1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: A warning for listeners that this series contains graphic details, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: including references to murder and rape. It's a manhunt after 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty thousand passengers fly in and out 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: of Rome's main airport every single day, But on this day, 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Italian police are chasing just one man. Their target, one 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: of australias most wanted. He's just landed in the Italian 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: capital on a flight from Athens. The police are scanning 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: the faces of every single passenger getting off that flight 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: until they see the person they're looking for. It's September 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and it's the biggest breakthrough in one 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: of Australia's most horrific unsolved murders. The task Force is 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: about to carry out and arrest almost fifty years in 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: the making. In nineteen seventy seven, in the heart of Melbourne, 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: friends Susannahtrong and Susan Bartlett were both stabbed to death 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: in a frenzied ambush inside their home on Easy Street 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: in the suburb of Collingwood. Suzanne had been stabbed twenty 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: nine times in her bedroom and Susan was stabbed fifty 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: five times in the front hallway, all while Suzanne's baby son, 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Gregory Layan, is caught in the very next room. Their 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: neighbors would find them three days later, sparking an investigation 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: that plagued homicide detectives for decades. A shearer, a new boyfriend, 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: and even a journalist were all on investigator's list of suspects, 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: but it was a teenage boy who lived just a 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: stone's throw away that would bring police all the way 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: to Rome. Forty nine years, one hundred and thirty persons 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: of interest and a one million dollar reward. Later, authorities 27 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: capture a jewel Greek Australian citizen. These days, Perry Carumbus's 28 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: looks and dark hair have faded. He's sixty six now, 29 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: with wiry, light gray hair and a clean shaven face. 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: His arrest came as a shock to many of us 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: here in Melbourne. This was a case that we thought 32 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: might never be solved, and now it finally had a 33 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: new lead, and we weren't the only ones in disbelief. 34 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Perry's Italian public defender, Serena Tucci, said he was scared 35 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: about what was to come, but he wouldn't fight his 36 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: return to Melbourne. 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: During the interrogation, Perry Corumbus availed himself of the right 38 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: not to answer, so he didn't give us any useful 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: information about what had happened. However, he did proclaim his innocence, 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: and a very important point is that he gave his 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: consent for extradition. 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Cham Perry was just seventeen at the time of the 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: gruesome deaths. So now the question a court has to 44 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: answer is did a teenager kill these outgoing, adventurous and 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: kind women. Did a child commit a crime that's shocked 46 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: the nation. This is Victoria's most serious cold case and 47 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: longest cold case. Forty seven years after the Easy Street 48 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: double murders, charges have finally been laid today. Right now, 49 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: the main suspect in one of us traight is most 50 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: notorious double murder cold cases, is in the air on 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: a flight back to Melbourne. Perry Crumble's fronted court today 52 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: charge with two counts of murder and one count of rape. 53 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: My name is Olivia Jenkins and I'm a crime reporter 54 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: at the Herald's Sun and this is hunting justice. The 55 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Easy Street Murders will take you behind the murder investigation, 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: the grueling DNA search to find Suzanne and Susan's killer 57 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: and into the rough and grunge Collingwood of the late seventies. 58 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: This is every new detail about the case and the 59 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: inside look into the lives of the two sues you've 60 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: never heard before from their friends who have never spoken 61 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: until now, and you'll also learn all about the man 62 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: who was now accused of their murders. The two sues 63 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: were so much more than the trail of brutality and 64 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: heartbreak that defined their horrific deaths, and more than the 65 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: reason we've come to know their names so well over 66 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: all these years. Their stories start much earlier and much 67 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: further away from Melbourne than that fateful night in nineteen 68 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: seventy seven. Susan Jan Bartlett was born in nineteen forty 69 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: eight to parents Clifford and Elaine Bartlett. A year later, 70 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: on the first of September nineteen forty nine, Suzanne Joy 71 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: Armstrong was born in Euroa, a Victorian country town about 72 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five kilometers northeast of Melbourne, to 73 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: parents Bill and Eileen. Bill had been enlisted in the 74 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: Royalistry Alien Air Force as an aircraftsman, and he and 75 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: Eileen had four children, Suzanne, her brother Terry, and two 76 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: younger sisters, Gale and Loretta. The Armstrongs had long had 77 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: firm roots planted in Victoria's northern country towns. Armstrong Avenue 78 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: in Strathbogie, a twenty minute drive southeast of Euroa, is 79 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: named after Suzanne's great grandfather, Robinson Armstrong, who served as 80 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: the Euroa Local Council's president in the late eighteen eighties. 81 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: Suzanne Armstrong and her family had lived in Violettown, twenty 82 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: kilometers north of Euroa, before the family moved to Banilla 83 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen sixties. We understand that by the 84 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: time Sue Bartlett started high school, her mama Lane was 85 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: working as a housekeeper for an elderly man who lived 86 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: in Mitchell Street. Susan Bartlett started high school at Banala 87 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: High in nineteen sixty one, and a year later Suzanne 88 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Armstrong arrived to start second form, which is what we 89 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: call year eight in Victoria these days. 90 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: Nice, thank you. 91 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: That's Warren Tucker and Neville Webster. They met as young 92 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: children at the kindergarten down the street almost seventy years 93 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: ago and they've been friends ever since. And they were 94 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: both good friends with the two sues when they all 95 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: went to Banilla High School together in the early and 96 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: mid sixties. They're standing and waving to us on Warren's veranda. 97 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: When I arrived at his neat single story weather board 98 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: home in Banilla on a beautiful sunny day. 99 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: We didn't go to kindergarten. 100 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: Kindergarten just stand the end of the street well, very close. 101 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: We've known each other for a long while, and we 102 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: haven't had a punch out as far as I can remember. 103 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: Like the girls, Warren and Neville were brought up in 104 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: the country before they were lured to the big city 105 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, but the boys' regional ties eventually pulled them 106 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: back home. They've never shared their memories of the Two 107 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: Sues publicly until now. The Armstrongs lived in the East 108 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: end of Vanilla, and Sue would wave to her dad 109 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: Bill as he drove past the school gates his old Mercedes. 110 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: Both of the Suits, we used to call them the 111 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: two Sues. If you wanted to differentiate between the two 112 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: of them. They are big Sue of small Suit. They're 113 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: both pretty outgoing. You and girls struck up a friendship 114 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: pretty much straight away. They were in the same groups 115 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: as each other. 116 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: Nevill thumbs through a stack of original high school yearbooks 117 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: he's held on to all this time, and the girls 118 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: are etched into their pages, and in a sort of 119 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: macalb coincidence, never points out another face, one that made 120 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: headlines around the world in a different case, one that 121 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: would become one of the most publicized murder scandals in 122 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: Australian history. Smiling along with her classmates for school picture 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: day is a young Lindy Chamberlain, who was in the 124 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: grade above the two Sues and their friends. 125 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: I just yelled out as anyone got a talkch then 126 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: goes got my baby. She was Lynn Murchison in those days, 127 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: and her father was a seventh adventer student Power, and 128 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: she was there for a couple of years. She was 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: a few years ahead of us, and. 130 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: As Neville turns over each page, you can see Sue 131 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: Armstrong's and Sue Bartlett's names printed in each edition alongside 132 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: their classmates. Like Lindy's was too. The yearbooks, with slightly 133 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: faded covers and black and white photographs, are a snapshot 134 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: of all of their lives that froze their teenage years 135 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: in time, preserving memories and milestones untouched by the scandal. 136 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Murder and notoriety that would later mark them all. But 137 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: it's the classroom laughs and high school highlights that came 138 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: before all of that that Warren and Neville remember most 139 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: when you ask them about the Sues. 140 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: Oh, the sort of kids that they talk to, meaning people, 141 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: and that they'd make friends fairly rapidly. And everyone knew 142 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: the two Sues. But they were a good company and 143 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: they were just outgoing young girls. Yeah, both of them. 144 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: Pretty smart. 145 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, sure, both of them. 146 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Some people might think there's not a whole lot to 147 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: do for young people living in the country, but not 148 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: if you were friends with Sue Bartlett. 149 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: When the Beatles came out here on the Beatles and 150 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: she organized a bus trip to a festival hall. It 151 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 3: was one of the big busses. I think it was 152 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: one of the school buses. It would have been a 153 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: fair few kids that went down there, but she must 154 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: have organized the tickets and all that sort of stuff, 155 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: and everyone had a great time. It was one of 156 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: those memorable sorts of things. But she thought she organized 157 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: it was a. 158 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: Big, big event, or a lot to organize for teen 159 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: and a bunch of their friends. It was pretty amazing 160 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: for young person and When the kids at Vanella Hey 161 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: weren't rocking out to the world's biggest bands at one 162 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: of Melbourne's most iconic venues, there was still plenty of 163 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: fun to be had back home. Sue Bartlett made sure 164 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: of it. 165 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: She was a real organizer. We're just talking before you 166 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: came about, you know. She organized a party in year 167 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 3: four end of Mitchell Street runs along the river and 168 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: which is a lake now, but in those days Mitchell 169 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: where they lived was in Mitchell Street which ran down 170 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: onto the river, and when the parties around there was 171 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: an ideal spot. And I remember the year ten one 172 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: that Sue organized and you weren't supposed to have any grog, 173 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 3: but one of the one of the kids, he had 174 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: an adult friend that would supply him with grog. So 175 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: if you're partly running to Bill, he would get his 176 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: get your grog from the adult. I don't think we 177 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: drank much, but it was good fun and we thought 178 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: we were pretty dry. It wasn't until years later that I 179 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: found out the head old friend that was supplying the 180 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: grog was actually my older brother. 181 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: Another highlight for the class of nineteen sixty five was 182 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: a big party Sue Bartlett organized for everyone at an 183 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: old church building called the Blue Door. By then it 184 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: was run by a local theater group and had become 185 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: a popular party spot. And Susan Armstrong was no shrinking 186 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: violet either. She fit right into their class when she 187 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: arrived in Form two or three, which is what we'd 188 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: call years eight and ninety. 189 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: She was fun. She was You might not be doing 190 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: too much work, but you'd always have a chap to Sue, 191 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 3: or Sue would be sort of joking and carrying on. 192 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: She was an outgoing, sort of really attractive young girl. 193 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 3: Unlike the photograph. 194 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: Song in the media, the sus had carved out a 195 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: reputation as a package deal at Banella High. While Sue 196 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: Bartlett had a classic look about her, Sue Armstrong was 197 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: described as more flower power. Their academic interests varied quite 198 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: a lot as well. 199 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: Sue Bartlet seemed to swain the arts and that sort 200 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: of stuff, doubts and year eleven and year twelve, and 201 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: eventually after she left Skirls she finished up doing secondary 202 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: art teaching of course, and taughting schools all over the 203 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: place after that. 204 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Sue Bartlett was also a keen debater. She even made 205 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: sure her team got their time to shine on local 206 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: television by enlisting the help of one of the teachers 207 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: to drive them to Shepperd and so they could compete 208 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: against other schools in a small televised debating competition. Neville 209 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: says Sue helped him get over his stage fright. 210 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: Sue Armstrong wanted to do math sciences and there were 211 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: only a few of us who are only about I 212 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: think about eight of us that wanted to do math science. 213 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: And so sir Armstrong was in that little group who 214 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: had got to know each other really well. 215 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,119 Speaker 5: They just both th as girls. 216 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: Bernie Schaiver's was friends with the girls too, and just 217 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: like Neville, he regularly calls into Warren's place when he's 218 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: not tending to his farm. Late last year, Bernie rang 219 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: me just as he was finishing mowing his lawn at 220 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: his place up in Wayane Garatta, another country town which 221 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: sits on the Victorian border with New South Wales. News 222 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: of my chats with former Vanilla High students are clearly 223 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: doing the rounds among the remaining alumni. 224 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: Bar it ain't that right, ain't go ahead? 225 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Like Warren and Neville, Bernie's in his mid seventies now 226 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: he spent decades helping farmers buy and sell property and 227 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: livestock as a stock and station agent and working as 228 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: a property valuer. 229 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 5: Includes at bart in nineteen sixty one, read the start 230 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 5: of the school year when we moved to start or 231 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 5: a school then, and she did too, in the same class, 232 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 5: all their whole work, in the whole school life. 233 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: And what was she like as a friend and as 234 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: a student. What do you remember about her? 235 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 5: Oh? She just a just at the ordinary average yeah, 236 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 5: like everyone else that had just quite a nice noise 237 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 5: girl or both were when I got the when arms 238 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 5: Store moved in sixty. 239 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: Two, and when Susanne Armstrong joined their grade the following year. 240 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Bernie too remembers the impression she left on all the 241 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: boys in her class. 242 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 5: Tell of the boys, oh gee, she's a good look again, 243 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 5: that was the bound. 244 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: All the comments were, yeah, when there's an arms carrying. 245 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 5: She was a very very attractive. 246 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: Young girl when she came. 247 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 5: But she met thirty, might have been fourteen when I 248 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 5: was first, So she was very, very extremely attractive. She 249 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 5: was she was just another nice normal girl, participated class 250 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 5: activities and every girls. 251 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: Yet she was well every yeah, I just like everyone 252 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: else to walk. 253 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 5: Everyone wasn't stuck up or anything. It was just just 254 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 5: quite a nice girl. 255 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 256 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: But when the last years of high school approached, the 257 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: group went their separate ways for a while. Never switched 258 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: to wanga out of high school to continue with science studies. 259 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Not that there were many school buses running that way. 260 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: Hitchhalk of school on a Monday morning and hitchalk again 261 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: on the way home. 262 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: But you do these days. 263 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: Probably not the safest thing these days. 264 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: Oh well, you wouldn't have done that in those days. 265 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: It was pretty common, pretty common to Yes, for Susanne 266 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: and Armstrong, I well, it was probably a bit awkward 267 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: for her to sort of get a commendation and wag 268 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: and I don't think the family, you know, all that 269 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: flesh was money. So she decided she drop out of 270 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: school at that stage. 271 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: As life often does, it took the two suits and 272 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: their vanilla friends in different directions as their senior years 273 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: of high school need. Warren and Bernie left school to 274 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: start working well, Suzanne and Susan entered their final school years. 275 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Like Sue, Bartlett never studied to become a teacher, and 276 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: he spent many years working in Victoria's education department, but 277 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: life also has a funny way of bringing people back together. 278 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Warren and Suzanne's pads crossed again, this time all the 279 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: way down in Melbourne. 280 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: She worked down the end of Cilwaite Street and it 281 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 4: was down at the end the city end of this 282 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: Await Street, and she often went to Friday South Melbourne. 283 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: Mark get into the dimmy, said Melbourne Mark. 284 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Some context here. Warren's not just talking about any dim sims. 285 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: These cricket ball sized dimmies are famous in Melbourne. They've 286 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: been around since the forties and they're often suggested as 287 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: a goes for tourists, and the pair could often be 288 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: seen eating them on their lunch breaks when Suzanne was 289 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: working as a lab assistant. As Warren recalled, it sounds 290 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: like you enjoyed a few agose. 291 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: I think I'm still paying for it. 292 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 293 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 4: I often see her down there on a Friday. 294 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: And for Warren, who found himself in a big city 295 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: so far from home for the first time, seeing a 296 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: familiar face in a sea of strangers felt like a relief. 297 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: She still remembered me. What's good? 298 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: What you remember most people? 299 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, just like at school, Susanne wasn't short of admirers, 300 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: Warren being one of them, but there were no hard 301 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: feelings when things stayed platonic between them, so I was 302 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: time to go out. 303 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: With me, but she was very nice to tell me 304 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 4: to clear off. 305 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: In a very nice way. 306 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Well, it sounded like you were on a decent list 307 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: of as soon as she sounded like a very bright Oh. 308 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: After high school, Susan Bartlett studied to become a teacher. 309 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: She'd wind up in Melbourne too, taking up a job 310 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: as an arts and textiles teacher at what was then 311 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: called the Collingwood Education Center in the inner city suburb 312 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: of Collingwood. The school is still there today, but now 313 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: it's called Collingwood College. Long gone. Other portable classrooms tacked 314 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: onto the back of the campus, which have been replaced 315 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: by modern, multi story buildings, open green spaces with picnic 316 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: tables and a veggie patch run by students. The girls 317 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: were adventurous too, each setting off on overseas trips in 318 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: the early and mid seven ties. Susan drove a taxi 319 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: in the early seventies to fund her travels across America, 320 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom and Asia. In nineteen seventy two and 321 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: seventy three. 322 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: Toerious, adventurous and one statuous arriving taxis. And I remember 323 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: my cousin Andrew said he thought that was a bit 324 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: risky for an attractive young girl, which he was an 325 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: attractive young girl. Last eyes and oh no, no, no, 326 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: all good people. She'd always hear the good in people, 327 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: and no one was ever bad. She wouldn't say a 328 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: bad word about anyone sort of thing. But anyway, she 329 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: drove taxis for for a while. I think the sort 330 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: of funded a versely's trip. 331 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Susan set off on her own adventure in Greece. 332 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy four. The two sus reunited in Greece 333 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: and traveled through the islands together before Susan returned to 334 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: Melbourne and continued teaching at the Collingwood Education Center. In 335 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, Suzanne Armstrong stayed in Greece, where she 336 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: met a fisherman named Manalist Margaritas on the island of Naxos. 337 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: When Suzanne discovered she was pregnant with her son, Gregory, 338 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: the couple initially made plans to marry. Gregory was born 339 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: in Naxos in August nineteen seventy five, but cultural differences 340 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: and paperwork got in the way. So Suzanne, now a 341 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: new mum, returned to Melbourne with baby Greg in late 342 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. By then, Sue Bartlett's teaching career was 343 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: well underway. When she wasn't teaching, Sue Bartlett often drove 344 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: back home to Banella on the weekends to visit her mother, Elaine, 345 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: and younger brother Martin. Neville remembers through talking about her 346 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: brother often because the pair were close, and when she'd 347 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: arrived back in town, she did it in style. 348 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: So she used to talk very shy about Martin, and 349 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: he was the apple of her own. When that was 350 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: she was good and in those stoys. I remember she 351 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: must have come back up to Banilla. I was in 352 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: Melbourne too, but you know, come back for the weekend 353 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: to Banilla every now and again. And she was driving 354 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: our little two R three Triumph sports car convertible, very clash, 355 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: very cool. She was very which was typical her. You 356 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: wouldn't just buy an ordinary Corolla or something like that. 357 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: She she bought something a bit fancy. And I remember 358 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: she took me home in the t R three, which 359 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: is pretty special. I thought that was great, so I 360 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: don't think I had a car at that stage even 361 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 3: but she was there right. 362 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: With both of the Sues and Greg now back in Melbourne, 363 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: they eventually decided to move in together in October. They 364 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: rented a single story workers cottage in Collingwood at one 365 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: four seven Easy Street. The house still stands today. It's 366 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: the stones throw away from the Victoria Park train station 367 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: remember that for later and Collingwood's main retail on Cafe 368 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: precincts on Johnston and Smith Streets, and just four blocks away, 369 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: a teenage Perry Krumblus was living in a house in 370 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: Bendigo Street with his parents and two brothers. The Karumblas 371 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: household was just a two hundred and fifty meters walk 372 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: from the two SU's house on Easy Street. For more 373 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: information about where these locations are, links are in the 374 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: description of this episode. Suzanne was devoted to Greg and 375 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: wanted to earn enough money to support him. She worked 376 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: odd jobs, including a casual stint as a cleaner at 377 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: a doctor's surgery, and received what was then called, in 378 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: a sign of the times, an unmarried mother's allowance from 379 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: the state government. The girls seemed to be enjoying their 380 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: new setup. Their neighbor Robert Sellers, who lived two doors away, 381 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: told our newspaper in nineteen seventy seven there was no 382 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: noisy parties, but the music was always loud. Robert, like 383 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: quite a few people in this story, has passed away, 384 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: making voices from the time few and far between, and 385 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: when you hear their words, they'll be voiced by actors 386 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: like his were. The two suites had come a long 387 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: way since their small town country upbringing. They'd seen the 388 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: world and now they were ready for something bigger, but 389 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: settling there after. Their trek from the country and their 390 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: overseas adventures landed them in the middle of an underbelly 391 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: that was thriving in their own neighborhood. In just a 392 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: matter of weeks, their new beginning would come to a 393 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: brutal end. In the next episode, The Black Guys, it. 394 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 3: Was kind of just got these hooded eyes like they're 395 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: quite black and sparkly. 396 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: It is said by some that there was nothing you 397 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: could not buy from the Collingwood Housing Commission flats, including 398 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: machine guns. 399 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: This show is hosted, researched, and written by me Olivia Jenkins. 400 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: It was produced, edited and written by John ty Burton. 401 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: Our video producer is Daniels. 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