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Speaker 1: Any feedback on my singing last week of Jerry Marsden

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Speaker 1: during the Pacemakers Never Walk Alone. Good feedback, solid feedback.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there was any feedback, right, Okay, no feedbacks,

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Speaker 1: good feedback.

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Speaker 2: One person said he was so impressed that you were

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Speaker 2: able to learn how to sing out of your ass.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I don't know who that person is, but

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Speaker 1: in your face, bro.

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Speaker 3: Because Starle Braithwaite and the Sweet Silver I'm trying to learn.

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Speaker 2: Piano man, piano man, Yeah, yeah, you heard of it?

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Speaker 1: Was that Elton John.

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Speaker 2: You know that's rocket Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very close. Not physically welcome everybody where. We're better.

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Speaker 1: Review to the weekend's game, extraordinary games, particularly the second

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Speaker 1: the Sunday game, which we've just witnessed extraordinary. Cooper, We

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Speaker 1: are primarily lovers of the game, our family first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: We loved the game.

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Speaker 1: We love the game, and the game has never ever

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Speaker 1: been in a better spot. The game has never been better.

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Speaker 1: This final season, this final series, has been extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think the games have just been phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: And like I even I was saying this because I

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Speaker 2: was down in Melbourne last week watching the game. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about, but also watching a bit of

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Speaker 2: AFL and the AFL like the AFL is in a

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Speaker 2: good spot with what they've done. Entertainment, Snoop Dogg, things

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Speaker 2: like that. But I've watched all the AFL finals games

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Speaker 2: this year. The drama that we've had in the NRL,

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Speaker 2: every game, well most games, but particularly that Broncos Raiders

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Speaker 2: and then tonight that Broncos Penrith game. The games are

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Speaker 2: just pure entertainment, like there is everything. It's like it's

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Speaker 2: written on a script. It's that good.

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Speaker 1: See it again, It's like.

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Speaker 2: It's written on a script. It's that good.

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Speaker 1: A master of Snoop Yeah, smoothing there is that?

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Speaker 2: What? I don't think that's a Snoop Dogg song.

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Speaker 1: Do you know in the movie in Old School, he

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Speaker 1: gets he's up there and he's got will get yeah

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Speaker 1: and he goes. I think, but I have a most

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Speaker 1: playing and that. I actually thought he was really good

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Speaker 1: at the Afield Green Final. And let's start let's start

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Speaker 1: with We'll start it with Friday. The temptations to start.

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Speaker 2: With the game we've just seen stayed disciplined, but let's

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Speaker 2: stay discipline is cool.

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Speaker 1: So you went down, you went down, I went yeah

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Speaker 1: down last week? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what day did you

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Speaker 1: get down?

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Speaker 2: Wednesday? Wednesday? I went down there just to spect. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you right now now there's a thing in at

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Speaker 2: Melbourne that Markey brentan all started calling me the rabbit's foot.

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Speaker 2: Who's Markey Brenttle is the assistant coach of Melbourne yep, for

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Speaker 2: those that don't know, because every time I go down

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Speaker 2: and the last couple of years, I've been down a

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Speaker 2: bit because just for what, go watch the boys play

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Speaker 2: keet behind the lads. Obviously I'm an old boy, but

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of my old teammates still playing

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Speaker 2: not one. So call it a four leaf clover, call

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Speaker 2: it a rabbit's foot, call it whatever the hell you want.

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Speaker 2: But they are under no illusion down there that I

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Speaker 2: am not. I am the good luck charm.

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Speaker 1: Your great your influence is still felt in that club.

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Speaker 2: And I said this to someone down there actually at

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Speaker 1: It was it was it, Craig, So you listen to me.

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Speaker 2: There was someone in the Fiji Airways lounge that was there.

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Speaker 2: They asked, first of all, did you used to play

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Speaker 2: said yes. They said how many games did you play?

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Speaker 2: I said about about nineteen. But the legacy that I've left,

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Speaker 2: they're starting to see the success of that now, the

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Speaker 1: Drink. They are absolutely you know, the things that you

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Speaker 1: put in place. Your frustrations were that you were years

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Speaker 2: I start, I finally understand what it must be like

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Speaker 2: for someone like Elon Musk. Yeah, right, when you are

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Speaker 2: they just can't understand what you're talking about. It's like

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Speaker 1: When I was listening to a Fats Domino song today,

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Speaker 2: And your mic just cut out for a second. It's

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Speaker 2: you want to finish that turd of a thought that.

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Speaker 1: You yeah, are we okay? Now? Yeah? No, I was

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Speaker 1: just saying that, you know, Fats Domino brought out Blueberry Hill,

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Speaker 1: and the sixties. And as I was listening to that

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think that you were the Fats

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Speaker 1: Domino of Melbourne Storm Rugby League. The things that you

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Speaker 2: I am now I'm now very disappointed I even told

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Speaker 2: that was God sending a symbol down it was supposed

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Speaker 1: But you are the rabbit's foot, so you go. You

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Speaker 1: Actually I had fears when you tell me that you

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Speaker 1: stay at Harry Grant's place at the time. Oftentimes I think,

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Speaker 1: fair to say that your lifestyles are probably different these days,

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Speaker 2: No, not not as opposite as you think. See the

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Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, sure. I was always tiptoeing

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Speaker 2: I was just a slob. I followed Harry's exact game

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Speaker 2: I followed the exact same thing, even though I wasn't

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Speaker 1: He was preparing himself for you were getting over a hangout.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I was about to prepare myself to go

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Speaker 2: you know what, it is very very nice and Dad Jackie,

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Speaker 2: you guys won't understand this, but to be an old

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Speaker 2: my opinion is neutral when it comes to who I

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Speaker 2: your club's either going to be in a prelim or

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Speaker 2: a Grand final every single year, it is a nice feeling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I go to the nights old boys, I

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Speaker 1: look at the modern players to go, oh god, I

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Speaker 1: I had. But anyway, yeah, I kind of digressed there

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Speaker 4: Hey, why we were on the topic of singers. Can

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Speaker 4: we actually talk about. I noticed Cooper was out, so

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Speaker 4: you can explain this to him what happened on your show.

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Speaker 4: We're filming it tonight. But last night on your show

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Speaker 1: The Queensland Cup Grand Final was Billy Bears up against

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Speaker 1: the North. Anyway, pre game, they got this young fella out,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know that poor bugger. I said, it

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Speaker 1: and flesh goes, that'd be great and he said to

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Speaker 1: I had to go, and then Hammy was on and

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Speaker 1: my next comment was okay, Hammy, now grand Final head

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And can you tell us the yarn that you

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Speaker 2: were saying about Snoop Dogg the other day? Remember, because

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Speaker 2: I saw Snoop when I was down there, I thought

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Speaker 2: asked where they had a Snoop Dogg impersonator going around

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Speaker 2: exactly like him. It was a fake Snoop dog Everyone

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Speaker 2: Matt Snoop Dogg and people going this is crazy, wasn't

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Speaker 2: him looked just like I.

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Speaker 1: Looked like him. Yeah. Yeah, So the story was on

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Speaker 1: on Friday. There's a guy that myself, Letchenheini, deal with

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Speaker 1: a bit, Richie. He owns a number of pubs in

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Speaker 1: it's Grand Final coming up soon, a Grand Final week.

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Speaker 1: He was like, oh, boys, would you come out and

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Speaker 1: It was about I think about five hundred people. They

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Speaker 1: up there and did a bit of a routine and

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Speaker 1: rich what's happening? And well he looked very excited. He

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Speaker 1: his whole crew. We're flying him here and he's going

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Speaker 1: to play the Bella Vista Hotel, the Bella Vista pub

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen I saw some after you told me

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Speaker 1: In those those big western Sydney pubs. Man, they are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more of an offair chat, but we should.

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Speaker 2: Let's just make sure that we flag this Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into the bit of the footy. Storm played

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Speaker 2: the Sharks. You, Matthew, were very bullish on the Sharks.

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Speaker 2: which they fought amicably. I thought. I thought a lot

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Speaker 2: the last two weeks before. They did a good job

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Speaker 1: Finals football, it's about one of the primary corner cornerstones

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the set Munster went down the short

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Speaker 2: and then they grubbed it in and then will Warbrigs

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Speaker 2: There was so many penalties in that game, and I

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Speaker 1: Cooper and I'm telling you, man, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: We're not going to go too in deep, but there

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Speaker 1: just there's so many factors there. But yeah, Coop Crnulla,

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Speaker 1: But the thing about it is Melbourne will not beat themselves.

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Speaker 2: But Monster, I thought, that's as good a game Monster's

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk with some of the individual performances there,

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Speaker 1: And that's that's he was. He was phenomenal. If he

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Speaker 1: It was beautiful and you watch him coop. He's so

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Speaker 1: Now what I mean by that is oftentimes you get

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Speaker 1: He knew it was on. He just found a way

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Speaker 2: To the It was actually auly technique.

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Speaker 1: It's an ugly technique. It was a half shank hooked it.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing about Munster. He's very nature. The

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Speaker 2: Well, you're told, you're kind of told in defensive systems

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Speaker 1: I just can't particularly round halfway. I can't fathom. That

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Speaker 1: it's just so blatantly obvious. Yeah, anyway, but.

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Speaker 2: Jesse someone he's a good player to very very good player,

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00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 2: but fends him with that with that broken for yeah,

433
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 2: robo robo. But Hughsey. I thought Hughsey was unbelievable and

434
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure like and he's one of Dally

435
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: and he's one of the best halfbacks in the comp

436
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 2: but I have no doubt a little bit of pressure

437
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: on his shoulders, not just with that injury, but with

438
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: the form of Jonah Pezzitt the week before as well.

439
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: Like and Hughes is a big game player, but to

440
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: have to have that pressure from a player underneath you

441
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: in that squad was there was a little bit coming

442
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: into this game with Hughes is a little bit underdone

443
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: with an injury. He had to have a big game

444
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 2: because you know they had a player there, Jona Pezant,

445
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: who could have played started in that side as well.

446
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: Coops, And you are exactly right, and people will listen

447
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: to that and go, oh, Coop's that's absurd. No, No,

448
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: it is true. Never underestimate people's insecurities. And I'm not

449
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: saying straight in security with your own, but it is true.

450
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: Champions always hear the footprints, always hear the footsteps behind him,

451
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: hear it coming. And I use the example all the

452
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: time with Munster in State of Origin when they lost

453
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: game one this year and I learned an interview with

454
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: him in the radio and they asked him, how did

455
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: you find out that you were going to be given

456
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: the captaincy by Billy Slater when Duc was dropped, and

457
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: he said, Billy called me and said can you come

458
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: to my room and I have a yandy about something,

459
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: And he said, I thought that I was about to

460
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: be dropped. Now that you're spot on about like the

461
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: drone thing, he's looking going the young guys, I mean,

462
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: and suddenly he's playing really good football and some people

463
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 1: can't help themselves too. Coop, Like Jerome would have been

464
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: places where people are going to go and just going,

465
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: oh hey, the new Blake. Jonah, he's gone, right, so

466
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,239
Speaker 1: they don't really need you. He'd be copping that that,

467
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: And so I just think, Coop, he hasn't given like

468
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: people have really gone mate. Applauded for his performance and

469
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: what he under adversity, but not nearly enough. No, I

470
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: mean Shane Webb. He played in the Grand Final in

471
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: two thousand with a broken arm, but he broke it

472
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Speaker 1: five weeks earlier. Yeah, he played for Jerome twenty two

473
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: days earlier. He broke his arm and he's out there

474
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: fendom Blake's office, coring tries from forty five to fifty

475
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: meters out so fantastic performance. Blake. You mentioned before mate

476
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Speaker 1: two the two big boys two he Comic and Muther

477
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Speaker 1: and Stefano were fantastic. Firstly, Stefano man, my god. In

478
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 1: this sort of the back end quarter of this season,

479
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Speaker 1: he has been sensational.

480
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm going to get to our back

481
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: fence player right now for me because a lot of

482
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: big game players in that storm side. I had Stefano

483
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: and we actually I watched it live, but I didn't

484
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: realize the impact he had in that first twenty five minutes.

485
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: His first twenty five minute stint was as good as

486
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: any front rower has had this year. Maybe not on

487
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: the stat sheet like but some of his quick play

488
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 2: thea balls that he generated for that side. And we

489
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: went back after the game, Harry, Wishy and I we

490
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: went back to theirs and rewatched it after the game.

491
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Speaker 2: The boys like to rewatch the game because he can't

492
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Speaker 2: sleep after it. And that first stint he had was unbelievable.

493
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: He got Billy Burns with a bump at one stage

494
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: to get this quick play the ball, and even blokes

495
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: like Fanilla Blake were really struggling to handle him. Yeah,

496
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: early the boys say he's got a bump. And when

497
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 2: I say a bump, let's use the example of like

498
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: when Tino how he runs at Yat, he really winds

499
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: up a bump, like you can see him winding up

500
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: five meters out and he gets his big bumpers up

501
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: and it's your job to kind of avoid his bumpers

502
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: or prepare for him. The boys say, Stefano, you can't

503
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: prepare for him because he's so powerful. He's bump and

504
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: he gets it up so late with off the back

505
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: of footwork that like he's very unassumingly strong.

506
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

507
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry said in Origin, like he flew out of

508
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: the line at one stage to try to get Stefano

509
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: who's playing his Wales, and even it even surprised him.

510
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: He's like, mate, he hit me with this bump and

511
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: it literally went straight through him and I couldn't prepare

512
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: for it. I thought he was unbelievable. I think the

513
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: last about seven weeks he's been close to the best

514
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 2: front run on the comp.

515
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Speaker 1: Well that that the Hugheses try. We're just talking about

516
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: you watch that, mate, he run there, he bumps off

517
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: a bare foot blokes. He just goes bump, bump, bump

518
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: and he goes halfway to his line, throws that bad hughes.

519
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: He's been a revelation in your old roommate mate two.

520
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: He coming Commuth. It was his best, one of his

521
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: best performances as a Storm player off the bench. He

522
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: just gave an enormous lifts to me.

523
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: They need that. They've lacked that real impact off the

524
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: bench when they haven't had, like, you know, ever since

525
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: they lost like Brandon Smith. Obviously no Nelson this year.

526
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: That real punch off the bench where you have someone

527
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: that comes on and brings leg speed and a lot

528
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: of rock speed for you had too. He was unbelievable

529
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: on the weekend with that, the other Blake wanted to

530
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: give a big rap to it.

531
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Speaker 1: I thought it was his best game as an NRL player.

532
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: Will Wollbrick I thought Will was the week before he

533
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: had he had a mixed game the week before, had

534
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: some difficult periods, but all alls well, had ended well.

535
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: He finished the game well. But right from the start

536
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: of this game he was superb. He scored the first try,

537
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: but everything he did was high quality.

538
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they trindle pepp at him. They had They

539
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: obviously had a game plan to bomb that side. With

540
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: Muller Talo coming through as an attacking threat, and he

541
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: put a lot of floaters up, a lot of torpedoes.

542
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: Brick didn't drop one. I think, man, what did you

543
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: make of that Shark's performance, because, like we just spoke,

544
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: we'll get a lot of raps to storm them. But

545
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: I like what the sharks. The Sharks clearly had a

546
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: game plan to get it Melbourne's left edge Munster, Jack

547
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: Haworth and Xavier Coachs and I thought they the two

548
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: tries that they scored in that first half once they

549
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: went down there, Nico found it out the back to

550
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: Kennedy who they jammed and he beat him with some

551
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: good footwork and found Katara in the right corner. And

552
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: then the next try he puts Billy Burns through a

553
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: hole in between Munster and jack Howarth. Yeah, and then

554
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: Katoa scores again. That's it's a it is looking at

555
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: Melbourne's edge defense. It is probably the the side where

556
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: they're going to get targeted a lot in this Grand

557
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: Final coming up that space between Munster and Jackie Howarth,

558
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: and I thought Sharks actually did a really good job

559
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: at exploding it.

560
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny Coop that that left hand side. It

561
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: was it was probably not for Melbourne in your spot

562
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: on they're going to go continually. And it's funny because

563
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: both times both tries you were talking about were bad

564
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: decision making, but for totally different reasons. The first one

565
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: it was, it was they all went outside in in

566
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: uniform uniformally it was a bad decision collectively, just where

567
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: it rushed in past the ball and he shot it

568
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: through and little tunnel ball could tow it to score.

569
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: The second one, where Billy Burns went through and then

570
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: off to can Tell to score his second try, was

571
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: the fact that there was obviously a lack of communication

572
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: on Munster's inside and you see Muster sort of backing

573
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: off a little bit trying to buy time and that's

574
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: where they hit the short ball. So I don't know,

575
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where the problem is coming from. But

576
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: Munster is the lynch pin in the middle and he's

577
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: either not getting communication from the inside or the outside.

578
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: But they've got a lot to work on there, because

579
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: that is Ruce Walsh, that's his favorite side, looping around

580
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: on that out side, he's very very good.

581
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: Especially with Adam Reynolds over and that attacking edge as well, well,

582
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: but who was your did you have a back fence?

583
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: I went to I just thought i'd like to his player.

584
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: And he's had a little bit of an up and

585
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: down season too, he but I thought off the bench,

586
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: he gave a lot of punch. Every time he got

587
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: the ball made.

588
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: He was mighty Yeah, we'll get Stefano and two we

589
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: will get you those your gifts, your.

590
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: Gold plated cuff links. Yes, come to you.

591
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to that. Let's get to this

592
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: second game Sunday afternoon and those Sunday afternoon games. Let

593
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: me tell you something, those day Sunday games, it is

594
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: putting a lot of thought into the NFL's had to

595
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: go to a day Sunday Grand Final because I saw

596
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: during the week that Valandi's were saying the TV ratings

597
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: for those afternoon games. It's always been a TV thing

598
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: do it late at night. But the other games have

599
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: been breaking some records, and I.

600
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Think I think soon the broadcaster will be online. Yeah,

601
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: they'll be on side. I would not surprise me even

602
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: next year that if Valandi's lent on Channel nine, they'd relent. Say, yep,

603
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: no problem, they can sell that to the advertisers. That

604
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: even if the ratings are slightly down, you've got to understand,

605
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: there's so many people sitting at barbecues, there's more eyeballs

606
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: on the game. It's just that people are watching collectively, right,

607
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: And the advertisers be that. So the very fact they're

608
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: saying this year, this final series, the ratings are up

609
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: thirty four percent, thirty thirty four percent, right, And and

610
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: the real big ones of the day games, now people

611
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: are watching you collectively your pubs and like say, you go,

612
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: my god, how many people are watching the game. Yeah,

613
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: So if it's you know, in that situation, the ratings

614
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: a go thirty four percent, and it's in day games

615
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: and people will be watching at venues, but the ratings,

616
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the ratings could be up like sixty percent probably, yeah,

617
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: but it's the standard of the football. We had Hudson

618
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: Young on Tonight Show on Sunday Night Show, and I

619
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: was sitting there watching the game with him and we're

620
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: having to talk about the game, and I said to Hudson,

621
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I said, I'm telling you, in mine, mine is a

622
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: life that has been wasted in rugby league. My life,

623
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: I said, but I'm telling you right now, the game

624
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: in my whole time in this sport. The game has

625
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: never been better, the players haven't have never been better,

626
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: every aspect of the game. The game is flying. It's

627
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: just incredible, and it just makes you as a regular person,

628
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of listeners will back this

629
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: up with me. It makes you really proud to be

630
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: a regular league person when you watch a game. Some

631
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: of the games have been played in this final series

632
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: and the game we just saw just there. I just

633
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: thought both sides were incredible, the storylines going in and

634
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: the expectation of what the game could be. It lived

635
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: up to the billing in a little bit more.

636
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and I'm going to talk about some

637
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: of the players' performances and some of the big moments

638
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: from the game. But looking at the build up into

639
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: this game, we spoke about it, the X factor of

640
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: the Broncos up against the discipline and the absolute clinical

641
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: nature of Penrith Panthers. It was always going to be

642
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: a big clash and I always had the theory that

643
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: I mean at finals as luck and timing and everything

644
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: of who you get on the draw. But the only

645
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: team I thought that could beat Penrith were the Broncos.

646
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: I thought if Storm came up against Penrith, Penrith were

647
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: going to beat them because they play a similar style,

648
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: but the Broncos X factor and their physicality with boys

649
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: like Payne Hers and Xavier Willison, their big strong pack.

650
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: I thought really fatigued Penrith because by the end of

651
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: the game, and Penrith should have had him on the ropes,

652
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: like with how much footy they sort of started getting

653
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: down their end, how many chances Broncos gave them. The

654
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: Broncos defense on their line they were so resilient held

655
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: him out a lot of the time. But usually Penrith

656
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: would put teams to the sword with their attack. But

657
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: they were really disrupted. They were I haven't seen Penrith

658
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: look that tired in the last five years. Like they

659
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: fatigued very quickly and not quickly, but it was it

660
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: was a testament to how physical and quick the game was.

661
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: But there was a point there where Leam Martin and

662
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: Mitch Kenny both went off and in a very key

663
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: part of the thing, and I thought it must be

664
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: so much fatigue out there because you don't see that

665
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: those blugs come off in this moment extraordinary coop.

666
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: There was a time Louam Martin stood up once and wabbled,

667
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: and I was with Hudson and I said, did he

668
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: get a headshot? And he goes, no, he's just fucked.

669
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: He's gone and made. And I'm going, oh my god,

670
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Like Coop, if the first game we spoke about Melbourne

671
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: Storm Sharks was defined by Melbourne's greater discipline, then this

672
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: game was defined by Brisbane's desperation in their online defense. Yeah,

673
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: that's what one of them came. Because Coop at foot,

674
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: like Penrith in the first half, destroyed the Broncos with

675
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the yardage game as they destroyed most teams without yard

676
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 1: and just dismantled him. And I must say, going in

677
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: at fourteen nil down, I actually thought the school line

678
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: it was in some ways flattered Brisbane. They were so

679
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: under the pump. And we'll sit there again with Hudson

680
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and you just yeah talking And I said him, if

681
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: Penrith came out and score in the first five ten minutes,

682
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: I said, the flood gates can open. It's gonna be

683
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: a big score. He goes, Yep, definitely. Anyway, Buck of Mo.

684
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: They had so many opportunities to do that, Penrith, and

685
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: they just kept going and going and going, and they

686
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: just found a way to stay in the contest or

687
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: to defend their line. Yeah, it was. It was an

688
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: extraordinary defensive effort, Coop. And you said, Xavier Wilson before

689
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: Xavier Willison Lea Martin being gone. Xavier Willison, who has

690
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: played very little football player, he hit the wall completely right. Yeah,

691
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: And I said to the boys, haven't looked at Xavier here,

692
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: and he was. He played the ball and he put

693
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: his head in his hands and he actually turned and

694
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: looked towards the coach's box and just to say, fucking Madge,

695
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: you've got to take me off and go on. And

696
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: then about five minutes later scores the tryes the vital.

697
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: Drip his first stint. He was very gas Penrith did

698
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: a good job of actually identifying. There was a couple

699
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: of times there where you could see Nathan and Mitch

700
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Ken in particular. Miss Kenny's got a good knack on

701
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: the field of he screams and he'll point the players

702
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: and say get at him. And he was pointing at

703
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: Zavi will listen a lot, tipping his forwards into making

704
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: him make tackles because he become really ineffective at points,

705
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: jumping off tackles and you know, just just not really

706
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: You're getting a lot of quick play the balls through him.

707
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: But his second stint with the footy mate he was,

708
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: he was a big game breaker for him because he's

709
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: got him a lot of quick play the balls.

710
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Obviously scored seal the brought.

711
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: Him back into that game with that good try, But

712
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: some of his some of his balls.

713
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Can you put our man up, Jack for a second,

714
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: because I want to ask him about his great mate

715
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: Adam Reynolds. Jack played with Reno and they remain good friends. Hey, Jack,

716
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: that must have been, like you, We're not a pressure

717
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: on rene Jack going into this game, given the fact

718
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: that you know they played so good without him being

719
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: in the side, and so you could see him finding

720
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: his way and you can see that the hamstring is

721
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: still not one hundred percent. But to nail that kick, yeah,

722
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: and that's just one of those moments that can define

723
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: your Yeah, your time at a club. He's had.

724
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: Renold's had a thousand, thousands of kicks, and a lot

725
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: of them have been high pressure kicks, and especially early

726
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: in his career there at Souse with.

727
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Madge, he done some crazy kicks.

728
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 4: But it's a crazy moment to think too, Like, don't

729
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: forget the fact that you know, the Penrith's first win

730
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: in their dynasty was against Sour Sydney, Renault's last game

731
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 4: for SOUS and he missed that goal. So I think

732
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 4: it was to level it that game. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

733
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: And and then like to finish this full game run

734
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: to try and make five and he kicks the goal

735
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: to pretty much send him away in the last three minutes.

736
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: It's pretty it's a bit of a a It's a

737
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: huge moment for Reno and I don't know, I'm not

738
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: sure if it would have weighed on him too much

739
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: that kick back in the day, but I reckon it

740
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: would have regardless that if they win the Grand Final.

741
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 4: I reckon, I reckon it's probably relieved a bit of pressure.

742
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: In his mind. Oh definitely, Jack spot on, Yeah, and

743
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: go on what you just said before, Matthew on a

744
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: pressure on Renner. You could you could see, And I

745
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: said it to Jack. During the game, particularly the first

746
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: sort of three quarters of the game, their attack was

747
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: really clunky. Their attack was really clunky between the communication

748
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: between him and Ben Hunt. Yeah, in particular, but it

749
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: was like they'd gone away what had been working for

750
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: them probably the last five weeks because they had Adam

751
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: Reynolds come back and they all looked to Reno for

752
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: you get us around the park, and Reno probably was

753
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: it actually slowed their attack right up because he was

754
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: always setting up saw a play for himself. When the

755
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: last sort of four weeks when they've been going well,

756
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: they'd just been playing footy, playing footy, playing footy, and

757
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: then ren b Reece Walsh or Ben Hunt or Billy

758
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: Walter saw something. Then they called the ball and on

759
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: and Reese Walsh. You could see him. He was hugging

760
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: that right side a lot, just hanging around Rena because

761
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: obviously he looks up to Reno and he's just following

762
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: Renau's lead. And it actually hindered a lot of his

763
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: attacking performance because he wasn't floating like he usually does.

764
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: It's spot on Coop because when they lost Reno Magual, Okay,

765
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: what are we going to do here? Right, so they

766
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: had to fall back into a more reactionary style football,

767
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: watch and react. And let's not forget the fact that

768
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: lost Billy Wilders, right. Billy has been one of their

769
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: very best players. This year as far as impact, but

770
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: even when he went to six it was outstanding. So

771
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: to lose a player like that loves a big hole.

772
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: But then Renault comes back in, who is such an

773
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: influential player, He's naturally going to have his even if

774
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: he wants to take a back seat, not over play

775
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: his hands, he naturally his footprint will be on how

776
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: you want to play. And you can see it took

777
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: a long while from to really start to work it

778
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: out a little bit, but oh man, it was. It

779
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: was a great game of football. And may I tell

780
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: you what, I got so much respectful to Recee Walsh.

781
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Reecee Walsh, Like you know he's a pretty boy, well

782
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: get that and all that sort of stuff. Mate, He's

783
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: he is fucking tough, mate. You look at her in

784
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: that first twenty minutes when the heat is one, he's

785
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: taken two and a set of six, he's getting jammed.

786
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: He's just he can't be discouraged. I've said it before.

787
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: He's just how strong he is. People don't realize because

788
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: sometimes you get on kick returns and stuff. He can

789
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: get manhandled by some of the bigger boys. But you

790
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: saw in that first ten minutes none of the attack

791
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: was out on the edges. He was just getting it

792
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: one off the ruck and just using his speed in

793
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: acceleration to get straight in between two defenders and getting

794
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: on quick play thea balls he's I mean, it was

795
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: a big reason him doing that. It not only causes

796
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: quick playables, but it also like you saw with Scott

797
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Sorenson calls the head clash and he goes off category won.

798
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: He can't even play. He couldn't play the Grand Final

799
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: if they made it next week. That stuff is actually

800
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: really instrumental end up winning the game.

801
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: It's funny, Cooper, and let people know that that's a

802
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: really it's a big thing. Is that when a player

803
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: gets a ball who has got express speed right, and

804
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: what they do is they run straight between two defenders.

805
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: Now that is it's testing. It's testing the metal of

806
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: the defenders, but also yourself. Now what I mean by

807
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: that is you are running in between two defenders right now,

808
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 1: what running between and copying two sets of shoulders on you,

809
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: You can actually get emptied out big time, really knocked around.

810
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: They hit you sweet. But it's also it's always testing

811
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: the mental toughness and the physical toughness and the defenders,

812
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: because when you run between a defender, if they just

813
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: get it slightly wrong, there's a fair chance they're going

814
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: to clash heads. Yeah right, and it's it's laying the

815
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: cards on the table and say, right, this is what

816
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. Let's fucking see what you're going

817
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: to do. And he did that. That's when Scott Scotty

818
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: Sarenson got hit, got knocked out. That is for Reus,

819
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: that's him, that's his toughness and going right, I'm going

820
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: to do that, testing out the defense.

821
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: And he did.

822
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: He did that all all afternoon. He was brilliant. Pain

823
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: Ass is just I guess to the point, mate, we're

824
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: pain Hass. If you if you just turned up and

825
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: you never heard of this bloke, pain hasse and you

826
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: watch the game. We've been speaking, we'd talk about him

827
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes now, just going mate, what about that?

828
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: But you expect it from him. But he did it

829
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: without Pat Carrigan being there. He went, He did it solo.

830
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: It was magnificent.

831
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: What the in tensity of that game, particularly that first

832
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: ten minutes. It was State of Origin esque, particularly a

833
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: lot of the kick chases. I think the first kick chase.

834
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: They went down, ren I put up a bomb. Brendan

835
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: Peter Kura come from the left side and you see

836
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: those kind of kick chases in the Big in either

837
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: Big Grand Finals or State of Origin. He went through

838
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: and just leveled Dylan Edwards out yep, and those real

839
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: big hits off the plus one plus two when the

840
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: back three, the wingers in the fullback are coming out

841
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: of their own end. It was physical and I tip

842
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: my hat to Penrith because they copped a lot of

843
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: They absorbed a lot of pressure early, a lot of

844
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: physical pressure. Sorenson went off and they were actually in

845
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: a bit of sixes and sevens for that first ten minutes.

846
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: I was thinking that Broncos are going to score here.

847
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: They ended up holding them out, got a good stop

848
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: on the right edge, and then as soon as Penrith

849
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: went down to that end, they just went to work.

850
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: They It's a testament to that club and that culture

851
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: because they absorbed so much pressure. And then Nathan and

852
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: Iao went down that end, they went right and they

853
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: just they were all by the book. They just they

854
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: picked them apart and they set up that really nice

855
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: try for paul A Lamotti in the right side.

856
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: If you have knock out a champion, if you're a

857
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: heavyweight box, did you get a bit knock at the

858
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: champion and you've got to beat the champion take the

859
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: belt off him. You've got to do something special. Yeah,

860
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: and they did that tonight made the Broncos beat Muhammad Ali.

861
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Penris attack, Penris attack was I would say

862
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: it was a lot better than Broncos attack. But Broncos

863
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: just they were just resilient. They hung in there. A

864
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: lot of their tries didn't come from a lot of

865
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: classy stuff. Their first try they were very lucky to

866
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: get that first try in the second half because they'd

867
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: had a really clunky set. Ben Hunt goes out the

868
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: wrong way, finds it to Adam Reynolds and it was

869
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: it was Catoni Stagg's who just said, there's nothing on here.

870
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm just going to give ran On an option. He

871
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: pointed for the kick and a real good chase and

872
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: he ends up scoring the try. But their actual attacking

873
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: shape was very clunky. Wasn't actually that great.

874
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, Coop, that is so true

875
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: because you look at the two sides, right, Penris are

876
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: just cold blow the killers and they just went to

877
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: bet their work with as they always do, with just

878
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: cold blooded precision. Where Broncos are I would say, far

879
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: more emotional team. Emotional teams, you know, and teams who

880
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: got emotional individuals. They tend to ride the roller coaster

881
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: a little bit and lead sometimes to inconsistencies. But that

882
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: was watching the tail of the tape. It was the

883
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Broncos emotion that got them home. It was their emotion

884
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: that they just kept turning up and finding a way,

885
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: finding a way to stay in the contest. The emotion

886
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: that they just kept turning up in the fence. They

887
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: found a way to get to get down the other

888
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: end of the field, found a way to score reno

889
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: exhausted right hamstring gone, found a way bang knock it

890
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: over to win the game. It was always like I

891
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: think their performance was just built on raw emotion.

892
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: This and I thought the Broncos back five were unbelievable.

893
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: I thought, well, they did it out of their own end,

894
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: particularly their their wingers. They did such a good job

895
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: out of their end. But my back fence player, for

896
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: that reason of emotion, it was actually Katony Stags. I

897
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: thought there was a lot of good players, but I

898
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: think if Catni Stags wasn't out there, I don't think

899
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 2: they win. I do not think they win. And it's

900
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: not because of the try they set up. But I

901
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: thought that that try that he called for for Rena

902
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: to kick to him, it was at a it was

903
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: a real turning point in their attitude what he did,

904
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: and it was it was a testament to his attitude

905
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 2: because everyone was kind of on the back foot waiting

906
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: for Reno and reeswas to do something, and he just went,

907
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: fuck that, I'm going to give him an option and

908
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to chase this hard ends up scoring. But

909
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: even some of his carries out of the backfield, Katony

910
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: just really wound up and just get a one on

911
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: one with someone like his. His aggression and attitude I

912
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: thought just turned the tie.

913
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: Awesome, what an awesome player. And and kerp he Katoni's

914
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: Wellington boy, Wellington, New South Wales. It's really I spent

915
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: me and your uncle Joe, we spent a little bit

916
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: of time and the Nate Okwick that we went there

917
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: one year for about four or five days with Chop

918
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: Mundine and where's Patton and some of those boys, and

919
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: really it's a big indigenous community. There a lot of

920
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: great sportsmen that's initiate, but it's an area that has

921
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges as well. And he's a Wellington boy.

922
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: Some great players coming out of that Wellington area, but

923
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: he's a Wellington boy. And Gordon told me when he

924
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: got picked up by the Broncos, he played for Redcliffe,

925
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: which at that point was their fooder club. And an

926
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: old bloke who'd been at Redcliffe basically you know, for

927
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: something like fifty years as an old old footy bloke,

928
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: said to good once he said, we've just got this

929
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: kid arrived at our club from Wellington. He said, I've

930
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: never seen anyone like him. Now, this is the blake

931
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: that's been at this proud like great club Wellington which

932
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Arthur Boutsen have played at Welling at Redcliffe with this

933
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: kid that arrived at this Redcliffe club with great tradition.

934
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: This old bloke soon them all and said that kid,

935
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. And as far as

936
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: I would say physicality as an athlete, I love the

937
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: thing in the I've seen vision in the sheds when

938
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: he first come as young blaking at the Broncos and

939
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: they're all celebrating after win, and he literally in his

940
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: boots in the dressing room does a backflip lands and

941
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: then does the front lands.

942
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: I haven't seen someone as individually athletic. I Reckon, I

943
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: remember KATONI stays two thousand and it might have been

944
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: twenty and eighteen that going back that far, I don't

945
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: think he played first grade yet. But we were the

946
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: Sunny Coast Falcons. He was playing for Redcliffe Dolphins the

947
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: Broncos Feeder YEP at that time, and he put three

948
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: tries on he was called a hat trick in the

949
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: second half against us, and was me and him are

950
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: the same age, but he was so so unbelievably athletic.

951
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: We were both about eighteen at the time, and he

952
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: looked made grown man, looked like kids out there. And

953
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: then there was even that highlight that he had against

954
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: the Dragons. I think it was like twenty twenty and

955
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: they gave him early ball and you and Akim was

956
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: opposite him, and you give him this fan and you

957
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: and Aiken, who's so strong for those that have played

958
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: against you and aken you and Aiken literally like nearly

959
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: flips on his head and does a backflip. He fends

960
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: him so hard ends up going like eighty meters and scoring.

961
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, Katny Katney is indigenous, but he's also his memory

962
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: for his tongue as well. And it's like Tomata tah

963
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: Tamara was Indigenous but also was some oen. Yeah, fucking unbelievable,

964
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Like unbelievable. That's two incredible.

965
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: Bloodlines, you know what I mean, like genetically Yeah, incredible.

966
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Now look my back, my back fence player is it's

967
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: going to get on the losing side because I just

968
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: thought it was old school and I loved it. Liam

969
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: Martin were the one where Ezra come over and give

970
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Nathan hit the rough and may he just come charging

971
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: over and just jammed Ezra from side on. That's how

972
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. Blokes like that protecting your halfback.

973
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: That's what the game has always been built on, the

974
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: big blokes protecting their playmate. I thought it was great.

975
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: Shout out to Green akin to a fish out of

976
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: that game. I thought I thought he did a great

977
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: job because would be very easy for some of the

978
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: rest to go, oh, you know, like because there's a

979
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: bit of push and shaf not much in it, like

980
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of slapping and the other, but to

981
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: send someone off and I was going, I don't send

982
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: someone off in this game right now. He had a

983
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: good ability. Actually, Green Akins are just letting the game

984
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: flow and allowing them to be fatigued because we don't

985
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: have a great ending like that. If he doesn't allow

986
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: that game.

987
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I want to give a wrap to the referees. I'm

988
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: telling you right now, right Bill Harrigan was once in

989
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: a lifetime like as a faux referee, his temperament and

990
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: his ego to allow him to sort of even stand

991
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: over some of the greats of the game and hold

992
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: the game and he's in his in his fist. But

993
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: the refereeing these is, I'm telling you it's never been better.

994
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: They don't miss much, they don't and Mate, it's it's

995
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: it's one of Australian Australian sports favorite things, best Sports West,

996
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: best at that's referee bashing telling you, Mate, some of

997
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: the decisions today that he made on the run, we're

998
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: fucking outstanding. And I want to give the linesman of

999
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: a rap. When the Casey McClain intercept, like Casey McLain

1000
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: that one where Reees Walsh was reesewalth through the ball

1001
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: and the interceptor went and he was away and scored.

1002
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Now that wins the game. It was, mate, Casey was

1003
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: one step off side touch. He picked that up. That

1004
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: that is that is remark. That is remarkable, tear the

1005
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: speed of the game. Now you look at how fatigue

1006
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: the players get with the speed of the game. That

1007
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: one referee, Mate, He's controlling everything out there. Mate, I'm

1008
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: telling you, like, seriously, those blokes do a good job.

1009
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 4: That doesn't get spoken enough about. I reckon with everyone

1010
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 4: talking about the new the new rules since COVID and

1011
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 4: all the like. You know, the referees caught that much flak,

1012
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 4: and they've caught flak for the entirety of the game's existence,

1013
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 4: but the rules of only I've done nothing but get

1014
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: faster and for a position where refs are got to

1015
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 4: cover more k's and make these crucial decisions under pressure,

1016
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: but more importantly or more dramatically under fatigue, it only

1017
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: makes their job so much harder. You know, I'm surprised,

1018
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: like people go, I don't know why they go to

1019
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 4: more scrutiny. Yeah, I don't know why they go to

1020
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 4: the video ref so much. Again, honestly, if I was

1021
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: out there doing it like I'd be.

1022
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: I'd be losing a ship after it mate the mate.

1023
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: It is like the speed of the game. There's so

1024
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: many variables in rugby league as well. And and yeah,

1025
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: it's I just want to give map. I thought that

1026
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: his performance today was fantastic. And I think the I

1027
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: think this refereeing crisis we are talking it is so

1028
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: dramatically overblown. I mean, really that those those blokes and

1029
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: the ladies in the game as well, who referee, they

1030
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: do fucking outstanding his job, a job that has gets

1031
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: very very few plaud it's mainly just almost always scorning criticism.

1032
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've wrapped him enough. You do want to say something.

1033
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: Let's say something bad about him as well.

1034
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: But I do want to Well, I know what green Akkins.

1035
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: I know one thing I will say bad about that

1036
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: was our your mother Trish, who can befriend anybody all

1037
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: the time. After I did the commentary in the Vegas

1038
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: that physit went down, she befriends green Atkins's wife, who

1039
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know at the moment. I didn't know at

1040
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: that time was his wife. Go on, so and so, oh, okay,

1041
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: you're really nice to me, and I'm looking over the

1042
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: shoulder and They've got all these fucking cocktails with green

1043
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: Adkins's wife's friends and everything, and goes you pay I

1044
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: fucking three hundred and thirty dollars US plus.

1045
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: Tip, did you timid.

1046
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Fucking fire it's made? It was basically three hundred fucking

1047
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars Australian.

1048
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: One, last one, last round. I do want to tip

1049
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: my hat to the Panworth Panthers club for five and

1050
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: arowbits they were this year. And you know, there was

1051
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: a part of me that they didn't want to see

1052
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: him in the Grand Final just for just for different purposes,

1053
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: just to see Storm not play Penrith, because that's that's

1054
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: like groundhole day. But that club and that culture is

1055
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: bloody amazing. And I particularly blokes like Nathan Cleary, who

1056
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: a lot of teams they try to get one percent,

1057
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: They try to get any edge they can one percent

1058
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: better every day by bringing him breathing coaches, mental coaches.

1059
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: But a bloat like Nathan Cleary, and he spoke about

1060
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: it in the media and whatnot, even when he was

1061
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: talking about how he's been reading up on the Samurai

1062
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: shit like that, Like he's a bloke that a lot

1063
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: of players go in and they'll the resources the club

1064
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: applies to them, like recovery and mental coaches. They'll use

1065
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: them when they're in the club, but when they go

1066
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: home they have a breakaway from football. Nathan's the kind

1067
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 2: of guy that as soon as he leaves the club,

1068
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: he goes home, he'll do reading on his own and

1069
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: try to try to learn from all these other avenues,

1070
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: try to adopt all these different analogies lessons that he

1071
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: can bring into his own game. I got to tip

1072
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: my hat to him because they're an unbelievable playing.

1073
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Squad, fantastic, mate brilliant. I thought they'd win the conferences

1074
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: and went into the eight. I just thought they win it.

1075
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: It's taken a very very special effort from a special

1076
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: team to beat them. But they are class through and through, honestly,

1077
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: And in the postmatch press conference, the way that Ivan

1078
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: and Nathan, but I Evenant did the majority of the talk,

1079
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: and the way he handled it, it's just a class act.

1080
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have known with Ivan whether he won or lost,

1081
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: and he was very made. He was so gracious, and yeah,

1082
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: the whole organization's class. Do you know how I love

1083
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: my stuff and my reading. I wonder if Nathan would

1084
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: be interested in my knowledge on the samurai. Probably not really, okay,

1085
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: because do you know what happened to the samurai? Like,

1086
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: so the samurai people might find this interesting?

1087
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, they might.

1088
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: You know that you've heard the Yakusa.

1089
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a Japanese game, Yeah, the Japanese mafia.

1090
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: So it was Yakusa is is a dice game you play, right,

1091
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: they play and the worst three when the dice roll

1092
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: the worst, the worst three combination you can have is

1093
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: ya ku za. That's where they got Yakusa mean bad, right.

1094
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: So what happened was there's been evidence around this during

1095
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: civilization for a long time human civilization. So the Samurai

1096
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: were brought in as you know, when the wars were

1097
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: going on, you know, you know, during the Edo area

1098
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: with a showgun and whatnot. But what happened is when

1099
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: those wars ended, right, and the samurai suddenly they didn't

1100
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: need the samurai. They were like, well, what are we

1101
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: going to do with our skills? What are we going

1102
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: to do? And a lot of them formed mafia gangs

1103
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: of type. Yeah, and when a lot of them started

1104
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: the Yakusa because they had nothing else to do, and

1105
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: the same thing happened with when you hear about pirates,

1106
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: the pirates now, but people always think about pirates that

1107
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: pirates were, you know, from the from the Caribbean and everything.

1108
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: Now most pirates from England, from Bristol and England, because

1109
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: what happened was England had this amazing naval fleet, but

1110
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: after they finally beat the Spanish or Martyr, there was

1111
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: nothing for all those young navy guys to do for

1112
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: the naval fleets, so they all broke away and become pirateers.

1113
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: So Blackbeard his real name was Edward Thatch. He was

1114
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: a stand up guy from Bristol who was a naval

1115
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: officer who became a pirate because he didn't have a

1116
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: job anymore. So that for me is for you to

1117
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: give to Nathan my history of the samurai.

1118
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Nathan only likes things that lessons that

1119
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: he can actually use for helpful for football. That's your opinion,

1120
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: it's not my opinion. I think it's true a waste

1121
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: of everyone's time.