1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installment, the new Project, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Harper. I hope you bloody terrific, all you 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: guys and girls getting into our Typick typ kickstart program. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Seven days of getting some momentum and getting focused and 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: creating a few results. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: I hope you're doing that and having some fun with it. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: Today I've got I don't know if I'm allowed to 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: say a fellow Bogan. I don't know how as she 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: identifies as a Bogan, but I'm definitely a Bogain she 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: did grow up. Have you ever seen yourself as a 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Bogan at all? 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: Leela? Yeah? 13 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, even when I was doing some training, like with 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: accent training, when I was doing some acting training. I've 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: even labeled my accent vintage Australian Nice. 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. How hard was it? 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: Like? 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: What was because? To me? Because acting is essentially high 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: level pretending, right, yeah? 20 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the opposite of authenticity. Although once you get 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: really really good at acting, it doesn't seem like you're 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: acting not it just seems like that's just you on 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: a screen. What was what was the revelation the learning 24 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: in becoming an acting student? 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: It's a being in acting schools like a massive self 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: discovery journey. Really like it's so like, I'm fascinated by psychology. 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: So the psychology behind you trying to access emotions and 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: feelings and you say, like you're acting is high level pretending, 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: but it's not. It's the total opposite. You have to 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: be so real, right and authentic. And that's what makes 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: the really good actors good because they're able to just 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: become and really feel and be those characters, whereas ones 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 3: where you watch it and you go, that's shit acting. 34 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: They're pretending, yes, And you've got to got revert back 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: to a kid and being a kid. Like you know, 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: when a kid's running around and there they're the fairy 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: tale princess and you know they're running it. They fully 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: believe they're a princess when they're playing, and you've got 39 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: to be able to do that. So it was this 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: this tapping into just letting go of any self conscious 41 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: or any abilities of what has created you and made 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: you the way you are and just being a kid again. 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: It was a really good experience. 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: I make a really valid point, so I stand corrected. 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: Fucking five minutes into the show. You corrected me. No, 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: you do make a good point, because when I'm watching 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: someone who's awesome, I lose I mean on a level, 48 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: on a subconscious or an unconscious level. 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: Of course, you know you're watching a film even on 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: unconscious level. 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: But when they're really good, you get lost in it, right, 52 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: and so all your emotions and your psychology and your 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: physiology is all wrapped up. That's why when you're watching 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: something that's a film that's not real, I mean, it's 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: not that bloke's not really getting shot. Yeah, my nervous 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: system doesn't know that because it's so well done that, 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, my body is now starting to believe what 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: my eyes are seeing, and I lose context. That is, 59 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: this is a work of fiction, and now I'm I 60 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: guess that's the Yeah, maybe that's the high water mark 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: of creating something good. 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So you want people to have an emotional 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: response to what you're doing and feel invested and empathized 64 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: with what that character is going through. And if you 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: can make an audience cry or laugh or something, then 66 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: you've the audience believes you. 67 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: Do you think that because you are. 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest, I'd heard of your name, 69 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't know anything really, and so yes saying 70 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: today I've done a little bit of a deep dive. 71 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: So I've done a I don't have a PhD in Leila, 72 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: or I have a Cert three right, I'm. 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: A SERT three. 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Oh how funny, Yeah, I have a Cert three in 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: Leila McDougall. But do you think because you are like 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: all the stuff that I've watched, there's no set of 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: persona like with you know, some people, there's welcome back, 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: it's five past yeh, well coming up next, we've got 79 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: there's this whole fucking voice and energy. I forgot to 80 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: tell you, Leila, we're very swear at the project. 81 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: That's okay, this whole kind of. 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Vibe that's like, you're not really like that, So don't 83 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: don't like, why are you doing the news with that 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: weird voice? Just use your voice, you know, and everything 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: that I've seen you on it, like I get the 86 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: sense that if you're talking to a camera like you 87 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: are right now or you know or you're not, I 88 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: get the sense it's exactly the same. 89 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very I guess it was just being brought 90 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: up in a country town and you are who you are, 91 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: like you can't. I was never brought up with in 92 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: a fake environment, if that makes sense. Like, I think 93 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm a reflection of the environment that I was raised in. Like, 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: and I did go away to a fancy boarding school 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: in year nine, and I was exposed to that fake world. 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: So I kind of lived in two worlds, you know, 97 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: from that age. I was exposed to this high end, 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 3: you know, parents earning a lot of money, kids having everything, 99 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: Like I was the only person in my whole year 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: level that couldn't afford a computer for school, Like I 101 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: didn't have one, or I was the only person that 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: didn't get braces. But then when I'd go, like I 103 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: was at home in my hometown, I kind of didn't 104 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: fit in again because they all thought I was a 105 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: bit too fancy because I was going away to a 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: fancy school. So I was kind of like, Okay, I 107 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: don't want to be fake like these people, and I 108 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: don't want to be one of those, so I've just 109 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: got to be me. And I guess my dad's just 110 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: a bit of Alarican and you know, having all of 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: his antics growing up and things. I just, yeah, but 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: I think I was. It took me a long time 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: to really embrace who I was as well, because you 114 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: kind of think I'm not good enough, I don't fit 115 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: in blah blah blah. And it took me until I 116 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: was probably twenty eight to just be totally comfortable in 117 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: my own skin. 118 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 119 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think if you can be that authentic you, 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: which is not to say, by the way, everyone that 121 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: everyone who goes to boarding schools. 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: No, no, definitely no, no. 123 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: There are some lovely people at boarding school, very authentic 124 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: and gorgeous, and a few fakey shmaky's, but that's in 125 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: every group in society. 126 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: But I think if you can like this thing, this. 127 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: Imposter syndrome vibe right, nearly everyone I talked to has 128 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: it or has had it, and I like you. I 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: know that you didn't feel like you were the sharpest 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: tool in the shed, or maybe you got pigeonholed because 131 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: you had dyslex here and you had some learning issues 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: which wasn't really you didn't get clarity around until later, 133 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: which kind of change your life. 134 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: We'll talk about that. 135 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: But I grew up also feeling dumb or not smart 136 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: or not this hole, not good enough, not I. 137 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: I was a morbidly obese kid, so I was the fattest. 138 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: Kid in my school, right, so that you're right, Yeah, 139 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that brought Yeah, so my name at school was Jumbo, 140 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Like people didn't call me Craig, they call me Jumbo 141 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: because But anyway, but that that environment and that where 142 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: you grow up and you're like, oh, I'm not but 143 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: I think I was one of many. I think many 144 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: people feel not worthy, not good enough, not pretty enough, 145 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: handsome enough, lean enough, smart enough, talented enough. 146 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: I think that's just consistent with the human condition. 147 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and learning. I think a lot of people 148 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: say that to me, like how how do you take 149 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: the knockbacks all the time, because you know, I might 150 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: have had one success, but there's been probably one hundred 151 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: failures to get to that point, and constantly being knocked 152 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: down as a kid in getting back up, it's built 153 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 3: that resilience, I think, to not be afraid to fail 154 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: because I know, like if I fail at something, it's 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: not really that big a deal, Like you just get 156 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: back up and try the next thing. So you know, 157 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: like I remember being at school and everyone in beginning 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: like no, and you know, on their exams and I'd 159 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: be like forty two. I'm like getting closer to a 160 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: pass like, so I think just that learning to fail, 161 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: not winning everything. Like you know, if you're a kid 162 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: that grows up winning everything and you get to being 163 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: an adult and you lose for the first time, it's hard. 164 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: It's so true. Yeah. 165 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, We've got to know how to lose and fail 166 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: in life because it's you know, we don't win all 167 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: the time. 168 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: I think sometimes mediocrity is a superpower because I think 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: when you grow up as the kid who isn't the 170 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: best or the fastest, or the smartest or the whateverest, right, 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: when you're that kid, and I was definitely that kid, 172 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: and you were probably a version of that kid, you 173 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: have to be adaptable. You have to fucking figure out 174 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Like in your case, I can't read and I can't 175 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: do maths, but I don't want everyone to know. And 176 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't that you were dumb, it was that you 177 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: had an undiagnosed issue, condition, whatever. But you're trying to 178 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: navigate the world without something that most people have. 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: So you have to become adaptable, right yeah. 180 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like even now, I'm just starting to figure out 181 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: that everyone's brain doesn't work at the pace mind does, 182 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: and I expect people to keep up with my brain 183 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, hang on, maybe maybe not everyone's 184 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: brain goes at my speed. Shit like, and I'm still 185 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: learning it now. I'm thinking wow and tapping into all 186 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: these different things that I was like, Oh, I thought 187 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: this was a bad thing growing up. They told me 188 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: I was to you know, all over the place. But 189 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: really it's just learning how to use it to your advantage. 190 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: I saw in your by the way, Lela's got a 191 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: really good Australian story did a piece on you and 192 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: it's fucking amazing. It's so good, So congrats on that. 193 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: But in that you said, essentially you said I'm a lot. 194 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: I think you said I'm quite full on, I'm quite alon. 195 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: How do people go with that? Some people would really resonate, 196 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: and some people would be a bit overwhelmed. 197 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, and they are. And you know, my husband's 198 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 3: probably the most laid back person in the world, and 199 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: he just is amazing and just is like, yeah, right, oh, 200 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: she's on this tangent, this idea this week and not 201 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: this week. And then some people just find me a 202 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: lot because I just I'm not someone who talks about 203 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: I know, little things like I love chatting about ideas 204 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: and what we're going to do next and how we 205 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: can work as a team. And then if someone wants 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: to come on the team, I get really excited because 207 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, yay, how are we going to And I 208 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: start bringing them in and some people love it and 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: they jump on board and they come with me, and 210 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: then other people are like, whoa wa, this is too much, 211 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: like I can't do this. So I guess, yeah, like 212 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: if you've got the pace to keep up and jump on, 213 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: Like I've got Kelly Wendell who's on my team at 214 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: the moment, and she's just as crazy as I am. 215 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: So it's just finding other crazies. And we shouldn't talk 216 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: to ourselves because as soon as I meet someone, I 217 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: start to go to defend myself and say, oh, you know, 218 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: I am a lot, I am full on, I am crazy, 219 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: like kind of pre warning them about what I am. 220 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: And I'm like, why do I do that? 221 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Why do you? 222 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: But I think also, and I'm not just trying to 223 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: make you feel good or pissing in your metaphor or 224 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: pissing in your metaphoric pocket, but I mean, like, I've 225 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: known you for five minutes and I watched a couple 226 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: of hours of stuff on you. But you know, to me, 227 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: you're gifted to me. And again I'm truly mean this right, 228 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: you're highly intelligent. Not only are you not dumb, right, 229 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: you're highly intelligent, highly creative, highly motivated. Yes you're not 230 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: good at everything, Yes you've fucked up, Yes you've failed 231 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: at shit. Yes you're human. Welcome to the world's biggest club. 232 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: We all fuck up and fail, but I think you know, 233 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: the challenge is to fuck up and fail and make 234 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: mistakes and look silly and be embarrassed and be humiliated, 235 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: and then out of all of that go that's okay, 236 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: that's okay, that's everyone, like, that's everyone, and you know, 237 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: and even the kids. 238 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: I need to be careful how I say this, but 239 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: you know, I've. 240 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: Caught up with people from school that I went to 241 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: it one hundred and thirty years ago who were super 242 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean super smartly la super academic, super gifted, super athletic, 243 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: and let's just say, for some. 244 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: Of them, it really didn't work out at all. 245 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: So having that running start may not be the gift 246 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: that we all think. 247 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, You've got to have a bit of grit, 248 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: a bit of mongrel, I call it like you've just 249 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: got to have that fire in the belly to just 250 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 3: and I don't know, and I don't know if you 251 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: can teach that to people, whether it's something you've just 252 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: got or you don't, but having that bit of mongrel 253 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: and fight sort of helps you just punch through the 254 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: next thing. And yeah, sure I have days where I'm like, 255 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to get out of bed. Life sucks, 256 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. We're all going to have those days. 257 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: But it's about how you wake up the next day 258 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: and get out. And that's how I just look at it. 259 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: And I'm just and even used to say to yourself, 260 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: like I've been to a couple of third world countries 261 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: on missionary trips with students when I was teaching, and 262 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: you just think, Wow, how lucky was I to be 263 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: born in Australia in the family. I was like, it's 264 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: like a you know, zero point three percent chance that 265 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: I could have been born here, like my spirit could 266 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: be in this environment, yet I am, So let's get kracking. 267 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: That's such a great stat I mean, you think I 268 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: always think about that, you know, looking with it again 269 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: sounds cheesy, but it's just true. Looking at the world 270 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: through a lens or trying to look at the world 271 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: through a lens of gratitude and self awareness and situational awareness. 272 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm the same as you. I grew up in a 273 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: great family and a great place. I have great friends, 274 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, I was a fat kid, but that's that 275 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: was my fault. 276 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: Nobody made me fat. 277 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: And even though people call me jumbo, there was no 278 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: real malice in it, right, that was like because I 279 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: was just Jumbo, Right, But then you think, like a 280 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: friend of mine got literally blown up by gas bottles 281 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: in a work in an industrial accident seven years ago, 282 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: and I see him a few times a week at 283 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: the gym. I train him and have helped him recover 284 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of stuff. But every day of 285 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: his life he has pain like he never has He 286 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: never has a pain like a zero pain day. And 287 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, they said he would be a quadriplegic. Then 288 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: they said he'd be a paraplegic. They said, you know, 289 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: have a significant massive brain injury. He'd never be able 290 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: to you know, and all of these things that he 291 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: was meant to not be able to do he can 292 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: now do. He walks with a stick, he drives himself 293 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: to the gym to meet me, and but life is 294 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's done some amazing shit, but life is hard, 295 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: and like compared to his life, every day of my 296 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: life is like a fucking Disney movie, right, And it's 297 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: like an episode of something, you know, I'm like, Wow, 298 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't get up in pain. I can press a 299 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: button and the air conditioning comes on. I can turn 300 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: on a tap and there's cold water. You know, two 301 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: billion out of eight billion people in the world don't 302 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: even have fresh water, but they can't. I can just go, oh, 303 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: here's a tap, here's a glass, clean water boom, like 304 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't. And I know again, you 305 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: know this seems cliche, but sometimes we don't value things 306 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: until we don't have them anymore. And sometimes the things 307 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: we really really want are just like, oh can I get. 308 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: Out of bed? 309 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 310 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: Am I pain free? Oh? Can I? Is this person 311 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: still in my life? 312 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: You know? Like that looking through that lens of awareness 313 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and gratitude, I think that is more life changing than 314 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: actually the situation. 315 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And I've been I've got in trouble for 316 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: saying this before, but it's it's so true. Like my 317 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: dad always said to us as kids, there's always someone 318 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: worse off than you. It's so true. But then I've 319 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: been I've got in trouble for saying that sometimes because 320 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, but you're diminishing other people's problems. But 321 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: I'm like, but if we all looked at it as 322 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: the way of I am lucky and genuine gratitude. Like 323 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: there's a lot of ingenuine gratitude around where people are like, oh, 324 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for this, and you know, they do their 325 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: reflection and their gratitude journal and all this sort of stuff. 326 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: But I'm like, are you genuinely glateful? You know, you 327 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: can say you are and you're living a life of gratitude, 328 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: but are you really And there's that's that difference between 329 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: it genuine gratitude and not genuine Yeah. 330 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 331 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: It's like when people say I'm really spiritual, I'm like, 332 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: if you were, you wouldn't say that exactly. 333 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: I love that one. They're like, I live a spiritual 334 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: life area if you were, I could just look at 335 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: you and and yeah, yeah, I don't have to tell me. 336 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: It's like I did a humility workshop on the weekend. 337 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: I was the best. Yeah, but I think, you know, 338 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: to your point of when you say that you diminish 339 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: people's pain or whatever or problems. 340 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm with you in that. 341 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: I think we can acknowledge people's problems of course, and go, yes, 342 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: you do have it hard, or you have had it hard, 343 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: or we're acknowledging that you have real issues and challenges 344 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: and problems. We're acknowledging that. And here's some empathy and 345 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: here's some care, and I mean that genuinely, but also 346 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: at the same time, what do you have to be 347 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: grateful for? 348 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: Is there anything you know? Is there you know? 349 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: Can you get out of bed? Can you walk? Can 350 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: you walk to a fridge and there's food in there? 351 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: Do you have that option? You know? And look, I 352 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: mean at the same time, we've got to interweave the 353 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: practical realities of living life on planet Earth. And it 354 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: can be tough mentally, emotionally, physiologically, you know, socially, all 355 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: of those things. But that it's like I put up 356 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: a post this morning on my social media this is 357 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: a bad thing to do in the middle of a podcast. 358 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to find it and I'm. 359 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: Going to read it to you. 360 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: So if anybody doesn't follow me on Insta it is 361 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Happer. So I put up this post which 362 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: you can't see, but it says the problem with the 363 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: when you do this you make me feel that mindset 364 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: is that you make me feel. Part of the statement 365 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: is telling the world and yourself that someone else is 366 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: in control of your feelings. 367 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 3: You know. 368 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: It's like, when you do this, you make me feel, 369 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, maybe that's again. I'm not saying that 370 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: you know that people aren't insensitive or nasty. 371 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: Of course they are. Of course people are mean and nasty. 372 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: We get that. 373 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: But then at some stage we need to have some 374 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: kind of for one of a better term sovereignty or 375 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: responsibility for our own feelings and responses. Right, Ultimately, you 376 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: need to manage you. You need to manage your mind, 377 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: your emotions, your body. And of course Craig Harper might 378 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: say something that's insensitive because he's a fuck right he might. 379 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: He might, Right, there's a good chance today. 380 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: Right. But even in the middle of that, there's still 381 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: what you do with that, right, Yeah? 382 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's it. Like, as you can only control 383 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: your own actions and your own thoughts, you cannot control 384 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: someone else. You cannot expect them to always be thinking 385 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: of everybody else and what they're how they're making people feel. 386 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: Because are you also thinking about everything you say and 387 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: how that affects the other person. No, So it's like 388 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: this whole thing. We're all like, I'm the victim. Don't 389 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: say this to me because I'll be triggered or it 390 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: might do this to me. It's like, but are you 391 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 3: also putting out what you want to get in? 392 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you something that my listeners will 393 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: hate me telling you because they've heard it too much, 394 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: but you have never heard it, right, Fuck it, So 395 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you. Everyone else, get yourself a chocolate, 396 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: come back in two minutes. So my PhD Leila is 397 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: on a thing called metaperception, which is your ability to 398 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: understand the Leila experience for everyone else. So the question is, 399 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: for everyone else in my life, what's it like being 400 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: around me? So for me, it's like, what's the Craig 401 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: experience like for Lela in this moment? What's the Craig 402 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: experience like? For my audience or for my mum or 403 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: dad or my business partner, what's the Craig or my friends? 404 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 2: Right? 405 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: And so it's understanding us through the eyes and experiences 406 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: of others, and it's kind of an interpersonal superpower. So 407 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: it's where we start to think. So when we think 408 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: about thinking, that's called metacognition, where we just start to think, 409 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: why do I think the way that I do? Why 410 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: do I react to what? 411 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: You know? Why when? 412 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: Why when you know, my dad does this, or my 413 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: friend does that or says that, why do I think that? 414 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: Why do I you know? 415 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: So that's it's kind of almost doing a deep dive 416 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: into understanding your own mind. And then the next level 417 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: on that is understanding the mind of others, which is 418 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: called theory of mind, which is your ability to just understand, 419 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily agree with, but how other people think, right yep. 420 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: And then the next layer to that is understanding how 421 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: people think about you. And you being a public figure 422 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: now like it or not, it's in your interest not 423 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: to be worried about what people think to you, but 424 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: to have an awareness of, oh, what's the. 425 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: Me experience like for them? 426 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: And that's something I've had to deal with and navigate 427 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: because you know, in the same show, I'll get feedback 428 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: from people going, thank you so much, that was fucking amazing. 429 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: Blah. Blah blah. 430 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: I love how real you are and the swearing and 431 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: the you know, the authentic and someone else will go, 432 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: please stop swearing, it's offensive. Yeah, you know, and you're like, 433 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: of course that's because it's the same stimulus. 434 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: But there's these myriad of individual responses. 435 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's something that like I've probably struggled with 436 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: a lot in my life is like what is another 437 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: person's experience of me? And getting used to the fact that, Like, 438 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: I think I went through a point where I was 439 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: like a real people pleaser. I just wanted to do 440 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: everything to please everybody and make sure I was liked. 441 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: And then I got to a point where I'm like, 442 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: why am I changing my behavior and who I am? 443 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: Like I've totally lost my creative spark. I'm not doing 444 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: anything that really makes me happy anymore. How do I 445 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 3: get back to being me? Because I am a bit 446 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: eccentric and you know, like and moving to a place 447 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: where you didn't grow up and everyone in the community 448 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: just knows you because they watched you grow up, I 449 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: think it's really hard. Like everyone in Walker just knew 450 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 3: I was a little bit creative, you know, they knew 451 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: my struggles and what i'd gone through with schooling and 452 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: they were all really supportive, and to this day that 453 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 3: little town is like my biggest fan club when I 454 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: love it. But then coming to a place where I 455 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: had to try and fit in and please everybody, you'll 456 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: lose that and then sort of going no, I want 457 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: to be me, and then the people that do like 458 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: me will come to me, and I can't make everybody 459 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: like me. I can try and be as pleasant to 460 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 3: these people that I don't have the same opinions and 461 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 3: views on life as, but I can't change myself to 462 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: just make sure that they like me. Does that make 463 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: any sense again? 464 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Yeah. 465 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's just about, you know, being authentical. 466 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: I mean, we can still be sensitive and aware to others' needs. 467 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: You know. 468 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: It's like my mum doesn't like swearing, so I don't go, 469 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: how the fuck are you merry? 470 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: Right? 471 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, even though I normally swear. 472 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware. 473 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: I'm sensitive to my mum's needs and likes and dislikes, 474 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: and so that's just to me, that's just respectful. But yeah, 475 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: but if you and me are hanging out having a 476 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: coffee and we talk for an hour, I'm probably going 477 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: to say fuck twelve times, right, and I don't do 478 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: it for a fact or you know, and maybe I 479 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: should or maybe I shouldn't, but it reminds me when 480 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: I first started. So my main job, Leila in Inverted Commas, 481 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: is corporate speaking. And when I first started, you know, 482 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: so I'm sixty one. I did my first corporate gig 483 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: at twenty six. By the time I was twenty seven, 484 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: twenty eight, thirty ish, I was, I was wearing fucking suits. 485 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: I hate suits and I hate suits, right. I own 486 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: one suit and if I absolutely have to drag it 487 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: out for a wedding or a funeral, have to, I will, 488 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: but I really don't. 489 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: And that's just me, right, And I just got. 490 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: To a point where I went, I mean, unless the 491 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: client or the company, unless they absolutely like, unless it's 492 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: a deal breaker, I'm not wearing a suit. And so 493 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: when companies book me, now I go, what's the dress code? 494 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: And if they go, you know whatever, I go cool, 495 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't wear suits, And they're like, I go, I 496 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: don't wear business attire. So I'll be wearing boots, jeans 497 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: and a shirt. 498 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: Is that okay? 499 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: And they go all right? 500 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: And if I can I'm going to go black T shirt, 501 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: army shorts and sneakers. They're like, all right, And I've 502 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: been at many corporate dig events where yeah, I'm. 503 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: The only person in the room in a pair of 504 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: shorts and. 505 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: That I'm I don't yeah, yeah, I mean it doesn't 506 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: have but for me, I don't know. 507 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: I feel like and. 508 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Again this is just completely individual, not right or wrong, 509 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: but when I wear a suit, I feel like I'm 510 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: pretending that I'm something that I'm not pretending to be 511 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: something I'm not. But all right, speaking of fashion, there's 512 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: so much to talk about with you. So you grew 513 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: up thinking you're a dummy, and you're not a dummy. 514 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: But at some stage, and we'll jump back and forth 515 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: because I know I'm not going chronologically in your story, 516 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: I realize that. 517 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: Tell us about you and fashion. When did that door open? 518 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: I guess it's a family thing. Like all the women 519 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: that have ever come before me have been very creative 520 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: and make things like and I guess you know, I'm 521 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: probably the first generation of my family where we have 522 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: access to just buying stuff because we want it. So 523 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: everyone else in my before me, if they wanted something, 524 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: they'd make it. Themselves, So I've got that. So my mom, my, Nan, 525 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 3: my great grandmother, they were all sewers and knitters and everything, 526 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 3: so I just naturally had that flare. But yeah, when 527 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: I went away to my second school in Armadale, they 528 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 3: had they actually had textiles as a subject, and I 529 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: just was like a duck to water. I loved it. 530 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: I loved sewing, I loved making clothes. And then when 531 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: I look back at it at my life as a kid, 532 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 3: like I used to make all my dolls little clothes 533 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: out of bits of scrap fabric that Mum had laying around, 534 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: and yeah, so I just have always had this fascination 535 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: with clothes and and fiber. I think I loved fiber 536 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: more than I loved fashion. I kind of didn't want 537 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 3: to work in the fashion industry after I'd gone and 538 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: studied it because I sort of resented everything that it 539 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: was like this fast fashion, manipulated people to buy your 540 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 3: product or that sort of thing, Whereas I fell in 541 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 3: love with wool. And I guess that's mainly because my 542 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: parents were fine wool growers, and I was like, how 543 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 3: am I going to make my dad rich? I'm going 544 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: to make clothes out of wool very nice. But yeah, 545 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 3: that's that was my plan. 546 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: Didn't work well, but you did it did go on 547 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: to win an award, so you must have some talent. 548 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: It tell us what did you win? It was something 549 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: when you're at school, wasn't it. 550 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I remember going to this Woolf Fashion Awards 551 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 3: in year nine and I just I even remember distinctly 552 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 3: sitting in the chair. I know exactly where I was 553 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 3: sitting in the audience, like I've got a memory like 554 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 3: you wouldn't believe, Like it's quite it freaks people out sometimes, 555 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 3: but I remember exactly where I was sitting. We were 556 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: watching this fashion show with all these other you know, 557 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: fashion things in war coming down. I remember saying to myself, 558 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: I'm entering this year next year and I'm in it. 559 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: And so I did, and I entered it and I 560 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: didn't win anything that year. But the following year I 561 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: entered and instead of entering the kids like the student section, 562 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 3: I entered the wedding dress section because I found this 563 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 3: really amazing fabric, white woolen fabric, and I made it 564 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 3: into a wedding dress. And I didn't think I was 565 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: going to win anything with it because I wasn't in 566 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: the student category. But yeah, I ended up winning a 567 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: scholarship to study fashion design. 568 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: And did you do it? 569 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I went on to do It was kind 570 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: of like my key to getting anywhere, because I wasn't 571 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: going to get into UNI with my grades at anything, 572 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: and to get into study fashion design because it's so competitive, 573 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: Like you needed a it was a UAI when I 574 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: was at school. You needed a ninety eight UAI. Definitely 575 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: wasn't getting. 576 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: That only if you added up all your subjects. 577 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah and put them all to it. So I 578 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: got forty nine point five. So I was like, way off. 579 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: It Isn't it funny though, that you can be based 580 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: on certain criteria, I mean you're not but on that 581 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: criteria or system, you know, very very sub average, right, Yeah, 582 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: But in a depending on what protocol or tool or 583 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: measurement we use, you might be the smartest in a 584 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: group of one hundred, depending on what it is we're measuring. 585 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, intelligence is such a it's such a spectrum 586 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: of stuff, isn't it. 587 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: And I think something the other day where they said 588 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: there's a difference between intelligence and knowledge. Intelligence is we 589 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 3: just have it or we don't but knowledge. You can 590 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: give yourself knowledge, and I guess that's what school is, 591 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 3: that they're giving us knowledge to then regurgitate it in 592 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: a way. But just because someone has all the knowledge 593 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're actually always intelligent in every situation. 594 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That is beautifully said. I mean that 595 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: is true, and there are some people that are knowledgeable 596 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: and smart. There are some people that knowledgeable and not smart, 597 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: some people that don't have the same academic prowess. I 598 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: would say you and me. I was probably probably marginally 599 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: better at school than you, but not a lot, to 600 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: be honest. And I'm even though I'm doing what I'm 601 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: doing now with my PhD, I'm not actually an academic. 602 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm more a pro academic, right, So I naturally understand stuff, 603 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: then I need to almost reverse engineer it to say, oh, 604 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: what does research say about this? Like I start off 605 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: with something that I intuitively or instinctively or experientially know, 606 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: and then I go, what is science or what is 607 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: research or academia say about this is the thing that 608 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: I know naturally, is it supported by any kind of evidence? 609 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: You know? 610 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: And that's the that's the thing, because we could there 611 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: are so many people that I need to say this carefully, 612 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: but Okay, so where I study and they're great people, 613 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: They're great and some of them are like, depending on 614 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: the conversation, I could feel like definitely the dumbest person 615 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: in the room because there's just I'm like that is 616 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: I've got no idea what you're all talking about. Or 617 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: there could be another conversation and I might be the 618 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: smartest person in the room. It depends what we're doing 619 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: and what the subject matter is. But I think that 620 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: overarching kind of idea of is can I what do 621 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: I know? What do I understand? And then most importantly, 622 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: what am I doing with that knowledge and that understanding 623 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: and that intelligence to create something good in the world 624 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: or me or good for my family or good for 625 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: the people I care about? Like, am I operationalizing this 626 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: stuff to produce real world results? 627 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? And I remember just being at school and having 628 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: these these thoughts, you know, where there's girls in my 629 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: year level that were just so smart and they'd get 630 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: like ninety eights and like be so clever, and I'd 631 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: get so frustrated at them because I'm like, you have 632 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: I would give anything to have what you have. In 633 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: beginning those marks but you're just you're always getting in 634 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 3: trouble and you're not really pushing yourself to your best ability. 635 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 3: Yet you have that potential, and it used to just 636 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: frustrate me so much because I would have just given 637 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: anything to be able to just get the marks that 638 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: they were getting and go and have the opportunity to 639 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: study whatever they wanted when they left school, and I 640 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 3: just didn't have that. They used to frustrate the shit 641 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: out of me. 642 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: I can imagine. 643 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: What. 644 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: So when did the. 645 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: Dyslexia curtain get pulled back and you and your family 646 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: went ah this? Yeah? 647 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: Year nine? So because yeah, I went away. 648 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: I went to. 649 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: Away to a different school because yeah, I just wasn't 650 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: getting anywhere at the current one I was at. But 651 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: the one that I was at, my best friend was there, 652 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: and we'd worked out a way of hiding everything. So, 653 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: like you know, when you're in like, dyslexics are really 654 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: good at disguising themselves because they don't want to stand out. 655 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 3: And I wasn't doing that consciously. It was just something 656 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: that I was doing because I thought I had to 657 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: fit in. So my best friend was kind of like 658 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: my safety blanket. And when I went away to the 659 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: next school, she wasn't there sort of helped me and 660 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: hide it. So what you know, when like it's the 661 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: worst thing teachers do. They're like, you read out a sentence, 662 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 3: you and you go around the room. And we'd go 663 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: around the room, and so i'd like count how many 664 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: people were in front of me, and then i'd count 665 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: the sentences and then be where I am, and then 666 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 3: i'd practice the sentence to make sure I had it. 667 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 3: So I wasn't hearing anything else going on in the classroom. 668 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: I'm just concentrating on making sure that when it gets 669 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 3: to me, I can read out my sentence. But then 670 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 3: there's always some smart ass in front of you who 671 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: thinks I'm going to read too rose the whole thing, 672 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 3: and you're like, now I've got to try and find 673 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 3: the next one. Now, where's the next one? But my 674 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 3: girlfriend used to sit next to me and she'd whisper 675 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: the words to me, and I just repeat them so 676 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: they could A great friend. I know, she's my best 677 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: And then in all our mass exams, I'd sit next 678 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: to her and I'd just copy her answers and wanted it. 679 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 3: No one ever worked it out, And we were so 680 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: good at it that some of them I'd make difference 681 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: so that it wasn't an exact her exams and stuff. 682 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: So when I went to the new school and like 683 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: the teachers that said, oh, she's okay at mass and 684 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: blow and my marks, like they were like, this kid 685 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: can't even add up because I was didn't have her 686 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 3: there to copy. And one of the teachers I kind 687 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 3: of worded up another girl. I'm like, oh, can you 688 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: just help me read this because I'm just a bit 689 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: nervous and I don't know how to read. And she 690 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 3: was whispering it to me and I was repeating it, 691 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: but the teacher heard her doing it and was like, 692 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 3: what's going on here? Like this isn't she's yeah, And 693 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 3: then that's when they started testing me and yeah they 694 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: were like you know there were letters back to front. 695 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: My whole handwriting was tilted like the wrong way. And 696 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: now even to this day, like Pete, when you read 697 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 3: my handwriting, it's like you've put that around the wrong way, 698 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: Like what are you doing? 699 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: Like were they were? 700 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: They? 701 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 2: Were they good though? Were they empathetic? And oh? 702 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: Like it was amazing. I had a learning support teacher, 703 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: missus Ashley. To this day, like I still stay in 704 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 3: touch with her. I used to spend an hour every 705 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 3: day with her go back learn different ways, Like she 706 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: really encouraged the creative side of me and like not 707 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: concentrating on just you know. She just said, like, you're 708 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: never going to be the best reader and writer, and 709 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 3: that's fine. We're going to play to your strengths. So 710 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 3: like I did all my creative subjects, I did really 711 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: well in those and there's always writing components to those subjects. 712 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: But she just was so supportive in the fact that 713 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 3: she's like, you know, are you going to write an 714 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 3: essay when you leave school? I was like, probably not, oh, 715 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 3: but here I am writing things. So it was good 716 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 3: to have that support. And then my textiles teacher in 717 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 3: year eleven and twelve, she was just amazing. Missus Thomas 718 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 3: definitely Thomas a stale state in touch with her and 719 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: having those people that believed in your strengths, not and 720 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: playing to your strengths rather than always telling you you're 721 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 3: not good at something and trying to make you better 722 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: at the thing that you're never going to be good at. 723 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: They found was good at and helped me get those Yeah. 724 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: Well, shout out to missus Ashley and shout out to 725 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Missus Thomas, shout out to mister Ryan, who used to 726 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: tell me. Mister Ryan, my year eight teacher, who used 727 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: to when I was fucking round, it'd go Harper. I'll 728 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: be like, yes, sir, you don't be a dickhead. I'm like, yes, sir. 729 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: But you know what I loved because I was being 730 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: a dickhead. I mean shock, everyone's everyone's like, oh my god, 731 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. 732 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 2: But he would go. 733 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: What I loved was there was no bullshit. He's like, 734 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: don't be a dickhead. I'm like, yes, sir. And that 735 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: was it, and I'm being a dickhead for solid twenty minutes. 736 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 2: And then he helped me again. But he was an 737 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: ex cop who yeah, he was a policeman, and then 738 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: later he became a teacher. So I bought that that 739 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: kind of cop energy and that authoritive kind of and 740 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: I needed it and I responded to it. So and 741 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 2: isn't it funny? Like I mean that we're talking two 742 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 2: thousand years ago, but isn't it funny? 743 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, missus Ashley and Missus Thomas are probably for you, 744 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 1: like twenty years ago plus, but you still you still 745 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: remember them and still value them, right yeah, yeah. 746 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 3: And it's and that's when I like, cause I started 747 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 3: teaching because you know, studied fashion design and married a 748 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: farmer and needed a job, so I did my dip D. 749 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 3: And that's what I said to myself, I want to 750 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 3: be that teacher in a kid's life. Like, I'm not 751 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 3: going to be that to everyone, but if there are 752 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 3: kids that I know are like that were like me, 753 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 3: I want to help them. And like my first two 754 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 3: years of teaching, like I still stay in touch with 755 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: some of those kids and they're great and I love 756 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 3: seeing them grow. But my art class, my first ever 757 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 3: art class, year eleven and twelve, they were just the 758 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: coolest kids. 759 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 2: So when did you start and stop? Oh, so you 760 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 2: taught art. 761 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: You didn't have to teach anything else though, Like I'm thinking, 762 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: you don't want to be teaching bloody Australian history or 763 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: something wherever you go. 764 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: But I think I'm better at teaching that because I 765 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 3: have a different way of teaching it, Like I have 766 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 3: a different sequence that kids can understand, rather than someone 767 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 3: who's just really good at history teaching history, someone who 768 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 3: struggled with something and has to work out how to 769 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 3: understand it can then explain it in a way that 770 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 3: helps other people understand it. I think it's quite an 771 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: interesting but no, I don't teach history and things. I 772 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 3: teach art, textiles, would metal food like the fun stuff? 773 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the fun start, you know. I think the 774 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: thing also about I can't remember the exact stat but 775 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: I think it's this, although I could fuck it up, 776 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: but thirty percent of all millionaires or around thirty percent 777 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: of all millionaires or not that that's necessarily a big 778 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: deal these days, but a dyslexic, like there's a disproportionate 779 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: number of people who are successful who have dyslexia. And 780 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: when you go you google famous people who are dyslexic, 781 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,959 Speaker 1: it's like so many really famous, high profile people. 782 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: I reckon. Part of it is exactly what you did. 783 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: You have to go through life solving problems, and when 784 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: you become a big person, you know, like you you 785 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: have your own business, you did your film which you 786 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: will talk about you like being a human. A big 787 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: part of being a human is just figuring shit out 788 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: in real time because life gives no fucks about your 789 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: results or your feelings or your happiness, and so you know, 790 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: It's like before the U Project, I did three other podcasts, 791 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: three other shows. They didn't work, and then I started 792 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: this one and I made no money for like, not 793 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: one dollar. I lost money for two years. And you go, oh, well, 794 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: you could call that a failure, or you could call 795 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 1: that part of my apprenticeship to become a black belt 796 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: instead of a white belt, you know, and so you're 797 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: you're produced. Like even when you spoke about failure before, 798 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking, when we reframe failure without trying to 799 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: sound too cliche again, you just go, well, there was 800 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: an outcome. Yeah, I learned from that outcome. Well, next 801 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: time I'll do more of that and less of that 802 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: other thing. Or that was completely wrong, but I reckon, 803 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: I've got more of an eight like. 804 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 2: We're always you know. 805 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: For me, I got to the point where I can 806 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: talk to you, who I've never met, for maybe an 807 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: hour and a half comfortably. Not because I'm a genius 808 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: or you're a genius, but because I've done this so 809 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: many times and I've had so many conversations, and I 810 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: used to be shit at it, and now I don't 811 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: think I'm brilliant at it now, but now I've got 812 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: skills and knowledge and awareness and understanding and insight that 813 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have. 814 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 2: But I couldn't get the knowledge skills, et cetera unless 815 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 2: I went through the shit. 816 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And like you could have read it in 817 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 3: a book on exactly how to do it, or watched 818 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 3: a documentary on how to do it, but you still 819 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 3: would never have learned what you've learned until you go, oh, 820 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 3: that's not the way you do it. The book did 821 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 3: say that, but I didn't understand why it wouldn't work. 822 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 3: But now I've done it and it didn't work. I 823 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 3: get it. 824 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 2: Now, I get our champs. 825 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: It's me just interrupting the flow of the conversation because 826 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: the lovely Leela and I. 827 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 2: Banged on for a long time. We had a very 828 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 2: long chat, an hour and a half or thereabouts. So 829 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 2: we're going to call this the end of part one. 830 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying it. We'll be back tomorrow with 831 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 2: a second bit.