WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 23 January 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:07.080 On Scorne Lives Australia. This is the Reader Panete Show. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.720 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panahee Show. I'm 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.120 Danikiti Giorgio coming up tonight. The polls are getting worse 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.160 for Anthony Alberizi as the majority of voters think inflation 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:22.720 will get worse under labor. Hundreds of illegal migrants have 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.320 been arrested in the US as Donald Trump's immigration crackdown 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:27.400 comes into effect. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.160 The Great Douglas. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.240 Murray will give us his take on law and order 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.120 being restored in America. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.440 America First is back. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:40.240 The Trump administration adopts a one flag policy at embassy's army. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:41.920 Horowitz will join us for more. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.040 Kinsey Schofield on Prince Harry settling. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.400 His lawsuit with the Sun in London and. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.680 Of course left He's losing it, including the delusional borderline, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.440 scary meltdowns over Trump's genderban. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:00.360 Keep one Phaeton because you just have to. Hal's eaten 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.040 hell reason always. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.440 Joddy me Now is Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Gary, 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.560 great to catch up with you. Thanks so much for 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.120 Jody v on the show. Look, let's start with this 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.200 latest polling. Australians have swung more support behind the Opposition 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.560 leader Peter Dutton in a warning sign for the Prime minister. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.559 This Resolve poll, published in nine newspapers, shows that fifty 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.160 percent of voters expect inflation to get worse in the 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:27.040 near future. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:28.520 Now if we go through it. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.160 Dutton has gained a significant lead over Albanezi as preferred 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.720 Prime Minister thirty nine to thirty four percent in the 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.120 primary vote. Labor held steady at twenty seven percent over 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.760 the past month. The Coalition also steady at thirty eight percent, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.959 and the Coalition kept its lead over Labor two Party 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.920 preferred fifty one to forty nine. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:49.120 Gary. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.680 Look, we're seeing a trend now with the polling. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.800 What do you think that Peter Dutton needs to do 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.840 to keep this momentum going to really get the Coalition 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.400 over the line at the next election. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.240 Well, it's just going to stay upright and stay focused 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.240 because this is not about Peter Dunton winning the election. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.799 This is about Australia winning again, winning back Australia. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:10.520 You know, the. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.400 Promise of Australia has not been delivered to so many Australians. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.320 Young and those who've migrated here are all wondering what's 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.640 happened to the Australia we thought we were coming to 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.120 be part of. I mean, Peter Dunton has got to actually, 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.160 i think, be strong in his resolve to think about 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.760 the long term and the medium term, not just the 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.480 short term thing. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.600 So it shouldn't just be about winning an election. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.239 It should be about winning Australia, you know, having Australia win. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.760 And there's a lot of messaging out of Donald Trump's 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.560 approach where Donald Trump has been very straightforward about stuff 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.280 and some people you know, have had a problem with it. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.640 And the more the left's heads kind of metaphorically explode 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.080 about Donald Trump, the more you know he's right. And 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.600 to get that kind of common sense narrative back it 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.839 is so critically important. But I've been saying for years, Denika, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.120 on this program, on so many other programs on radio, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.880 the whole lot, that you can actually see whether a 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.960 government trusts the people or not. If government over taxes, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.080 over regulates, and over legislates. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:14.960 Then you know it doesn't trust you. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.079 And that's what we've got and I think Australians have 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.160 fed up to the back teeth with that approach. And 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.320 Elbow's in a world of heard and people say yippie, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.080 you know, I mean, they really don't wish him well 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.920 at all. The trouble is this guy could get really 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.800 crazy over the next couple of months. Hears our Joe Biden, 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.359 and heaven knows what sort of stuff he might try 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:35.560 and do between. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:35.800 Now and the election. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.920 Who actually ruin the work that Peter Dutton is going 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.720 to have to do to restore the kind of Australian 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.000 promise I think a lot of us want to have. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.240 Absolutely Well, that's what Donald Trump's doing over there, America First, and. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.240 That's what we need here. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 And in fact, there's been a number of Coalition MPs 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.040 who are pushing for this bolder Australia First policy in 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.880 the wake of that victory. In fact, Peter Dutton is 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:03.080 reportedly preparing to roll out proposals on home ownership, using gas, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.640 to lower energy bills and broader economic plans. And we 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.920 know that Trump has pledged to slash taxes, regulation, climate 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:10.880 change targets. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:12.480 He's going quite bold. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.240 So Gary, do you think that Dunton needs to really 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.159 go bigger and bolder That now is not the time 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:18.880 to be wasting. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:21.720 Look, I've had. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.320 Of you for years Doniger, and I've said it to 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.000 Peter Dutton, have known for thirty odd years exactly this 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.680 that I think it's like those old sort of European tours. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.040 You know, follow me, follow me, here's my flag. You know, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.719 people want Dunton to lead them over the hill and 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.279 to the next horizon, and so he should not be timid. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.960 Now there are going to be people on his team. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.080 So I just shut up. Let the government lose. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.479 I don't think it's good enough to just have you know, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.960 governments lose, oppositions don't win being the narrative over the 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.359 next couple of months, I think Peter Dutton has to 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.800 outline a vision. I don't believe that younger people, people 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.240 of your age and younger should be having their superannuation 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.719 locked up, not being able to access that kind of 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.279 money as even counting as a resource as an asset 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.719 for say buying a home. I think we should be 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.040 able to say, you know what, the promise of Australia 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.719 includes things like home ownership. It is the absolute great 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.600 way in which most people feel a sense of connection 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.359 to the economic wellbeing of the country. And we're not 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.720 hearing that language out of this Prime Minister who just 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.760 wants to follow the same old, tired, broken international, frankly 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:34.760 communist backed woke agenda about everything from climate change and 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.159 we've got to go ev this, where's the electricity coming from? 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.640 We need cheap power, we need lots of it and 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.119 cheap power. But almost got no plans if the wind 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.680 doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine and the electricity 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.479 goes off. And Queensland's having a pretty hot couple of days, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.039 and already we've got state government departments being told switch 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.680 off the air con, don't use the elevator as much, 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.520 turn the computer off because the grid might collapse. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:00.560 That's Queensland. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.760 That's on top of Victoria, that's on top of New 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.920 South Wales, on South Australia. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:05.960 That's not how you. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.520 Actually build a better, more confident country. So Dunton has 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:10.400 to go bold. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.600 Nuclear is just the start. Go stronger. Peter Dutton. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:14.159 I agree. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.400 We're going broken backwards under labor Gary, that's for sure. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.760 Now, look, let's pivot to Australia Day. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.680 A major pub group who was forced to apologize about 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.720 a controversial Australia Day celebration ban is still refusing to 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.920 acknowledge the national Day instead encouraging Ozzie's to simply celebrate 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.599 the long weekend. Now, despite blatantly omitting January twenty six 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.520 as a public holiday in any of its promotional material, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.720 venues owned by hospitality giant Australian Venue Co are choosing 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:43.839 to celebrate. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.640 National Is on your Day, Valentine's Day and the super Bowl. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.000 Go figure, Gary. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.800 Now this is the same venue who backflipped twenty four 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.520 hours after its Australia Day celebration ban. But now it's 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.080 snubbing our National Day. Is it time to boycott venues 0:06:59.160 --> 0:06:59.359 like this? 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.320 Well, I think we've got to be deliberate in the 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.960 way we spend our money. I had a personal twelve 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.720 month moratorium on spending money at Woolworth's where my first 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.800 job as a young cared was packing groceries at woolworth 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.920 So I really felt sad about that. But you know 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.400 I didn't spend any money in Wilworths for twelve months. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.440 Now I just have come from a Woolworths store earlier 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.240 this evening and the flags are up. So Woolworths learned 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.000 the lesson from a year ago. I think Australian Venue 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.239 Company needs to learn the lesson as well. I'm sorry 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.040 for the white staff and the people working in the hotels, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.960 and by the way, it's not their fault, it's some 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.880 idiot in a Melbourne based office, by the way, and 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.440 Melbourne has this kind of we're not really part of 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.680 Australia thing that goes through it's corporate and government world 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.840 in Victoria. I'm sorry to your viewers in Melbourne, but 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.200 it's just a reality. And Australia Day is a day 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.240 which is important to those who have migrated here in 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.120 their lifetime, become citizens by choice in their lifetime. It 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.200 is a day that brings us together national is only 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.880 your day? Sounds fair, fantastic. Oh but say this Australia Day. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.280 You know, why aren't we doing it? I don't get it. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.760 No, I completely agree with you, Gary, and go woke, 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:09.400 go broke. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.080 So look what happened to Woolley and look speaking of this, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.200 this is extraordinary. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.840 The handing out of a double sided Australian and Aboriginal 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.679 flag and citizenship ceremonies on the Gold Coast has actually 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.080 been axed by that council after complaints from residents. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:25.480 Who would have thought. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.280 You know, Gary, firstly, I'm shocked that there is even 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.520 a double sided flag common sense. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.600 Fine, they've banned it, but the fact that they were handing. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.960 Out these flags in the first place just irritates me. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.800 We are one country, are we not? 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.840 Denika. Here is your headline. There is a flag for 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.439 Aboriginal Australians. It's called the Australian National Flag. You can 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.520 fly whatever flag you like. If you live along the 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.600 Murray River, you might like that Murray River flag. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:54.720 It's got a lot of tradition. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.240 But the one flag which unites this all no matter 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.760 where you are around the world. You know, we are 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:05.160 a country like any country that we all recognize our 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.760 flag when we see it. We actually allow part of 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.960 our flag to be used by another country as their 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:10.760 entire flag. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.600 The UK used as part of our flags their flag. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.679 I mean, seriously, this is a flag for all Australians. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.480 I've gone to citizenship ceremonies. I was once the Citizenship Minister, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.199 the first ever federal citizenship minister, and I've watched African 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:30.000 refugees kiss our flag. They love the fact they could 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.680 be part of Australia. Why is it this cultural cringe 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.480 and this PC black armed view of our history has 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:38.760 to dictate terms on this. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:39.839 They've got it wrong. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.280 The Australian flag is about unity. Australian Day is about unity, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.880 citizenship is about unity. And the gold Cast Council rightly 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.800 have reversed this stupid idea. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.160 Oh look, totally ridiculous. You know, in the end, we 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.199 should be proud to be Australians. It's not racist to 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.440 be proud to be an Australian. You're not a bigot 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.920 for loving this. We've got to show that pride. I 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.920 look forward to doing that on Australia Day. Gary Hardgrave, 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.960 nice to catch up. Thanks very much for joining me 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.120 on the show this evening. Joining me now is one 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.200 of the finest thinkers of his generation, the author of 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.400 international best sellers including The Madness of Crowds, The Strange 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.520 Death of Europe, and The War on the West. Douglas 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.160 Murray Douglas, great to be with you. Thank you so 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.440 much for joining me on the show this evening. I 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.839 want to start with Donald Trump's inauguration. You were over 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.040 in Washington, DC. What was it like to be there 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.439 during this historic moment in time? 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.439 Well, it was, as you say, historic, It was extraordinary 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:47.000 to see the president's inauguration, the excitement in Washington, the 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.280 extraordinary cast of characters who are around in the city 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.959 to see it, and yes, it really did feel like 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.080 a new dawn in the US. It was an astonishing 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.520 speech apart from anything else that Trump gave much more. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:07.200 It's interesting to compare it to the first inauguration speech, which, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:11.840 if you remember in twenty seventeen, was outside on that occasion, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:17.280 but was pretty angry in tone. In many ways, it was, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.800 of course, a very divisive time in America. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:21.680 This felt very different. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.520 It felt like a much more magnanimous Trump. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:28.600 It felt like. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.480 A Trump who was on top of all of the 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.960 things you wanted to do, who had fought through a 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.160 whole set of policies in the last eight years and more, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.360 and knew how to enact them. I thought that it 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.360 was also it was just in general, a sort of 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.520 positive new Dawn like speech. And maybe that's for many reasons, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.360 but one of which is of course, the fact that 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.640 this was such an extraordinary landslide of a victory for him, 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.160 you know, the Republicans winning the popular vote for the 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.120 first time in decades, and much more. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.640 You could feel the president felt. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.959 The mandate that he had and the opportunity, the historic 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.800 opportunity that he now has. And yes, an amazing time. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.240 Oh look, absolutely, and I think it's given a real 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.880 sense of optimism for the first time in many years. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.760 And I felt like that was definitely conveyed during his 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.160 speech as well. Now we need to talk about this 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.120 woke bishop who went on a wild activist rant during 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.240 a church service for Donald Trump. Here's a reminder of 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.199 what happened, and I think that JD. Vance's face really 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:33.800 says it all. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.800 I ask you to have mercy upon the people in 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:46.160 our country. We're scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:54.640 transgender children in Democratic Republican and independent families, some who 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:55.520 fear for their lives. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.560 Now, this bishop, Marianne Edgar Bood has now gone on 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.120 a pre tour of America. Here she is on the 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.360 view who are unsurprisingly gushing over her. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.800 You seem to have more fearlessness than anyone in Congress 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.760 right now, maw you were so gentle, you were so respectful, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.240 you were very demure and very mindful. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.240 A lot of people, as I said, in our country 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.560 right now, are really scared. I wanted to take the 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:25.079 opportunity in the context of that of service for unity 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:30.199 to say we need to treat everyone with dignity and 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.920 we need to be merciful. I was trying to counter 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.960 the narrative that is so divisive and polarizing. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:40.600 Douglas. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.880 She's out there now talking about mercy and understanding, yet 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.400 couldn't wait to do all these press interviews. What do 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.400 you make of what she did at that service and 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:49.920 how she's gone about it since? 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:51.480 Well? 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.640 I thought it was completely disgraceful and the great example 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.880 of where the Episcopalian church has gone in recent years. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.480 There was nothing really about God in this. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.000 I mean, you would have thought that she'd have taken 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.719 the opportunity to talk about God in some way. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:07.160 She didn't. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.600 She just had a set of boring Democrats, left wing 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.079 talking points. First of all, by the woman, the obscenity 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.720 of talking about trans children. There's no such thing as 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.520 a trans child. No child is just born in the 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:25.200 wrong body. And if people are fearful, as she said, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.840 which I'm really not sure they are, but if they 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.480 were fearful, then it's because of people like this barmie 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:39.120 bishop who go around claiming that Donald Trump is going 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.000 to come and kill their trans. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.200 Children or whatever. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.880 I mean, you know, people have to be indoctrinated into 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.120 that kind of fear, and people like her have perhaps 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.680 managed to do that to some of there would be flop. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.440 It's just one of those occasions though, when you know, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.160 you remember what has gone wrong where a large segment 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.920 of the church. It's not just the Episcopalian church. But 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.000 you know, this is a moment and it doesn't happen 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.040 that often in America any more than Australia or Britain. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.520 This is a moment for the church to shine, you know, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.840 and actually to talk about God, to talk about Jesus, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:19.479 talk about the Christian. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.160 Faith for instance. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.720 This would seem like prime time to do that. But 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:28.640 only a banal bishop like this thinks that instead of 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.360 talking about God they should do their boring talking points, 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.800 which if anyone wants to see they can get on 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:40.520 the view any day. It's just a real disgrace that 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.600 somebody like her is in that position, and as I say, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.640 a demonstration of the church is failing, that they would 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.440 have just this third rate political hack when they could 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.600 have had somebody who was talking about God and representing 0:15:58.640 --> 0:15:59.280 God on earth. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.200 I can think of no one further away. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.440 From that position than her, and she or sure she'll 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.200 enjoy her two or three days of being lauded for 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:14.640 her incredible bravery. And after that, I hope she disappears 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.600 into the oblivion from which she came. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.640 Oh look, don't we all that would be great? 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.560 And Donald Trump overnight's also demanded a public apology. He's 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.040 posted to truth Social saying the so called bishop who 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.760 spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.640 a radical left, hardline Trump hater. She brought her church 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.880 into the world of politics in a very ungracious way. Douglas, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.800 You know, Trump is right here. What business did she have? 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.480 And and it goes to what you alluded to before turning 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.040 what was meant to be a great church service into 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:48.600 a political one. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.320 It's so strange. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.600 I mean, and you know, just to demonstrate that there 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.400 should be such a thing as consistency. I wouldn't have 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.440 wanted to hear a sermon from a very right twing 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:06.639 bishop explaining how tough we should be on illegal migrants either. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:08.960 I mean, she said we've got. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.000 To have mercy on illegal migrants and how scared they are, 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.439 and I mean that's just ridiculous. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.080 I mean, you can just do that forever. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.960 But the counterpart is you could just talk about all 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.159 the crimes that some illegal migrants have committed. But again, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.880 who wants to hear that from a pulpit. You can 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.240 hear that in some of the news if you want. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:32.960 You can hear it on it. You can see it 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.040 on x you can see it on YouTube, you can 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.000 see it in the newspapers. You can read the New 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.679 York Post, and you can read the crimes that have 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.359 been committed by illegal migrants. But once you step into church, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.000 you would hope that you would get something other than 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:52.560 the day's news, and something about the eternal and the 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.800 divine and the sublime, and so, you know, just the 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.159 heart sinks. One of the things I've said for years 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:05.919 is that the response to the mad left wing infiltration 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.439 of almost every institution in our societies should not be 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.000 countered actually by the right wing infiltration of the churches 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.480 or music. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:17.760 Or anything else. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:23.320 It should be the depoliticization of the non political world. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.280 You know, there are ever few there have been in 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.879 recent years, ever fewer spaces to use one of the 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:34.240 left's favorite phrases, Ever fewer spaces in which you can 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:40.240 actually escape from politics. Because the left has pushed politics 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.000 into everything. I hope that this is just another reminder 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:49.480 to conservatives and liberals and others alike, we need spaces 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.600 that are not politicized, where you're not going to get 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:57.320 a sermon literally in the church and non literally anywhere 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.800 else where. We can just focus on other. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:01.879 Things as well. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.000 And as I say, I mean that should really be 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.640 the conservative response, say strip the politics out. 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.160 Absolutely, And this is exactly why Donald Trump's been elected 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.439 because people are sick of this absolute nonsense. Now you 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.560 mentioned illegal migrants there, and it started already. More than 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.400 three hundred illegal migrants have been arrested by ICE during 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.960 raids in and around sanctuary cities across the US. This 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.320 includes sex offenders and other violent criminals. Douglas, this is 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.160 just the beginning of what clearly is a massive task 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.480 ahead for Ice and borders our Tom Homan. But how 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.439 good is it to see law and order slowly and 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:42.879 finally being restored. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.639 Well, as I've said for many years, if you don't 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.720 have a border, you don't really have a country, or 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.359 at least you won't have a country very soon. The 0:19:54.400 --> 0:20:00.560 way in which illegal migration has been encouraged in recent years, 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.080 not just in America, but of course in Britain, Europe 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.199 and elsewhere has been really shocking. It has undermined the 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:14.800 fabric of these societies, and it rewards the illegality. At 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.040 the first point, many people like that Barmie Bishop will 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.040 have will be thinking about, you know, these people saying 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.880 they're not all or not all these illegal migrants and criminals. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.320 That's true with the fact that obviously not all of 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.480 them have raped and murdered people since entering the US illegally, 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.160 but all of them have broken the law by entering 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.000 the US illegally. And meantime, by the way, you know, 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.239 this is another of those great things that undermines one 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.840 of the central fabrics of a society is you know, 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:50.680 legal migration is hard. Getting asylum actually for legitimate reasons 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.560 is hard. And the fact that at the same time 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:59.160 as that reality exists, you just have this other world 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.200 where any one who just breaks the law is allowed 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.120 to do so is just something that has massively undermined 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.560 the United States of America as with other developed democracies. 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.399 It is a huge task ahead for the Trump administration, 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.760 there's no doubt about that, and they are going to 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:20.600