WEBVTT - Outsiders | 19 May 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.520 Lord, this is Outsiders. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:18.080 Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders the show. That is 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.560 to alban Easy's woeful labor Party, the hypocritical waste of space, 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.320 Teals and the noxious Greens. What the late great Tom 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.880 Petty was to writing unforgettable tune that is just perfect 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:32.159 for satirizing. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.920 He's an old gay. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:47.400 As Demandia can't lead us and the country is screwed. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:57.000 Tell some big glays barely speak exnglish, sniff's chin and 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:58.480 their mom's here too. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.520 Yes, that spoof of Tom Petty's free Fallen hit from 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.319 the nineties is satirically credited Joe Biden and the Alzheimer's 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.960 on Common Man Records and was put out on Truth 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.920 Social by none other than Donald Trump. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:22.840 Goes the wrong way when he leaves his speeches, gets lusty. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:29.039 In the White House yard. All the dem. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.280 Say that we should re elect him? 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.400 How can he run. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.920 When walking is hard? All we need? 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.680 Now, who's a great hook at a memorable chorus to 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:43.600 sum it all up? 0:01:45.120 --> 0:02:17.760 Jokey joke, And while Joe Biden keeps on stumbling all 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.239 over himself. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:26.320 Let's grab the latest outside of his news. Well, what 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.840 a big surprise. James and Rita that the Left eating 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.959 themselves on the weekend as usual. Victorian Premiere jain To 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:39.560 Alan says she is disgusted by the pro Palestine activists 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:45.080 who gate crashed the Victorian Labor State Conference where six 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.679 ridiculous motions on Gaza were carried on Saturday. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:50.320 Have a look. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.440 What a surprise reads are the Victorian labor parties struggling 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.480 with pro Palestinian activists who'd have thought, well. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.400 They've panded strongly to them, but they want more and more. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.160 And it's very interesting to see the Victorian Premier come 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:19.360 out so strongly say she's disgusted by the homophobia, anti semitism, 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.520 of the violence of what she has seen at the 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.960 State conference and Mooney Valley race course. But you look 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.959 at the resolutions that were put forward and how strongly they. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.880 Were passed by the membership there. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.920 That tells you everything you need to know. This isn't 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.440 just some fringe group. These votes are getting up and 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.240 let me tell you one of these ones. It's a 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.559 utilized international forums to demand an end to the perpetual 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.440 military occupation and human rights violations which are in flag 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.160 or and violation of international law and advocate for the 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.600 implementation of you and resolutions will provide a solution for 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.920 peace and security. Do they want Australia to come out 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:08.800 and demand that Israel cease these operations, to basically declare 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.120 Israel guilty of gross human rights violations. I mean, it 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.640 is just incredible to see this happening. And as I 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:22.279 think Josh Burn said and other Jewish advocates have said, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:28.720 you're essentially here rewarding Hamas for their behavior by that, because. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.160 That's what the Labor Party have done. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.360 James Well, I mean, you know, Rita, you said that 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.320 these resolutions are about asking Israel to cease various activities, 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.719 but ultimately what they're about is asking Israel to cease 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.000 to exist. I mean, because that's of all of this, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.320 all of this stuff is very pro Hamas in the 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.080 at the end of the day, it all winds up 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.359 playing into Hamas's hands, I mean, calling for Israel to 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.600 release its quote political prisoners. Remember that Sinwar, the guy 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.000 who's the head of Hamas, was exchanged in one of 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.640 those prisoner swaps years ago, I think for Gilad Shalit. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.560 And the amazing thing though about this, though, is that 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.640 you know, you look at this, you look at what's 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.279 going on, and this is what happens. In some ways, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.480 I kind of like to see the consequences of the actions, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.680 because Labor in Victoria particularly has flirted for years, you know, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.120 not just with the anti Israel stuff, not just with 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.720 you know, the fringe anti Semitic stuff, but also with Marxism, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:26.000 with anti Westernism, because that's ultimately you know, I think 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.000 if we just are reductive about this and talk about 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.960 this as a conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, the 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.039 way it's playing out in the West, it's a much 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.600 bigger fight, and it's a fight within the West because 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.640 you know, the people who are out demonstrating against Israel 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.000 and against America and for Iran and for Hamas, you know, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.760 they're Westerners, right, So this is a war that's going 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.960 on within the West, and those forces have all been 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.320 stoked by left wing parties Labor here, the Democrats, the 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.719 hard left in the United States to get to where 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.680 we are today. It's like, well, they've created this monster, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.160 they have created the master of these demonstrations, and now 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.760 they're reaping what they've sold with this at this Labor conference. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.000 But unfortunately, now they have no ability to put this 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.360 horrendous gen back in the bottle. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.120 Well, and if they thought that vote at the UN 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:22.360 that broke seventy plus years of bipartisanship was going to 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.520 silence these factions. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.240 Well they were very wrong. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.080 Indeed, all it has done is embolden them, have them 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.839 demanding more and more, and they're vulnerable. And they know 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.400 they're vulnerable because they've got several electorates with large Muslim 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:41.200 populations which could determine the outcomes of those elections. So 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.640 they know that this is a buind they're in. But 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.200 you have to ask if those voters are going to 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.760 vote on this issue and this issue alone, they're not 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.720 going to give the vote to the coalition. Do they 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.240 really think they're going to lose these seats to the Greens, 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.479 because the Greens are their biggest threat there. I know 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.440 they may have independents who run on a single issue, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.440 as we saw happen in the UK recently with the 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:06.400 council elections. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.840 But I do wonder also whether they jumping at. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.440 Shadows James, whether they really are in danger of having 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.880 these voters abandon them on this issue. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:18.920 Where are they going to go? 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.840 Well, there is a lot of concern I know in 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.640 Western Sydney, certainly after what happened with Dye Lee in Fowler, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.960 which of course was supposed to be Christina Kanneely's seat 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.480 at the last election and she came out as a 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.480 strong community independent there there is a big concern that 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.480 these independent candidates rise up and if they do, you know, 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:37.960 they split the vote. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.560 You know they can split that vote. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.440 James, it's what a preferential system. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.280 So yeah, but the prefaces don't necessarily flow. And if 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.040 they're furious, and if they're furious at Labor for what 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.360 they perceive as being too pro Israel, you know they've 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.080 got a big problem. And this is why you know, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.080 you had that whole situation last week or the other 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:59.200 week where Jason Clair got spacked down by Anthony Albanezi 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.360 over this because he went far too out there for 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.080 his cinem I think Blaxland out in Western Sydney. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.920 You say he went fi that a Labor senator for 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.320 Tima Payman come out and say from the River to 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:16.440 the Sea, the phrase that Anthony Albernizi said encourages violence. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:17.480 Well, this is a real test. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.000 Why hasn't Anthony Albanezi come out and got rid of 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.720 Fatima payment. It's absolutely disgraceful. West Australian centator. She's twenty 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.240 nine years old. This is where multiculturalism has taken us. 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.680 Labor has built this kind of coalition of all the 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.760 fringe groups that they can find, and it's coming back 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.400 to bite them hard, as it is doing in England, 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.960 where you now have, for example, in a place that's 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.720 supposedly as trendy and progressive as Brighton and Hove, they 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:51.800 now have a mayor who is a hardcore Muslim activist. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:58.319 And the reality is you cannot ultimately combine hardcore Muslim 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:03.000 values with hardcore lgbt IQ, progressive et cetera. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.160 Values. It doesn't work. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.120 But Labor has built this coalition. Now it's coming hard 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.120 to bite them. You've got at those demonstrations at the 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.679 Labor Party in Victoria. They're accusing the activists, the pro 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.679 Palestinian activists, the Labor Party are accusing them of being homophobic, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.840 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all the things they themselves, 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.320 Labor have failed to pull into control in the last 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:31.800 decade or so. David Shubridge the Greens MP here in 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.080 New South Wales. He is well reter tweeted from the 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.880 River to the Sea Palestine Shelby Free. That's a member 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.840 of the New South Wales Parliament and one who holds 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.280 enormous sway in the New South Wales palm. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.120 What are they going to do about that, James? 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:46.439 Well, yeah, exactly. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:47.520 But I want to go back to this part of 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.760 a payment thing because this is a real test for 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:50.720 Anthony Albanzi. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.640 And you know, sure is alban easy. You know, his. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.280 Personal views on this I think are pretty sensible. I 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:58.800 think that he is not, you know, part of the 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.240 hall from the River to the Sea group. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:06.360 But because it was his idea, it was James to 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:07.920 signed to vote. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:15.719 Yeah, I know, Recogi the same guys well as well. No, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.160 I mean if you look at his history on this stuff, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.959 if you look at his history of itself, this is. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.400 Never siding Palestinian rallies way back in when he was 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:23.880 a student. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.920 Yeah, okay, but this this issue with this is this 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:27.840 issue with payment. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.440 This is the test. This is the test. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.360 Is he going to h kick her out? If he doesn't, then, 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:35.679 you know, because he. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.800 Knows about them in a. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.360 Jack Yeah exactly, But not only that, Senate votes, Senate votes, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.640 the whole thing comes down to the fact that the 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.520 Senate is such a precarious place right now for the government, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.640 so they can't even if he wanted to, he can't 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.600 ditch her, He can't get rid of anybody because they 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.959 cannot afford to not be able to get legislations of 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.719 the Senate, which is such a crazy loge of people already. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.360 So this is a huge issue for them. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.560 But on the multiculturalis point Row and I think you've 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.800 made it really important point. But there's more to it 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.040 than just the conflict within the left between these different factions. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.720 It's the fact that they have celebrated not just three years, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.479 for decades now, this idea where you maintain a loyalty 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.679 to someplace other than Australia, that's wherever you're from. So 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.200 the idea then is that you suddenly have people coming 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.400 in and voting on issues that have nothing to do 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.040 with Australia. And this is going to be the great 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.080 challenge for Australia going forward is and there's a big 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.600 migration review that's coming up. The government is working on 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.960 it right now. There's going to be a big review 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.680 coming up on how do we go about making people 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.480 Australia's and I think the government's going to fluff this completely. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.320 Let's have a. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.120 Look at young Fatima here, Let's have a listen to her. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.720 This is where multiculturalism is landed Australia in twenty twenty four. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:12:00.520 This is a genocide and we need to stop pretendingwise 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.559 from the river to the sea, Kalestine will be free. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.200 So here's a young lady whose parents came from Afghanistan, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.760 were welcomed into Australia, into Western Australia, wonderful part of 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:17.600 the world, most embracing, warm embrace, and has had all. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.920 The advantages of Australian citizenship. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:24.920 Of great education, great lifestyle there in Wa. I'm sure 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.240 the parents are happier there. I'm assuming that they're happier 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.800 there in Wa than they were in Afghanistan. And yet 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.360 this young lady has reached the point where she's quite 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:39.880 happy to call for the genocide of Jews and the 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.880 abolition of the state of Israel on the other side 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:47.480 of the world, courtesy of her position in the Australian Parliament. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:52.920 If Australia thinks that's a successful multicultural outcome, I'm afraid 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:53.760 I disagree. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.760 I'm sure she would have been aware of the media 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:01.040 reports making it clear that her Prime Minister Anthony Albanzi 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:06.440 was unequivocal in condemning that statement from the River to 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.240 the Sea, saying that he's agreeing that it's one that 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:15.480 motivates violence. So for her to say those words. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.360 After all, that deliberately provocable. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.880 And she is challenging Anthony Albanese and this is a 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.640 massive test of his leadership. Do you mean what you say? 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.560 Can do you do your words? 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.319 Are you a leader? Are you a leader? 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.440 But let me also just finish the point here that 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:36.120 it's come out this week in Afghanistan, the Taliban, the 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.920 cruelty of the Taliban to young women, to your girls 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:41.880 is beyond belief. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:43.280 Yet here's a. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.600 Woman whose parents are from Afghanistan. I haven't heard her 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.960 criticizing the Taliban. I haven't heard her defending the women 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.280 of Afghanistan who are in a dreadful, dreadful state at 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:54.640 the moment. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:55.880 Why doesn't she think about that? 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.800 James, Well exactly, I mean, you know, and you said 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.400 before Rowan, you said, well, she's a product of Australian education. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.319 Well yeah, and actually I think that that's the way 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.760 a lot of educators would like to see people come 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.320 up and come out of it seeing things like that. Yeah, no, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.480 I mean, she would never sit in the parliament in Afghanistan, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.640 to the staff they even have in parliament, because she's 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.359 a woman, you know. And yet here she is and 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.000 she's and she's attacking Western values in Israel and all 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:21.120 of this. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.120 Well, there are millions of women who are subjugated in 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:30.560 Muslim majority countries. And it's not just Fatima. The feminist 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.200 movement in general is very much silent on their plant. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.800 And you see these women who with green hair and 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:42.160 fringes cut like this, donning kafirs and he jabs and 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:48.000 marching and doing solidarity, wearing he jabs in solidarity. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.240 And you wonder. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.320 You know, there are women in Iran, Afghanistan, all across 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.000 many countries where they are risking their lives fighting to 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.200 be frequent people. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.760 These are the s This is the same political tribe 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.200 here of people who will happily go out Today they're 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.760 in kafirs and they're demonstrating from Palestine. You know, yesterday 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.000 they would have been putting on handmaid's tail outfits and 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.680 demonstrating against the Morrison government. I mean This is how 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.120 utterly inconsistent the Left is when it comes to women. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.560 But the thing is, the left constantly, constantly sacrifices women 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.960 to the goals of its broader kind of revolutionary cause. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.320 Sometimes you know they're in favor of women when it 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.640 can be used, only when it can be used as 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.080 a political attack against Conservatives, I guess right. But the 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.880 moment you know that's over, you know, then it's all 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:36.600 back to situation. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.560 We saw that when Trump was elected. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.120 We have these massive marches across the Western world. Right 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:48.240 here in Sydney and Melbourne, the pussy hat marches. Yeah, well, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.040 I mean, I don't know if I which one I prefer, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.720 the pussy hats or the the burkers. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.560 They seem to be favoring these days. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:01.040 But then when it comes to LGBTQ rights conflicting women's rights, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.240 they take the side of the LGBTQ activists them. And 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:09.520 when it comes to Islamists and women being systematically oppressed 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.880 under Islam, they take the side of the Islamists. So 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.560 it is completely incoherent, but it's in keeping with having 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.120 this anti West position. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.880 It's that anti West, it's anti West, and it's all 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.360 about power. You know, so whichever group is going to 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.680 be the next one to get them to power, that's 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:28.360 where they go with. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.520 Well, one of the great tragedies as well of multiculturalism 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.560 was the attempt, if you like, during the Voice campaign 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:41.080 last year by large elements and organizations within the Jewish 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:45.840 community to kind of advocate for the voice, saying yes 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:46.400 for the voice. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.800 One one organization didn't that was the Australian Jewish Association, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.440 but most most did. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.960 And yet come October seventh, where was the gratitude. No, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.560 the Indigenous activist movement, not Indigenous Australia are only to 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:05.679 the indigenous activists all immediately sided again with Hamas and. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.040 Hamas and the Palestinians are one and the same. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.800 Let's stop beating around the bush and trying to delineate 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.720 between Hamas and the Palestinians. Hamas are the elected government 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.760 of the Ghazan branch of the Palestinian community and have 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.880 their largely full support. And we now learned as well 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.440 in the last few days that Fatar and the Palestinian 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.639 authority did have activists involved in the Hamas atrocities of 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:34.320 October seven. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.600 So let's stop this kind of this whole separate thing. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.040 There is a there. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:43.160 Are clear links between Hamas and the broader Palestinian communities. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.520 I think it's unfair to say all Palestinians back harm. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.199 There was an election, they would probably still be re 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.800 elected in the West Bank, strongly in the West Bank, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.960 and that's why they haven't had elections in the world 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.160 spend for a long time. So, but I mean, there 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:08.879 are obviously people there who keep their opinions very quiet, 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.680 because if you speak out against a mass in Gaza, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:12.920 you are. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.040 You're finished, exactly kill And those people need to be supported, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:17.200 those people need to be. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.720 Well, it's just the thing like like you know, we've 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.199 seen horrific video this week coming around out on x 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:29.639 for the Twitter of Hamas shooting Palestinians, attacking Palestinians or 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.680 trying to get some of the aid that the West 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.080 is trying to send in. So, you know, let's not 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.439 have any qualms about the fact that Hamas is a 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.320 really you know, it's a mafia thug like organization that 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.080 rules the places with an irony. Yes, it's a very 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.359 much a Nazi type organization. But that said, what you 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.160 say is correct, Paul. After Paul Survey Aversory has shown, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.400 you know, large support for Hamas, and we only had 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.280 to see the vision of on October seventh when they 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.080 brought hostages back in the back of pickup trucks, in 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.879 the back of youtes, the cheering, the celebration, the beating 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.800 with sticks, the reports we've had from hostages who have 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.200 made it out of Gaza that they were tormented by 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.720 civilian Garzians. You know, there were reports that teachers, all 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.840 sorts of people were involved in keeping them captives. So yes, no, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.600 your point, Rod is absolutely correct that you know the 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:22.240 Palestine Gazans largely support exactly what happened. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.600 Trust if you. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.600 Are going to be a pro Palestinian activist, you've got 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.679 to be prepared to understand the distinctions. You've got to 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.080 be prepared to either condemn Hamas, which we're not hearing 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.840 enough of. And therefore, as we said another David Shubridge, 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.160 for coming out with genocidal pro Palestinian statements, if they're 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:42.840 not prepared to. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.479 The demonstrators need to be saying is saying a simple thing. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:47.960 They should be. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.480 Saying, Hamas, release the hostages and surrender, and that is 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.120 what will be the best outcome. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.240 Fence I don't know what will the world you to 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:02.320 existing at protests every single week, sometimes multiple protests in 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.600 a week in this country, UK US, across much of 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.680 the West, and we have seen footage of Loan protestes, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.520 particularly in London, and we've shown the footage right here 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:18.359 holding up her Massa terrorists sign and being shot, not 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.240 just shouted down, physically attacked. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.800 Having their sign ripped from their hands. 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.080 And often the Loan protests are holding up a her 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.800 Massa terror sign is the one who's being arrested, so 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.560 they are not only not saying it, they're hostile to 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.480 anybody who would say it. And I think to make 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.160 that distinction, because I think it's a distinction that should 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.879 be made that Palestinian cause and the her Mask cause 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.639 are not the same thing. Then you should be very 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.119 clear at these protests to say we are anti her maass, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.960 have anti Hamas signs, have free the hostage as signs. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:53.919 But we don't see that at. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.800 That post because it's always Israel's fault. That's what it 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:57.320 comes down to. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:57.520 Now. 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.879 The reason I was talking about the the Voice was 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:05.359 that efforts to close the gap between Indigenous Australians and 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.360 the rest of the country and a reporting the Australian 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:14.640 newspaper yesterday quote stalled during the Voice enterprise there you go. 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.600 So all that effort by the alban Easy government and. 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:22.120 Those who are responsible for closing the gap that means 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:27.320 bringing raising the living standards and prosperity of Indigenous Australians. 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.480 They are the ones now saying, you know what, Labor, 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.679 all our efforts, you know, were stalled by the Voice. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.119 So well done, Labor. 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:41.040 You even stuffed that up ideology, idiocy and incompetency at 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:41.879 every turn. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.399 Well Rowan, you do you know I think that you know, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.480 in some ways, yes, it's bad that the Voice campaign 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.399 stalled progress on closing the gap. We all want to 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.240 close the gap. But can you just imagine how bad 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.320 it would be if the Voice had actually passed, like 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.240 you want to talk about something that would stop closing 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.760 the gap. It would be spending all of this money 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.400 on this huge bureaucracy that would then go pay itself 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.200 to go, you know, take reports and do things, interfere 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.600 with parliamentary legislation and do everything else it was going 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.280 to do, and not actually do anything to close the gap. 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.800 I mean, you know, like this is that was a 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.600 good result. Let's not forget the fact that this was 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.080 a very very. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.320 Great result, but labor ignoring it, just flowering ahead in 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.560 all the different states with their own voices. But the 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.840 point is the reality is that this sort of virtue 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:35.040 signaling we're left wing ideological campaign actually has negative impacts 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.320 on Indigenous Australians who are there on the ground and 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.520 they're the ones calling it out there you go. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.280 We had so much focus in recent weeks on the 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.400 treatment of women, violence against women, so many women being 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:52.200 victims of domestic violence in particular, and again we saw 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:57.240