and yet here in 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.440 Australia we're just not seeing the same precaution being taken, 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.480 even if it's like let's temporarily pump the brakes. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.200 Look into this a bit further. What was the Cast Review. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.040 What was in the Cast Review. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.240 That literally made the UK government turn around and say 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.200 NHS wide, no more of this, We're done. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.600 And there was an attempt by Frank Pangelo Upper House 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.959 INMP in South Australia to have a similar inquiry parliamentary 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.360 inquiry in South Australia and melanowskis and the Labor Government 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.640 knock that on the head down there as well. And 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.160 you look at this case, this chart well clearly does 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:07.040 not have a full understanding of what gender transition actually entails. Indeed, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.559 and you have a case here of two parents who 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.760 are on differing sides of this debate. So one parent 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.360 says that they support their child in going through with 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.960 treatment and the other parent has said, no, you will 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:21.600 grow out of it. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.680 And that's seventy percent of kids do. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.040 And this is how it's landed in court because they're 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.880 having a dispute over what course the child should be 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.720 allowed to take and for a doctor and all of 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.760 this the details are suppressed, so you know, we're quite 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.200 free to talk about this as a court case. For 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.440 a doctor to get up and say, oh, look, you know, 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.760 I know that she doesn't really understand what the drugs 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.320 would do, but I think it would be good for 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:52.320 her anyway on the road to becoming a man or 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.120 trying to become a man. Anyway, if a child, and 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.440 we know children have a bad understanding of many things 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.400 most times, do we persist with this idea that it 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.680 is okay and that they are able to grasp a 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:11.640 concept as complex and dangerous potentially and burniness and say 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.360 that that's fine. Like if how does a doctor actually 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.160 stand there in a courtroom and say, I think it's 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.240 a good idea for a kid who doesn't really understand 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:21.560 this medication to be taken. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.960 Yeah, I've got to say I find this very very disturbing. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.720 It raises more questions than it answers. I think, for 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.720 one thing, we don't know the age of the child, 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.679 so you know, to me, not to have an understanding 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.040 of what testosterone. 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.960 Would do, and to think that it would just make. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.839 You sort of spontaneously grow literally grow a pair, grow 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.760 a pair, I would think you would have to be 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:51.400 either very very young or have some serious mental issues, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.160 which perhaps you know. Again, raises another avenue of inquiry 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.720 for this, the fact that the parents are disagreeing over this. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.000 It's a pretty big thing. To disagree on. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.000 Isn't it whether your child is a boy or a girl. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.400 That makes me think it's quite difficult to imagine the 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.839 parents together still, And so therefore, is this a case 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.600 where the kid is being pulled in two different directions 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.599 by parents who are fighting with each other, and the 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.280 kid is kind of being it's really diserving. And I 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.320 think certainly if you look at the sort of hypocritic 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.000 Earth principle, which is, you know, first do no harm, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.200 this seems to be you know, you would think. And 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.640 again I think there are cases where clearly people are 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.200 born in a genda. I know people who are clearly 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.760 born in agenda. They don't hear, but it is extremely rare, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.600 and this kind of stuff does not seem to me 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.280 to be taking the ultra cautious approach and making sure 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.960 that you are first doing no harm, that you are 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.600 absolutely one hundred percent sure that this is, you know, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.720 a boy trapped in a girl's body or a girl 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.920 trapped in a boy's body. So this, yeah, And to 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.000 be honest, this this kind of attitude that the doctor 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.800 it seems to have expressed, is the sort of thing 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.840 my wife works. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:04.360 Forquirded in Australia. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:09.240 So she's publicly you know, supportive of trans riots, so 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.319 just to declare that as a conflict of interest. But 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.760 this sort of thing, I would think does far more 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.880 harm to cause than good. And so people think they're 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.480 out there, Oh yeah, we're just going to you know, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.600 we'll show the world how prevalent it is, and you know, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.320 give all people, you know, the benefit of the doubt 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.560 on their gender and whatever they say will just accept 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.640 and be gender affirming care is what they call it 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.760 when it comes to things like this. I think that 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:37.760 is actually making people think, hang on, these guys are 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.480 just cowboys, making it up as they go along. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.160 And this is the distinction, right. I mean, you're an adult, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.080 do what you want. It's really none of my business. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.280 But when you are talking about children who of course 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.960 don't have full mental capacity yet who under law are 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.480 not allowed to do most things. They can't drink, they 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.120 can't go off to war, etc. And somehow we think 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.800 that they are capable to make decisions, doable decisions about 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.400 their bodies in terms of trying to gender transition. Have 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.160 listened to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis talking about this following 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.359 a recent court case in his state in the United States. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.320 Because it's wrong to mutilate minors. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:18.560 It is wrong. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.240 It is wrong to perform a sex change on a 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.680 sixteen year old. You're not allowed to get a tattoo, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.280 but somehow you can have your privates cut off. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.120 Give me a break. This is wrong. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.560 And we've just been so slow, as you were suggesting 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.000 earlier and Liz to get on the uptake on this 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.400 because the rest of the world is starting to wake up. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.720 To you can't have surgery in Australia. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.920 You can't have surgery, but you can have other treatment 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.880 via medica that you know the. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.320 Development not And there's been a lot of people inquiring 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.160 are you actually telling the kids that this can have 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.960 permanent results, because the myth about puberty blockers is oh, 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.240 we're just going to press pause on puberty. That's not 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.320 how your body works. And a lot of the times 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.920 what this drug does is permanent. So you're not asking 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.680 a child are you prepared to be sterile for the 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.320 rest of your life, because that is one of the 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.880 side effects that can come from this and many studies 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.320 show that. And when you have something as comprehensive as 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:35.800 the cast review in the UK that says, quote, not 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.040 enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:46.600 these hormones end quote. Why isn't Australia state or federally 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.440 going well, hang on a minute, maybe we should do 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.800 a double take as well. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.880 It is pure negligence. It is pure negligence. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.880 And at a time when we know that the cases 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:04.800 of gender desire euphoria have risen hundreds of fold in 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.040 Australia because of the social contagion, this is being sold 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.640 to kids on social media and other avenues. It's seen 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.440 as something that should be celebrated. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:15.960 It sets you apart. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.480 It's an identity that you can easily adopt, etc. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:20.480 And so on. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.720 This is the time when we have to be so 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.560 vigilant about something like this, and nobody except. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.040 For the brave doctors who have had the gonads to 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.320 speak up about it seems to care. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.560 And it's a duty of care to the kids, right. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.480 And then you go beyond that and look at adults 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.440 who are transgender. And when we get to things like sport, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.080 we often talk about fairness and of course you know 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.000 you have biological women and potentially competing against biological men 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.080 who now say they are a woman. Going hang on 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.000 a minute, this is not fair over here. And FEENA, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.480 which is the World Swimming body, woke up to this 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.000 back in twenty twenty two and they made a decision 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.480 that biological men who transition to women will not be 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.280 able to compete at a professional level, and rightly so. 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.440 But because one of the most famous transgender swimmers in 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.440 the world is Lea Thomas from the United States. Now, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.600 Lea Thomas is a man ranked in the mid five 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.800 hundreds in the US. Best result ever was sixty fifth 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.480 in a race, then transitions to a woman and wins 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.800 a college title. So you're quite entitled to ask the question, well, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.399 maybe do you have an advantage here? Well, following the 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.639 decision that was made by Leah, Thomas went off to 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.680 the Court of Arbitration for Sport to try and get 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.600 the ability to compete in the Olympics. Well, I'm glad 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.440 to report that the Court of Arbitration for Sport has 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.720 come back and said, no, the FENA rules stand. You 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.840 are not allowed to compete because it is entirely legitimate 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.680 to say that a transgender athlete has an advantage over 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:58.159 a biological woman. Former swimming champ from Britain, Sharon Davies 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.400 lauded the decision today said good no elite female athlete 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.400 will have to lose out to this mediocre six foot 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.919 four male swimmer. Transgender swimm lead Thomas out of Olympics, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.200 out to losing legal battle, et cetera, et cetera. Kate Campbell, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.720 of course, is an Australian swimmer, spoke about this decision 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.040 from Feena back in twenty twenty two, and I think 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.480 her comments then stand just as much now. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.000 It is my hope that young girls all around the 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.520 world can continue to dream of becoming Olympic and World 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:34.840 champions in a female category, prioritizing the competitive cornerstone of fairness. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.400 And thank goodness the court has upheld this because it's 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.639 the first test of a rule like this, and I 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.240 think it now sets the president that should be followed 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.879 by every sporting league around the world, which is that, 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:51.360 at the very least, at the professional level, transgender athlete, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.879 transgender women, biological men should not be competing against biological women. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:00.320 Yeah, you would think so. I've really sort of I 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.080 need to get my head around this one, because you've 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.680 sort of there needs to be Oh no, no, obviously 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.400 it's crazy for someone with you know, someone who's gone 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.159 through male puberty, who clearly was a competitive swimmer as 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.920 a man, wasn't doing very well and then miraculously reappears, 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:13.920 which you can. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.560 See if I believe we've got some footage of Lega 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:18.760 Thomas here. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:19.680 I mean you can. 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:20.720 The The. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:28.760 Problem becomes very clear just upon sizing up someone's physicality ye. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:30.480 Again, think. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.240 Him and celebrating his win next to women who looked 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:37.920 like midgets next to him. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.000 I'll never forget that graphic. Yeah, I remember it very plainly. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:41.879 I remember it very well. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:46.159 But again, you know, obviously there's a huge discrepancy within 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.480 men and within women. Like you know, you can have 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.919 a seven foot basketball player who is going to be 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.360 much better than a five foot bus and yet. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.880 We can't name one trans man who's trying to compete 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.000 with men because they know it's all it's. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:02.960 Always the men who want to play with the women. 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:03.760 It's always the men. 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:06.840 Maybe they should just write the men. 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.040 Maybe they should just be male female other. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:10.600 I agree. 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.120 They said let's have an open category so they can still. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:19.000 Let's make it happen. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:20.600 They can compete with each other. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.800