1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:17,041 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: Well for me, brother, you know, I understand. 3 00:00:19,841 --> 00:00:22,081 Speaker 1: You know, everyone has a journey, everyone has a story, 4 00:00:22,401 --> 00:00:24,441 Speaker 1: and I've just had the opportunity to share mine. And 5 00:00:24,481 --> 00:00:26,921 Speaker 1: this is another opportunity for me to share mine. 6 00:00:26,921 --> 00:00:27,201 Speaker 2: Brother. 7 00:00:28,161 --> 00:00:30,441 Speaker 1: You know, some some guys journeys and stories are more 8 00:00:30,441 --> 00:00:32,201 Speaker 1: hard out than others. But you know, we've all had 9 00:00:32,241 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: our own battles and certain areas. And in life, I 10 00:00:35,241 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: had an awesome upbringing, bro, you know, awesome mom and 11 00:00:37,521 --> 00:00:42,921 Speaker 1: dead food in the cupboards, heaps of love from mom. Yeah, 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,081 Speaker 1: a warm beard, So I had. I had a good 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,561 Speaker 1: upbringing in that sense. But I would say, you know, yeah, 14 00:00:48,561 --> 00:00:51,521 Speaker 1: the game, the game influence was very strong. It's it's 15 00:00:51,641 --> 00:00:53,761 Speaker 1: very strong, all my uncles and the mob. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: So you know a lot of. 17 00:00:54,881 --> 00:00:58,401 Speaker 1: People have have older people, you know, people that they 18 00:00:58,401 --> 00:01:00,801 Speaker 1: look up to, you know, people that they look up to, 19 00:01:01,081 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: rugby players, you know, actors and things like that. Well, 20 00:01:04,641 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: the guys we looked up to Mob members. Yeah, well, 21 00:01:09,161 --> 00:01:11,121 Speaker 1: you know, I'll be honest, I don'd look up to 22 00:01:11,161 --> 00:01:13,521 Speaker 1: my older brothers. And that you my older brothers looked 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,441 Speaker 1: up to as well. Was we're mob members. 24 00:01:15,881 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: You you talk, we talk among all mob I just 25 00:01:20,961 --> 00:01:22,681 Speaker 3: want to sort of put a diet a bit of 26 00:01:22,681 --> 00:01:25,121 Speaker 3: a perspective on it, because a lot of people don't 27 00:01:25,121 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: seem to understand the dire dynamics of community and growth 28 00:01:30,761 --> 00:01:35,041 Speaker 3: within the community in certain gang areas. How how was 29 00:01:35,081 --> 00:01:37,241 Speaker 3: that growing up within that, Like, you know that you're 30 00:01:37,241 --> 00:01:41,481 Speaker 3: looking up to mob brothers as you're grading older and 31 00:01:41,521 --> 00:01:43,601 Speaker 3: as a young person, you know, but yet you have 32 00:01:43,681 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: so many other gangs. 33 00:01:45,441 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: Around you in New Zealand. 34 00:01:47,601 --> 00:01:50,401 Speaker 3: How is that as an influence to want to actually 35 00:01:50,641 --> 00:01:53,001 Speaker 3: stick one hundred percent as a mob? 36 00:01:53,481 --> 00:01:53,681 Speaker 2: Yeah? 37 00:01:53,681 --> 00:01:55,641 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I guess if I look back, was 38 00:01:55,641 --> 00:01:57,961 Speaker 1: at a young age where I really you know, I 39 00:01:58,081 --> 00:02:01,921 Speaker 1: actually found that desire or had that desire to you 40 00:02:01,961 --> 00:02:02,721 Speaker 1: want to be like that? 41 00:02:03,241 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: Do you want to. 42 00:02:03,721 --> 00:02:06,761 Speaker 1: Be a mob? That's what I look at. That's what 43 00:02:06,841 --> 00:02:09,841 Speaker 1: looked attractive to me. So much love in that space 44 00:02:09,881 --> 00:02:12,841 Speaker 1: as well, you know, so much. Yeah, there's love and 45 00:02:12,881 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: that space, brother, and it's it's a love that. 46 00:02:16,921 --> 00:02:18,041 Speaker 2: You know, you have your. 47 00:02:17,921 --> 00:02:20,321 Speaker 1: Family love, but then you have their love. You have 48 00:02:20,441 --> 00:02:22,161 Speaker 1: that other type of love where it's like in a 49 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,641 Speaker 1: heart out space. You know, we had our things go on, 50 00:02:25,721 --> 00:02:28,601 Speaker 1: but there's all they love there. You know, there's their 51 00:02:28,721 --> 00:02:31,561 Speaker 1: care and there's their love. Yeah, it look cool in me, 52 00:02:31,601 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: abro It look cool, look cool when you know, seeing 53 00:02:35,881 --> 00:02:38,401 Speaker 1: the petch and driving the V eight and the. 54 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:40,841 Speaker 2: Cars and and. 55 00:02:40,601 --> 00:02:42,681 Speaker 1: Giving money to the kids, you know, and things like 56 00:02:42,761 --> 00:02:44,921 Speaker 1: that and asking you know, how are you and you 57 00:02:45,001 --> 00:02:47,361 Speaker 1: know what he's doing. Just things like that and really 58 00:02:47,361 --> 00:02:49,801 Speaker 1: made you like, oh, fow that that big scary guy. 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,961 Speaker 1: You know, he cares about me and just things like that. 60 00:02:53,001 --> 00:02:55,201 Speaker 1: So was at a young age where I actually found that, 61 00:02:55,841 --> 00:02:59,561 Speaker 1: where I found their love for the Mob. And and 62 00:02:59,641 --> 00:03:03,561 Speaker 1: like I mean to be honest, it's more that dominates 63 00:03:03,561 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: and Widal it's it's it's small that dominates there. And 64 00:03:06,601 --> 00:03:09,361 Speaker 1: it's all my uncles are in the Mob, you know, 65 00:03:10,321 --> 00:03:12,361 Speaker 1: pretty much all. 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,201 Speaker 2: The Mob and Witer. We're all related, we're all found. 67 00:03:14,561 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: When we talk about we'll call it a district, all right, 68 00:03:18,041 --> 00:03:22,161 Speaker 3: an area. So what is what is the sort of space? 69 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:24,361 Speaker 3: How many kilometers would it be? Or you know, how 70 00:03:24,401 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: big is the community or the town that is predominantly 71 00:03:28,121 --> 00:03:30,321 Speaker 3: Mob affiliated or connected. 72 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,561 Speaker 1: You know, I'd say I'd say ninety percent of wide 73 00:03:34,561 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: as Mob. 74 00:03:35,241 --> 00:03:35,921 Speaker 2: But then you have. 75 00:03:37,561 --> 00:03:39,761 Speaker 1: So you have the wide Old district which also has 76 00:03:39,961 --> 00:03:43,281 Speaker 1: you know, other little country places around it. 77 00:03:43,401 --> 00:03:45,521 Speaker 2: So you have like you have. 78 00:03:45,521 --> 00:03:49,761 Speaker 1: Roepunger, you have Maha New Hakker, and then you have 79 00:03:49,881 --> 00:03:54,081 Speaker 1: Fraser Town, you know, and where Ropunger and Fraser Town 80 00:03:54,801 --> 00:03:58,641 Speaker 1: there the one hundred percent black power. 81 00:03:59,681 --> 00:04:04,401 Speaker 2: Wow, they they're they're they're they're yeah, black power dominated 82 00:04:04,441 --> 00:04:04,841 Speaker 2: in those two. 83 00:04:05,081 --> 00:04:08,321 Speaker 1: It's the only small places, but they're black pilt dominated. 84 00:04:08,801 --> 00:04:10,641 Speaker 2: But we all, you know, we all fuck a Papa. 85 00:04:10,721 --> 00:04:12,801 Speaker 1: We all fuck pupa from the same lines, you know, 86 00:04:13,081 --> 00:04:16,241 Speaker 1: along the lines our ancestors and ancestors, we're all intertwined 87 00:04:16,281 --> 00:04:20,921 Speaker 1: to each other. Brother, I think we're probably about fourth 88 00:04:21,001 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: generation in the Mod four generation more, you know what 89 00:04:25,921 --> 00:04:28,681 Speaker 1: I mean. In the game four, we're like the fourth generation. 90 00:04:28,841 --> 00:04:33,561 Speaker 1: So you got you got me, then you've got my 91 00:04:33,801 --> 00:04:37,401 Speaker 1: uncle's and then you've got like a generation before them. 92 00:04:37,721 --> 00:04:40,601 Speaker 1: So we're probably about third fourth year, third fourth generation. 93 00:04:41,001 --> 00:04:42,881 Speaker 1: But then you got my you got the generation after 94 00:04:42,961 --> 00:04:44,681 Speaker 1: us that are coming up deep in it as well, 95 00:04:44,761 --> 00:04:47,841 Speaker 1: so they'll be like the fourth generation, if that's right. 96 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,361 Speaker 2: That's some deep bloodlines there. 97 00:04:49,401 --> 00:04:51,721 Speaker 3: And I think when you put that in perspective, and 98 00:04:51,761 --> 00:04:54,561 Speaker 3: why I want to really sort of give this a 99 00:04:54,561 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: little bit of a chat at the moment, is because 100 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,641 Speaker 3: I want people to get a real clear perspective from 101 00:04:58,721 --> 00:05:01,641 Speaker 3: someone who knows, because we all assume we will do 102 00:05:02,841 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: and none of us live there and live a life 103 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,041 Speaker 3: like Australia is very very different to any other country, 104 00:05:08,601 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: you know. And we talk about gang life, we talk 105 00:05:10,481 --> 00:05:13,801 Speaker 3: about crews and outlaw motorcycle clubs and all this sort 106 00:05:13,801 --> 00:05:17,281 Speaker 3: of stuff. Yeah, okay, we get the postcard wars here 107 00:05:17,281 --> 00:05:19,361 Speaker 3: and the young blokes out there, foreign knives and each 108 00:05:19,361 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: other and all this sort of stuff over but that 109 00:05:21,081 --> 00:05:24,801 Speaker 3: to me doesn't That's that's just silly stuff. When you 110 00:05:24,921 --> 00:05:31,001 Speaker 3: talk in generational gang connections, that's pretty hardcore. That's lockdown, 111 00:05:31,081 --> 00:05:32,681 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That is like you say 112 00:05:32,761 --> 00:05:36,281 Speaker 3: that this is our district, that is their district. How 113 00:05:36,361 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: is it though, and you just spoke that you're all 114 00:05:38,801 --> 00:05:42,801 Speaker 3: related in some way, But yet there's massive history there, 115 00:05:42,921 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: especially in those two gangs, of history that goes so 116 00:05:47,601 --> 00:05:51,761 Speaker 3: far back within the New Zealand culture and structure where 117 00:05:51,761 --> 00:05:53,361 Speaker 3: a lot of brothers have lost their lives, a lot 118 00:05:53,401 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: of brothers. Have you served a lot of jail time 119 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,081 Speaker 3: and still do to the day. You, of all people, 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,161 Speaker 3: have experienced that yourself and understand exactly what that's like 121 00:06:03,241 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: and we'll talk about that shortly. But you know, I 122 00:06:06,001 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: think people need to truly understand because they don't see 123 00:06:09,481 --> 00:06:13,001 Speaker 3: it from a generational point of view. You know, we 124 00:06:13,521 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: look at it and think, oh, okay, And as an 125 00:06:15,481 --> 00:06:18,201 Speaker 3: ex gang member myself of half my life and I'm 126 00:06:18,201 --> 00:06:21,681 Speaker 3: forty eight, I totally understand all the love of the 127 00:06:21,761 --> 00:06:25,601 Speaker 3: brotherhood and camaraderie and that family united feeling, and it's 128 00:06:25,601 --> 00:06:27,721 Speaker 3: avoid It is avoid once you step away from it. 129 00:06:28,401 --> 00:06:31,361 Speaker 2: I don't care who you are. If you've lived it right, then. 130 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:34,881 Speaker 3: It's always missed. But there's a lot of things there 131 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,721 Speaker 3: that you way up and you look at once you 132 00:06:37,721 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 3: start becoming a family man and you want to truly 133 00:06:39,761 --> 00:06:43,241 Speaker 3: live your life to your fullest, and doesn't always work 134 00:06:43,281 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: out that gang life is going to come with you 135 00:06:45,161 --> 00:06:47,321 Speaker 3: on that journey. But we wouldn't be where we are 136 00:06:47,361 --> 00:06:49,681 Speaker 3: today having this conversation had we had not walked in 137 00:06:49,721 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: these paths. I want people to understand how hard is 138 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,841 Speaker 3: it growing up as a generational future member to be 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,721 Speaker 3: able to break away from that and even decide as 140 00:06:59,761 --> 00:07:02,121 Speaker 3: a young person that nah, I'm not coming with your cousin. 141 00:07:02,281 --> 00:07:05,361 Speaker 3: I'm not going there, or being pulled safe for able 142 00:07:05,401 --> 00:07:07,681 Speaker 3: to the next district in into the black power scene 143 00:07:07,721 --> 00:07:09,601 Speaker 3: and you know then you've got your fune who over here. 144 00:07:09,641 --> 00:07:12,481 Speaker 3: That's all mongol mob. I mean, how does that go down? 145 00:07:12,601 --> 00:07:15,761 Speaker 3: How how does it go within? You guys seeing each 146 00:07:15,801 --> 00:07:16,881 Speaker 3: other on the street. 147 00:07:17,121 --> 00:07:19,601 Speaker 1: So you know they're they are they are there. I 148 00:07:19,681 --> 00:07:21,761 Speaker 1: know brothers that have you know, that's all they know. 149 00:07:22,041 --> 00:07:24,361 Speaker 1: You know, I know brothers that didn't get that upbringing 150 00:07:24,401 --> 00:07:27,081 Speaker 1: that I did. They're they're loving home, they're loving parents, 151 00:07:27,121 --> 00:07:29,601 Speaker 1: they're provided. And I know brothers that didn't have that. 152 00:07:29,801 --> 00:07:31,921 Speaker 1: You know, mongol mob was all they knew and that's 153 00:07:31,961 --> 00:07:34,201 Speaker 1: all they know to the state. So their passion and 154 00:07:34,241 --> 00:07:36,281 Speaker 1: their love is so strong and it's so deep. 155 00:07:36,641 --> 00:07:37,921 Speaker 2: You know. Where for me I. 156 00:07:38,241 --> 00:07:42,121 Speaker 1: Saught a it was something I wanted to be a brother. 157 00:07:42,121 --> 00:07:44,561 Speaker 1: I did have the opportunity to sort sort of see 158 00:07:44,561 --> 00:07:47,241 Speaker 1: other things in life. It was something I wanted to be, 159 00:07:47,601 --> 00:07:49,561 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to be a part of them all. 160 00:07:49,921 --> 00:07:52,361 Speaker 1: I wanted to wear a pitch. Even though at times 161 00:07:52,361 --> 00:07:54,761 Speaker 1: in my life I had opportunities to see other things, 162 00:07:54,841 --> 00:07:57,921 Speaker 1: I still always had their desire insigned me to to 163 00:07:58,001 --> 00:08:00,801 Speaker 1: be a mobster. Yeah, and when it comes to like 164 00:08:02,121 --> 00:08:04,521 Speaker 1: anything could anything could go off Abra and white or 165 00:08:04,841 --> 00:08:06,761 Speaker 1: it's a place where anything could go off. And that's 166 00:08:06,801 --> 00:08:10,601 Speaker 1: why the the fighting, the rivalry has been so strong 167 00:08:10,641 --> 00:08:13,561 Speaker 1: because it's our place where at any time where you 168 00:08:13,561 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: could just be going to the dairy and then being it's. 169 00:08:16,681 --> 00:08:18,801 Speaker 3: All on what could do you find though that do 170 00:08:18,841 --> 00:08:21,241 Speaker 3: you guys sort of crossover paths and go into black 171 00:08:21,281 --> 00:08:23,281 Speaker 3: powers sort of district and they come into yours or 172 00:08:23,361 --> 00:08:25,681 Speaker 3: unless that there is something that needs to be discussed 173 00:08:25,841 --> 00:08:28,481 Speaker 3: or business or what have you just keep out of 174 00:08:28,521 --> 00:08:31,001 Speaker 3: each other's sort of areas or you know, how does 175 00:08:31,041 --> 00:08:34,961 Speaker 3: it work there? Or will you I guess we will 176 00:08:35,081 --> 00:08:37,201 Speaker 3: understand the politics once it's gang life and all this 177 00:08:37,241 --> 00:08:39,001 Speaker 3: sort of stuff, and it can kick off exactly as 178 00:08:39,041 --> 00:08:41,601 Speaker 3: you say, from you know, some bad words. 179 00:08:42,281 --> 00:08:45,081 Speaker 1: If that was done there is. 180 00:08:45,121 --> 00:08:45,521 Speaker 2: Like a. 181 00:08:47,041 --> 00:08:49,201 Speaker 1: There are things that are put in place that can prevent, 182 00:08:49,281 --> 00:08:50,961 Speaker 1: you know, prevent those things from kicking off. 183 00:08:50,961 --> 00:08:52,881 Speaker 2: But then you have a younger generation. 184 00:08:52,521 --> 00:08:54,801 Speaker 1: That ain't too aware of those those things that have 185 00:08:54,881 --> 00:08:57,681 Speaker 1: been put in place where sometimes it can start down 186 00:08:57,721 --> 00:09:00,841 Speaker 1: here and then it builds up to the older ones, 187 00:09:00,881 --> 00:09:02,361 Speaker 1: and then you know, it's the older ones that are 188 00:09:02,361 --> 00:09:06,161 Speaker 1: cleaning things up, you know, not everyone, not everyone sees 189 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:09,561 Speaker 1: that there are things put in place sort of a 190 00:09:09,601 --> 00:09:12,601 Speaker 1: basic one as you know, don't don't we all don't. 191 00:09:12,361 --> 00:09:14,641 Speaker 2: We all colors in our area, We won't wear our 192 00:09:14,681 --> 00:09:16,281 Speaker 2: colors in your area, you know. 193 00:09:16,361 --> 00:09:19,761 Speaker 1: But you know they can't always be met abra and 194 00:09:19,801 --> 00:09:21,961 Speaker 1: so sometimes that's where things really kick off. 195 00:09:22,321 --> 00:09:23,521 Speaker 2: That's where things really kick off. 196 00:09:23,561 --> 00:09:26,121 Speaker 1: And then you've gotta you gotta remember sometimes these parties 197 00:09:26,161 --> 00:09:28,681 Speaker 1: and alcohol and all that stuff gets involved, so values 198 00:09:28,721 --> 00:09:30,841 Speaker 1: and that go straight up the door, you know, the 199 00:09:30,961 --> 00:09:34,441 Speaker 1: chest comes out in any things break out. 200 00:09:35,721 --> 00:09:37,561 Speaker 2: We are at a stage, you know, brother. 201 00:09:37,361 --> 00:09:40,681 Speaker 1: We're we're we're finding ways to where we can you know, 202 00:09:41,881 --> 00:09:45,441 Speaker 1: keep our communities safe and keep our communities away from 203 00:09:45,521 --> 00:09:47,641 Speaker 1: having to see those sort of things. 204 00:09:48,681 --> 00:09:51,241 Speaker 2: I must say she had a stage where, sorry. 205 00:09:51,081 --> 00:09:52,921 Speaker 1: Especially at a stage where we want to you know, 206 00:09:53,241 --> 00:09:55,161 Speaker 1: we don't want people going to jail. We don't want 207 00:09:55,161 --> 00:09:58,361 Speaker 1: our tamiliki and our families missing out on on you know, 208 00:09:59,321 --> 00:10:01,521 Speaker 1: on life. What they're dead because of things that have 209 00:10:01,561 --> 00:10:04,521 Speaker 1: happened and they've gone to jail. So we do have 210 00:10:04,601 --> 00:10:08,961 Speaker 1: awesome people in spaces that are creating mutual the say, 211 00:10:09,001 --> 00:10:11,681 Speaker 1: by the mutual respect then and in a way I'll 212 00:10:11,721 --> 00:10:12,561 Speaker 1: be honest with you, brother. 213 00:10:12,641 --> 00:10:13,441 Speaker 2: I love for the day. 214 00:10:13,361 --> 00:10:16,121 Speaker 1: Were as see unity amongst us all. If you asked 215 00:10:16,121 --> 00:10:19,321 Speaker 1: me this question three years ago, no way, no way, bro. 216 00:10:19,481 --> 00:10:22,601 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I was ready to Yeah. 217 00:10:22,601 --> 00:10:28,161 Speaker 1: I was ready to get a wark.