1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:13,681 Speaker 1: Apogee production, life stuff, life, parenting. 2 00:00:14,281 --> 00:00:16,441 Speaker 2: We're doing life together and we're just going to tell 3 00:00:16,481 --> 00:00:17,161 Speaker 2: you all about it. 4 00:00:17,601 --> 00:00:22,041 Speaker 1: I hate the word perimenopause. I can't We're not in menopause, Like, 5 00:00:22,081 --> 00:00:29,361 Speaker 1: it's making me angry. What Welcome back to another episode 6 00:00:29,361 --> 00:00:32,681 Speaker 1: of Who even Are We? And in this episode we're 7 00:00:32,721 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: going to be talking about jobs because my girls are 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,801 Speaker 1: graduating school this year and so they're now thinking about 9 00:00:39,801 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: what they want to do with the rest of their life. 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,521 Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, Yeah, you don't know what 11 00:00:44,561 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: you want to do with the rest of your love. 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,081 Speaker 1: I think it's very rare for someone kids at high 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: school to go this is the career I want, and 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,561 Speaker 1: I want to do it's the rest of my life. 15 00:00:54,601 --> 00:00:57,161 Speaker 2: I think that there are some people that really do that. 16 00:00:57,561 --> 00:01:00,761 Speaker 2: More there is pressure from family that they have to 17 00:01:00,801 --> 00:01:04,721 Speaker 2: be within a certain demographic of jobs. 18 00:01:05,121 --> 00:01:08,041 Speaker 1: Yeah, or you've planned to go to UNI. This is 19 00:01:08,081 --> 00:01:09,641 Speaker 1: the degree that you're going to do. This is what 20 00:01:09,681 --> 00:01:13,041 Speaker 1: you're saying, So therefore you are going to be a doctor? 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: Or control from parents of financials? Right, I pay for it. 22 00:01:16,481 --> 00:01:17,321 Speaker 2: You do what I ask. 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,401 Speaker 1: I've got a motto which I've always said to my girls, 24 00:01:20,521 --> 00:01:25,241 Speaker 1: work hard, play hard. Well, there's that one. But the 25 00:01:25,241 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: one I say to them is do what you love 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,681 Speaker 1: and the money will come. I'm such a believer in that. 27 00:01:30,601 --> 00:01:31,121 Speaker 2: Are you. 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: Well, look at Mark Zuckerberg. He developed Facebook not knowing 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,161 Speaker 1: how he was ever going to monetize it. He just 30 00:01:37,521 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: had a belief. 31 00:01:38,481 --> 00:01:42,721 Speaker 2: You believe that. Yes, Okay, I'm leaving that one there. 32 00:01:42,721 --> 00:01:43,801 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about market. 33 00:01:43,881 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: Well, maybe he knew some of me. 34 00:01:45,321 --> 00:01:47,321 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't believe any of it, but 35 00:01:47,401 --> 00:01:49,481 Speaker 2: that's just my view on it. But I get what 36 00:01:49,521 --> 00:01:50,121 Speaker 2: you mean by it. 37 00:01:50,241 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. So in other words, find your passion, do what 38 00:01:54,201 --> 00:01:58,441 Speaker 1: you love doing, and at some point it will make 39 00:01:58,481 --> 00:02:01,361 Speaker 1: you money, or you'll work out a way for doing 40 00:02:01,361 --> 00:02:02,321 Speaker 1: what you love to. 41 00:02:02,521 --> 00:02:03,321 Speaker 2: Make you money. 42 00:02:03,561 --> 00:02:06,401 Speaker 1: Now, Amelia came home from school one day and she said, oh, Mum, 43 00:02:06,481 --> 00:02:09,601 Speaker 1: I said to my friends, you know what your motto is, 44 00:02:09,641 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: do what you love and the money will come. And 45 00:02:11,001 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: they were like, what are you crazy? That doesn't happen. 46 00:02:13,841 --> 00:02:19,001 Speaker 1: But that's off the back of myself and Jay not 47 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: doing conventional nine to five career jobs. We're in the 48 00:02:23,841 --> 00:02:26,961 Speaker 1: creative industry. We've been in radio forever. Like, you have 49 00:02:27,041 --> 00:02:28,721 Speaker 1: to hustle to get those jobs. 50 00:02:29,281 --> 00:02:31,881 Speaker 2: But you're trying to give them life advice that you 51 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,361 Speaker 2: have got now in your lifetime. Now, but you've gone 52 00:02:35,401 --> 00:02:37,921 Speaker 2: through the ringer in order to get to where you're there, 53 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:41,081 Speaker 2: so you've learnt this piece of advice now, yeah, and 54 00:02:41,121 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: you're trying to like handle it on back here where 55 00:02:44,121 --> 00:02:46,241 Speaker 2: they're just starting and going no, no, no, hang on. 56 00:02:46,561 --> 00:02:50,721 Speaker 2: From my experience, don't do all these just go in 57 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: for this, and I mean, if they take it, absolutely, 58 00:02:53,121 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent with you. 59 00:02:54,601 --> 00:02:56,601 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more about following your dreams. 60 00:02:56,841 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more. 61 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,561 Speaker 1: About you know, the stories that you hear about someone 62 00:03:00,641 --> 00:03:07,641 Speaker 1: that wanted to be a professional mountain biker and their 63 00:03:07,761 --> 00:03:11,001 Speaker 1: parents said, you have to get a trade as if 64 00:03:11,041 --> 00:03:13,441 Speaker 1: that's going to happen, And I'm more about, well, no, 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,521 Speaker 1: if you put the work in, then there's no reason 66 00:03:15,561 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: why that can't happen. 67 00:03:17,321 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: I'm with you. The other part of it is that 68 00:03:20,281 --> 00:03:22,841 Speaker 2: if you hadn't gone through the ring and learned through 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: work experience, would you be then where you are today? 70 00:03:26,601 --> 00:03:30,241 Speaker 2: To know that you are in the creative industry, passion 71 00:03:30,361 --> 00:03:33,441 Speaker 2: driven job that you are now? No, No, So then 72 00:03:33,441 --> 00:03:34,961 Speaker 2: therefore why can't they go through it? 73 00:03:35,521 --> 00:03:40,841 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love this. This is so good. 74 00:03:41,881 --> 00:03:43,641 Speaker 2: But yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm seeing both 75 00:03:43,641 --> 00:03:46,081 Speaker 2: sides to it, because I would be like if someone 76 00:03:46,121 --> 00:03:50,161 Speaker 2: had said that to me and I had taken your advice, 77 00:03:50,681 --> 00:03:53,201 Speaker 2: I'd probably be in a completely different industry. 78 00:03:53,241 --> 00:03:56,361 Speaker 1: I think the difference is is that it doesn't just happen, 79 00:03:56,801 --> 00:04:00,081 Speaker 1: so the mindset around do what you love and the 80 00:04:00,121 --> 00:04:03,161 Speaker 1: money will come. It doesn't just happen like that. You 81 00:04:03,201 --> 00:04:08,161 Speaker 1: don't just start, you know, playing golf, And that's a 82 00:04:08,201 --> 00:04:13,521 Speaker 1: bad example because people play golf golf, But dance is 83 00:04:13,561 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: a great example. Kids love dance and they get better 84 00:04:17,361 --> 00:04:19,841 Speaker 1: and better. And I definitely got to a point where 85 00:04:19,881 --> 00:04:21,801 Speaker 1: I was like, this is never going to be a career, 86 00:04:21,961 --> 00:04:24,161 Speaker 1: Like we're spending so much money on dance and all 87 00:04:24,161 --> 00:04:26,001 Speaker 1: the outfits and all the rest of it. However, the 88 00:04:26,041 --> 00:04:29,561 Speaker 1: girls have got a friend who is absolutely going to 89 00:04:29,601 --> 00:04:32,361 Speaker 1: make it her career and she wants to go and 90 00:04:32,401 --> 00:04:35,041 Speaker 1: work on cruise ships and do all the things right, 91 00:04:35,561 --> 00:04:39,041 Speaker 1: and so that's a good example of going well she 92 00:04:39,241 --> 00:04:42,641 Speaker 1: found it. Yeah, but if you tell your Grade twelve 93 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,041 Speaker 1: careers teacher, I'm going to do dance as my career, 94 00:04:47,361 --> 00:04:49,601 Speaker 1: I bet you they'll go, oh, no, have you thought 95 00:04:49,641 --> 00:04:52,201 Speaker 1: about going to UNI and doing marketing? 96 00:04:52,481 --> 00:04:55,121 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you, because I mean, 97 00:04:55,201 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: like my girls they're only ten and twelve, and they 98 00:04:57,601 --> 00:04:59,321 Speaker 2: said the same thing the other day, was like, Mum, 99 00:04:59,361 --> 00:05:01,001 Speaker 2: I just don't know what I'm going to like with 100 00:05:01,041 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: like real angst around, I just don't know what I 101 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,401 Speaker 2: want to be when I grow up. And I was like, 102 00:05:04,641 --> 00:05:08,441 Speaker 2: that's oka, Like, you got time. Don't create a worry 103 00:05:08,561 --> 00:05:11,121 Speaker 2: out of something that has got no backing to it 104 00:05:11,241 --> 00:05:13,681 Speaker 2: right now. Whatsoever, you're a kid, You've got to be 105 00:05:13,681 --> 00:05:16,041 Speaker 2: a kid. You've got to explore you are, go through 106 00:05:16,041 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: your childhood, learn about yourself through these coming years, and 107 00:05:20,401 --> 00:05:22,921 Speaker 2: with that we'll develop into that. If you've got a 108 00:05:22,961 --> 00:05:25,481 Speaker 2: passion something, stay with it, you know. Like both of 109 00:05:25,481 --> 00:05:27,801 Speaker 2: them are very passionate about what they do right now. 110 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:31,801 Speaker 2: Is Gracie going to be a professional dancer? I'm sure 111 00:05:32,241 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: at the moment, they're happy and they're passionate about what 112 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:37,801 Speaker 2: they're doing outside of school, and there is absolutely no 113 00:05:37,841 --> 00:05:41,081 Speaker 2: worry about it from their age perspective. Your girls at 114 00:05:41,081 --> 00:05:43,961 Speaker 2: the moment have just had a taste of money. When 115 00:05:44,041 --> 00:05:47,081 Speaker 2: I got my first job, when I first moved to Brisbane. 116 00:05:47,121 --> 00:05:49,081 Speaker 2: It was like a first full time job. I had 117 00:05:49,121 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: money rolling in. Oh my gosh, I wasn't a millionaire, 118 00:05:52,521 --> 00:05:55,241 Speaker 2: but it was still like, Wow, I can make all 119 00:05:55,241 --> 00:05:57,041 Speaker 2: of this. I was like, why would I want to 120 00:05:57,081 --> 00:05:59,761 Speaker 2: go to UNI? I'll got cash in the bank all 121 00:05:59,801 --> 00:06:01,601 Speaker 2: of those things. So I wonder if your girls are 122 00:06:01,641 --> 00:06:05,481 Speaker 2: like starting to go down that lenk of like money 123 00:06:06,281 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: over purpose and passion because of their age. 124 00:06:10,961 --> 00:06:13,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Holly's working at Walworth. She does a lot 125 00:06:13,521 --> 00:06:17,041 Speaker 1: of hours and she is definitely enjoying the money. She 126 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: definitely knows that she wants to do something that she 127 00:06:23,121 --> 00:06:26,921 Speaker 1: finds more fun than that. Yeah, and she also wants 128 00:06:26,961 --> 00:06:29,601 Speaker 1: to do something that earns the more money because she's 129 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:33,841 Speaker 1: already already She's already talking about how her hourly rates. 130 00:06:33,681 --> 00:06:37,161 Speaker 2: Low, which is great. That's how she's learning what she wants. 131 00:06:37,921 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: But also when I was thinking about them and what 132 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:44,801 Speaker 1: job they want to do when they finish school, I 133 00:06:44,841 --> 00:06:48,521 Speaker 1: also was then thinking about us and other people our 134 00:06:48,601 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: age in that I feel like we get to a 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,961 Speaker 1: point where we go are we actually doing what we 136 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:56,881 Speaker 1: want to do? And I know that you are going 137 00:06:56,921 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: through a bit of a stage at the moment where 138 00:06:59,841 --> 00:07:01,801 Speaker 1: you're trying to work out exactly what it is that 139 00:07:02,001 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: gives you passion. 140 00:07:03,281 --> 00:07:05,281 Speaker 2: I know what makes me happy, and I know where 141 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,921 Speaker 2: my passion and purpose is lying. But then I have 142 00:07:09,121 --> 00:07:12,041 Speaker 2: other odds against me, which is the logistics of having 143 00:07:12,041 --> 00:07:19,201 Speaker 2: a family, being predominantly the sole cara and having logistically 144 00:07:19,281 --> 00:07:23,001 Speaker 2: two kids spread across Brisbane at two different schools, and 145 00:07:23,161 --> 00:07:26,161 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of that relies on me. And 146 00:07:26,281 --> 00:07:29,361 Speaker 2: so I know what I'm good at and I love 147 00:07:29,521 --> 00:07:34,001 Speaker 2: what I do, but logistically, the hours in which people 148 00:07:34,081 --> 00:07:37,401 Speaker 2: want to do movement and those sorts of things is 149 00:07:37,441 --> 00:07:40,761 Speaker 2: exactly in peak time of kids. So I'm in a 150 00:07:40,761 --> 00:07:44,121 Speaker 2: place of going, how do I still do what I 151 00:07:44,161 --> 00:07:47,881 Speaker 2: love but within the odd hours when no one wants 152 00:07:47,961 --> 00:07:50,161 Speaker 2: to do it. So then I'm like, okay, we'll have 153 00:07:50,241 --> 00:07:53,081 Speaker 2: to rejig what that looks like. Is it going to 154 00:07:53,081 --> 00:07:56,361 Speaker 2: be within the same industry. I love people like I 155 00:07:56,401 --> 00:07:59,041 Speaker 2: love being of service to others. I love helping people 156 00:07:59,161 --> 00:08:02,121 Speaker 2: understand and learn and do all of that stuff. But yeah, 157 00:08:02,161 --> 00:08:05,361 Speaker 2: so mine is logistically around that. I imagine heap of 158 00:08:05,441 --> 00:08:08,361 Speaker 2: mums and dads out there the same thing. But yeah, 159 00:08:08,401 --> 00:08:10,361 Speaker 2: at that place where you're like, well, I just have 160 00:08:10,401 --> 00:08:12,241 Speaker 2: to work between nine and two. 161 00:08:12,401 --> 00:08:16,441 Speaker 1: I think in a relationship as well, often there is 162 00:08:16,961 --> 00:08:20,961 Speaker 1: one person that's following their career and the other one. Yeah, 163 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:22,481 Speaker 1: not necessarily. 164 00:08:21,961 --> 00:08:24,001 Speaker 2: Because or the other things. I don't want to go 165 00:08:24,041 --> 00:08:24,761 Speaker 2: down that. Yeah. 166 00:08:24,801 --> 00:08:27,321 Speaker 1: So I've got a question for you. If you could 167 00:08:27,361 --> 00:08:31,241 Speaker 1: do your absolute dream job and put kids and their 168 00:08:31,281 --> 00:08:33,961 Speaker 1: needs a side for the second yeah, what would it be? 169 00:08:35,161 --> 00:08:37,321 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what was my list when I 170 00:08:37,361 --> 00:08:43,761 Speaker 2: was ten? I still love the wellness industry, so I 171 00:08:43,881 --> 00:08:48,241 Speaker 2: love where it's evolving too. So my dream job would 172 00:08:48,321 --> 00:08:54,081 Speaker 2: incorporate travel and wellness and helping others. So maybe retreats 173 00:08:54,241 --> 00:08:59,321 Speaker 2: or maybe the online space. I genuinely know it's within 174 00:08:59,361 --> 00:09:02,721 Speaker 2: the wellness industry, but I don't know where. You know, 175 00:09:02,841 --> 00:09:04,761 Speaker 2: I was doing group classes for two and a half 176 00:09:04,881 --> 00:09:08,561 Speaker 2: year is at Rumble, and then all of a sudden 177 00:09:08,601 --> 00:09:11,161 Speaker 2: that stopped, and then you sort of like what, like, 178 00:09:11,761 --> 00:09:14,321 Speaker 2: you know, I didn't realize how much of an identity 179 00:09:14,321 --> 00:09:17,681 Speaker 2: piece I had. It aligned with that because it did 180 00:09:17,761 --> 00:09:21,241 Speaker 2: something for me. It completely brought me out of my shell. 181 00:09:21,481 --> 00:09:24,841 Speaker 2: I had skills that I didn't even know until I 182 00:09:24,881 --> 00:09:27,721 Speaker 2: stepped on stage and was teaching in those classes there 183 00:09:28,401 --> 00:09:30,681 Speaker 2: and then you know with that you sort of go okay, 184 00:09:30,721 --> 00:09:34,241 Speaker 2: well wow, Like I surprised myself. I had all those 185 00:09:34,241 --> 00:09:37,001 Speaker 2: skills hidden away because I was too I know it 186 00:09:37,001 --> 00:09:40,241 Speaker 2: sounds really hard for people that listen into this every week, 187 00:09:40,241 --> 00:09:43,241 Speaker 2: but I am quite introverted in moments, in hot moments. 188 00:09:43,801 --> 00:09:45,521 Speaker 2: That particular job did not allow it. 189 00:09:46,041 --> 00:09:46,361 Speaker 1: Yeah. 190 00:09:46,361 --> 00:09:49,241 Speaker 2: So yeah, it would incorporate wellness, It would incorporate travel, 191 00:09:49,921 --> 00:09:52,841 Speaker 2: It would incorporate being of service to others and helping 192 00:09:52,841 --> 00:09:55,441 Speaker 2: them with their wellness. Where it looks in that space. 193 00:09:55,441 --> 00:09:59,321 Speaker 1: We should do a who even are we retreat? 194 00:10:00,841 --> 00:10:02,961 Speaker 2: We should have a whole identity piece around it. 195 00:10:03,081 --> 00:10:06,521 Speaker 1: Dmaster, if you'd be interested in that, I'm being serious. 196 00:10:07,241 --> 00:10:07,921 Speaker 1: Where can we go? 197 00:10:08,001 --> 00:10:10,681 Speaker 2: We can't. It have to be in Australia somewhere for starters, 198 00:10:10,721 --> 00:10:11,681 Speaker 2: just to kick it off. 199 00:10:11,841 --> 00:10:15,761 Speaker 1: Imagine if you did like a Nooser or a bar 200 00:10:15,881 --> 00:10:16,521 Speaker 1: and Bay. 201 00:10:16,561 --> 00:10:19,361 Speaker 2: Could you imagine it'd still be around wellness. But we're 202 00:10:19,401 --> 00:10:22,961 Speaker 2: all going to hire bikes in the Champagne region. Yes, 203 00:10:23,161 --> 00:10:25,641 Speaker 2: And I'm going to teach you about Champagne and food 204 00:10:25,761 --> 00:10:28,041 Speaker 2: and movement and wellness as a whole. 205 00:10:28,281 --> 00:10:31,521 Speaker 1: And then we're gonna cycle. We're gonna we ride out 206 00:10:31,601 --> 00:10:33,921 Speaker 1: cycle off to the next one, we're. 207 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:37,681 Speaker 2: Going to ride out pushes from vineyard to vineyard. Oh 208 00:10:37,681 --> 00:10:38,561 Speaker 2: my god, dream job. 209 00:10:38,641 --> 00:10:41,681 Speaker 1: No, I'm deadly serious, DMS if you're interested in starting 210 00:10:41,681 --> 00:10:45,481 Speaker 1: a retreat, because the other thing is, and you touched 211 00:10:45,521 --> 00:10:48,921 Speaker 1: on Rumble. Your job gives you a sense of purpose too, 212 00:10:49,201 --> 00:10:54,121 Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't realize the extent to it until 213 00:10:54,161 --> 00:10:56,241 Speaker 1: you're out of it. So I know Rumble for you, 214 00:10:56,561 --> 00:10:58,721 Speaker 1: and we've touched on it before, but I remember when 215 00:10:58,761 --> 00:11:03,241 Speaker 1: you lost your job at Rumble and I just went, oh, yeah, 216 00:11:03,281 --> 00:11:05,441 Speaker 1: but she's okay because they've got other stuff gone going on, 217 00:11:05,521 --> 00:11:07,161 Speaker 1: and you know, Sam's got work and all the rest 218 00:11:07,161 --> 00:11:09,081 Speaker 1: of it, so she's fine. And it wasn't until that 219 00:11:09,121 --> 00:11:12,321 Speaker 1: evening that I went hang on that was a real 220 00:11:13,241 --> 00:11:17,361 Speaker 1: identity piece for Rach Like she was really good at that. 221 00:11:17,921 --> 00:11:21,241 Speaker 1: She enjoyed that there was a sense of community. 222 00:11:21,881 --> 00:11:25,401 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was bringing people together and everyone was getting 223 00:11:25,441 --> 00:11:28,641 Speaker 2: in doing the hard work together. You know, like that's 224 00:11:28,681 --> 00:11:31,241 Speaker 2: one of my things that I absolutely love doing, which 225 00:11:31,281 --> 00:11:34,361 Speaker 2: I didn't know, Like obviously I was a personal trainer 226 00:11:34,401 --> 00:11:36,681 Speaker 2: before that, had never done group classes. But then you're 227 00:11:36,721 --> 00:11:39,481 Speaker 2: thrown in a situation where you're conducting like a room 228 00:11:39,521 --> 00:11:42,361 Speaker 2: of forty people working out at the same time at 229 00:11:42,441 --> 00:11:43,921 Speaker 2: immense high intensity. 230 00:11:44,121 --> 00:11:45,201 Speaker 1: Yeah it's high energy. 231 00:11:45,321 --> 00:11:47,401 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's high energy, high intensity. 232 00:11:47,601 --> 00:11:50,401 Speaker 1: It was like a nightclub. It was like going in 233 00:11:50,441 --> 00:11:51,361 Speaker 1: to do boxing in a. 234 00:11:51,441 --> 00:11:56,721 Speaker 2: Nightclub, but watching people reach their potential that they didn't 235 00:11:56,761 --> 00:12:00,081 Speaker 2: even know they had. I wouldn't have learnt that about 236 00:12:00,121 --> 00:12:03,121 Speaker 2: myself if I hadn't experienced rumble. Yeah. 237 00:12:03,161 --> 00:12:05,641 Speaker 1: And I remember watching you that time and I was like, wow, 238 00:12:05,761 --> 00:12:07,841 Speaker 1: Rich is really good at this. Like it was almost 239 00:12:07,841 --> 00:12:10,321 Speaker 1: like you were in your element. It was fitness. You 240 00:12:10,361 --> 00:12:13,201 Speaker 1: were teaching people what they needed to do, technique, why 241 00:12:13,241 --> 00:12:15,961 Speaker 1: they needed to do it, come on, motivating them. Yeah, 242 00:12:16,001 --> 00:12:19,601 Speaker 1: but you also got your Britney Spears mic up there. 243 00:12:19,961 --> 00:12:23,561 Speaker 2: Out of Brittany moment. Every single day. For me, I've 244 00:12:23,641 --> 00:12:27,001 Speaker 2: like I've got music, I've got movement. Everyone's working hard, 245 00:12:27,041 --> 00:12:30,521 Speaker 2: we're having a laugh. For me, that's movement, Like that's 246 00:12:30,561 --> 00:12:32,721 Speaker 2: what feels my bucket and that's what makes me go 247 00:12:32,841 --> 00:12:36,001 Speaker 2: back to a what we call it a gym, but 248 00:12:36,161 --> 00:12:40,001 Speaker 2: like a community of like minded people. Gyms are full 249 00:12:40,041 --> 00:12:43,641 Speaker 2: of like minded people. You know, some people see them 250 00:12:43,641 --> 00:12:45,881 Speaker 2: as a chore, some people see them as part of 251 00:12:45,921 --> 00:12:48,521 Speaker 2: their family. And that's what it felt like by the 252 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,601 Speaker 2: end of rum War was I was lucky enough to 253 00:12:50,801 --> 00:12:53,441 Speaker 2: be a part of a community that became like family 254 00:12:53,521 --> 00:12:55,841 Speaker 2: to me for two and a half years. So yeah, 255 00:12:55,961 --> 00:12:59,641 Speaker 2: to say identity, I probably went into that not knowing 256 00:13:00,121 --> 00:13:02,321 Speaker 2: a part of me. And then you know, they say 257 00:13:02,321 --> 00:13:04,841 Speaker 2: that you take a lesson from every sort of job 258 00:13:05,321 --> 00:13:07,841 Speaker 2: like pathway that you go down, and obviously that was 259 00:13:08,001 --> 00:13:11,041 Speaker 2: you know, there was definitely in there for me that 260 00:13:11,121 --> 00:13:13,481 Speaker 2: there was so much more to me that I had 261 00:13:13,481 --> 00:13:17,281 Speaker 2: to offer that maybe I was hiding away behind things 262 00:13:17,361 --> 00:13:18,041 Speaker 2: or other people. 263 00:13:18,561 --> 00:13:20,361 Speaker 1: So when that came to an end. 264 00:13:20,521 --> 00:13:23,921 Speaker 2: I was gutted. I was gutted for so many reasons. 265 00:13:23,961 --> 00:13:26,281 Speaker 2: I was gutted for the people who had tried to 266 00:13:26,321 --> 00:13:28,441 Speaker 2: make this business work over and over and over again, 267 00:13:28,601 --> 00:13:31,481 Speaker 2: because it'd been through like three different owners. But you know, 268 00:13:31,521 --> 00:13:35,161 Speaker 2: there's so many things stacked up about Gym's being successful. 269 00:13:36,041 --> 00:13:38,041 Speaker 2: So I was gutted for that. I was gutted in 270 00:13:38,081 --> 00:13:39,841 Speaker 2: the way that it happened. I was gutted for the 271 00:13:39,921 --> 00:13:43,561 Speaker 2: members because it was part of their every single day 272 00:13:43,681 --> 00:13:46,361 Speaker 2: and then it was just gone like that. So that 273 00:13:46,641 --> 00:13:49,801 Speaker 2: part of me of letting people down, it just kept 274 00:13:49,841 --> 00:13:54,321 Speaker 2: on giving. I was like, why wasn't my business. No, 275 00:13:54,721 --> 00:13:58,801 Speaker 2: that basis of like what you invest of yourself into 276 00:13:58,881 --> 00:14:01,841 Speaker 2: a job, it really shines through with some things that 277 00:14:01,881 --> 00:14:04,641 Speaker 2: you do. Again if you would have like you know, 278 00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:08,321 Speaker 2: roll reversa. You know, when I finished flying and I 279 00:14:08,401 --> 00:14:11,761 Speaker 2: moved back home, like I finished up with the airline, 280 00:14:12,121 --> 00:14:16,201 Speaker 2: I thought in my head, Oh, that's fine, I'll go 281 00:14:16,481 --> 00:14:19,441 Speaker 2: and I'll try UNI and I'll you know, I'll try this, 282 00:14:19,601 --> 00:14:21,961 Speaker 2: and I'm I think I ready to settle down Like 283 00:14:22,481 --> 00:14:25,721 Speaker 2: nowadays when I think about it, I just go. I 284 00:14:25,841 --> 00:14:29,441 Speaker 2: was so far from ready, like so far, but I 285 00:14:29,481 --> 00:14:31,481 Speaker 2: didn't have a clue who I was or what I 286 00:14:31,521 --> 00:14:34,801 Speaker 2: was doing because and I didn't realize at the time, Katie, 287 00:14:35,001 --> 00:14:38,961 Speaker 2: how much I was getting from traveling the world, meeting 288 00:14:39,001 --> 00:14:42,001 Speaker 2: new people again coming back to that people part and 289 00:14:42,041 --> 00:14:44,841 Speaker 2: that community. Like some people think that, you know, being 290 00:14:44,881 --> 00:14:47,681 Speaker 2: a flight attendant is like the most boring job in 291 00:14:47,721 --> 00:14:49,641 Speaker 2: the world, Like why would you want to be you know, 292 00:14:49,841 --> 00:14:53,401 Speaker 2: because look at the destination every single time and the 293 00:14:53,441 --> 00:14:56,761 Speaker 2: purpose of that. For me, I saw myself as I'm 294 00:14:56,801 --> 00:15:01,521 Speaker 2: here to get passengers safely from A to B. That 295 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:03,721 Speaker 2: was my purpose. I hadn't care about the chicken fish 296 00:15:03,721 --> 00:15:04,161 Speaker 2: in between. 297 00:15:04,321 --> 00:15:08,721 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah. I had air hostess as one of my 298 00:15:09,201 --> 00:15:12,121 Speaker 1: jobs that I wanted to do when I was at school. 299 00:15:12,281 --> 00:15:16,361 Speaker 1: I definitely had it on my list of interests to do. 300 00:15:16,521 --> 00:15:21,281 Speaker 1: And the other interest was journalism, and I went into 301 00:15:22,041 --> 00:15:25,401 Speaker 1: the journalism course wanting to do print. I wanted to 302 00:15:25,401 --> 00:15:26,441 Speaker 1: write for magazines. 303 00:15:26,681 --> 00:15:28,961 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, oh my god, they've always proud us. 304 00:15:30,121 --> 00:15:34,601 Speaker 1: Be out of a job. Now some of them still are. 305 00:15:34,641 --> 00:15:36,761 Speaker 2: They just hanging on. 306 00:15:38,241 --> 00:15:41,681 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until this particular course that it did. 307 00:15:42,081 --> 00:15:45,201 Speaker 1: They had too many people in print, and so they 308 00:15:45,201 --> 00:15:47,041 Speaker 1: had to put a certain amount of people into radio, 309 00:15:47,681 --> 00:15:50,521 Speaker 1: and so I did the radio course and then I 310 00:15:50,561 --> 00:15:54,361 Speaker 1: was just obsessed and then had a very long career 311 00:15:54,401 --> 00:15:56,281 Speaker 1: in radio. Trying to work it out the other day. 312 00:15:56,321 --> 00:16:00,001 Speaker 1: I think it was like about fifteen years I think 313 00:16:00,681 --> 00:16:05,361 Speaker 1: started in England working for a radio station. This is 314 00:16:05,361 --> 00:16:08,881 Speaker 1: going to cross into the millennial versus gen Z conversation 315 00:16:08,921 --> 00:16:11,041 Speaker 1: that we're going to have in a second, But back 316 00:16:11,081 --> 00:16:14,121 Speaker 1: then I wanted to work for my local radio station. 317 00:16:14,241 --> 00:16:16,961 Speaker 1: And I was working at a bank and it was 318 00:16:17,041 --> 00:16:19,801 Speaker 1: so fucking boring. I was working in the post room. 319 00:16:19,921 --> 00:16:22,801 Speaker 1: I was opening a post in a bank two and 320 00:16:22,841 --> 00:16:26,001 Speaker 1: I cried every single day. I was in that mail 321 00:16:26,121 --> 00:16:30,241 Speaker 1: room and I was opening the fucking post and I was, 322 00:16:30,081 --> 00:16:33,841 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I called in sick 323 00:16:33,881 --> 00:16:37,601 Speaker 1: for a week. And in that week I went down 324 00:16:37,681 --> 00:16:39,921 Speaker 1: to well there's a bit of gen Z behavior. 325 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:43,321 Speaker 2: Called in sick for a week. Oh my god, someone 326 00:16:43,321 --> 00:16:45,761 Speaker 2: didn't get them out for a whole entire week. It 327 00:16:45,961 --> 00:16:46,681 Speaker 2: is crazy. 328 00:16:47,321 --> 00:16:50,521 Speaker 1: And I went down to my local radio station, Power FM, 329 00:16:50,881 --> 00:16:55,681 Speaker 1: and I sat in the waiting room and I said 330 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:58,641 Speaker 1: to the receptionist, I really want a job here, and 331 00:16:58,681 --> 00:17:01,961 Speaker 1: I went every day I got there. On the Friday, 332 00:17:02,481 --> 00:17:07,121 Speaker 1: the marketing manager came out and the receptionist Sue. I remember, 333 00:17:07,521 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: she went, oh, Sophie, this girl has been here every 334 00:17:11,521 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: single day this week. She really wants a job. And 335 00:17:14,321 --> 00:17:16,921 Speaker 1: I went, I'm happy to make tea and coffee. I'll 336 00:17:16,921 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. And she went, well, do you 337 00:17:19,441 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: want to audition for Street Team? So Street Team right, 338 00:17:22,681 --> 00:17:26,321 Speaker 1: which was driving the branded cars, go out to events, 339 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: give people free stickers and shit and turn up at 340 00:17:30,201 --> 00:17:32,881 Speaker 1: all the things. And I went from a full time 341 00:17:33,001 --> 00:17:37,561 Speaker 1: job at the bank to seventeen hours a week and 342 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,761 Speaker 1: I think I earned four hundred pounds a month, so 343 00:17:41,761 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: about eight hundred dollars a month. I was just so 344 00:17:45,681 --> 00:17:48,601 Speaker 1: excited to be there, and during that time I then 345 00:17:49,041 --> 00:17:52,201 Speaker 1: spent every single day there. I was learning. I got 346 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: one of the presenters to teach me how to use 347 00:17:54,681 --> 00:17:57,521 Speaker 1: the studio. From there, I was able to then be 348 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: what's called a panel operator, which is playing out the 349 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,321 Speaker 1: stuff in that's so pressing all the buttons in the studio, 350 00:18:03,441 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: playing out songs and things like that. Not actually talking 351 00:18:07,001 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: myself on the radio. No. And then one day I 352 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,561 Speaker 1: was there on a Saturday evening. I did Saturday nights there. 353 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:16,001 Speaker 1: H All my teenage friends were going, what are you doing? 354 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: Work you on a Saturday night. I was like, no, 355 00:18:17,761 --> 00:18:20,521 Speaker 1: but I really want to do this. And the program 356 00:18:20,561 --> 00:18:23,641 Speaker 1: director called me and he said, the overnight presenter has 357 00:18:23,681 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: called in sick. Can you just stay on and play 358 00:18:27,001 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: music through the night? And I went, I can stay on, 359 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,921 Speaker 1: but I want to do my own show, and he went, okay, 360 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,721 Speaker 1: well keep it really simple. We'll have a listen tomorrow 361 00:18:37,721 --> 00:18:38,681 Speaker 1: and see how you did. 362 00:18:39,001 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: That's like such a like wild card because because there's 363 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: no way that they would have let Joe blow like 364 00:18:47,281 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you must have proved yourself 365 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:53,041 Speaker 2: to a degree for him to have that, you know, like, Okay, 366 00:18:53,321 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: we'll see how it goes tomorrow. There's no way. 367 00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:57,921 Speaker 1: I did one am to six am. 368 00:18:57,761 --> 00:19:00,601 Speaker 2: Rah mining at that time, no. 369 00:19:00,481 --> 00:19:04,801 Speaker 1: One taxi drivers. My mum was listening. She sat up 370 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: in bed all night with it on a little radio, 371 00:19:07,441 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: alarm clock radio. And it went from there and then 372 00:19:10,521 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I you know, did traffic from the plane and some 373 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: really cool stuff. Moved to Sydney, worked at TODAYFM, moved 374 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: to Brisbane, worked at Nova for nine years now. When 375 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,841 Speaker 1: that all came to it, I was going. 376 00:19:23,801 --> 00:19:26,201 Speaker 2: To say, when that finished up, I remember having some 377 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,081 Speaker 2: very big conversations with you. 378 00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:30,361 Speaker 1: It was really interesting, and even six years on, I'm 379 00:19:30,441 --> 00:19:34,321 Speaker 1: learning about how that felt, because that was definitely a 380 00:19:34,321 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: loss of identity. 381 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,041 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, because I think radio comes to a form 382 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,561 Speaker 2: of status. You know, you get invited to things, and 383 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,281 Speaker 2: I'm not being disrespectful to radio hosts, but you get 384 00:19:44,281 --> 00:19:46,721 Speaker 2: invited to things because you're going to talk about it. 385 00:19:46,721 --> 00:19:50,281 Speaker 2: It's content. You have to come with content every single day, 386 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,401 Speaker 2: so then people would invite you to things. It becomes 387 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,801 Speaker 2: a status for you and a place within your community 388 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: and society. And so I think with that, like some 389 00:20:00,921 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: of the conversations we had led around that loss of identity, yeah, 390 00:20:05,241 --> 00:20:07,561 Speaker 2: as well as like you know, who am I now? 391 00:20:07,721 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: Where do I sort of fit in? 392 00:20:09,761 --> 00:20:13,801 Speaker 1: And I joked for a while rate of going, oh yeah, no, 393 00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:16,081 Speaker 1: I used to get invited to that because I used 394 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: to be someone. 395 00:20:17,521 --> 00:20:18,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. 396 00:20:20,921 --> 00:20:21,361 Speaker 1: Someone. 397 00:20:21,961 --> 00:20:22,241 Speaker 2: Yeah. 398 00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting because you don't realize when you're in it. 399 00:20:24,721 --> 00:20:28,241 Speaker 1: It feels like just a job. When I said just 400 00:20:28,281 --> 00:20:31,281 Speaker 1: a job, it was a really enjoyable job. I love 401 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,761 Speaker 1: I really love doing it. Don't get me wrong. I 402 00:20:34,761 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: got anxiety, Like I would have a week's holiday and 403 00:20:39,441 --> 00:20:43,201 Speaker 1: then going back, I'd always have this reoccurring dream of 404 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm on the radio and I'm talking, and then I 405 00:20:47,281 --> 00:20:50,721 Speaker 1: can't play anything. Nothing's working, so I have to just talk, 406 00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: and like that was always like this bad dream that 407 00:20:54,281 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: I would have of going. 408 00:20:56,961 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: Just talking to Oh my god, I'm just. 409 00:20:58,761 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: Gonna talk, like I'm gonna run out of things to say. 410 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,801 Speaker 2: Podcast now, that was a really. 411 00:21:05,561 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: Interesting one, And I remember chatting to you at the 412 00:21:07,961 --> 00:21:10,521 Speaker 1: time about fair weather friends as well, and the people 413 00:21:10,561 --> 00:21:13,881 Speaker 1: that you lose when you're no longer valuable to them 414 00:21:14,001 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: because you can't do stuff for them anymore. You can't 415 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: get them concert tickets. You can't talk about their brand 416 00:21:20,561 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: on the radio, or the hairdressers that you go to, 417 00:21:23,761 --> 00:21:26,561 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. And so therefore you're no 418 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: longer of use, so they don't call you anymore, and 419 00:21:29,921 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: so you go, oh, hang over for a second. But 420 00:21:31,921 --> 00:21:34,281 Speaker 1: I was really close to that person and they've just 421 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: dropped off the face of the earth. 422 00:21:35,761 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 423 00:21:36,201 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: I thought we were friends. I thought they liked me 424 00:21:38,241 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: for me. Oh no, that's right. It's because of what 425 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,041 Speaker 1: they could get. And I remember you saying this will 426 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: end up being a really good thing, and I was like, 427 00:21:48,001 --> 00:21:50,441 Speaker 1: what the fu. Now I'm going to be a really 428 00:21:50,481 --> 00:21:52,801 Speaker 1: good thing, And you're like, well, yeah, because you're dropping 429 00:21:52,801 --> 00:21:54,321 Speaker 1: off the people that actually don't matter. 430 00:21:54,521 --> 00:21:57,761 Speaker 2: Well, they're not friends. You had created a story that 431 00:21:57,801 --> 00:22:00,321 Speaker 2: they were friends and they really liked me, and that 432 00:22:00,681 --> 00:22:03,401 Speaker 2: they're every week because of this, And you're like, at 433 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: the end of the day, business has been business, and 434 00:22:05,521 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: they absolutely know there's an agenda with everything, And I 435 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,881 Speaker 2: think what happens is it just clears out the shit 436 00:22:12,441 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: in order for the ones that are there for the 437 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: real reason and the right reason. 438 00:22:16,441 --> 00:22:20,561 Speaker 1: My friendships ever since leaving radio have been so much 439 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: better and so much more meaningful than they ever were 440 00:22:23,681 --> 00:22:26,801 Speaker 1: before that. And I think, firstly, yes, you're filtering out 441 00:22:26,801 --> 00:22:28,681 Speaker 1: the people that didn't really give a shit about you. 442 00:22:29,201 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: But secondly, there's also an element of distrust that people 443 00:22:35,801 --> 00:22:39,041 Speaker 1: are using you for what you can do for them. 444 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,561 Speaker 1: So yes, there is definitely the oh, I thought that 445 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,321 Speaker 1: they were a friend blah blah blah. But there is 446 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,041 Speaker 1: also the other side of it of going did I 447 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: fully give myself to that friendship or relationship? 448 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 449 00:22:50,761 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: No, I held back slightly because I regarded Yeah, I 450 00:22:55,521 --> 00:22:56,041 Speaker 1: think you. 451 00:22:56,001 --> 00:22:59,281 Speaker 2: Can do that, whether you're a radio person like a 452 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,321 Speaker 2: radio personality or I think there's a part of you 453 00:23:02,441 --> 00:23:04,721 Speaker 2: that becomes a little bit more heightened around it when 454 00:23:04,761 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: you yourself of use to others. You already knew that 455 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: you could be of use to others because you have 456 00:23:11,041 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: a place. You know, at that time, you had a 457 00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: place to sort of hold of you or hold an 458 00:23:16,801 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: opinion or hold a you know, to be able to 459 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: deliver it out to everyone that would listen. You obviously 460 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: would have had an agenda yourself. Yeah, you've got a 461 00:23:26,721 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: job to do. You need content for it. That is 462 00:23:29,481 --> 00:23:32,721 Speaker 2: what the outcome is. It was of similar nature around 463 00:23:32,801 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: finishing footy. Yeah, I was the more heightened one to 464 00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: sort of sit back and watch the people that were 465 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,281 Speaker 2: not even there for anyone else other than themselves. Yeah. 466 00:23:44,321 --> 00:23:47,401 Speaker 1: So Sam finished football in was it twenty eighteen? 467 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,761 Speaker 2: He's been retired for so long. 468 00:23:48,801 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: You gave that analogy as well. You were like, it 469 00:23:50,921 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: happened when Sam finished football. There were people that dropped 470 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,681 Speaker 1: off because you can't give them tickets to the game anymore. 471 00:23:57,041 --> 00:23:59,641 Speaker 2: Yeah. That and the fact that they were like, well, 472 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,521 Speaker 2: he's a nobody now. 473 00:24:01,201 --> 00:24:03,761 Speaker 1: M Yeah, he is. 474 00:24:03,721 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 2: Not in a status of being a player that is 475 00:24:07,481 --> 00:24:11,681 Speaker 2: relevant right now because he's no longer playing. He's being 476 00:24:11,681 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: pushed out into the paddock, still relevant, just over in 477 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: the back corner of there, not on the field every week. 478 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: It very much highlighted who was there for what reason, 479 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: and it took him longer to work that out than me. 480 00:24:26,521 --> 00:24:28,521 Speaker 2: But I wasn't the one that was you know, the 481 00:24:28,561 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: personality as such. 482 00:24:30,961 --> 00:24:33,761 Speaker 1: I think also there's an element of you use that 483 00:24:33,961 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: to your advantage as well. So just going back to 484 00:24:36,481 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: the would I get something for free and mention it 485 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: on the radio? That was a transaction that suited me. 486 00:24:42,961 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: Fine, Yeah, you knew what your agenda was because you 487 00:24:45,441 --> 00:24:48,441 Speaker 2: had work attached to it. You needed content for work 488 00:24:48,481 --> 00:24:51,201 Speaker 2: that was your job, so then therefore it was a transaction. 489 00:24:51,481 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd talk about a lot that whole fall and 490 00:24:54,681 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: star syndrome I call it, which I would imagine is 491 00:24:58,441 --> 00:24:59,561 Speaker 1: what Sam went through. 492 00:24:59,801 --> 00:25:03,321 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I still believe that they still have elements 493 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: of it now. 494 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you I. 495 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,761 Speaker 2: Can't go from like like for you, your reach was 496 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: probably way bigger. But at the same time, like he 497 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,721 Speaker 2: would run out in stadiums full of like one hundred 498 00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:15,521 Speaker 2: thousand people a majority of the time when they're winning, 499 00:25:15,561 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: they're all cheering your name. But you go from having 500 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,481 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people screaming your name to then being 501 00:25:20,481 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: your dad that's doing pick up and there's no one 502 00:25:23,801 --> 00:25:25,481 Speaker 2: screaming your name other than your ten year old and 503 00:25:25,521 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: your twelve year old screaming at you about why you 504 00:25:27,241 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: haven't brought them food or like why can't you get 505 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,521 Speaker 2: them a milkshake or like you know what I mean. Yeah, 506 00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:35,001 Speaker 2: so yeah, I get the fallen star syndrome. I do 507 00:25:35,041 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: believe that it takes different things to happen for certain 508 00:25:38,721 --> 00:25:41,401 Speaker 2: people to sort of see the light on the other 509 00:25:41,441 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: side of it, And it takes each and every one 510 00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:47,321 Speaker 2: of us different lengths of time to get there. I'm 511 00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:50,441 Speaker 2: not talking about myself though. Yeah, I was never the personality. 512 00:25:50,721 --> 00:25:54,841 Speaker 2: I removed myself from that world long before he'd retired 513 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:57,801 Speaker 2: because I had children that were my priorities. I saw 514 00:25:57,801 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: it as his job. 515 00:25:59,321 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: And I think people need different things as well. You 516 00:26:02,201 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: didn't need to be on the red carpet. You didn't 517 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,481 Speaker 1: need to be at every football game. Oh look this. 518 00:26:07,921 --> 00:26:12,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't part of my identity. I didn't utilize 519 00:26:12,481 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: his job to create my identity off the back of that. 520 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:17,561 Speaker 1: Yeah. 521 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: I also am very comfortable in my own skin, Katie, 522 00:26:19,961 --> 00:26:21,441 Speaker 2: to go like I am who I am, and I'm 523 00:26:21,441 --> 00:26:25,281 Speaker 2: not really gonna budge or just become a different version 524 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,041 Speaker 2: of me because my husband's got a job. No, thank you, 525 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:28,801 Speaker 2: that is not for me. 526 00:26:29,241 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my insecurities meant that I crave 527 00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: that validation. 528 00:26:36,681 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so healthy for you to be able to 529 00:26:38,721 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: see that, But you had to go through that shit 530 00:26:40,721 --> 00:26:43,761 Speaker 2: right to understand. Now you can see it, you reflect 531 00:26:43,801 --> 00:26:46,761 Speaker 2: on it. You probably have some feelings still attached to it, 532 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,121 Speaker 2: some emotions still attached to it, but the hard yards 533 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,961 Speaker 2: of that is done. That's why you can sit in 534 00:26:52,041 --> 00:26:55,001 Speaker 2: reflection with it now. That's the exciting part. You've uncovered 535 00:26:55,001 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: who you are and where you are now. 536 00:26:58,521 --> 00:27:02,041 Speaker 1: And I think, moving on to millennial versus gen z, 537 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: I think when I think back to those kind of jobs, 538 00:27:06,481 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: whether it's radio presenter, whether it's a footballer, it is 539 00:27:10,201 --> 00:27:14,441 Speaker 1: about hustling to start with, because people just don't walk 540 00:27:14,481 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: into those jobs. Like I feel very privileged to have 541 00:27:17,441 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: been able to do radio for so long, but I 542 00:27:20,201 --> 00:27:21,321 Speaker 1: also worked really hard. 543 00:27:21,561 --> 00:27:23,281 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say, but you hustled your ass 544 00:27:23,281 --> 00:27:26,001 Speaker 2: to get yourself even in the door. You didn't lead 545 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,801 Speaker 2: with expectation of, oh, what do you mean, I don't 546 00:27:28,801 --> 00:27:29,481 Speaker 2: get this job. 547 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. So when I say to my girls, when I started, 548 00:27:33,961 --> 00:27:37,041 Speaker 1: I offered up for free. When I first got to 549 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: do those overnight shows, I said, please don't pay me. 550 00:27:40,921 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: I really want to learn, I really want to get better, 551 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: and I really want to just be here. Don't pay 552 00:27:45,441 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: me back. Then you could do that. I think it's 553 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: something to do with modern slavery laws or whatever. You 554 00:27:50,241 --> 00:27:54,761 Speaker 1: can't do that anymore. But it's not about offering yourself 555 00:27:54,761 --> 00:27:57,881 Speaker 1: for free. But it's about having the mindset of, oh, 556 00:27:57,961 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: do what it takes to get there. When you look 557 00:28:00,921 --> 00:28:04,841 Speaker 1: at millennials and the lengths that they went to get 558 00:28:04,921 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: the those jobs and to show that they're keen and 559 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: to walk down and physically hand over a CV and 560 00:28:11,201 --> 00:28:14,441 Speaker 1: sell yourself. Then when you look at how they're doing 561 00:28:14,441 --> 00:28:17,041 Speaker 1: it now, just I said to my girls, go and 562 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: take a CV down. No one does that. You just 563 00:28:20,961 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: got to do it this. 564 00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: You got any skills even in just that one moment 565 00:28:26,281 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: of going in to take your CV into somewhere that 566 00:28:29,481 --> 00:28:33,441 Speaker 2: in itself, there's skills in that, Yeah, of having the confidence, 567 00:28:33,561 --> 00:28:35,041 Speaker 2: being able to ask for the person that you need 568 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,121 Speaker 2: to speak to, being like, you know. 569 00:28:37,441 --> 00:28:41,041 Speaker 1: Following up with hey, I was in last week just 570 00:28:41,081 --> 00:28:42,481 Speaker 1: wondering if you've had a look at my CV. 571 00:28:42,641 --> 00:28:44,641 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all of that. I saw this young kid 572 00:28:44,721 --> 00:28:46,641 Speaker 2: he was doing it, and I saw the mom sitting 573 00:28:46,681 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: in the car, and I kind of smiled and went, oh, 574 00:28:49,001 --> 00:28:50,881 Speaker 2: I kind of like that. Yes, it has an old 575 00:28:50,881 --> 00:28:54,081 Speaker 2: school feeling to it, But right now he doesn't even 576 00:28:54,201 --> 00:28:58,041 Speaker 2: know what he's learning because there's so many little skills 577 00:28:58,081 --> 00:29:01,881 Speaker 2: in that quality of being able to go in, ask 578 00:29:01,921 --> 00:29:04,641 Speaker 2: for the right person, deliver your CB, get on the 579 00:29:04,681 --> 00:29:08,761 Speaker 2: right look presentable, like there's so many little things in it, 580 00:29:08,801 --> 00:29:10,401 Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, you don't even know what you're 581 00:29:10,441 --> 00:29:12,921 Speaker 2: learning right now. But there's some good in this. Yeah, 582 00:29:13,041 --> 00:29:14,321 Speaker 2: whether you gets a job or not. 583 00:29:14,321 --> 00:29:15,881 Speaker 1: I've said the girl so many times, you can't go 584 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:19,921 Speaker 1: to a job interview in jeans, like old fashioned, maybe nothing. 585 00:29:20,001 --> 00:29:22,281 Speaker 1: You can go to the job interview in jeans. 586 00:29:22,801 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: I think personal presentation for me irrelevant of millennial or 587 00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: the next gen. I don't think that's odd school. I 588 00:29:30,281 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: think personal presentation is very important. I sit here in 589 00:29:34,361 --> 00:29:36,921 Speaker 2: active wear because we do a podcast. It allows me 590 00:29:36,961 --> 00:29:40,681 Speaker 2: to do that. But I mean, like it is important 591 00:29:40,721 --> 00:29:42,921 Speaker 2: time and place, what you wear, how you show up, 592 00:29:42,961 --> 00:29:44,881 Speaker 2: how you hold yourself, the way that you speak. 593 00:29:45,201 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: I think it's how keen you look, like, yeah, you 594 00:29:48,761 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: should be keen if you're going for a job you're 595 00:29:51,001 --> 00:29:53,921 Speaker 1: going to And then the work ethic is another thing. 596 00:29:54,081 --> 00:29:56,761 Speaker 1: There was something on TikTok that Holly showed me, and 597 00:29:56,801 --> 00:29:59,201 Speaker 1: it was this video and this guy was like, don't 598 00:29:59,241 --> 00:30:01,441 Speaker 1: go to work at five to nine. If you start 599 00:30:01,441 --> 00:30:04,401 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, you're not paid for that extra five minutes. 600 00:30:06,401 --> 00:30:10,121 Speaker 1: In my mind, if you start at nine and you 601 00:30:10,161 --> 00:30:11,361 Speaker 1: get there at nine, you're late. 602 00:30:11,681 --> 00:30:13,961 Speaker 2: We're not starting for another fifteen minutes by the time 603 00:30:13,961 --> 00:30:16,161 Speaker 2: you fluff about and get yourself ready at your desk. 604 00:30:16,241 --> 00:30:19,841 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've run a business for six years. I have 605 00:30:20,041 --> 00:30:24,121 Speaker 1: definitely had people that come in late then make their breakfast. 606 00:30:25,001 --> 00:30:27,601 Speaker 1: This is my time. Now, I'm paying you for this. 607 00:30:27,801 --> 00:30:30,161 Speaker 1: Now come in and how you are breakfast? 608 00:30:30,201 --> 00:30:30,361 Speaker 2: Now. 609 00:30:30,441 --> 00:30:35,481 Speaker 1: I had one staff member, rach who would say to me, Oh, 610 00:30:35,681 --> 00:30:37,561 Speaker 1: you know, I've had a look on my pacelip and 611 00:30:37,601 --> 00:30:42,201 Speaker 1: I've got this amount of sick leave that I can take. 612 00:30:42,521 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: Excuse me, sick leavers for when you're sick. Yeah, we 613 00:30:46,001 --> 00:30:47,121 Speaker 1: didn't do that, did we. 614 00:30:47,841 --> 00:30:53,161 Speaker 2: I mean a few times really hungover. But I was 615 00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:54,601 Speaker 2: like in my mid twenties. 616 00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:58,321 Speaker 1: I laughed to my girls. I call it millennial stamina. 617 00:30:58,721 --> 00:31:02,361 Speaker 1: So millennial stamina for me is I'll go, Okay, you 618 00:31:02,401 --> 00:31:04,961 Speaker 1: can have your night out, you can stay up all night. 619 00:31:05,041 --> 00:31:08,801 Speaker 1: I have one hour sleep if that. But you show 620 00:31:08,921 --> 00:31:11,041 Speaker 1: up the next day and you do what you've committed to. 621 00:31:11,201 --> 00:31:13,241 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Yes, I've also called and stick 622 00:31:13,361 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: on some of those mornings. But when I say to 623 00:31:15,761 --> 00:31:18,041 Speaker 1: my girls and they're like, oh, but we're really tired 624 00:31:18,081 --> 00:31:20,041 Speaker 1: because we had this going on the weekend. I'm like, 625 00:31:20,201 --> 00:31:23,041 Speaker 1: you committed to me today too, Yeah, you chose to 626 00:31:23,241 --> 00:31:27,081 Speaker 1: So you are going to school. Yeah, it's called millennial stamina. 627 00:31:27,241 --> 00:31:28,641 Speaker 1: I'm going to teach you how to do it. 628 00:31:28,801 --> 00:31:32,121 Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, I like that with that on a T shirt. 629 00:31:32,841 --> 00:31:34,721 Speaker 2: On that note, I don't know even though, that there 630 00:31:34,761 --> 00:31:40,001 Speaker 2: is any takeaways from today other than identity around purpose 631 00:31:40,081 --> 00:31:42,921 Speaker 2: and passion and doing something that you love. Yeah, what 632 00:31:42,961 --> 00:31:43,801 Speaker 2: was you saying at the stuff? 633 00:31:43,961 --> 00:31:48,121 Speaker 1: Understanding your purpose, understanding what you love doing and what 634 00:31:48,241 --> 00:31:53,681 Speaker 1: lights you up? And also the reflective stuff on Wow, 635 00:31:53,721 --> 00:31:57,521 Speaker 1: that's why I felt like I did. That's why leaving 636 00:31:57,521 --> 00:32:00,041 Speaker 1: that certain job made me feel like I was a 637 00:32:00,081 --> 00:32:01,921 Speaker 1: nobody sitting in. 638 00:32:01,761 --> 00:32:05,041 Speaker 2: A place of reflection. It allows time to then revalue 639 00:32:05,161 --> 00:32:07,001 Speaker 2: right where you are, maybe where you want to go. 640 00:32:07,721 --> 00:32:10,281 Speaker 2: Millennial stamina, millennial stamina. 641 00:32:10,481 --> 00:32:11,081 Speaker 1: Isn't it good? 642 00:32:13,761 --> 00:32:14,121 Speaker 2: M hm