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Speaker 2: Photo record. I'm done trying to make y'all comfortable. Yes, Rack.

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Speaker 1: I would get like a bunch of oranges or a

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Speaker 1: like five days because what it would do, that weed,

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Speaker 1: That was like my thing. I kind of became known.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy because I was like branding cannabis,

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Speaker 1: the brick ammonia smelling pot, so my bud kind of

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Speaker 1: So I would actually get weed sent from like the

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Speaker 1: They sold it all, you know, because most of the

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Speaker 3: What was the place in California, It's before they become

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Speaker 3: legalized with the mary want or ive there that they

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Speaker 3: had like some serious underground.

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Speaker 2: I was growing there.

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Speaker 1: It was no doubt that's why. Yeah, that's humble.

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Speaker 2: That's where people got missing.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like northern northern cal It's like way

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, big country, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: You know? They had to show uh, Murder Mountain on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's the one I'm thinking about. You got me,

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Speaker 3: that's thank you, thank you. I reckon they'd be still fucking.

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Speaker 2: Barrels of cash up there, stash somewhere people wouldn't have.

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Speaker 1: And then they just had this other show on Hulu

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Speaker 1: called Sasquatch. What it was about northern California. I mean

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Speaker 1: They keep having these uh you know docu series that

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Speaker 1: and then the Sasquatches like this weird Sasquatch. They said,

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Speaker 1: correcting that because summer I'm going out there in July.

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Speaker 1: filming my Emerald Triangle, Oh wow documentary.

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Speaker 3: I've got a good, good buddy that's just come back

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Speaker 3: to Australia. I won't say his name, but I know

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Speaker 3: if you're familiar with Cypress Hill, they're in business with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love, I love Cypress I love Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's be real from Cypress Real.

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Speaker 3: He's in business with my Boddy, who's just come back now,

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Speaker 3: and they've got one of the biggest farms or production

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Speaker 2: Green Elite God, that's what they call it.

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Speaker 1: Doctor green thromm.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the weird stuff. Hey, look,

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Speaker 1: Whatever, but uh, you know, I didn't never thought I

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Speaker 1: Real's brand, they sent me like this big hookah. You know.

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Speaker 1: So look, they send me one of those. And then

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Speaker 3: I was on opioids and somebody said to me, look,

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Speaker 3: They're going to fuck your life. You get on this.

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Speaker 3: And this is a CBD product back then still wasn't

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Speaker 1: Though it's been spread and it's been spreading. Actually, I'm

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Speaker 3: Are you allowed to grow there though? Because your pharmaceutically approved?

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Speaker 3: Can you grow your own?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, yeah, they called medical marijuana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well so we're still gonna pay the governors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're making a killing.

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Speaker 3: They're making a killing on us, like it really is.

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Speaker 3: It's going to change, but and the laws still are.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of well, I was growing, I was growing fit.

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Speaker 1: I was legally growing fifty four plants. I was a caretaker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I took that, and that's how you know,

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Speaker 1: But it was always limited how much I could get.

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Speaker 1: It would always be real good bud. But you know,

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Speaker 1: But then I met some people in Kentucky. And what

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Speaker 4: For the record, you ain't trying to grow any stuff

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