1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: With a with Kate Richie podcast Very Special Man pulls 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: up a seat in our studio, the premier of New 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: South Wales. Chris Mean's welcome body. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys appreciate lots. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Of celebration this morning. Jessica Fox gold, a couple of 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: silvers in the pool also but fits. We've been throwing 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: it around and Kate you're in agreeance as well, and 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: this could be one for the state, possibly a statue 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: of jess Fox to celebrate her achievements. 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: We were saying numerous ones, Chris, maybe three or four 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: around the penrith Ay, would you consider doing that? 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: I think we should start with one. 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 4: I mean, that is an amazing idea and certainly certainly 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 4: well overdue. 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 2: Three gold medals. That's incredible. And the family's amazing too. 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 4: I was reading about his sister being a world champion 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 4: and her parents. 18 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: Well, he's incredible. 19 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 5: The difficult thing with Jesse is I mean, when you 20 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 5: decide on the statue, is it just her standing there smiling? 21 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 5: What we know about Jesse, she just gives us some 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 5: myriad of her mind. Doesn't know she's in the air, 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 5: she's doing her things, she's smiling, she's cheering, she's high fiving. 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 5: Maybe you need before. 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: And one in it. 26 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: It would look a bit in a canoe, you know, 27 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: without any water around it. Like I've never seen a 28 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: statue of just to someone in a canoe. A bit 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: of a danger to maybe her on the gold medal Dais, Hey, 30 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: she's going. 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: For a third gold medal. Chris, And I don't know 32 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: if you remember this, but you were going to give 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: New South as a public holiday if the Matilda's won 34 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: the World Cup and now they're out, okay of the Olympics. 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: If Jess Fox wins her third gold medal, could we 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: snag maybe maybe a public holiday? 37 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 4: Mate, I haven't I haven't watched the Olympics, but I 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 4: was going to give a public holiday off. 39 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Kyle Chalmers comes home with the God so I don't 40 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: know how to do this. 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: Morning silver, So maybe just an early mark. 42 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, guys. 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: Actually just on the sporting front there you're a you're 44 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: a Bulldogs fan? Yeah, very well at the moment. 45 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. 46 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 4: Well look, since I've been premier, I've predicted they're winning 47 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 4: the premiership every year. But this year I actually think 48 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: they've got a shot. They're going to make four and 49 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: they just knocked over the broncos. 50 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: They're looking great. 51 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: Yeah you've called it, well, yeah, I've caught it every year, 52 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: but of course yeah this is the year. 53 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah you didn't. 54 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: You didn't catch the metro in this morning. 55 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: Did it possible to do that? 56 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: When is it opening up? 57 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: Crease? Because it is? It is really really exciting, and 58 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: you know I walk past Berengaroo every day. Once that's 59 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: all connected up, it's going to be unbelievable when that's 60 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: up and running. 61 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and look we've got to we've admitted a mistake. 62 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 4: We kind of screwed up last week. We said that 63 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 4: it would be open this coming Saturday. There's a whole 64 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: bunch of safety that has to be safety procedures that 65 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: have to be ticked off by this regulator, and unfortunately 66 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: we're not going to meet that timetable. So a bit 67 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: of a lesson for us, you know, not to get 68 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: everybody super excited about an opening date and then not 69 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 4: meet it. But unfortunately it won't be this Saturday. It'll 70 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: be weeks, not months. But we want to make sure 71 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: that it's safe for people to travel on. 72 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: Chris, I want to say thank you for your leadership 73 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: in you were the first leader to come into the 74 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: studio to support thirty six months and put you backing 75 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: into changing the age of teens joining social media from 76 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: thirteen to sixteen. That's the crucial time is the experts 77 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: have given us that advice and now to see you 78 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: and malanowskis supporting each other, uniting together in the summit, 79 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: it's fantastic to throw your support because it is a 80 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: life changing movement. 81 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 82 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: And you've been leading this for a very long time, 83 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 4: trying to raise community awareness about how vulnerable people young 84 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 4: people in particular are during that sort of fourteen to 85 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: sixteen age period. I mean it's a difficult age anyway, 86 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: and to have access to look. My view is that 87 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: social media at best is a giant time suck and 88 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: at worst does massive damage to young people's self esteem. 89 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 4: Actually adds to bullying, and you know, I'm hugely worried 90 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: about it. Normally we fight with other states, even if 91 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: they're labor states, but in this instance we're coming together 92 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 4: with South Australia. Peter's really led on a national level, 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: so we're trying to get the two governments together. Experts 94 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 4: in the room, we'd love you to be there too. 95 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: It's a two day conference, one in Sydney, one in Adelaide. Look, 96 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 4: the worst case is we get the facts in front 97 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: of parents so they can make a decision about how 98 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: they raise their kids. 99 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Do you know The funny thing is, and I get 100 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: nervous when we talk about experts, because you know, there 101 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: was the e Safety Commissioner that came out and said, 102 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: we've got conflicting reports from experts. One says it's damaging 103 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: to teens. One says it's not damaging to teens. And 104 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: to me, that's like saying we've got a glass. We've 105 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: got a glass and there's a drink and it could 106 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: have poison in it. What are you going to do? 107 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: You don't drink the drink. And secondly, I think the 108 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: most important thing with all these discussions is to hear 109 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: the voices of the parents, because that might not be 110 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: the expert study that's spoken, but here's the voice, and 111 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: here's the concern from the raw parents and the stories 112 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: of those that have done it tough about living. They're 113 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: the ones that need to be a That's why when 114 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: we launched, we had over one hundred thousand signatures in 115 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: under three weeks. But there's the call. 116 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: Just call it. 117 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: I mean, the commission is wrong. It is bad for 118 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: young people. Why is there any why is there any ambiguity? 119 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: A poutiful question, like it's so clear every piece of 120 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: independent evidence suggests that, you know, really troubling rates of 121 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 4: the health of young people, particularly mental health, have gone 122 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 4: down since the widespread use of social media and Facebook 123 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 4: exploding in twenty ten. And now you know, we've made 124 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: major inrows between the late nine and nineties and twenty 125 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: ten about mental health right across states and across the 126 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 4: whole country. Those numbers going in the opposite direction now. 127 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: And the only thing I can think of, I mean, 128 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 4: it's just common sense, will tell you. The only thing 129 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: that's changed is the widespread use of social media by 130 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: young people. 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: And that's the common sense that we do need, because 132 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's team's out there too, and there's the 133 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: misleading campaigns as well. But at the same time, people 134 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: are saying, well, what if we just said thirteen to fifteen, 135 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: and then in the second in that last year from 136 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: fifteen to sixteen, the parents could make up their own mind, Well, 137 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: that takes the power away from the parents again. So 138 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: the whole idea is that even if we can't get 139 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: the social media companies and enforce them to put the 140 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: technology into place for verification of age, at least give 141 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: the parents the power to be able to say, guys, 142 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: we don't do that because it's illegal, and you're not 143 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: on social media because it's illegal. 144 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 4: And the point you've made, and this is a good 145 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: one for parents, and I feel it all the time, 146 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: is that when you speak to parents about social media, 147 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 4: they go, yeah, I don't think it's necessarily healthy, but 148 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: if I ban it. 149 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: My kid'll be a pariah. Everybody else has it. 150 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: So if you've got a common rule across the whole 151 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 4: school community, the state, the country, it makes it a 152 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: lot easier. And no one here I'm not suggesting that 153 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: we're some kind of perfect parents. I routinely give an 154 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: iPad when they're all fighting with each other, like everybody 155 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: does it. 156 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: But there's there's limits to this and it's we're well 157 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: beyond it. 158 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: Now. 159 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: You're paid regularly in parliament. I can see you all 160 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: the time just before you go. You're looking after the rentals, 161 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: which is good as well. You introduce something called portable 162 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: bonds where you can transfer a bond from one rental 163 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: to the other, so you don't have to pay to that. 164 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: That's ridiculous in itself. This is obviously coming from a 165 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: man who's lost a few bonds over the years growing up. 166 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 4: Chris. 167 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: Have you been in a few sharehouses when you were younger? 168 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: And I haven't. 169 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: No. 170 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: No, I was a bit of a bum at my parents' 171 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: house for it longer than I should have been. But 172 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: I do remember having a massive stink with a real 173 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: estate agent with my now wife, and I was banging 174 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: on about the bond and I said, no, you've got 175 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: it wrong. It's it's four weeks and you've added to anyway. 176 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: I was wrong. The real estate agent was right. We apologize, 177 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: but that's not. 178 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: The point of the We're trying to come in behind renters. 179 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Yes, support the renters. 180 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: It is a good idea. And the evictions, there's been 181 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: a lot of them getting evicted for no reason, Chris, 182 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: which is just ridiculous. These landlords are just upping their 183 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: rents so much. 184 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Well, what's happening in Sydney. 185 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: Sydney is the only state pretty much in the country 186 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: that has what we call no grounds of evictions, which 187 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: means you can kick someone out for any reason at 188 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: all or no reason. And what is routinely happening for 189 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: young people is they're being handed a massive rent increase 190 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: or an eviction notice and told to choose. And many 191 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 4: people are leaving. I mean, we are losing twice as 192 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: many young people as we're gaining in Sydney. Sydney's rental 193 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: apartments went up thirty five percent in the last two years. 194 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 4: If we lose our best and briers they moved to 195 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: Brisbane or Adelaide or any other jurisdicm or go overseas, 196 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 4: then we're not going to have people who start businesses, 197 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: join major companies, coach football teams, make a city young 198 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 4: and vibrant, and a city without young people is one 199 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 4: without a future. 200 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to fleck fix isn't there? You don't 201 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 5: think you. 202 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: Don't think about the extent of it, do you? 203 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 4: No? 204 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: One hundred percent? 205 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: I mean I haven't spoken to a business that says 206 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: it's incredibly hard to get young, skilled, enthusiastic people because 207 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: they're going We've had into state migration before, but it's 208 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 4: usually been older people moving to Queensland to retire. Now 209 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 4: the demographics are reverse. We're getting young people like I'm 210 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 4: out of here, I can't do this. 211 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's wonderful because, as you said that, 212 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 5: there are a lot of people having their rents increased 213 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 5: and they're living day to day. You know, they're only 214 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 5: just making their rents. Even if they are do you know, 215 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: so to be handed something like that and have to 216 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 5: consider moving themselves if they're a young person, or their families, 217 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: it's been quite tragic for lots of family. 218 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: One hundred percent couldn't agree more. 219 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: But that's once again why we're fans, mate, because it 220 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: makes sense. It just makes sense to look after them. 221 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: Thanks Whipper Premier Chris means thank you for joining us, Buddy. 222 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, good to see out. 223 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: Great to see it's Whipper, It's Kate Ritchie. It's a 224 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: Nova podcast walk great shows like this. 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