Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Well, the decision to raise the terror threat level is
Speaker 3: a move the Albanese government and security agencies should have
Speaker 3: made months ago. Albinizi tried to shift the blame for this,
Speaker 3: saying it was a global trend while insisting that social
Speaker 3: cohesion in Australia is something.
Speaker 2: He wants to protect.
Speaker 3: Yet his own government has done the precise opposite, importing
Speaker 3: more hatred from the front line of Gaza while fueling
Speaker 3: violence with their anti Israel. Ratrick Albanezi today spoke about
Speaker 3: social cohesion.
Speaker 4: Our words and our actions matter. A social cohesion cannot
Speaker 4: be taken for granted. It must be nourished and it
Speaker 4: must be cherished as a national lessid.
Speaker 3: Well is he nourishing as he says social cohesion when
Speaker 3: he brought in more than one one hundred people from Gaza,
Speaker 3: people who may be indoctrinated to hate Westerners and Jews
Speaker 3: from the moment of birth, people who don't remotely share
Speaker 3: our values of tolerance, equality and free speech, and people
Speaker 3: who largely support her mus Hermus, a terror organization that
Speaker 3: slaughters babies, children and pregnant women, and celebrates this murder.
Speaker 3: Arbanez he needs to take a hard look at his
Speaker 3: own overaching strategy, because today he claimed to care about
Speaker 3: the safety of Australians.
Speaker 4: My government's first priority is the safety and security of Australians.
Speaker 3: But if that were the case, if it was genuinely
Speaker 3: worried about our safety, then how could he possibly bring
Speaker 3: to our safe country people who could be affiliated with Hermas,
Speaker 3: who could pose a threat to our national security.
Speaker 2: Earlier this year.
Speaker 3: I exposed at least one man who came here with
Speaker 3: a visa granted by the Albanesi government who had liked
Speaker 3: numerous posts supporting the terror attacks of October seven. And
Speaker 3: our revelation tonight that the Albanesi government has granted a
Speaker 3: twenty one year old her Must sympathizer a visa calls
Speaker 3: into question the adequacy of their security checks, and their
Speaker 3: security screening is far from adequate. As we've spoken about
Speaker 3: here numerous times, some of these visas were granted in
Speaker 3: as little as one hour.
Speaker 5: Some individuals claim that visit a visa forr relatives were
Speaker 5: approved within one hour. It is possible, I'm sure that
Speaker 5: how could you possibly do all the necessary security and
Speaker 5: other checks in just an hour from an applicant. I
Speaker 5: mean that's lightning speed approval.
Speaker 6: When we apply that, that vast run to be to
Speaker 6: consideration of visit divisions. So if you look globally, a
Speaker 6: very large number of our visit divisess would be done
Speaker 6: inside of our The assessment is essentially looking at all
Speaker 6: the information we hold and applying that in a number
Speaker 6: of ways to shut the application in.
Speaker 3: Front of our system and shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson,
Speaker 3: who was doing that questioning there. He's going to be
Speaker 3: on my show tonight to react to the news that
Speaker 3: our terror threat level is now probable well today, as
Speaker 3: your boss Mike Burgess said, politically motivated violence is part
Speaker 3: of the reason for the increased threat.
Speaker 7: You've heard me say many times that espionage and foreign
Speaker 7: interference are our principal security concerns. ASIOS Intelligence suggests that
Speaker 7: is no longer accurate. While the threats to our way
Speaker 7: of life remain elevated, we are seeing an increase in extremism.
Speaker 7: More Australians are being radicalized and radicalized more quickly. More
Speaker 7: Australians are in brace, seeing a more diverse range of
Speaker 7: extreme ideologies and more Australians are willing to use violence
Speaker 7: to advance their cause.
Speaker 3: And Mike Burgess the ASIOBOSS, spoke about the normalization of
Speaker 3: inflammatory protests.
Speaker 7: Politically motivated violence encompasses terrorism, but is broader than that.
Speaker 7: It covers any violent act or any violent threat intended
Speaker 7: or likely to achieve a political objective. This includes violent
Speaker 7: protest right or an attack on a politician or our
Speaker 7: democratic institutions. This trend increased during COVID, gained further momentum
Speaker 7: after the terroist attacks in Israel, and accelerated during Israel's
Speaker 7: military response.
Speaker 3: Well, politically motivated violence escalated on October eighth, as he
Speaker 3: just said, and that's when they should have raised the
Speaker 3: terror threat level. But finally, belatedly, the Prime Minister raised
Speaker 3: it today in an announcement he didn't seem to want
Speaker 3: to make, while continuing to bring in more Palestinians who
Speaker 3: may have extreme ideologies from the front line in Gaza. Now,
Speaker 3: a terror threat level of probable means that ASIO believes
Speaker 3: there is a greater than fifty percent chance of a
Speaker 3: terror attack or its planning occurring in the next twelve months,
Speaker 3: and Burger said Gaza was a significant driver of the
Speaker 3: terror threat level, and when he was asked by a
Speaker 3: journalist who were the targets, he indicated it could be
Speaker 3: either the Jewish Islamic communities.
Speaker 7: Have a look, Gaza is not the cause of this rising,
Speaker 7: but actually I acknowledged yes, it's a significant driver. It's
Speaker 7: driven more emotion and heat into society. In terms of
Speaker 7: where this is going, it's across the board. Yes, there's
Speaker 7: plenty of anti Semitism, but there's plenty of Islamophobia at
Speaker 7: the same time.
Speaker 3: That is a serious erosion in social cohesion here in
Speaker 3: Australia on ours. We know this has been happening, but
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister tried to shift the blame away from
Speaker 3: his own government for this rise in violence that we're seeing.
Speaker 2: He just claimed it was part of a global trend.
Speaker 4: There are many things driving this global trend towards violence.
Speaker 4: Governments around the world are concerned about youth radicalization, online
Speaker 4: radicalization and the rise of new mixed ideologies.
Speaker 3: But we've spoken on many occasions about how Albin Easy
Speaker 3: and his ministers are in fact fueling anti Israel's sentiment
Speaker 3: by wrongly indicating that Israel hasn't been acting in accordance
Speaker 3: with humanitarian law. The criticism of Israel, which is trying
Speaker 3: to eliminate terrorists, has been over the top from the
Speaker 3: Albanezy government and this is only inflamed the anti Semitism
Speaker 3: that we've seen. And on the weekend, Ed sh Usick,
Speaker 3: one of Albanesi's team, wouldn't even say that the hate
Speaker 3: preachers are spreading anti Semitism, The Sunday Telegraph reported, when
Speaker 3: pressed about the rise of anti Semitic hate speech in
Speaker 3: Australia amid the ongoing overseas amid the ongoing war overseas,
Speaker 3: Husick downplays the influence of radical Islamic preachers. Well, right now,
Speaker 3: these are the hate preachers that ed Husick is downplaying,
Speaker 3: the invading Jews.
Speaker 8: We say, but along the day you will be kicked
Speaker 8: up on Palistini is coming.
Speaker 3: Ed Husick could have easily chosen to strongly condemn the
Speaker 3: hate preachers in that interview because they did celebrate the
Speaker 3: mass slaughter of October seven at a time when the
Speaker 3: terror threat level is rising. The Albanese government is in
Speaker 3: my view, only making the threat to Australians worse by
Speaker 3: refusing to shut down the extremists and by bringing in
Speaker 3: straight from the war zone, people who hate everything we
Speaker 3: stand for, especially when the security checks are far from adequate,
Speaker 3: to make sure that those granted visas don't support extremist
Speaker 3: views and won't take part in violence. Now, back in November,
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister insisted the Palestinians they were flying into
Speaker 3: Australia would be here temporarily, just visitor visas.
Speaker 4: Please, are not permanent vises. These are temporary visas. There
Speaker 4: are the same security checks that are in place. Four people,
Speaker 4: four Australians that have been in place this regime for
Speaker 4: a long period of time.
Speaker 2: Well you heard it there, just temporary, not permanent.
Speaker 3: But then yesterday Tony Burke, the you Immigration Minister, had
Speaker 3: a different message. He said that there were no plans
Speaker 3: to send the Palestinians back to Gaza.
Speaker 9: Obviously, in all of this, we're in a situation, as
Speaker 9: is every country in the world where people have fled,
Speaker 9: where no country in the world is sending people back
Speaker 9: to Gaza at the moment for obvious reasons. So we
Speaker 9: have to work through what is the appropriate visa to
Speaker 9: be able to consider for these individuals. No country in
Speaker 9: the world would send people back to Gaza at the moment.
Speaker 9: No country in the world would do that, and so
Speaker 9: we have to work through what happens as the visas
Speaker 9: that people are currently on expires.
Speaker 3: No less than the Prime Minister assured Australians this was
Speaker 3: just temporary, and now Burke's saying effectively, he's going to
Speaker 3: look at other visa types. This was never temporary, the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister light and all of this at a time
Speaker 3: when the terror threat level is rising and some Australians
Speaker 3: are feeling extremely unsafe. Security experts, by the way, are
Speaker 3: also worried about these new visas. Here was Michael Shubridge,
Speaker 3: the Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, on with my colleague
Speaker 3: Peter Kredlin earlier.
Speaker 10: It's an unfortunate fact that polls of Palestinians in Gaza
Speaker 10: and the West Bank say over fifty percent of them
Speaker 10: support armed struggle and around forty percent of them are
Speaker 10: Hammas supporters. Now, anyone who supports armed struggle and or
Speaker 10: Hamas is not the kind of person we want in
Speaker 10: our community, stoking more anger and division.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 3: If there was a more cautious approach, with more rigorous
Speaker 3: security checks, there might be more confidence in the Albanezy government.
Speaker 3: But they're being far from cautious. They're rushing the visa
Speaker 3: process despite the very real, very tangible risks. What will
Speaker 3: our easy say if God forbid, there's an attack by
Speaker 3: someone they've brought in from the war zone, someone who
Speaker 3: doesn't share our Australian values. Well, they're not going to apologize,
Speaker 3: just like the government didn't apologize when a Perth grandmother
Speaker 3: was bashed by a released detainee.
Speaker 2: They'll say they.
Speaker 3: Can't comment because it's before the courts, and they'll accuse
Speaker 3: anyone who criticizes them of politicizing terror. But when social
Speaker 3: cohesion is at tipping point, when violence is bubbling over,
Speaker 3: the Albanezy government needs to take a far more vigilant
Speaker 3: approach to our security, and if they refuse to do so,
Speaker 3: the intelligence agencies should intervene before this government makes a
Speaker 3: fatal error and grants a permanent visa to a violent
Speaker 3: harmas supporter. Also coming up on the show tonight, spooked
Speaker 3: investors have triggered a major market crash. Over one hundred
Speaker 3: sixty billion wiped off the ASX in two days, and
Speaker 3: now there are rising fears of a US recession, which
Speaker 3: are seen global panic selling and violent social unrest is
Speaker 3: sweeping across the United Kingdom, with right wing rioters taking
Speaker 3: to the streets of immigration and an Ossie Bronze medallist
Speaker 3: shares her story on how she drew strength from her
Speaker 3: grandparents who are Holocaust survivors. All of that coming up,
Speaker 3: but first now let's bring in tonight's panel, Sky News
Speaker 3: hosts Steve Price and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both now.
Speaker 3: Steve Albanezi has been accused by many people the Coalition
Speaker 3: security experts of fueling social unrest in his government's rhetoric,
Speaker 3: their continual anti Israel rhetoric. People think it must be true,
Speaker 3: and then they protest on the streets, so surely there's
Speaker 3: no reason for surprise when finally the terror threat level
Speaker 3: has to rise.
Speaker 11: No, not at all. And look when you see Mike
Speaker 11: Burgess today say that it's not the people he knows about,
Speaker 11: but the ones he doesn't know about that worry him
Speaker 11: the most. But isn't it a delicious irony that the
Speaker 11: Prime Minister, while standing there next to the head of
Speaker 11: ASIO talking about how division is being whipped along by
Speaker 11: the issue out of the Middle East, the Prime Minister
Speaker 11: can't even go to his own office in his own
Speaker 11: electric because it's being blockaded still, as I believe, by
Speaker 11: pro Palestinian protesters. I mean, surely, if we're going to
Speaker 11: get serious about this issue, and we've now got this
Speaker 11: threat level that's been raised by one not surely, if
Speaker 11: we're going to get serious about it, one of the
Speaker 11: things we've got to start doing is stop these protests
Speaker 11: where you've got protesters marching through the streets of our
Speaker 11: capitals every weekend wearing pro hamas, badgers and kefirs and
Speaker 11: all sorts of paraphernalia. Let's stop that for a start.
Speaker 11: Let's get all the people out of the front of
Speaker 11: those offices, out of the way and get serious about it.
Speaker 11: But the problem is you've got to the alb An Easy,
Speaker 11: Tony Berg and Ed Husick, who all holds seats where
Speaker 11: they want to not upset the voters in those seats
Speaker 11: who are pro Palestine.
Speaker 2: But it's more important than politics.
Speaker 3: And the Prime Minister today in that press conference Joe
Speaker 3: he indicated that some politicians even need security at the moment.
Speaker 12: Yeah. Absolutely. I think the PM has actually been very
Speaker 12: non inflammatory and pretty reasonable in this I know he
Speaker 12: hasn't been as outspoken in support of Israel as a
Speaker 12: lot of people would like him to be, and that's
Speaker 12: a fair cop. But again, he's called out those protesters
Speaker 12: who are out front of his office and have stopped
Speaker 12: him and his workers from being able to use that
Speaker 12: electrics office.
Speaker 13: For months now.
Speaker 12: He's called out people who have used from the River
Speaker 12: to the Sea chant and claimed that you know, that
Speaker 12: was all fine and no problem. He said that's inappropriate.
Speaker 12: He said, that's basically supporting genocide. And he's appointed a
Speaker 12: commissioner to investigate anti Semitism. That was the first point
Speaker 12: of order.
Speaker 14: I know.
Speaker 12: Again he didn't do it as soon as a lot
Speaker 12: of people wanted him to, but he did it before
Speaker 12: he appointed the other commissioner for Social Cohesion or is
Speaker 12: A or whatever, and that I think cente clear signal.
Speaker 12: I think the real problem here is that terrorists don't
Speaker 12: think they're terrorists, right. Terrorists think they are doing the
Speaker 12: right thing and they are pursuing a higher cause. And
Speaker 12: I'm just happened to be listening to a series on
Speaker 12: the Suffragettes and there's a big debate among historians at
Speaker 12: the moment whether or not they should be described as terrorists.
Speaker 12: Obviously not on the same scale as Hamas or Hezbola
Speaker 12: or anything we've seen here. But the issue is that
Speaker 12: they use a fig leaf of legitimacy to justify their horrendous.
Speaker 3: Acturely, the burning of the Bras is nothing like the
Speaker 3: slaughter of sulfuggested.
Speaker 12: More than burn bras, they bombed buildings and set fire
Speaker 12: to buildings, And again there's a very live debate and
Speaker 12: a lot of people are saying these are self described terrorists.
Speaker 12: The point is that if you give a if you
Speaker 12: give legitimacy, if you give support to these grievances and
Speaker 12: say yes, it's worth you know, vandalizing you know, war memorials,
Speaker 12: that it's worth vandalizing electrots or smashing windows, that it's
Speaker 12: worth blockading people and keeping them out of their place
Speaker 12: of work for months and months and months on end,
Speaker 12: you are basically giving comfort to terrorists. You're giving comfort
Speaker 12: to the people say well, that's okay the window. Is
Speaker 12: it okay for me to bash a cop? And if
Speaker 12: it's okay for me to bash.
Speaker 11: That's exactly Joe, that's exactly what the Prime Minister hasn't done.
Speaker 12: That out people are getting left to have done.
Speaker 2: But it barely called it happen word law enforcement. Steve
Speaker 2: Christ go ahead.
Speaker 11: No, of course he hasn't. And Joe talks about how
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister's spoken a lot of words, that's all
Speaker 11: he has done. Where is the action to stop this
Speaker 11: thing happening, these things happening on the streets. Joe, I mean,
Speaker 11: it's all good in will to say, well, he said
Speaker 11: the right thing. He's done nothing nothing, nothing either.
Speaker 12: A legal gray area if you just you know, sending
Speaker 12: in the cops to just drag people off public football.
Speaker 3: They were happy during the COVID pandemic hate there are
Speaker 3: most people do think that was outrageous. But there are
Speaker 3: race hate laws and they haven't been used and they
Speaker 3: should be used. Let's move on now because in another
Speaker 3: area where the Alberanzi government is looking weak, another national
Speaker 3: security area, we learn today in the Australian that in
Speaker 3: the past thirteen months, sixty six criminals escaped being deported
Speaker 3: thanks to Direction ninety nine, and among the list of
Speaker 3: dangerous offenders were twelve people convicted of assault, seven of
Speaker 3: drug offenses, seven with domestic violence offenses, under five people
Speaker 3: with child sex offenses and less than five rape and
Speaker 3: sexual offenders.
Speaker 2: So Steve, you know, obviously.
Speaker 3: Direction ninety nine isn't in effect anymore, but shouldn't the
Speaker 3: new Immigration Minister Tony Burke review these decisions to allow
Speaker 3: these people to stay in our country because it does
Speaker 3: not make Australia safe.
Speaker 11: Well, mister Burke replaced Andrew Giles, so we would have
Speaker 11: thought that when you put a new minister in you
Speaker 11: get a different way of doing things. So Tony Burke's
Speaker 11: got a very clear challenge here. It's pretty simple as
Speaker 11: sixty six people who, when you read what they've been doing,
Speaker 11: should not be in the country. So mister Burke needs
Speaker 11: to show that he's the tough guy, not someone who's
Speaker 11: just been put in there to calm down the backbench
Speaker 11: of the Labor Party. So come on, Tony, get these
Speaker 11: sixty six and get him out of the country.
Speaker 2: I think most people would agree with you.
Speaker 12: I'm pretty sure you will.
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at the Macarati Commission. The new
Speaker 3: Minister for Indigenous Australia is now in damage control after
Speaker 3: Albanezy seemingly backed away from a Macarati commission over the weekend.
Speaker 15: Here he was.
Speaker 4: What we're proposed is Macaradam just being the idea of
Speaker 4: coming together, so.
Speaker 16: It's talking to we're.
Speaker 3: Engaging well, Malandari McCarthy is now trying to convince the
Speaker 3: public that Labor isn't going to and another election from
Speaker 3: as here she was.
Speaker 17: I can certainly say, as a new Minister for Indigenous
Speaker 17: Australians that that commitment we made, and the Prime Minister
Speaker 17: repeated that in his speech at the forum in Gama,
Speaker 17: is one that I will certainly pursue.
Speaker 3: Joe, do you think the Prime Minister's just lost interest
Speaker 3: in this area after the voicemail?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 12: In fact, I think what he's done is realize that
Speaker 12: these kind of sort of bold, kind of slightly woolly,
Speaker 12: because again we've seen people all taking different meanings from
Speaker 12: what the Prime Minister actually did or didn't say, and
Speaker 12: deciding to project their own versions of it onto it.
Speaker 12: He's realized that this stuff is just not going to
Speaker 12: get anywhere. That it has to be practical, it has
Speaker 12: to be grassroots, it has to be economic support. That's
Speaker 12: why what he's done is massive packages in education and
Speaker 12: housing in the NT that were announced recently and again
Speaker 12: his announcement in Gaza Gaza, Gama that this is going
Speaker 12: to require that The biggest thing you can do to
Speaker 12: help indigenous communities is economic development. Big projects up, get
Speaker 12: them jobs. Like everybody else wants jobs, why shouldn't they
Speaker 12: as well, Why shouldn't they get them and get them
Speaker 12: into society, contributing economically and benefiting economically. And that's what
Speaker 12: he's going.
Speaker 2: To do, Steve.
Speaker 11: I love you like a brother, Joe. But on election
Speaker 11: night the Prime Minister stood up there and said, I
Speaker 11: will introduce I support the Uluru Statement from the heart,
Speaker 11: and I will implement it in full. There was no
Speaker 11: gray area, he said in full. So what he's done
Speaker 11: now is he's lost the voice referendum and he's just
Speaker 11: worked out this is all too hard, and so what
Speaker 11: he's doing is sitting back and let the state governments
Speaker 11: do the heavy lifting. Victoria's already well down a road
Speaker 11: on treaty and Macarata, all the other state governments, the
Speaker 11: labor state governments are going to follow suit. So Albo
Speaker 11: as Shari's just quite rightly pointed out, thought, oh well,
Speaker 11: I've got too much other stuff to do. I'll leave
Speaker 11: it up to someone else.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of but it reminds me of Kevin
Speaker 3: right when he couldn't get a global deal on climate change,
Speaker 3: and he just he just threw it away, lost interest
Speaker 3: in it, didn't want.
Speaker 12: To And you get with the PM knows that. I
Speaker 12: can absolutely assure the PM certainly does not believe that
Speaker 12: he has broken a promise. He does not believe he
Speaker 12: committed specifically to those things. And I know very well
Speaker 12: that the speech on election night that Steve's talking about,
Speaker 12: it's still ringing in my ears. He believes he.
Speaker 2: Became in such a shock to everybody.
Speaker 12: It wasn't spot to everybody, but clearly he has been
Speaker 12: He has had his fingers burned by the voice. He
Speaker 12: realized it's practical action that's going to make difference. But
Speaker 12: also talking about all this kind of symbolic or historical
Speaker 12: stuff in the middle of a cost of living crisis
Speaker 12: is political suicide. And the PM is no fool. He
Speaker 12: knows that all he needs to focus on right now
Speaker 12: is cost of living, cost of living, and then if
Speaker 12: there's time cost of living.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Joe hild Around Steve Price. Great to
Speaker 3: see you both.
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, see you next Monday.
Speaker 3: Now we've been talking about the major story today that
Speaker 3: Australia's terror threat level is now it probable.
Speaker 2: So let's for more analysis.
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson.
Speaker 2: James, great to see you. Look, do you agree that
Speaker 2: this should have happened months ago?
Speaker 18: Now?
Speaker 5: Show the opposition strongly supports ASIO and the Director General
Speaker 5: Mike Burgess, and I'm sure they went through a very
Speaker 5: careful and deliberate process, going through all their intelligence feeds
Speaker 5: and their structured analytical process to reach this conclusion. But
Speaker 5: I also think it's been self evident in our community
Speaker 5: for months now, at least since the seventh October, that
Speaker 5: we have faced increased level of the threat of terrorism.
Speaker 5: I mean, all you have to do is notice that
Speaker 5: there've been half a dozen teenagers in Western Sydney charged
Speaker 5: with offenses that police allege are motivated by terrorism, and
Speaker 5: courts will ultimately decide the validity of those charges. But
Speaker 5: that's a pretty strong data point that suggests we're living
Speaker 5: in an elevated threat environment. But you can also look
Speaker 5: at the massive increases in anti Semitism, or frankly, the
Speaker 5: people who've been publicly displaying the symbols of terrorist organizations
Speaker 5: on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney and other cities
Speaker 5: proudly in contravention of federal Hate City Will legislation.
Speaker 2: And yet the laws are just not being used.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister spoke today about social cohesion and how
Speaker 3: we need to nourish it his words, would you say
Speaker 3: he's nourishing social cohesion by bringing into Australia people from
Speaker 3: a war zone who've been indoctrinated to hate Westerners without
Speaker 3: adequate security checks.
Speaker 5: I think the Prime Minister has failed to uphold social
Speaker 5: cohesion for the last nine months. At every opportunity. He's
Speaker 5: failed to adequately condemn the instances of anti Semitism that
Speaker 5: we've seen in our community. He's failed to ensure that
Speaker 5: the law is enforced to stop people doing it, and
Speaker 5: he's playing with fire with issues like this when he
Speaker 5: brings people into our country from an area which is
Speaker 5: a war zone, which is controlled by a terrorist organization
Speaker 5: without adequate vetting or checks. We don't understand how it
Speaker 5: is possible in twenty four hours on average, but in
Speaker 5: some instans just one hour to do an identity check,
Speaker 5: let alone a security check on someone and to now
Speaker 5: contemplate extending their stay in Australia on a more permanent
Speaker 5: basis is in total contravention to the original visas they're granted,
Speaker 5: which are temporary visitor visas, and so really it is
Speaker 5: up to the new Immigration Minister, Tony Burke to demonstrate
Speaker 5: why this will not in any way threaten Australia's safety,
Speaker 5: security or social cohesion.
Speaker 3: As you just said there, Tony Burke just yesterday in
Speaker 3: an interview with Andrew Colonel said he was.
Speaker 2: Looking at other visa types.
Speaker 3: This is despite the fact that the Prime Minister and
Speaker 3: the Foreign Minister said.
Speaker 2: These were just going to be visitor visas.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's reason for Tony Burke to be
Speaker 3: extremely cautious or are you concerned that he's acting out
Speaker 3: of purely political reasons that might benefit him in his
Speaker 3: own electric.
Speaker 5: Well, based on Tony Burke's performance last time he was
Speaker 5: Immigration Minister in the Radguillard era, it's hard to have
Speaker 5: any confidence in the way in which you will conduct
Speaker 5: himself in this portfolio, even if he didn't have very
Speaker 5: severe local political pressures, which is clearly responding to the
Speaker 5: Labor Party lives in fear that will what will happen
Speaker 5: to them at the next election is what happened to
Speaker 5: their UK Labor Party counterparts, which despite a landslide election
Speaker 5: victory for Keir Starmer, saw four of their seats fall,
Speaker 5: including two front benches to pro Gaza independence backed by
Speaker 5: independent Muslim community groups. There are groups like that organizing
Speaker 5: in Australia. The Government's under huge pressure on that front.
Speaker 5: I think it explains a lot of their weakness in
Speaker 5: confronting anti Semitism since the election, and I worry that
Speaker 5: that is one of the main reasons why Tony Burke
Speaker 5: was appointed to this portfolio. It's certainly not because he's
Speaker 5: got a great record in it, given that in just
Speaker 5: eighty days as minister he allowed eighty three votes to arrive,
Speaker 5: six hundred and thirty four people and a record of
Speaker 5: nine hundred and ninety two children in detention, that's nothing
Speaker 5: to be proud of.
Speaker 3: James Patterson, you were off last week, but while you
Speaker 3: were off, both the Prime Minister and Tony Burke attacked
Speaker 3: you personally when it came to this issue of Board
Speaker 3: of Security. They were quite personal remarks.
Speaker 2: What did you make of them?
Speaker 5: That don't worry to me too much, Shari. I'm not
Speaker 5: surprised that I'm a target for the government, having just
Speaker 5: helped remove their first time Affairs minister and their first
Speaker 5: immigration minister. I'd be pretty cranky too, and I'd be
Speaker 5: pretty sensitive about my record as Tony burkis if it
Speaker 5: was such a bad one. He's attacked me for not
Speaker 5: having been a minister. But I would rather have not
Speaker 5: been a minister than been a minister with such a
Speaker 5: shabby record like he has.
Speaker 3: Just before you go, the former ADF Chief Mark Binskin's
Speaker 3: report into the death of Australian aid workers by Israel
Speaker 3: reinforced the findings of Israel's own investigation. It found that
Speaker 3: the armed locally contracted security on the World Kitchen Convoy
Speaker 3: gave the appearance of the presence of hamas.
Speaker 2: It actually said that the Australian.
Speaker 3: Defense FORSS could not have imposed equivalent reprimands as quickly
Speaker 3: as the IDF was able to. Now, the Israeli government
Speaker 3: hasn't criticized the report itself, but they have criticized the
Speaker 3: Australian government statement about the report, Israel says it included
Speaker 3: misrepresentations and emitted crucial details. James, what's your view on
Speaker 3: how this has been handled by the Albanesi government.
Speaker 5: Well, Zomi Frankom's death is a tragedy. Everyone, including the
Speaker 5: IDF for Greece, that it should not have happened, and
Speaker 5: they took steps very swiftly to investigate it and to
Speaker 5: take action to have punishment for the people involved in
Speaker 5: violating the IDF's processes and procedures which led to these deaths.
Speaker 5: Now to appoint our own person to independently investigate it
Speaker 5: and to angrily publicly demand that they have unimpeded access
Speaker 5: would have to be done by an Australian Prime minister
Speaker 5: with very good grounds, and it turns out in Mark
Speaker 5: Binskin's report that those grounds weren't there. He has essentially
Speaker 5: upheld the IDF's version of what happened. He had no
Speaker 5: issues with access, And yet the Prime Minister and the
Speaker 5: Foreign Minister have treated an ally and a friend Israel
Speaker 5: very shabbily throughout this process. I think where all left
Speaker 5: to draw just only one conclusion from that, which is
Speaker 5: that the Albanesi government's approach to these issues continues to
Speaker 5: be driven by mystic politics. That's exactly why we should
Speaker 5: be worried about someone like Tony Beck being a Home
Speaker 5: Affairs and Immigration minister, why we should be concerned about
Speaker 5: national security on this government's watch because they put domestic
Speaker 5: politics ahead of the national interest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, right, James Patterson, really appreciate your thoughts tonight.
Speaker 3: Now coming up after the break, the latest news from overseas,
Speaker 3: violent rioters running a mark in the UK. It is
Speaker 3: utter chaos. So why is it happening? We're going to
Speaker 3: discuss this next Welcome Back Well. Riots rocked northern England
Speaker 3: over the weekend, with right wing anti immigration protesters vandalizing
Speaker 3: and setting fire to two hotels. This violent social unrest
Speaker 3: follows the tragic stabbing of three young girls last week.
Speaker 3: New Prime Minister Keir Starmer has condemned the violence.
Speaker 19: I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend.
Speaker 19: In no doubt, those that have participated in this violence
Speaker 19: will face the full force of the law. I guarantee
Speaker 19: you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly
Speaker 19: or those whipping up this action. Online.
Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Koshergada joins me. Now, Kosher, we didn't
Speaker 3: hear comments like that when it came to violent anti
Speaker 3: Israel protests. And also these young girls who were tragically killed,
Speaker 3: they're now virtually being forgotten.
Speaker 20: Indeed, Charion. This is one of the first tests of
Speaker 20: the new Prime minister, if you will, on a global stage,
Speaker 20: and many people have been criticizing what was missing from
Speaker 20: the speech along the lines of what you just outlined. Look,
Speaker 20: I think you know what triggered the extreme chaos, as
Speaker 20: you said in the UK, is that heinous, horrific event
Speaker 20: that took place in Southport and that lit the fuse.
Speaker 20: But I think what this is setting up is the
Speaker 20: question of what has set the fuse in the UK
Speaker 20: and much of the western world, and you allude to
Speaker 20: that at the top. Where people are pointing to a
Speaker 20: clear inference is a reaction of the public to mass immigration,
Speaker 20: where it really is a grand experiment that has happened
Speaker 20: in modern history and just a handful of countries it's
Speaker 20: never happened before. One school of thought has been that's
Speaker 20: great and it riches these countries and.
Speaker 15: Diversities are strength.
Speaker 20: Another school of thought is that it really sets these
Speaker 20: places up for a short fuze like this just because
Speaker 20: it's human nature. You've got different people with different backgrounds
Speaker 20: and culture and values living together, and then when something
Speaker 20: like this happens, in some ways it's not surprising, even
Speaker 20: though as horrific as these images are, it's not surprising
Speaker 20: to see that fuze being lit. That's what's happening here.
Speaker 20: And I think the Prime Minister's speech and other people
Speaker 20: who rush to just call that one side in this
Speaker 20: context so far right do so at their peril because,
Speaker 20: as you say, they're not mentioning what we see all
Speaker 20: the time with other protesters, whether it's Palestinians or BLM
Speaker 20: rioters and other people that are doing that too. It's
Speaker 20: not just one group of people that's with this unease
Speaker 20: right now in the in the West and particularly in
Speaker 20: the UK.
Speaker 3: We're going to keep covering this riot the UK Rights
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 2: We're going to have Brendan O'Neil on the show as well. Now, Kosher,
Speaker 2: let's turn to the US.
Speaker 3: Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has told what has.
Speaker 2: Surely got to be a Joe have a look.
Speaker 16: Top of his game, Such a consequential president of the
Speaker 16: United States, a Mount Rushmore kind of president of the
Speaker 16: United States.
Speaker 15: Want to know what comes next?
Speaker 2: That he belongs up there on Mount Rushmore. Lincoln and
Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
Speaker 16: But you got Teddy Roosevelt up there, and he's wonderful.
Speaker 16: I don't say take him down, but you can add Biden.
Speaker 3: I mean, Nancy Pelosi helped bring Joe Biden down. Now
Speaker 3: she says he was at the top of his game.
Speaker 3: Should be chipped into rock alongside George Washington, Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt to Roosevelt when he's never been
Speaker 3: more confused kosher. Maybe she's lost her marvels as well.
Speaker 20: I would say that Nancy Pelosi is a master politician
Speaker 20: and a master tactician, and if she's saying anything even now,
Speaker 20: she has purpose behind it. I think what we're seeing
Speaker 20: is sort of the sandwich where she was nice about
Speaker 20: him and was backing him in the beginning. After that
Speaker 20: disastrous debate, she was widely reported as being one of
Speaker 20: the key players in the mutiny that the Democrats ran
Speaker 20: against their own nominee and the switcheroo that they pulled off.
Speaker 20: And now she's closing the sandwich with some nice words
Speaker 20: and very effusive, ephemistic words out there about him. I
Speaker 20: don't think it'll ever happen, but she I think it's
Speaker 20: meant to say, you know what, we did, what we
Speaker 20: had to do. We replaced him, that the polls are
Speaker 20: tightening as a result of that, and now we can
Speaker 20: give him something really nice, whether it's Mount Rushmore or
Speaker 20: something something less.
Speaker 15: That's all part of I think the strategy.
Speaker 3: I mean, while Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, according to
Speaker 3: reports neck and neck, this is the lightest CBS you've
Speaker 3: got poll, the Vice president is now according to the poll,
Speaker 3: she's look it's one pole, but she's apparently got a
Speaker 3: one point laid nationally. This is rasing the five point
Speaker 3: laid that Trump had over Biden.
Speaker 2: Look, the polls got.
Speaker 3: It wrong before, plenty of times before, but it does
Speaker 3: appear that Kamala Harris is catching up and making ground
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And we're only a few months out now from the election.
Speaker 15: I think so.
Speaker 20: As you mentioned, polls have not covered themselves in glory
Speaker 20: in recent years around the world. But I think what
Speaker 20: we are seeing is America is a very divided country.
Speaker 20: The last several elections have been won and lost on
Speaker 20: razor thin margins, and we're seeing a restoration back to
Speaker 20: that dynamic. And basically what was happening when Biden was
Speaker 20: in the ticket after that debate is there was a
Speaker 20: big chunk of Democrats that just couldn't do it because
Speaker 20: it was so disastrous as cognitive decline. Those people are
Speaker 20: coming back home and that's sort of evening out the
Speaker 20: playing field between the.
Speaker 15: Two of them.
Speaker 20: Regardless of the flaws or the peculiarities of the particular
Speaker 20: candidacy and Kamla, this is going to continue to be
Speaker 20: a zor Razor thin election. And it's really interesting because
Speaker 20: it's never happened in modern times where they've done this
Speaker 20: and basically installed somebody who's never had a single vote
Speaker 20: from the Democrat voters and the Democrat base. And yet
Speaker 20: here she is very very close to possibly taking the
Speaker 20: top job.
Speaker 3: And he's untested in debates and still appears to be
Speaker 3: untested in media interviews. But you'd have to think if
Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't win in November, I mean, this would
Speaker 3: have to be the last time he would run, because
Speaker 3: this is his third time standing for president. I mean,
Speaker 3: he has enormous support in the Republican Party, but surely
Speaker 3: if he loses two elections in a row, he couldn't
Speaker 3: go again.
Speaker 2: And his age as well.
Speaker 20: Yeah, it would appear. So I mean with Trump, you
Speaker 20: never know, but yes, he's almost eighty years old at
Speaker 20: that point. He would be eighty four. I think that's
Speaker 20: a fair conclusion, and many would say his picking of
Speaker 20: jd Vance maybe is sort of a nod to that
Speaker 20: that whether he wins or loses, he sort of wanted
Speaker 20: to pave the way for somebody that can carry the
Speaker 20: mantle of trump Ism, populism and all the policies that
Speaker 20: he's stood for, in somebody who's quite young and has
Speaker 20: a long future ahead of him in Republican politics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, only thirty nine years old. I think turns
Speaker 3: forty perhaps this month, Jodi Vouts. All right, Koschhagada, thank
Speaker 3: you very much for your time. Now coming up a
Speaker 3: blood bath on the Australian Stock Exchange, with the market
Speaker 3: experiencing its.
Speaker 2: Worst two day session in two years.
Speaker 3: We'll also look at tomorrow's rate decision and what it
Speaker 3: means for the Prime Minister's election timing.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
Speaker 3: Well, Still lots more to get through tonight. Let's jump
Speaker 3: into it with my political panel, former Scott Morrison Press
Speaker 3: secretary Andrew Carswell and former Gillard government advisor Darren Bynett.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
Speaker 3: Look, let's start with the fears of a US recession
Speaker 3: and this has sparked a massive sell of globally, with
Speaker 3: the Australian share market as well. Many reasons for this,
Speaker 3: but the Australian share market plunging more than three percent,
Speaker 3: extending its Friday loss to mark the worst two day
Speaker 3: performance in years. Investors are rattled. It's what wiped more
Speaker 3: than one hundred billion dollars off the ASX. This is
Speaker 3: leading to the ASEX losing two hundred and thirty one points,
Speaker 3: or two point nine percent just after midday today, Drew,
Speaker 3: can you break us through some of the reasons that
Speaker 3: market analysts are saying have caused this and where do
Speaker 3: you think this is now headed?
Speaker 18: Certainly well, I think this is a there's a growing
Speaker 18: fear now that the US economy will plunge into recession,
Speaker 18: the world's largest economy. And there is the growing realization
Speaker 18: too that the difficult challenge of trying to tame high
Speaker 18: inflation is going to result in a hard landing in
Speaker 18: the economy and not a soft landing as predicted. Even
Speaker 18: as late as last week, economists were suggesting that the
Speaker 18: US had managed to thread the needle on this inflation equation,
Speaker 18: that that managed to bring down inflation without doing any
Speaker 18: damage to the economy. But it's quickly realizing that that
Speaker 18: is not the case. And the latest startup we've seen
Speaker 18: is unemployment picking up dramatically higher in the US. The
Speaker 18: manufacturing sector is under significant pressure so and it is
Speaker 18: in fact contracting in the last quarter. So what we're
Speaker 18: seeing is markets pricing in that risk. They're also pricing
Speaker 18: in the risk of a potential bust in what in
Speaker 18: the in the in the bubble that is currently around
Speaker 18: AI tech stocks, there's an increasing understanding that AI tech
Speaker 18: stocks are way over valued and they will need some
Speaker 18: kind of retraction there as some kind of fallback from
Speaker 18: the positions that they are currently in. So you've got
Speaker 18: those two dual things competing against each other, and the
Speaker 18: market is trying to realize what is going to be
Speaker 18: the economy once inflation comes down to the level it
Speaker 18: needs to be, will the economy be damaged?
Speaker 3: I think this has the risk of getting even worse.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of something that no one really predicted.
Speaker 3: And even about a week and a half ago when
Speaker 3: we started to see wall streets suffer, you know, people
Speaker 3: said it's just kind of a correction.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be that bad. Now it is
Speaker 2: looking like there could be a recession. There's panic selling.
Speaker 3: Australia is reacting and it is looking kind of like
Speaker 3: it could have.
Speaker 13: Certainly futures markets degenerate, and that's always an indication that
Speaker 13: there is nervousness among investors. And what Andrew says is
Speaker 13: absolutely correct. There's a risk of the US falling into recession.
Speaker 13: But equally, there have been some record highs in the
Speaker 13: AX and other sort of indicators over recent times. Because
Speaker 13: of that, we're not at the stage of absolute panic selling.
Speaker 13: But the big thing for Australia is interest rates, and
Speaker 13: I think a lot of the pricing in the market
Speaker 13: is trying to guess who's going to cut their rates first,
Speaker 13: if at all, And there's a speculation in Japan, in
Speaker 13: the US, in Australia, and a lot of the international
Speaker 13: money washing through those markets. They're just trying to make
Speaker 13: themselves a bit of cash on who's going to cut
Speaker 13: rates and try and make themselves some money, And so
Speaker 13: you've got to always look at that. That's the overriding
Speaker 13: factor here, is that volatility in interest rates and all
Speaker 13: of those factors combine lead to nervousness.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, internationally, you know countries are, as you say,
Speaker 3: looking at cutting rates. But Andrew and Australia, we're seeing
Speaker 3: a couple of economists say that rates aren't going to
Speaker 3: fall until the first quarter of next year at the
Speaker 3: earliest December this year. We're expecting the IRBA to hold
Speaker 3: rates steady at four point three five percent tomorrow after
Speaker 3: their two day board meeting. But Australia does have a
Speaker 3: different environment. I mean we're still at the question of
Speaker 3: are the rate's going to remain steady or rise, whereas
Speaker 3: other countries are starting to think about cutting them.
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, Shara. There's no question that the RBA
Speaker 18: will be sitting on their hands tomorrow and looking at
Speaker 18: what's going on in global markets as well sitting in
Speaker 18: the back of their minds. But if there is a
Speaker 18: contemplation either way in terms of movement, that contemplation is
Speaker 18: still directed towards an increase rather than a decrease. We're
Speaker 18: in a different set of circumstances to the US. The
Speaker 18: US could make a move downward on interest rates as
Speaker 18: early as September, particularly if this market volatility continues, But
Speaker 18: we don't have that argument here that there is based
Speaker 18: on the current inflation data. Based on our strong employment figures,
Speaker 18: there is no reason to be considering a cut in
Speaker 18: interest rates. It all depends on where where employment goes
Speaker 18: in this country, and it all depends on whether they
Speaker 18: can bring inflation back within that band before Christmas, as
Speaker 18: has been suggested in the budget.
Speaker 2: How does this impact on politics, Darren?
Speaker 3: If we're not going to be looking at a rate
Speaker 3: cut until February next year, then there's no way. Surely
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister is going to head to the polls
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 13: No way at all, and he's going to try and
Speaker 13: wait for rate cut. And if he waits for a
Speaker 13: rate cut, hopefully there'll be a second rate cut. So
Speaker 13: I think that's absolutely true. The chances of an election
Speaker 13: this year are fairly minimal. Until two weeks ago there
Speaker 13: was a risk, a substantial risk that there might be
Speaker 13: one more rise before there'd be a fall. And if
Speaker 13: that was still a risk, it's less than it was
Speaker 13: of two or three weeks ago. The last round of
Speaker 13: data was within the band for the RBA to consider.
Speaker 13: So I think if the next movement is up, its
Speaker 13: enormous political trouble. But if the next movement is down,
Speaker 13: it'll be something the government waits for and will take
Speaker 13: that very much into account about when the election will
Speaker 13: be called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the impatient data last week was in line with
Speaker 3: the RBA's expectations.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean we're not going to see an increase.
Speaker 13: It doesn't mean the cost of living pressures of diminished.
Speaker 13: Completely agree with that that people are doing it tough
Speaker 13: and they will vote according to how they feel at
Speaker 13: that time exactly now.
Speaker 3: Former Australian boxer Anthony Mundine front at court back in
Speaker 3: June and he pled not guilty to a charge of
Speaker 3: not complying with a COVID direction in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: in the height of the pandemic, he allegedly failed to
Speaker 3: scan a QR code to check into a bunning stop.
Speaker 2: He was also accused of not wearing a face mask.
Speaker 3: He said he didn't have to wear one. Now, this
Speaker 3: is a fascinating story because thousands of COVID penalties have
Speaker 3: been counseled since the new South Wales Supreme Court decision
Speaker 3: was handed down last year. But Mundine's barrister claims that
Speaker 3: because he commenced legal action two months before the ruling,
Speaker 3: the matter was not picked up by the fine administrator.
Speaker 3: Now his due back in court tomorrow, and I spoke
Speaker 3: with him a little earlier this afternoon.
Speaker 1: Here he was, I'm doing to got called tomorrow to
Speaker 1: face his offense, and good willing it'll be have you
Speaker 1: all dealt with tomorrow. You know, they can have some
Speaker 1: common sense and you know, treatd for what it is,
Speaker 1: and that's pretty for what it is, and I get
Speaker 1: the right decision and can get off, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So a lot of people other people have
Speaker 1: got off and they've got their fines back and things
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'm hoping that justice does prevail tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Pretty unbelievable that I'm still going through it and you
Speaker 1: being going through it, and you know, good willing, it'll
Speaker 1: be squashed tomorrow, and I'm hoping for a good outcome.
Speaker 3: Andrew Carswell, I mean, this is unbelievable that people are
Speaker 3: still being prosecuted for not scanning a QR code when
Speaker 3: the whole QR system didn't work in the.
Speaker 18: End, I had conveniently forgot about this whole system of
Speaker 18: scanning in QR code. So it's a certainly a throwback,
Speaker 18: isn't it. Look I think sense will prevail here. I'm
Speaker 18: glad Anthony is making a stand on this issue. Some
Speaker 18: of the some of the rules that the state government's
Speaker 18: introduced in and around COVID. We're far above beyond the
Speaker 18: sense and they went well above what they should have done,
Speaker 18: so I think sense will prevail here. Is just one
Speaker 18: of those quirks of the legal system that we're hopefully
Speaker 18: just knocked on the head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we'll see how it goes tomorrow. Bring
Speaker 3: you an update tomorrow night. Andrew Carswell, Darren Barnett, great
Speaker 3: to see you both. Now still to come in Australian
Speaker 3: Olympian shares how her family's history surviving the Holocaust helped
Speaker 3: her win her incredible story Up next, welcome back.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 3: Before we wrap up the show, I just want to
Speaker 3: have a look at some of their inspiring moments of
Speaker 3: human spirit that we've seen at the Olympics. Now, there
Speaker 3: has been a lot of woke nonsense surrounding the Games,
Speaker 3: but there are plenty of other heartwarming stories from the
Speaker 3: incredible athletes who've performed. There's Simone Biles, who came back
Speaker 3: from mental health struggles to win three gold medals, cementing
Speaker 3: her place in history as one of the world's best gymnasts.
Speaker 3: At first, there was disappointment when our Golden Girl Jess
Speaker 3: Fox was knocked out of the kayak cross event, before
Speaker 3: she realized that her younger sister know Me not only
Speaker 3: made it through but came first. And keep in mind,
Speaker 3: Jess Fox has had a fantastic run of her own.
Speaker 3: She won two gold medals at these games. And then
Speaker 3: here's another one, Ozzie Jemima Montag. She gave a shout
Speaker 3: out to a Holocaust survivor grandmother after winning bronze in racewalking.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 8: But the fact that this race was in Paris, there's
Speaker 8: also a significant part of your family's history that runs
Speaker 8: through this city as well. How important was that for
Speaker 8: you when you were running in this race?
Speaker 15: Yeah, really important.
Speaker 14: So my grandparents were Holocaust survivors and Paris was where
Speaker 14: they sought refuge after Auschwitz. It's been really interesting getting
Speaker 14: to know more of that story since my nana passed
Speaker 14: a few years ago, and I knew when this Olympics
Speaker 14: were named in Paris that I'd be able to draw
Speaker 14: on extra strength from her knowing that this is where
Speaker 14: she came.
Speaker 8: Can you tell us about the bracelet?
Speaker 15: Let's on your risk So.
Speaker 14: This was Nana's necklace, and actually, before she died, my
Speaker 14: Auntie had it made into three identical bracelets for my
Speaker 14: sisters and I. It never comes off, and it's just
Speaker 14: a really tangible reminder of her legacy, her strength, her resilience,
Speaker 14: her courage.
Speaker 15: And it reminds me also that when.
Speaker 14: Races get to that sticky point where you're thinking of
Speaker 14: giving up or questioning your grittiness, your desire, it reminds.
Speaker 15: Me that all of that is in my DNA.
Speaker 14: And it also reminds me that I've got to make
Speaker 14: the most of this opportunity in life. You know, hers
Speaker 14: was nearly taken away so many times, and I'm so
Speaker 14: grateful to.
Speaker 15: Be able to give this a shot. So were you
Speaker 15: thinking of her?
Speaker 8: So you hit that fifteen kilometer mark, you clearly exhausted,
Speaker 8: but you need to dig deep and find something extra
Speaker 8: Or was her story going through your mind at that time?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 14: So I sent my performance team and my family a
Speaker 14: list of affirmations that they could yell out to me,
Speaker 14: and one of them is just Judy is with you.
Speaker 14: And I like tear up when I think of that,
Speaker 14: and it's like, yeah, she's no longer alive, but the
Speaker 14: bracelets on and I've got her genetics, and she's with
Speaker 14: me looking down, so drawing on her strength definitely when
Speaker 14: I've lost all of my own.
Speaker 8: How significance of an influence has she been in your life?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 14: To be honest, I think once I was born she'd
Speaker 14: really entered her decline and most Holocaust survivors would have
Speaker 14: had significant amounts of PTSD and depression. And according to
Speaker 14: my dad and my auntie, I never met the.
Speaker 15: True Judith Montag.
Speaker 14: So it's I'm almost getting to know her since her passing,
Speaker 14: trying to piece together her survival story and thinking ahead
Speaker 14: to maybe turning it into a book one day. And
Speaker 14: it's actually really heartwarming getting to know her through these
Speaker 14: love letters and these photographs and these recordings of her story.
Speaker 3: And a big thanks to Matt Cunningham for that interview
Speaker 3: from Paris.
Speaker 2: Isn't that a beautiful story?
Speaker 3: And how her family are shouting out messages of inspiration
Speaker 3: and affirmation as she's racing, just incredible. Well that's all
Speaker 3: we have time for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
Speaker 3: We've got just Center Price on the show, so make
Speaker 3: sure you tune in.
Speaker 2: But right now Here's Paul Murray in the man Cave.