WEBVTT - Sharri | 5 August 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.640 Why on Sky News This is Sharry. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:08.800 Good Evening. Welcome to the show. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.000 Well, the decision to raise the terror threat level is 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.920 a move the Albanese government and security agencies should have 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.800 made months ago. Albinizi tried to shift the blame for this, 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.720 saying it was a global trend while insisting that social 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.560 cohesion in Australia is something. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:27.320 He wants to protect. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.240 Yet his own government has done the precise opposite, importing 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.919 more hatred from the front line of Gaza while fueling 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:41.479 violence with their anti Israel. Ratrick Albanezi today spoke about 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:42.480 social cohesion. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.760 Our words and our actions matter. A social cohesion cannot 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:53.360 be taken for granted. It must be nourished and it 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.240 must be cherished as a national lessid. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.440 Well is he nourishing as he says social cohesion when 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.120 he brought in more than one one hundred people from Gaza, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.920 people who may be indoctrinated to hate Westerners and Jews 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.160 from the moment of birth, people who don't remotely share 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:19.199 our values of tolerance, equality and free speech, and people 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.920 who largely support her mus Hermus, a terror organization that 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:30.000 slaughters babies, children and pregnant women, and celebrates this murder. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.880 Arbanez he needs to take a hard look at his 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:38.120 own overaching strategy, because today he claimed to care about 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.520 the safety of Australians. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:45.360 My government's first priority is the safety and security of Australians. 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.800 But if that were the case, if it was genuinely 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.200 worried about our safety, then how could he possibly bring 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.840 to our safe country people who could be affiliated with Hermas, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.840 who could pose a threat to our national security. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:03.880 Earlier this year. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.040 I exposed at least one man who came here with 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.919 a visa granted by the Albanesi government who had liked 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:17.280 numerous posts supporting the terror attacks of October seven. And 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.160 our revelation tonight that the Albanesi government has granted a 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.640 twenty one year old her Must sympathizer a visa calls 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:30.160 into question the adequacy of their security checks, and their 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.680 security screening is far from adequate. As we've spoken about 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.960 here numerous times, some of these visas were granted in 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.000 as little as one hour. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.680 Some individuals claim that visit a visa forr relatives were 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.400 approved within one hour. It is possible, I'm sure that 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.200 how could you possibly do all the necessary security and 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.440 other checks in just an hour from an applicant. I 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.520 mean that's lightning speed approval. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.760 When we apply that, that vast run to be to 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.280 consideration of visit divisions. So if you look globally, a 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.520 very large number of our visit divisess would be done 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.800 inside of our The assessment is essentially looking at all 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.960 the information we hold and applying that in a number 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.560 of ways to shut the application in. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.680 Front of our system and shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.799 who was doing that questioning there. He's going to be 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.640 on my show tonight to react to the news that 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.960 our terror threat level is now probable well today, as 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.560 your boss Mike Burgess said, politically motivated violence is part 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.960 of the reason for the increased threat. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.640 You've heard me say many times that espionage and foreign 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:46.360 interference are our principal security concerns. ASIOS Intelligence suggests that 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.119 is no longer accurate. While the threats to our way 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.760 of life remain elevated, we are seeing an increase in extremism. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:59.000 More Australians are being radicalized and radicalized more quickly. More 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.640 Australians are in brace, seeing a more diverse range of 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.720 extreme ideologies and more Australians are willing to use violence 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.240 to advance their cause. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.640 And Mike Burgess the ASIOBOSS, spoke about the normalization of 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.240 inflammatory protests. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.240 Politically motivated violence encompasses terrorism, but is broader than that. 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.440 It covers any violent act or any violent threat intended 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.560 or likely to achieve a political objective. This includes violent 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.280 protest right or an attack on a politician or our 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:36.359 democratic institutions. This trend increased during COVID, gained further momentum 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.360 after the terroist attacks in Israel, and accelerated during Israel's 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:41.280 military response. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:47.640 Well, politically motivated violence escalated on October eighth, as he 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.919 just said, and that's when they should have raised the 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.719 terror threat level. But finally, belatedly, the Prime Minister raised 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.039 it today in an announcement he didn't seem to want 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.159 to make, while continuing to bring in more Palestinians who 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:08.920 may have extreme ideologies from the front line in Gaza. Now, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.680 a terror threat level of probable means that ASIO believes 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.359 there is a greater than fifty percent chance of a 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.840 terror attack or its planning occurring in the next twelve months, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.680 and Burger said Gaza was a significant driver of the 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.280 terror threat level, and when he was asked by a 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.520 journalist who were the targets, he indicated it could be 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.520 either the Jewish Islamic communities. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.200 Have a look, Gaza is not the cause of this rising, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.360 but actually I acknowledged yes, it's a significant driver. It's 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.080 driven more emotion and heat into society. In terms of 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.200 where this is going, it's across the board. Yes, there's 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.320 plenty of anti Semitism, but there's plenty of Islamophobia at 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:52.960 the same time. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.680 That is a serious erosion in social cohesion here in 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.960 Australia on ours. We know this has been happening, but 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.920 the Prime Minister tried to shift the blame away from 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.280 his own government for this rise in violence that we're seeing. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.400 He just claimed it was part of a global trend. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.919 There are many things driving this global trend towards violence. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:23.800 Governments around the world are concerned about youth radicalization, online 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:28.159 radicalization and the rise of new mixed ideologies. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.919 But we've spoken on many occasions about how Albin Easy 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.719 and his ministers are in fact fueling anti Israel's sentiment 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.240 by wrongly indicating that Israel hasn't been acting in accordance 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:48.599 with humanitarian law. The criticism of Israel, which is trying 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.400 to eliminate terrorists, has been over the top from the 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.800 Albanezy government and this is only inflamed the anti Semitism 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.440 that we've seen. And on the weekend, Ed sh Usick, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.039 one of Albanesi's team, wouldn't even say that the hate 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:09.200 preachers are spreading anti Semitism, The Sunday Telegraph reported, when 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.920 pressed about the rise of anti Semitic hate speech in 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:16.680 Australia amid the ongoing overseas amid the ongoing war overseas, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:24.440 Husick downplays the influence of radical Islamic preachers. Well, right now, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.880 these are the hate preachers that ed Husick is downplaying, 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.160 the invading Jews. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:34.320 We say, but along the day you will be kicked 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:35.600 up on Palistini is coming. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.880 Ed Husick could have easily chosen to strongly condemn the 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.080 hate preachers in that interview because they did celebrate the 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.880 mass slaughter of October seven at a time when the 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.000 terror threat level is rising. The Albanese government is in 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.560 my view, only making the threat to Australians worse by 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.080 refusing to shut down the extremists and by bringing in 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.240 straight from the war zone, people who hate everything we 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.040 stand for, especially when the security checks are far from adequate, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.800 to make sure that those granted visas don't support extremist 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:25.080 views and won't take part in violence. Now, back in November, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.240 the Prime Minister insisted the Palestinians they were flying into 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:34.440 Australia would be here temporarily, just visitor visas. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:43.000 Please, are not permanent vises. These are temporary visas. There 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:47.960 are the same security checks that are in place. Four people, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.040 four Australians that have been in place this regime for 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:53.760 a long period of time. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.480 Well you heard it there, just temporary, not permanent. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.880 But then yesterday Tony Burke, the you Immigration Minister, had 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.600 a different message. He said that there were no plans 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.000 to send the Palestinians back to Gaza. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.640 Obviously, in all of this, we're in a situation, as 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.000 is every country in the world where people have fled, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.040 where no country in the world is sending people back 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.960 to Gaza at the moment for obvious reasons. So we 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.920 have to work through what is the appropriate visa to 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.640 be able to consider for these individuals. No country in 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.160 the world would send people back to Gaza at the moment. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.600 No country in the world would do that, and so 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.080 we have to work through what happens as the visas 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.960 that people are currently on expires. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.120 No less than the Prime Minister assured Australians this was 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.920 just temporary, and now Burke's saying effectively, he's going to 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.760 look at other visa types. This was never temporary, the 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.480 Prime Minister light and all of this at a time 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.120 when the terror threat level is rising and some Australians 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.840 are feeling extremely unsafe. Security experts, by the way, are 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.439 also worried about these new visas. Here was Michael Shubridge, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.280 the Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, on with my colleague 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:14.560 Peter Kredlin earlier. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.400 It's an unfortunate fact that polls of Palestinians in Gaza 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.600 and the West Bank say over fifty percent of them 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.640 support armed struggle and around forty percent of them are 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:33.080 Hammas supporters. Now, anyone who supports armed struggle and or 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.240 Hamas is not the kind of person we want in 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.600 our community, stoking more anger and division. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:40.720 That's the problem. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:46.120 If there was a more cautious approach, with more rigorous 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.120 security checks, there might be more confidence in the Albanezy government. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.520 But they're being far from cautious. They're rushing the visa 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:59.760 process despite the very real, very tangible risks. What will 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.040 our easy say if God forbid, there's an attack by 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.760 someone they've brought in from the war zone, someone who 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:11.280 doesn't share our Australian values. Well, they're not going to apologize, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.720 just like the government didn't apologize when a Perth grandmother 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.880 was bashed by a released detainee. 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:18.240 They'll say they. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.360 Can't comment because it's before the courts, and they'll accuse 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.840 anyone who criticizes them of politicizing terror. But when social 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.920 cohesion is at tipping point, when violence is bubbling over, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.680 the Albanezy government needs to take a far more vigilant 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.640 approach to our security, and if they refuse to do so, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:44.400 the intelligence agencies should intervene before this government makes a 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.680 fatal error and grants a permanent visa to a violent 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:56.400 harmas supporter. Also coming up on the show tonight, spooked 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.000 investors have triggered a major market crash. Over one hundred 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.080 sixty billion wiped off the ASX in two days, and 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.240 now there are rising fears of a US recession, which 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.599 are seen global panic selling and violent social unrest is 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.280 sweeping across the United Kingdom, with right wing rioters taking 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.640 to the streets of immigration and an Ossie Bronze medallist 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.480 shares her story on how she drew strength from her 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.679 grandparents who are Holocaust survivors. All of that coming up, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.200 but first now let's bring in tonight's panel, Sky News 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.480 hosts Steve Price and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.880 Welcome to you both now. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.319 Steve Albanezi has been accused by many people the Coalition 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:45.960 security experts of fueling social unrest in his government's rhetoric, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.920 their continual anti Israel rhetoric. People think it must be true, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.439 and then they protest on the streets, so surely there's 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.000 no reason for surprise when finally the terror threat level 0:12:58.400 --> 0:12:59.080 has to rise. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.800 No, not at all. And look when you see Mike 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.360 Burgess today say that it's not the people he knows about, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.400 but the ones he doesn't know about that worry him 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.800 the most. But isn't it a delicious irony that the 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.240 Prime Minister, while standing there next to the head of 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.680 ASIO talking about how division is being whipped along by 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.560 the issue out of the Middle East, the Prime Minister 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.360 can't even go to his own office in his own 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.839 electric because it's being blockaded still, as I believe, by 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.280 pro Palestinian protesters. I mean, surely, if we're going to 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.320 get serious about this issue, and we've now got this 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.080 threat level that's been raised by one not surely, if 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.920 we're going to get serious about it, one of the 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.559 things we've got to start doing is stop these protests 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.280 where you've got protesters marching through the streets of our 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:51.120 capitals every weekend wearing pro hamas, badgers and kefirs and 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.280 all sorts of paraphernalia. Let's stop that for a start. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:55.800 Let's get all the people out of the front of 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.480 those offices, out of the way and get serious about it. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.840 But the problem is you've got to the alb An Easy, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.320 Tony Berg and Ed Husick, who all holds seats where 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.960 they want to not upset the voters in those seats 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.120 who are pro Palestine. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:10.840 But it's more important than politics. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.400 And the Prime Minister today in that press conference Joe 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.520 he indicated that some politicians even need security at the moment. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.120 Yeah. Absolutely. I think the PM has actually been very 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.880 non inflammatory and pretty reasonable in this I know he 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.120 hasn't been as outspoken in support of Israel as a 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:26.680 lot of people would like him to be, and that's 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.440 a fair cop. But again, he's called out those protesters 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.560 who are out front of his office and have stopped 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.200 him and his workers from being able to use that 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.359 electrics office. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:34.960 For months now. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.080 He's called out people who have used from the River 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.880 to the Sea chant and claimed that you know, that 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.320 was all fine and no problem. He said that's inappropriate. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.800 He said, that's basically supporting genocide. And he's appointed a 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.120 commissioner to investigate anti Semitism. That was the first point 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:51.520 of order. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:51.760 I know. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.400 Again he didn't do it as soon as a lot 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.320 of people wanted him to, but he did it before 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.600 he appointed the other commissioner for Social Cohesion or is 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.080 A or whatever, and that I think cente clear signal. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.480 I think the real problem here is that terrorists don't 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.280 think they're terrorists, right. Terrorists think they are doing the 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.760 right thing and they are pursuing a higher cause. And 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.560 I'm just happened to be listening to a series on 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.240 the Suffragettes and there's a big debate among historians at 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.000 the moment whether or not they should be described as terrorists. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.280 Obviously not on the same scale as Hamas or Hezbola 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.640 or anything we've seen here. But the issue is that 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:31.640 they use a fig leaf of legitimacy to justify their horrendous. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.800 Acturely, the burning of the Bras is nothing like the 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.400 slaughter of sulfuggested. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.360 More than burn bras, they bombed buildings and set fire 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.720 to buildings, And again there's a very live debate and 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.840 a lot of people are saying these are self described terrorists. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:48.680 The point is that if you give a if you 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.320 give legitimacy, if you give support to these grievances and 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:57.320 say yes, it's worth you know, vandalizing you know, war memorials, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:02.040 that it's worth vandalizing electrots or smashing windows, that it's 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.360 worth blockading people and keeping them out of their place 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.440 of work for months and months and months on end, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.680 you are basically giving comfort to terrorists. You're giving comfort 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.600 to the people say well, that's okay the window. Is 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.120 it okay for me to bash a cop? And if 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:17.240 it's okay for me to bash. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.280 That's exactly Joe, that's exactly what the Prime Minister hasn't done. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.320 That out people are getting left to have done. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.440 But it barely called it happen word law enforcement. Steve 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.720 Christ go ahead. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.240 No, of course he hasn't. And Joe talks about how 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.160 the Prime Minister's spoken a lot of words, that's all 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.000 he has done. Where is the action to stop this 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.120 thing happening, these things happening on the streets. Joe, I mean, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.760 it's all good in will to say, well, he said 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:51.760 the right thing. He's done nothing nothing, nothing either. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.920 A legal gray area if you just you know, sending 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.160 in the cops to just drag people off public football. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:01.440 They were happy during the COVID pandemic hate there are 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.119 most people do think that was outrageous. But there are 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.399 race hate laws and they haven't been used and they 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.560 should be used. Let's move on now because in another 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.760 area where the Alberanzi government is looking weak, another national 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.760 security area, we learn today in the Australian that in 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.000 the past thirteen months, sixty six criminals escaped being deported 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.320 thanks to Direction ninety nine, and among the list of 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.680 dangerous offenders were twelve people convicted of assault, seven of 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:34.159 drug offenses, seven with domestic violence offenses, under five people 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.800 with child sex offenses and less than five rape and 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.040 sexual offenders. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.560 So Steve, you know, obviously. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.840 Direction ninety nine isn't in effect anymore, but shouldn't the 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.560 new Immigration Minister Tony Burke review these decisions to allow 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.240 these people to stay in our country because it does 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.360 not make Australia safe. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.080 Well, mister Burke replaced Andrew Giles, so we would have 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.280 thought that when you put a new minister in you 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.600 get a different way of doing things. So Tony Burke's 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.680 got a very clear challenge here. It's pretty simple as 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.639 sixty six people who, when you read what they've been doing, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.520 should not be in the country. So mister Burke needs 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.119 to show that he's the tough guy, not someone who's 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.680 just been put in there to calm down the backbench 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.680 of the Labor Party. So come on, Tony, get these 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.520 sixty six and get him out of the country. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:29.879 I think most people would agree with you. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.240 I'm pretty sure you will. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.080 Let's have a look at the Macarati Commission. The new 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.840 Minister for Indigenous Australia is now in damage control after 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.920 Albanezy seemingly backed away from a Macarati commission over the weekend. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:42.600 Here he was. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:49.560 What we're proposed is Macaradam just being the idea of 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:50.760 coming together, so. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.480 It's talking to we're. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:58.199 Engaging well, Malandari McCarthy is now trying to convince the 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.040 public that Labor isn't going to and another election from 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:02.920 as here she was. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.680 I can certainly say, as a new Minister for Indigenous 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.440 Australians that that commitment we made, and the Prime Minister 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.280 repeated that in his speech at the forum in Gama, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.560 is one that I will certainly pursue. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.880 Joe, do you think the Prime Minister's just lost interest 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.320 in this area after the voicemail? 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:22.320 No? 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.399 In fact, I think what he's done is realize that 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.359 these kind of sort of bold, kind of slightly woolly, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.400 because again we've seen people all taking different meanings from 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.800 what the Prime Minister actually did or didn't say, and 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.560 deciding to project their own versions of it onto it. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.639 He's realized that this stuff is just not going to 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.919 get anywhere. That it has to be practical, it has 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.440 to be grassroots, it has to be economic support. That's 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:47.359 why what he's done is massive packages in education and 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.520 housing in the NT that were announced recently and again 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.840 his announcement in Gaza Gaza, Gama that this is going 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.520 to require that The biggest thing you can do to 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.280 help indigenous communities is economic development. Big projects up, get 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.959 them jobs. Like everybody else wants jobs, why shouldn't they 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.400 as well, Why shouldn't they get them and get them 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:11.040 into society, contributing economically and benefiting economically. And that's what 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:11.600 he's going. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.119 To do, Steve. 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.480 I love you like a brother, Joe. But on election 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.280 night the Prime Minister stood up there and said, I 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:23.400 will introduce I support the Uluru Statement from the heart, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.119 and I will implement it in full. There was no 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.520 gray area, he said in full. So what he's done 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.679 now is he's lost the voice referendum and he's just 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.760 worked out this is all too hard, and so what 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.040 he's doing is sitting back and let the state governments 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.240 do the heavy lifting. Victoria's already well down a road 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.119 on treaty and Macarata, all the other state governments, the 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.719 labor state governments are going to follow suit. So Albo 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.639 as Shari's just quite rightly pointed out, thought, oh well, 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.600 I've got too much other stuff to do. I'll leave 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:52.520 it up to someone else. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.320 It reminds me of but it reminds me of Kevin 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.720 right when he couldn't get a global deal on climate change, 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.320 and he just he just threw it away, lost interest 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:04.159 in it, didn't want. 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.439 To And you get with the PM knows that. I 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.720 can absolutely assure the PM certainly does not believe that 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.480 he has broken a promise. He does not believe he 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.720 committed specifically to those things. And I know very well 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.040 that the speech on election night that Steve's talking about, 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.600 it's still ringing in my ears. He believes he. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.119 Became in such a shock to everybody. 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.480 It wasn't spot to everybody, but clearly he has been 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:27.080 He has had his fingers burned by the voice. He 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.119 realized it's practical action that's going to make difference. But 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.880 also talking about all this kind of symbolic or historical 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.960 stuff in the middle of a cost of living crisis 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.600 is political suicide. And the PM is no fool. He 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.960 knows that all he needs to focus on right now 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.160 is cost of living, cost of living, and then if 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:42.639 there's time cost of living. 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.000 Yeah, all right, Joe hild Around Steve Price. Great to 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:45.640 see you both. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:47.600 Thanks guys, see you next Monday. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.480 Now we've been talking about the major story today that 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.400 Australia's terror threat level is now it probable. 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:56.000 So let's for more analysis. 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.720 Let's bring in Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.960 James, great to see you. Look, do you agree that 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.160 this should have happened months ago? 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:04.560 Now? 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.240 Show the opposition strongly supports ASIO and the Director General 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.680 Mike Burgess, and I'm sure they went through a very 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.600 careful and deliberate process, going through all their intelligence feeds 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.359 and their structured analytical process to reach this conclusion. But 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.120 I also think it's been self evident in our community 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.600 for months now, at least since the seventh October, that 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.440 we have faced increased level of the threat of terrorism. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.399 I mean, all you have to do is notice that 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:34.000 there've been half a dozen teenagers in Western Sydney charged 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.840 with offenses that police allege are motivated by terrorism, and 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.879 courts will ultimately decide the validity of those charges. But 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.520 that's a pretty strong data point that suggests we're living 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.760 in an elevated threat environment. But you can also look 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.119 at the massive increases in anti Semitism, or frankly, the 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:54.040 people who've been publicly displaying the symbols of terrorist organizations 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.880 on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney and other cities 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:01.320 proudly in contravention of federal Hate City Will legislation. 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.919 And yet the laws are just not being used. 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.119 The Prime Minister spoke today about social cohesion and how 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.080 we need to nourish it his words, would you say 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.240 he's nourishing social cohesion by bringing into Australia people from 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:18.600 a war zone who've been indoctrinated to hate Westerners without 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.199 adequate security checks. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.959 I think the Prime Minister has failed to uphold social 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.880 cohesion for the last nine months. At every opportunity. He's 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.119 failed to adequately condemn the instances of anti Semitism that 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.840 we've seen in our community. He's failed to ensure that 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.439 the law is enforced to stop people doing it, and 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:39.439 he's playing with fire with issues like this when he 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.320 brings people into our country from an area which is 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.600 a war zone, which is controlled by a terrorist organization 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:49.800 without adequate vetting or checks. We don't understand how it 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.840 is possible in twenty four hours on average, but in 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.639 some instans just one hour to do an identity check, 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.880 let alone a security check on someone and to now 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.400 contemplate extending their stay in Australia on a more permanent 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.080 basis is in total contravention to the original visas they're granted, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.879 which are temporary visitor visas, and so really it is 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.840 up to the new Immigration Minister, Tony Burke to demonstrate 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.080 why this will not in any way threaten Australia's safety, 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:15.440 security or social cohesion. 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.000 As you just said there, Tony Burke just yesterday in 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.280 an interview with Andrew Colonel said he was. 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:22.679 Looking at other visa types. 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.000 This is despite the fact that the Prime Minister and 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:26.680 the Foreign Minister said. 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.520 These were just going to be visitor visas. 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:31.879 Do you think there's reason for Tony Burke to be 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:36.440 extremely cautious or are you concerned that he's acting out 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.800 of purely political reasons that might benefit him in his 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:41.040 own electric. 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.240 Well, based on Tony Burke's performance last time he was 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.240 Immigration Minister in the Radguillard era, it's hard to have 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.159 any confidence in the way in which you will conduct 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.440 himself in this portfolio, even if he didn't have very 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:57.159 severe local political pressures, which is clearly responding to the 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.800 Labor Party lives in fear that will what will happen 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:01.960 to them at the next election is what happened to 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:06.280 their UK Labor Party counterparts, which despite a landslide election 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.919 victory for Keir Starmer, saw four of their seats fall, 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:14.040 including two front benches to pro Gaza independence backed by 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:18.440 independent Muslim community groups. There are groups like that organizing 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.000 in Australia. The Government's under huge pressure on that front. 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:22.879 I think it explains a lot of their weakness in 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.040 confronting anti Semitism since the election, and I worry that 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.359 that is one of the main reasons why Tony Burke 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.240 was appointed to this portfolio. It's certainly not because he's 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.399 got a great record in it, given that in just 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.720 eighty days as minister he allowed eighty three votes to arrive, 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.159 six hundred and thirty four people and a record of 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.240 nine hundred and ninety two children in detention, that's nothing 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:43.800 to be proud of. 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:47.679 James Patterson, you were off last week, but while you 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.240 were off, both the Prime Minister and Tony Burke attacked 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.600 you personally when it came to this issue of Board 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.639 of Security. They were quite personal remarks. 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.200 What did you make of them? 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.639 That don't worry to me too much, Shari. I'm not 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.480 surprised that I'm a target for the government, having just 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.359 helped remove their first time Affairs minister and their first 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.080 immigration minister. I'd be pretty cranky too, and I'd be 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.920 pretty sensitive about my record as Tony burkis if it 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.199 was such a bad one. He's attacked me for not 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.280 having been a minister. But I would rather have not 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.560 been a minister than been a minister with such a 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:22.840 shabby record like he has. 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.879 Just before you go, the former ADF Chief Mark Binskin's 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:31.720 report into the death of Australian aid workers by Israel 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:36.240 reinforced the findings of Israel's own investigation. It found that 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.520 the armed locally contracted security on the World Kitchen Convoy 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.520 gave the appearance of the presence of hamas. 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.480 It actually said that the Australian. 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:49.160 Defense FORSS could not have imposed equivalent reprimands as quickly 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.600 as the IDF was able to. Now, the Israeli government 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.840 hasn't criticized the report itself, but they have criticized the 0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:01.320 Australian government statement about the report, Israel says it included 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:05.879 misrepresentations and emitted crucial details. James, what's your view on 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.840 how this has been handled by the Albanesi government. 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.320 Well, Zomi Frankom's death is a tragedy. Everyone, including the 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.719 IDF for Greece, that it should not have happened, and 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.639 they took steps very swiftly to investigate it and to 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.040 take action to have punishment for the people involved in 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.600 violating the IDF's processes and procedures which led to these deaths. 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.879 Now to appoint our own person to independently investigate it 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.399 and to angrily publicly demand that they have unimpeded access 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:35.480 would have to be done by an Australian Prime minister 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.000 with very good grounds, and it turns out in Mark 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.400 Binskin's report that those grounds weren't there. He has essentially 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.399 upheld the IDF's version of what happened. He had no 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.000 issues with access, And yet the Prime Minister and the 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.360 Foreign Minister have treated an ally and a friend Israel 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.879 very shabbily throughout this process. I think where all left 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.240 to draw just only one conclusion from that, which is 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.320 that the Albanesi government's approach to these issues continues to 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.399 be driven by mystic politics. That's exactly why we should 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.320 be worried about someone like Tony Beck being a Home 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.120 Affairs and Immigration minister, why we should be concerned about 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.920 national security on this government's watch because they put domestic 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:11.919 politics ahead of the national interest. 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.240 Yeah, indeed, right, James Patterson, really appreciate your thoughts tonight. 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.800 Now coming up after the break, the latest news from overseas, 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.639 violent rioters running a mark in the UK. It is 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.840 utter chaos. So why is it happening? We're going to 0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:34.960 discuss this next Welcome Back Well. Riots rocked northern England 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:39.600 over the weekend, with right wing anti immigration protesters vandalizing 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:44.240 and setting fire to two hotels. This violent social unrest 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:48.080 follows the tragic stabbing of three young girls last week. 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:52.120 New Prime Minister Keir Starmer has condemned the violence. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:58.400 I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend. 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:04.000 In no doubt, those that have participated in this violence 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.560 will face the full force of the law. I guarantee 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.080 you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.120 or those whipping up this action. Online. 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.080 Sky News contributor Koshergada joins me. Now, Kosher, we didn't 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.800 hear comments like that when it came to violent anti 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:29.200 Israel protests. And also these young girls who were tragically killed, 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.520 they're now virtually being forgotten. 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.920 Indeed, Charion. This is one of the first tests of 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.120 the new Prime minister, if you will, on a global stage, 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.880 and many people have been criticizing what was missing from 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.720 the speech along the lines of what you just outlined. Look, 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.760 I think you know what triggered the extreme chaos, as 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.160 you said in the UK, is that heinous, horrific event 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.880 that took place in Southport and that lit the fuse. 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.560 But I think what this is setting up is the 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.960 question of what has set the fuse in the UK 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.200 and much of the western world, and you allude to 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.959 that at the top. Where people are pointing to a 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.240 clear inference is a reaction of the public to mass immigration, 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:12.360 where it really is a grand experiment that has happened 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:14.560 in modern history and just a handful of countries it's 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.120 never happened before. One school of thought has been that's 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.240 great and it riches these countries and. 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:20.160 Diversities are strength. 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.920 Another school of thought is that it really sets these 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.160 places up for a short fuze like this just because 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.040 it's human nature. You've got different people with different backgrounds 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.880 and culture and values living together, and then when something 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.800 like this happens, in some ways it's not surprising, even 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.680 though as horrific as these images are, it's not surprising 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.280 to see that fuze being lit. That's what's happening here. 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.000 And I think the Prime Minister's speech and other people 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.240 who rush to just call that one side in this 0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.280 context so far right do so at their peril because, 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.360 as you say, they're not mentioning what we see all 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.959 the time with other protesters, whether it's Palestinians or BLM 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:53.760 rioters and other people that are doing that too. It's 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.360 not just one group of people that's with this unease 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.440 right now in the in the West and particularly in 0:30:58.480 --> 0:30:58.840 the UK. 0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.560 We're going to keep covering this riot the UK Rights 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:02.920 this week. 0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.840 We're going to have Brendan O'Neil on the show as well. Now, Kosher, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:07.840 let's turn to the US. 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.840 Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has told what has. 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.000 Surely got to be a Joe have a look. 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.800 Top of his game, Such a consequential president of the 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.360 United States, a Mount Rushmore kind of president of the 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.280 United States. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:25.000 Want to know what comes next? 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:29.880 That he belongs up there on Mount Rushmore. Lincoln and 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:31.200 Joe Biden. 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.560 But you got Teddy Roosevelt up there, and he's wonderful. 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.480 I don't say take him down, but you can add Biden. 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.120 I mean, Nancy Pelosi helped bring Joe Biden down. Now 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.520 she says he was at the top of his game. 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:48.520 Should be chipped into rock alongside George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:53.080 Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt to Roosevelt when he's never been 0:31:53.160 --> 0:32:00.120 more confused kosher. Maybe she's lost her marvels as well. 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.520 I would say that Nancy Pelosi is a master politician 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.120 and a master tactician, and if she's saying anything even now, 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.600 she has purpose behind it. I think what we're seeing 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.560 is sort of the sandwich where she was nice about 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.840 him and was backing him in the beginning. After that 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.880 disastrous debate, she was widely reported as being one of 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.240 the key players in the mutiny that the Democrats ran 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.440 against their own nominee and the switcheroo that they pulled off. 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.880 And now she's closing the sandwich with some nice words 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.800 and very effusive, ephemistic words out there about him. I 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.360 don't think it'll ever happen, but she I think it's 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:33.600 meant to say, you know what, we did, what we 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.840 had to do. We replaced him, that the polls are 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:37.720 tightening as a result of that, and now we can 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.400 give him something really nice, whether it's Mount Rushmore or 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:41.400 something something less. 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.080 That's all part of I think the strategy. 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.600 I mean, while Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, according to 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.440 reports neck and neck, this is the lightest CBS you've 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:55.120 got poll, the Vice president is now according to the poll, 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.480 she's look it's one pole, but she's apparently got a 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:01.200 one point laid nationally. This is rasing the five point 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.280 laid that Trump had over Biden. 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:05.520 Look, the polls got. 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.800 It wrong before, plenty of times before, but it does 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.160 appear that Kamala Harris is catching up and making ground 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:12.880 on Donald Trump. 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.320 And we're only a few months out now from the election. 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:18.200 I think so. 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.760 As you mentioned, polls have not covered themselves in glory 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.800 in recent years around the world. But I think what 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.400 we are seeing is America is a very divided country. 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:29.640 The last several elections have been won and lost on 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.440 razor thin margins, and we're seeing a restoration back to 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.520 that dynamic. And basically what was happening when Biden was 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:38.200 in the ticket after that debate is there was a 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.760 big chunk of Democrats that just couldn't do it because 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.680 it was so disastrous as cognitive decline. Those people are 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.120 coming back home and that's sort of evening out the 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:47.400 playing field between the. 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:47.760 Two of them. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.040 Regardless of the flaws or the peculiarities of the particular 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.320 candidacy and Kamla, this is going to continue to be 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.520 a zor Razor thin election. And it's really interesting because 0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.280 it's never happened in modern times where they've done this 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.440 and basically installed somebody who's never had a single vote 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:06.680 from the Democrat voters and the Democrat base. And yet 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.279 here she is very very close to possibly taking the 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:09.719 top job. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.759 And he's untested in debates and still appears to be 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.960 untested in media interviews. But you'd have to think if 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.799 Donald Trump doesn't win in November, I mean, this would 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.800 have to be the last time he would run, because 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:25.319 this is his third time standing for president. I mean, 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:29.080 he has enormous support in the Republican Party, but surely 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.880 if he loses two elections in a row, he couldn't 0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:32.400 go again. 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:34.879 And his age as well. 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.360 Yeah, it would appear. So I mean with Trump, you 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.640 never know, but yes, he's almost eighty years old at 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.239 that point. He would be eighty four. I think that's 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.600 a fair conclusion, and many would say his picking of 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.759 jd Vance maybe is sort of a nod to that 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.000 that whether he wins or loses, he sort of wanted 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.520 to pave the way for somebody that can carry the 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:58.000 mantle of trump Ism, populism and all the policies that 0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.440 he's stood for, in somebody who's quite young and has 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.200 a long future ahead of him in Republican politics. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.920 Yeah, exactly, only thirty nine years old. I think turns 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.480 forty perhaps this month, Jodi Vouts. All right, Koschhagada, thank 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.239 you very much for your time. Now coming up a 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.960 blood bath on the Australian Stock Exchange, with the market 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:16.080 experiencing its. 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.560 Worst two day session in two years. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.759 We'll also look at tomorrow's rate decision and what it 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.480 means for the Prime Minister's election timing. 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:25.600 Stay tuned. 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.600 Well, Still lots more to get through tonight. Let's jump 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.839 into it with my political panel, former Scott Morrison Press 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:39.920 secretary Andrew Carswell and former Gillard government advisor Darren Bynett. 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:41.080 Great to see you both. 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.040 Look, let's start with the fears of a US recession 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.840 and this has sparked a massive sell of globally, with 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.680 the Australian share market as well. Many reasons for this, 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.720 but the Australian share market plunging more than three percent, 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.920 extending its Friday loss to mark the worst two day 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:02.359 performance in years. Investors are rattled. It's what wiped more 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.120 than one hundred billion dollars off the ASX. This is 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.880 leading to the ASEX losing two hundred and thirty one points, 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.839 or two point nine percent just after midday today, Drew, 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.000 can you break us through some of the reasons that 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.360 market analysts are saying have caused this and where do 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:20.600 you think this is now headed? 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.360 Certainly well, I think this is a there's a growing 0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:29.280 fear now that the US economy will plunge into recession, 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.560 the world's largest economy. And there is the growing realization 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:37.960 too that the difficult challenge of trying to tame high 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.560 inflation is going to result in a hard landing in 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.040 the economy and not a soft landing as predicted. Even 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.000 as late as last week, economists were suggesting that the 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.720 US had managed to thread the needle on this inflation equation, 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.680 that that managed to bring down inflation without doing any 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.400 damage to the economy. But it's quickly realizing that that 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.560 is not the case. And the latest startup we've seen 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.480 is unemployment picking up dramatically higher in the US. The 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:10.279 manufacturing sector is under significant pressure so and it is 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:14.000 in fact contracting in the last quarter. So what we're 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.760 seeing is markets pricing in that risk. They're also pricing 0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:20.960 in the risk of a potential bust in what in 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.320 the in the in the bubble that is currently around 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:29.279 AI tech stocks, there's an increasing understanding that AI tech 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.799 stocks are way over valued and they will need some 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.399 kind of retraction there as some kind of fallback from 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.719 the positions that they are currently in. So you've got 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:42.200 those two dual things competing against each other, and the 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.239 market is trying to realize what is going to be 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.920 the economy once inflation comes down to the level it 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.880 needs to be, will the economy be damaged? 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.040 I think this has the risk of getting even worse. 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.480 You know, it's kind of something that no one really predicted. 0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.879 And even about a week and a half ago when 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:03.399 we started to see wall streets suffer, you know, people 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.800 said it's just kind of a correction. 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.960 It's not going to be that bad. Now it is 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.240 looking like there could be a recession. There's panic selling. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:17.960 Australia is reacting and it is looking kind of like 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:19.000 it could have. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.759 Certainly futures markets degenerate, and that's always an indication that 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.319 there is nervousness among investors. And what Andrew says is 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:30.120 absolutely correct. There's a risk of the US falling into recession. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.279 But equally, there have been some record highs in the 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:38.320 AX and other sort of indicators over recent times. Because 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.480 of that, we're not at the stage of absolute panic selling. 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.879 But the big thing for Australia is interest rates, and 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.040 I think a lot of the pricing in the market 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.880 is trying to guess who's going to cut their rates first, 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.239 if at all, And there's a speculation in Japan, in 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.680 the US, in Australia, and a lot of the international 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.839 money washing through those markets. They're just trying to make 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.120 themselves a bit of cash on who's going to cut 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.480 rates and try and make themselves some money, And so 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:10.600 you've got to always look at that. That's the overriding 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.399 factor here, is that volatility in interest rates and all 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.280 of those factors combine lead to nervousness. 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.319 Yes, well, internationally, you know countries are, as you say, 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.919 looking at cutting rates. But Andrew and Australia, we're seeing 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.080 a couple of economists say that rates aren't going to 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.319 fall until the first quarter of next year at the 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:34.160 earliest December this year. We're expecting the IRBA to hold 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.239 rates steady at four point three five percent tomorrow after 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.319 their two day board meeting. But Australia does have a 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.040 different environment. I mean we're still at the question of 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.160 are the rate's going to remain steady or rise, whereas 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:51.560 other countries are starting to think about cutting them. 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.239 Yeah, that's right, Shara. There's no question that the RBA 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.040 will be sitting on their hands tomorrow and looking at 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:00.560 what's going on in global markets as well sitting in 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:02.680 the back of their minds. But if there is a 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:06.200 contemplation either way in terms of movement, that contemplation is 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.719 still directed towards an increase rather than a decrease. We're 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:13.680 in a different set of circumstances to the US. The 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:18.120 US could make a move downward on interest rates as 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:23.000 early as September, particularly if this market volatility continues, But 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.160 we don't have that argument here that there is based 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:31.320 on the current inflation data. Based on our strong employment figures, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.279 there is no reason to be considering a cut in 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:39.160 interest rates. It all depends on where where employment goes 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.160 in this country, and it all depends on whether they 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.000 can bring inflation back within that band before Christmas, as 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.279 has been suggested in the budget. 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.200 How does this impact on politics, Darren? 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.439 If we're not going to be looking at a rate 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:55.160 cut until February next year, then there's no way. Surely 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:56.880 the Prime Minister is going to head to the polls 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:57.520 this year. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.480 No way at all, and he's going to try and 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.360 wait for rate cut. And if he waits for a 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.000 rate cut, hopefully there'll be a second rate cut. So 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.040 I think that's absolutely true. The chances of an election 0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.279 this year are fairly minimal. Until two weeks ago there 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.960 was a risk, a substantial risk that there might be 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.960 one more rise before there'd be a fall. And if 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.880 that was still a risk, it's less than it was 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:21.960 of two or three weeks ago. The last round of 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.160 data was within the band for the RBA to consider. 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.480 So I think if the next movement is up, its 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.960 enormous political trouble. But if the next movement is down, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.839 it'll be something the government waits for and will take 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.600 that very much into account about when the election will 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:38.959 be called. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.200 Yeah, the impatient data last week was in line with 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:42.400 the RBA's expectations. 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.000 But it doesn't mean we're not going to see an increase. 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.640 It doesn't mean the cost of living pressures of diminished. 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.640 Completely agree with that that people are doing it tough 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.399 and they will vote according to how they feel at 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.239 that time exactly now. 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:58.480 Former Australian boxer Anthony Mundine front at court back in 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.279 June and he pled not guilty to a charge of 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:05.279 not complying with a COVID direction in twenty twenty one, 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.200 in the height of the pandemic, he allegedly failed to 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.760 scan a QR code to check into a bunning stop. 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.560 He was also accused of not wearing a face mask. 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.759 He said he didn't have to wear one. Now, this 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.840 is a fascinating story because thousands of COVID penalties have 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:24.280 been counseled since the new South Wales Supreme Court decision 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:28.520 was handed down last year. But Mundine's barrister claims that 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.960 because he commenced legal action two months before the ruling, 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.640 the matter was not picked up by the fine administrator. 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.480 Now his due back in court tomorrow, and I spoke 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.719 with him a little earlier this afternoon. 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:45.920 Here he was, I'm doing to got called tomorrow to 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:50.520 face his offense, and good willing it'll be have you 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.759 all dealt with tomorrow. You know, they can have some 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:58.200 common sense and you know, treatd for what it is, 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:02.120 and that's pretty for what it is, and I get 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:04.239 the right decision and can get off, you know what 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.440 I mean. So a lot of people other people have 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.640 got off and they've got their fines back and things 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:15.160 like that. You know, I'm hoping that justice does prevail tomorrow. 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.480 Pretty unbelievable that I'm still going through it and you 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.080 being going through it, and you know, good willing, it'll 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:25.480 be squashed tomorrow, and I'm hoping for a good outcome. 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.560 Andrew Carswell, I mean, this is unbelievable that people are 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:32.960 still being prosecuted for not scanning a QR code when 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.879 the whole QR system didn't work in the. 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:40.719 End, I had conveniently forgot about this whole system of 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.200 scanning in QR code. So it's a certainly a throwback, 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:49.359 isn't it. Look I think sense will prevail here. I'm 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:51.960 glad Anthony is making a stand on this issue. Some 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.480 of the some of the rules that the state government's 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:59.319 introduced in and around COVID. We're far above beyond the 0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:03.280 sense and they went well above what they should have done, 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.319 so I think sense will prevail here. Is just one 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:07.280 of those quirks of the legal system that we're hopefully 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:08.239 just knocked on the head. 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.319 Yeah, all right, we'll see how it goes tomorrow. Bring 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.960 you an update tomorrow night. Andrew Carswell, Darren Barnett, great 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.840 to see you both. Now still to come in Australian 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:20.160 Olympian shares how her family's history surviving the Holocaust helped 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:28.359 her win her incredible story Up next, welcome back. 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:28.680 Well. 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.120 Before we wrap up the show, I just want to 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:33.560 have a look at some of their inspiring moments of 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.080 human spirit that we've seen at the Olympics. Now, there 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.720 has been a lot of woke nonsense surrounding the Games, 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.480 but there are plenty of other heartwarming stories from the 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:48.399 incredible athletes who've performed. There's Simone Biles, who came back 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:53.360 from mental health struggles to win three gold medals, cementing 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:57.520 her place in history as one of the world's best gymnasts. 0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.960 At first, there was disappointment when our Golden Girl Jess 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.680 Fox was knocked out of the kayak cross event, before 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.600 she realized that her younger sister know Me not only 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:13.760 made it through but came first. And keep in mind, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.919 Jess Fox has had a fantastic run of her own. 0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.799 She won two gold medals at these games. And then 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:25.280 here's another one, Ozzie Jemima Montag. She gave a shout 0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:30.399 out to a Holocaust survivor grandmother after winning bronze in racewalking. 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:31.600 Have a look. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.520 But the fact that this race was in Paris, there's 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:39.680 also a significant part of your family's history that runs 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.120 through this city as well. How important was that for 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:43.520 you when you were running in this race? 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:45.120 Yeah, really important. 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:49.160 So my grandparents were Holocaust survivors and Paris was where 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:54.040 they sought refuge after Auschwitz. It's been really interesting getting 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.720 to know more of that story since my nana passed 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.880 a few years ago, and I knew when this Olympics 0:45:59.920 --> 0:46:02.160 were named in Paris that I'd be able to draw 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.080 on extra strength from her knowing that this is where 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:05.520 she came. 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.280 Can you tell us about the bracelet? 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:08.719 Let's on your risk So. 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:13.160 This was Nana's necklace, and actually, before she died, my 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.880 Auntie had it made into three identical bracelets for my 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.440 sisters and I. It never comes off, and it's just 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:24.560 a really tangible reminder of her legacy, her strength, her resilience, 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:25.400 her courage. 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.600 And it reminds me also that when. 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.279 Races get to that sticky point where you're thinking of 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:36.320 giving up or questioning your grittiness, your desire, it reminds. 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.560 Me that all of that is in my DNA. 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.920 And it also reminds me that I've got to make 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.160 the most of this opportunity in life. You know, hers 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:49.120 was nearly taken away so many times, and I'm so 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:50.560 grateful to. 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:54.239 Be able to give this a shot. So were you 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:54.920 thinking of her? 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:59.400 So you hit that fifteen kilometer mark, you clearly exhausted, 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.280 but you need to dig deep and find something extra 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.480 Or was her story going through your mind at that time? 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:06.240 Yeah? 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.960 So I sent my performance team and my family a 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.279 list of affirmations that they could yell out to me, 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.200 and one of them is just Judy is with you. 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:18.759 And I like tear up when I think of that, 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.080 and it's like, yeah, she's no longer alive, but the 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:27.040 bracelets on and I've got her genetics, and she's with 0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:31.839 me looking down, so drawing on her strength definitely when 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:33.200 I've lost all of my own. 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.720 How significance of an influence has she been in your life? 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.200 Oh? 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.799 To be honest, I think once I was born she'd 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.120 really entered her decline and most Holocaust survivors would have 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:51.080 had significant amounts of PTSD and depression. And according to 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.279 my dad and my auntie, I never met the. 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:55.000 True Judith Montag. 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.680 So it's I'm almost getting to know her since her passing, 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:02.360 trying to piece together her survival story and thinking ahead 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:05.000 to maybe turning it into a book one day. And 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:08.279 it's actually really heartwarming getting to know her through these 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:13.360 love letters and these photographs and these recordings of her story. 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.480 And a big thanks to Matt Cunningham for that interview 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:18.120 from Paris. 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:19.480 Isn't that a beautiful story? 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.840 And how her family are shouting out messages of inspiration 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:26.640 and affirmation as she's racing, just incredible. Well that's all 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:28.960 we have time for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight. 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.560 We've got just Center Price on the show, so make 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:32.560 sure you tune in. 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.560 But right now Here's Paul Murray in the man Cave.