1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:13,321 Speaker 1: Apodjay Production. Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy 2 00:00:13,361 --> 00:00:16,921 Speaker 1: and I'm Tiana. This podcast is about female empowerment. 3 00:00:16,521 --> 00:00:19,241 Speaker 2: And encouraging you to be your biggest, boldest, and most 4 00:00:19,281 --> 00:00:20,881 Speaker 2: authentic version of yourself. 5 00:00:21,041 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level. 6 00:00:23,401 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone 7 00:00:26,321 --> 00:00:29,401 Speaker 1: else is too afraid to talk about. Get ready for 8 00:00:29,441 --> 00:00:30,841 Speaker 1: your next level of self. 9 00:00:31,881 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of She Rises with your favorite. 10 00:00:34,441 --> 00:00:36,681 Speaker 1: Hosts Ashy and Tiana. 11 00:00:36,801 --> 00:00:40,241 Speaker 2: Today's a little bit of a controversial topic because we 12 00:00:40,321 --> 00:00:44,001 Speaker 2: had a very controversial person basically want to come on 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:44,561 Speaker 2: the podcast. 14 00:00:44,721 --> 00:00:47,561 Speaker 1: Yes, and we hesitated. We did awesome. 15 00:00:47,641 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: We even spoke about it a little bit on our 16 00:00:49,241 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: social media and we kind of wanted to give you 17 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: a rundown of kind of what happened, how we got 18 00:00:53,361 --> 00:00:56,201 Speaker 2: to the conclusion of not allowing this person on the podcast, 19 00:00:56,241 --> 00:00:58,201 Speaker 2: and why we kind of came to that conclusion. 20 00:00:58,561 --> 00:01:00,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, it stirred a lot up online. We did a 21 00:01:00,721 --> 00:01:03,281 Speaker 1: video just saying, hey, with this person's approach us wanted 22 00:01:03,281 --> 00:01:04,881 Speaker 1: to come online. We're not even gonna say the person's 23 00:01:04,921 --> 00:01:07,121 Speaker 1: name because a part of our reason why we're not 24 00:01:07,161 --> 00:01:08,641 Speaker 1: bringing this person on is because we don't want to 25 00:01:08,641 --> 00:01:10,761 Speaker 1: give them the airtime. We don't think it aligned, it 26 00:01:10,761 --> 00:01:15,241 Speaker 1: doesn't align with our values, and it really ruffled a 27 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:19,121 Speaker 1: few feathers, but we can totally understand why. Absolutely. Yeah. 28 00:01:19,241 --> 00:01:22,041 Speaker 2: So Katie and Ja, our producers, came to us and 29 00:01:22,081 --> 00:01:25,161 Speaker 2: said that the pr team of this very specific person 30 00:01:25,321 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: in the sex work industry who is very much to 31 00:01:28,601 --> 00:01:30,161 Speaker 2: the extremes of sex work. 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,001 Speaker 1: Is it even sex work what she does? I don't sure. 33 00:01:32,241 --> 00:01:34,521 Speaker 2: She's kind of in her own leg ory of her 34 00:01:34,601 --> 00:01:36,761 Speaker 2: own and came and said that she wanted to come 35 00:01:36,761 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: on the podcast. And when we both first heard it, 36 00:01:39,721 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: we didn't know how to feel. We kind of quite 37 00:01:41,521 --> 00:01:43,001 Speaker 2: a little bit because were on the phone to each 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: other and we were just like, oh, I don't know 39 00:01:45,761 --> 00:01:46,401 Speaker 2: how this feels. 40 00:01:46,441 --> 00:01:48,761 Speaker 1: I think our intuition straight away were like no, yeah. 41 00:01:48,841 --> 00:01:51,441 Speaker 1: But we're also very open minded people. We're very curious people. 42 00:01:51,441 --> 00:01:53,881 Speaker 1: We love understanding human psychology. White people do what they do, 43 00:01:54,321 --> 00:01:56,121 Speaker 1: So there's a part of us who are like, I'm 44 00:01:56,161 --> 00:01:59,001 Speaker 1: actually really curious, like, yes, what goes through her head? 45 00:01:59,041 --> 00:02:00,841 Speaker 1: How did she get to where she is? Not in 46 00:02:00,881 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: a good way, but like as a little girl, as 47 00:02:02,801 --> 00:02:05,521 Speaker 1: a teenager, like what happened to make you want to 48 00:02:05,561 --> 00:02:08,361 Speaker 1: do the things that you're doing? And I got really curious. 49 00:02:08,441 --> 00:02:11,361 Speaker 2: Absolutely, But like at first I was like, no, like 50 00:02:11,641 --> 00:02:13,561 Speaker 2: I don't I think about what she does and I'm like, 51 00:02:13,761 --> 00:02:16,681 Speaker 2: you've literally sent women back hundreds of years really like 52 00:02:16,841 --> 00:02:19,121 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're undoing all of the work that we're doing, 53 00:02:19,561 --> 00:02:21,881 Speaker 2: you know, And I just like it was so conflicting 54 00:02:21,921 --> 00:02:23,721 Speaker 2: with a lot of my values that I was just like, 55 00:02:23,761 --> 00:02:26,441 Speaker 2: oh my god, I actually don't know how we would 56 00:02:26,441 --> 00:02:28,841 Speaker 2: interview her. And we were having this conversation of how 57 00:02:28,881 --> 00:02:31,681 Speaker 2: would we interview her without putting our own projections on her, 58 00:02:31,721 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: of like us thinking that what she's doing is wrong? Yes, 59 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:36,521 Speaker 2: you know even as she you were saying, you know, 60 00:02:36,561 --> 00:02:37,921 Speaker 2: I want to make it know and if I'm sitting 61 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,521 Speaker 2: in front of her, I'm not her friend. Yeah, I'm 62 00:02:39,561 --> 00:02:41,001 Speaker 2: not going to sit here and be her friend. 63 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:42,881 Speaker 1: If you out it was out. 64 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,041 Speaker 2: But you're passionate about your beliefs and what's important to you. 65 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,681 Speaker 1: Yeah, women, and what we stand for and what does 66 00:02:48,721 --> 00:02:51,161 Speaker 1: feel right for me? And of course little girls are 67 00:02:51,201 --> 00:02:52,161 Speaker 1: watching as well, like. 68 00:02:52,161 --> 00:02:54,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, but also to make it known that it's like, hey, 69 00:02:54,481 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: like we may be sitting here across from you, but 70 00:02:56,041 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: we don't condone what you're doing. No, this is not 71 00:02:57,841 --> 00:03:00,081 Speaker 2: in alignment with what it is that we stand for 72 00:03:00,161 --> 00:03:03,321 Speaker 2: here even No, we don't support what you do. And 73 00:03:03,361 --> 00:03:05,361 Speaker 2: so we were thinking about all the ways it, like 74 00:03:05,721 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: what that dynamic or that experience might actually look like 75 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,721 Speaker 2: if we said no, if we said yes, you know, 76 00:03:10,881 --> 00:03:15,041 Speaker 2: how would we approach the situation, what questions we would ask? Yeah, 77 00:03:15,201 --> 00:03:16,081 Speaker 2: all of those sorts of things. 78 00:03:16,201 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: It was really cool because we spoke to Steve a 79 00:03:17,561 --> 00:03:19,081 Speaker 1: bad and we also spoke to your dad about it 80 00:03:19,081 --> 00:03:22,081 Speaker 1: as well, and they had really different perspectives and caoll 81 00:03:22,081 --> 00:03:24,321 Speaker 1: opinions and gave us ideas of different topics we could 82 00:03:24,321 --> 00:03:26,281 Speaker 1: talk about and how we approached it. And so we 83 00:03:26,281 --> 00:03:28,321 Speaker 1: started to lean into oh, like, maybe we could have 84 00:03:28,361 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: this interview and really like actually rip her mask off 85 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,001 Speaker 1: and get to who she really really is and not 86 00:03:34,041 --> 00:03:37,081 Speaker 1: break her down, but kind of like the whole vulnerable 87 00:03:37,121 --> 00:03:39,921 Speaker 1: side of her. Yeah, And then we did a video 88 00:03:39,961 --> 00:03:42,521 Speaker 1: online saying on TikTok, I think we think about getting 89 00:03:42,561 --> 00:03:44,001 Speaker 1: this personal on what do you guys think? We're a 90 00:03:44,041 --> 00:03:47,841 Speaker 1: bit unsure and WoT being it. A lot of women 91 00:03:47,921 --> 00:03:53,121 Speaker 1: were very angry, very triggered, very upset, opinionated on why 92 00:03:53,201 --> 00:03:56,201 Speaker 1: I shouldn't, and also just like why would you give 93 00:03:56,201 --> 00:03:58,801 Speaker 1: her the platform, Like it's disgusting you would align yourself 94 00:03:58,841 --> 00:04:00,481 Speaker 1: with her, Like I'm not going to listen to the 95 00:04:00,481 --> 00:04:03,041 Speaker 1: podcast if you do this. We could really see it 96 00:04:03,081 --> 00:04:05,881 Speaker 1: was really triggering. And I also didn't know the extent 97 00:04:05,961 --> 00:04:08,321 Speaker 1: of the way she like rage baits women, so I 98 00:04:08,361 --> 00:04:09,961 Speaker 1: didn't know that was a thing. So when that was 99 00:04:10,001 --> 00:04:12,881 Speaker 1: brought forward to me too, I was like, oh, absolutely not. Yeah. 100 00:04:12,921 --> 00:04:15,201 Speaker 2: So for just for some context, my sister was telling 101 00:04:15,201 --> 00:04:17,681 Speaker 2: me about the documentary, so she had watched the documentary 102 00:04:17,681 --> 00:04:21,761 Speaker 2: that she created, and apparently in that she says, I 103 00:04:21,921 --> 00:04:24,241 Speaker 2: don't target men, I target the women. 104 00:04:24,601 --> 00:04:26,601 Speaker 1: I the target the wives, and. 105 00:04:26,521 --> 00:04:29,921 Speaker 2: I target like speaking about their sons and their husbands, 106 00:04:29,961 --> 00:04:32,841 Speaker 2: because that's who like, if I rage bait them, They're 107 00:04:32,841 --> 00:04:34,401 Speaker 2: going to go and tell their husbands. They're going to 108 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: go tell their sons, and then their sons and husbands 109 00:04:36,481 --> 00:04:38,481 Speaker 2: are going to come to me. And I just like 110 00:04:38,601 --> 00:04:40,601 Speaker 2: was so mind blown at the fact that this is 111 00:04:40,641 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: what she does, because you can see that what she 112 00:04:43,761 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: does works unfortunately, Like you can see how passionate and 113 00:04:47,481 --> 00:04:50,561 Speaker 2: angry and frustrated and like that anger that comes through 114 00:04:50,601 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: with women because of what she's doing, you know, making 115 00:04:53,601 --> 00:04:56,321 Speaker 2: it okay for like people's husbands to come and go 116 00:04:56,401 --> 00:04:58,161 Speaker 2: and sleep with her and have sex and kind of 117 00:04:58,201 --> 00:05:01,201 Speaker 2: like go outside of the marriage commitment, you know, and 118 00:05:01,241 --> 00:05:04,401 Speaker 2: make it like something that's okayamalize it in this generation, 119 00:05:04,521 --> 00:05:07,241 Speaker 2: which is, you know, against a lot of people's values 120 00:05:07,281 --> 00:05:10,161 Speaker 2: of union and monogamy. 121 00:05:10,801 --> 00:05:13,561 Speaker 1: And then we got a DM from someone that we 122 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,841 Speaker 1: know of who I suppose doesn't work in the sex 123 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,121 Speaker 1: industry space, but kind of and she was assuming and 124 00:05:21,721 --> 00:05:25,521 Speaker 1: making an accusation that we don't support sex workers, yeah, 125 00:05:25,561 --> 00:05:27,681 Speaker 1: and the sex industry, And that's absolutely not true, not 126 00:05:27,681 --> 00:05:29,001 Speaker 1: sru at all. I have a friend that does it. 127 00:05:29,081 --> 00:05:31,521 Speaker 1: I know plenty of women that do. OnlyFans. Yeah, I've 128 00:05:31,561 --> 00:05:33,761 Speaker 1: got a friend that's an escort. Like, I have no 129 00:05:33,801 --> 00:05:35,481 Speaker 1: problems so that you do you, Yeah, But this is 130 00:05:35,521 --> 00:05:39,041 Speaker 1: like another level of offering a service. I don't put 131 00:05:39,041 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: her in the category of being an escort, yes, or 132 00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:45,081 Speaker 1: a stripar yes, or an exotic dancer. No, we're a 133 00:05:45,161 --> 00:05:46,161 Speaker 1: professional girlfriend. 134 00:05:46,241 --> 00:05:49,561 Speaker 2: What she's doing is not like teaching safe sex or 135 00:05:50,121 --> 00:05:53,361 Speaker 2: sexual autonomy. I mean, maybe she might perceive it that way, 136 00:05:54,201 --> 00:05:56,921 Speaker 2: and maybe in her eyes that's what she's doing, but 137 00:05:57,001 --> 00:05:59,201 Speaker 2: it's just like so far to the extreme that it's 138 00:05:59,241 --> 00:06:01,721 Speaker 2: normalizing a lot of unhealthy things for women, and also 139 00:06:02,121 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: I believe like normalizing a lot of unhealthy viewpoint of 140 00:06:05,961 --> 00:06:07,721 Speaker 2: women for men. Yeah. 141 00:06:07,801 --> 00:06:10,481 Speaker 1: I really like how Kayla Jay talks about the sex 142 00:06:10,521 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: industry because I think she has normalized a little bit 143 00:06:13,801 --> 00:06:16,281 Speaker 1: more where people aren't so judge you on that work. 144 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,961 Speaker 1: And I'm not judging on the work either, Like you 145 00:06:18,001 --> 00:06:20,001 Speaker 1: do you if you love sex, you love variety, and 146 00:06:20,041 --> 00:06:21,481 Speaker 1: you want to get paid for doing it, Yeah, by 147 00:06:21,521 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: your mean yes, and go do your thing. But she 148 00:06:23,761 --> 00:06:25,961 Speaker 1: also has done plenty of videos where she's like, this 149 00:06:26,001 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: work is not easy, this work is hard, this work 150 00:06:28,841 --> 00:06:32,561 Speaker 1: is dangerous, this work impacts my mental health. So she's 151 00:06:32,601 --> 00:06:34,681 Speaker 1: not glorifying and that's why she stopped doing the money 152 00:06:34,681 --> 00:06:36,841 Speaker 1: counts as well. She's not glorifying it so young eighteen 153 00:06:36,921 --> 00:06:39,481 Speaker 1: years like, Wow, that looks easy. Yeah, I want to 154 00:06:39,521 --> 00:06:41,121 Speaker 1: go do that? Do that? How do I work nine 155 00:06:41,161 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: to five for a week when I can make as 156 00:06:42,601 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: much money doing a one hour booking? Like she's not 157 00:06:44,801 --> 00:06:47,601 Speaker 1: glorifying like that. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that 158 00:06:47,641 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: because that really upset me that someone else thought that 159 00:06:50,001 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: we were against other women doing that. It's not what 160 00:06:52,481 --> 00:06:54,801 Speaker 1: we personally choose to do, But it doesn't mean that 161 00:06:54,801 --> 00:06:57,681 Speaker 1: we are judging and not accepting other people doing it. 162 00:06:57,761 --> 00:07:00,241 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. This is a different kettle of fish, like 163 00:07:00,281 --> 00:07:01,481 Speaker 1: it's a whole new layer. 164 00:07:01,601 --> 00:07:03,441 Speaker 2: Yes, So it was just this person snap judgment of 165 00:07:03,481 --> 00:07:06,681 Speaker 2: the way that she perceived what we were show casing and granted, like, 166 00:07:06,721 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how it is that we worded it, 167 00:07:08,801 --> 00:07:10,201 Speaker 2: but in no way, shape or form, what will we be 168 00:07:10,241 --> 00:07:12,121 Speaker 2: shaming or judging or anything like that. It was just like, 169 00:07:12,401 --> 00:07:13,641 Speaker 2: does this person align with us? 170 00:07:13,721 --> 00:07:14,441 Speaker 1: I don't think so? 171 00:07:14,721 --> 00:07:16,761 Speaker 2: Is this what we want to condone for our audience 172 00:07:16,761 --> 00:07:19,001 Speaker 2: and to showcase that we actually enable? 173 00:07:19,321 --> 00:07:21,441 Speaker 1: No, it's not. And if we had her on, we're 174 00:07:21,481 --> 00:07:23,841 Speaker 1: giving her a platform, we're giving her airtime, and we're 175 00:07:23,841 --> 00:07:27,601 Speaker 1: potentially sending a husbands and like more traffic, yeah, more 176 00:07:27,641 --> 00:07:30,761 Speaker 1: traffic to her and upsetting our audience. You could see 177 00:07:30,761 --> 00:07:33,521 Speaker 1: how upset our audience got. And we will always do 178 00:07:33,561 --> 00:07:35,961 Speaker 1: it feels right for us, especially if we believe there's 179 00:07:36,081 --> 00:07:39,481 Speaker 1: a empowering or an attention behind it that can help. 180 00:07:39,641 --> 00:07:40,961 Speaker 1: But when it came down to it, I was like, 181 00:07:41,361 --> 00:07:44,841 Speaker 1: this upsets our community this much. Absolutely not. Yeah, no way, Like, 182 00:07:44,881 --> 00:07:47,761 Speaker 1: we love our community, we respect them, we respect their opinions. 183 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:49,961 Speaker 1: We wanted to live the episodes that they want to hear. 184 00:07:50,521 --> 00:07:52,401 Speaker 1: There was a couple that were interested, like, you know, 185 00:07:52,481 --> 00:07:55,241 Speaker 1: curious like we were, but most of you are like, 186 00:07:55,281 --> 00:07:57,681 Speaker 1: absolutely not. So we felt really good in our decision 187 00:07:57,681 --> 00:07:59,641 Speaker 1: to not have her on. Yeah. I've seen her on 188 00:07:59,761 --> 00:08:02,241 Speaker 1: so many other podcasts lately. She's obviously trying to get 189 00:08:02,281 --> 00:08:05,041 Speaker 1: out there and we're based out there more. But Yeah, 190 00:08:05,041 --> 00:08:06,801 Speaker 1: just came one day and we were like, oh, we're 191 00:08:06,801 --> 00:08:08,641 Speaker 1: both on the same page. It's a no hey, We're 192 00:08:08,641 --> 00:08:10,481 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, Yeah. 193 00:08:10,561 --> 00:08:13,601 Speaker 2: I think even the people who are hosting her, I'm 194 00:08:13,641 --> 00:08:17,121 Speaker 2: copping a lot of backlash for having her. Yeah, And granted, 195 00:08:17,161 --> 00:08:19,881 Speaker 2: obviously she does really well at triggering a lot of 196 00:08:19,881 --> 00:08:21,921 Speaker 2: people and activating a lot of emotion in a lot 197 00:08:21,921 --> 00:08:24,481 Speaker 2: of women, and obviously that's her role in what she's 198 00:08:24,521 --> 00:08:28,481 Speaker 2: doing and how she's trying to showcase herself. Yeah, but Yeah, 199 00:08:28,481 --> 00:08:30,121 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, just doesn't feel aligned, 200 00:08:30,441 --> 00:08:32,601 Speaker 2: and it didn't feel aligned from the very beginning. It 201 00:08:32,601 --> 00:08:35,041 Speaker 2: also doesn't fit into she rises at all. No, to 202 00:08:35,041 --> 00:08:37,361 Speaker 2: have her on here, rise up, to rise up and 203 00:08:37,401 --> 00:08:39,441 Speaker 2: to believe what we do and showcase what we do. 204 00:08:39,521 --> 00:08:41,881 Speaker 2: To have her on would be literally like a conflict 205 00:08:41,881 --> 00:08:44,441 Speaker 2: in our values. We would be so out of integrity 206 00:08:44,481 --> 00:08:45,721 Speaker 2: to like have her on and we were just like 207 00:08:45,961 --> 00:08:46,961 Speaker 2: absolutely fucking not. 208 00:08:47,241 --> 00:08:49,481 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I've interviewed a sex work before, which is 209 00:08:49,521 --> 00:08:52,201 Speaker 1: the Sciences not Lush the year before. Yeah, and I 210 00:08:52,241 --> 00:08:54,321 Speaker 1: love that conversation. It's super interesting. It's a world I've 211 00:08:54,361 --> 00:08:55,761 Speaker 1: never been a part of. And I'm like, wow, tell 212 00:08:55,801 --> 00:08:57,601 Speaker 1: me Moore, how does that work? And yeah, once again 213 00:08:57,641 --> 00:08:59,801 Speaker 1: it's like I wouldn't do it myself. It's not for me, 214 00:08:59,921 --> 00:09:02,401 Speaker 1: but like she was enjoying it. I'm like, good on you. 215 00:09:02,521 --> 00:09:04,521 Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, the story I feel like for me a 216 00:09:04,601 --> 00:09:07,361 Speaker 2: really cool interview to speak to somebody in the industry, 217 00:09:07,441 --> 00:09:09,721 Speaker 2: given that I know nothing about it. Yeah, and like 218 00:09:10,081 --> 00:09:12,801 Speaker 2: wouldn't know how things work and what you know, Like, 219 00:09:12,841 --> 00:09:14,121 Speaker 2: there's so many things that I think that they could 220 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:16,721 Speaker 2: teach you in terms of like a healthy sexual autonomy 221 00:09:16,801 --> 00:09:20,441 Speaker 2: and like connecting sexual alteration and all those different things. 222 00:09:20,201 --> 00:09:21,961 Speaker 1: You know, and safety as well. If there's any young 223 00:09:22,001 --> 00:09:23,601 Speaker 1: girls that are thinking that's the easy road out. I 224 00:09:23,601 --> 00:09:25,441 Speaker 1: would love to have someone on here that actually talks 225 00:09:25,441 --> 00:09:26,921 Speaker 1: about the darker side of it, because there is a 226 00:09:26,961 --> 00:09:27,561 Speaker 1: darker side of it. 227 00:09:27,681 --> 00:09:29,481 Speaker 2: That'd be a really interesting interview. Actually, it would be 228 00:09:29,601 --> 00:09:31,481 Speaker 2: we should get someone on. Yeah, we should get someone on. 229 00:09:31,641 --> 00:09:33,361 Speaker 2: Let us know if you'd like to hear that, Yeah, 230 00:09:33,481 --> 00:09:35,761 Speaker 2: would be cool. We had quite a few comments asking 231 00:09:35,801 --> 00:09:37,801 Speaker 2: if Kayla Jay could come on. I did see that, 232 00:09:38,041 --> 00:09:39,721 Speaker 2: Like from what I've heard, she's quite hard to book 233 00:09:39,721 --> 00:09:42,961 Speaker 2: in and yeah, very very in demand and a busy mama. 234 00:09:43,121 --> 00:09:45,161 Speaker 1: So yeah, if we can't get her on, I wonder 235 00:09:45,161 --> 00:09:46,801 Speaker 1: if if you guys have any suggestions or if you're 236 00:09:46,801 --> 00:09:48,561 Speaker 1: listening and you are an escort or a sex worker, 237 00:09:48,561 --> 00:09:49,361 Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you. 238 00:09:49,481 --> 00:09:50,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know. 239 00:09:50,281 --> 00:09:52,081 Speaker 1: That's something we could bring in. You guys could also 240 00:09:52,721 --> 00:09:54,681 Speaker 1: come onward and send us the questions you want us 241 00:09:54,721 --> 00:09:57,001 Speaker 1: to ask the sex verde. That would be cool, very 242 00:09:57,081 --> 00:10:00,681 Speaker 1: involved in the interview. Yeah, because once again we're curious humans. Yeah, 243 00:10:00,721 --> 00:10:02,201 Speaker 1: it's a different line of work not a lot of 244 00:10:02,201 --> 00:10:05,481 Speaker 1: people know much about, but it's interesting, absolutely interesting. 245 00:10:05,641 --> 00:10:07,361 Speaker 2: But yeah, let us know, Like if you're in our 246 00:10:07,401 --> 00:10:09,561 Speaker 2: Facebook forum or anything like that, let us know what 247 00:10:09,681 --> 00:10:12,681 Speaker 2: your perspective was on this, and yeah, if you were 248 00:10:12,761 --> 00:10:15,401 Speaker 2: like for or against her coming on, and how you 249 00:10:15,401 --> 00:10:17,561 Speaker 2: feel about our decision of like not having hers. 250 00:10:17,561 --> 00:10:19,081 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people still wanted us to 251 00:10:19,161 --> 00:10:21,121 Speaker 1: have her on. Yeah, I've got a few DMSA there 252 00:10:21,161 --> 00:10:22,841 Speaker 1: were more, and the dms not the comment. Yeah. 253 00:10:22,921 --> 00:10:26,121 Speaker 2: Even my dad actually his opinion was to have her on, 254 00:10:26,761 --> 00:10:29,081 Speaker 2: but to be really neutral about it. Like he's like you, yeah, 255 00:10:29,081 --> 00:10:32,321 Speaker 2: and if you're going to have somebody who's that controversial on, 256 00:10:32,561 --> 00:10:34,441 Speaker 2: you can't be going on and interviewing as a scorned 257 00:10:34,481 --> 00:10:36,601 Speaker 2: woman who's sitting here going, oh my god, what you're 258 00:10:36,601 --> 00:10:37,881 Speaker 2: doing is wrong and bad. He's like, You're going to 259 00:10:37,921 --> 00:10:39,601 Speaker 2: have to be really neutral about it, Like you have 260 00:10:39,721 --> 00:10:42,081 Speaker 2: to put your beliefs aside and interview her as somebody 261 00:10:42,121 --> 00:10:44,441 Speaker 2: who's totally neutral, just there to do a job. Yeah, 262 00:10:44,561 --> 00:10:46,801 Speaker 2: and to you know, extract from her what it is 263 00:10:46,841 --> 00:10:48,281 Speaker 2: that you're wanting to share with the audience. 264 00:10:48,441 --> 00:10:50,761 Speaker 1: Yeah. At the end of the day, she's a marketing woman. 265 00:10:51,001 --> 00:10:53,441 Speaker 1: She knows what she's doing so and she is so 266 00:10:53,681 --> 00:10:56,161 Speaker 1: well media changed. She has done these interviews over and 267 00:10:56,321 --> 00:10:58,441 Speaker 1: over and over again, and she has her exact response 268 00:10:58,481 --> 00:11:00,761 Speaker 1: for everything everyone's going to ask, and I think everyone 269 00:11:00,801 --> 00:11:02,601 Speaker 1: wants to break her down and see the real Yes, 270 00:11:02,681 --> 00:11:04,601 Speaker 1: the real her, and she knows exactly what to say 271 00:11:04,641 --> 00:11:07,801 Speaker 1: to get those moments, to get the views, to get 272 00:11:07,881 --> 00:11:09,721 Speaker 1: more ment on her page. Yeah, that's exactly what she's doing. 273 00:11:09,761 --> 00:11:11,521 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like we're not the first people who'd be like, oh, 274 00:11:11,521 --> 00:11:13,801 Speaker 2: we're gonna get the most vulnerable side to her and 275 00:11:13,921 --> 00:11:16,721 Speaker 2: you take her mask off. Every interviewer ever says that, 276 00:11:16,921 --> 00:11:19,401 Speaker 2: you know, they see the real, raw version of her, 277 00:11:19,441 --> 00:11:21,481 Speaker 2: and she's just like she's playing a role. She's got 278 00:11:21,521 --> 00:11:24,041 Speaker 2: it all down, pat Yeah, No, like she's wearing a mask. 279 00:11:24,241 --> 00:11:25,761 Speaker 2: She's done it for so long, it's like become who 280 00:11:25,801 --> 00:11:27,241 Speaker 2: she is. So she's very good at her yes, one 281 00:11:27,321 --> 00:11:29,681 Speaker 2: hundred percent. Yeah, So we decided not to I know 282 00:11:29,761 --> 00:11:32,241 Speaker 2: everyone wanted an update on that, so here it is. 283 00:11:32,481 --> 00:11:34,441 Speaker 2: But if you have someone you want us to bring on, yeah, 284 00:11:34,521 --> 00:11:36,561 Speaker 2: and you're curious and you're open minded, you're not going 285 00:11:36,601 --> 00:11:39,201 Speaker 2: to be a judging then let us know. Yeah, thanks 286 00:11:39,201 --> 00:11:39,681 Speaker 2: for joining us. 287 00:11:39,721 --> 00:11:40,921 Speaker 1: We'll see you on Monday. 288 00:11:41,121 --> 00:11:41,441 Speaker 2: Bye.