1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Brittany Saunders, and welcome to Big Business Today. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: You've landed in a bonus episode and now someone's asked 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: me a question and it's got me thinking maybe I 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: could talk about this. I've got producers ander with me again. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Can't get it Wednesday, I can't get rid of jumping 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: jump it on the mic. I love the way you 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: respond to online slander slash negativity. Did you learn this somewhere? 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Great question? Oh, this is a big topic. 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Obviously, online bullying is like a huge thing and has 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: been for a very long time, and I don't know 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: if it's getting better or worse. It's probably getting worse 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: the longer time is going on. It's obviously a huge 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: and touchy subject. But did I learn to clap back 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: the way that I. 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: Do from anywhere? 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: I would say I've learned it in a couple of ways. Obviously, 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: I've been creating content online for a really long time. 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: I started making YouTube videos in high school, So when 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm in year eight or nine, that was my first 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: time of experiencing bullying through an online platform. I would 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: make and like you know what, looking back now, the 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: videos weren't very good, like they weren't anything amazing. I 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: was that one weird kid in year eight who had 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel because no one else did, and I 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: was sitting at home making these videos, and in particular, 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean I got bullied by a few people at school. 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Sorry I just burped. 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: But it was always the boys that would make fun 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: of me for my videos. 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: And it got to the point. 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: Always the boys. It's always a body boys. 32 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: There was one boy in particular who actually didn't go 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: to my school, but you know how you knew everyone 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: else in the same year at other schools near you, like, 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: we knew all the boys, and we knew everyone that 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: was in the same year eight as us at all 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: the other schools around Newcastle, and you're all kind of 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: friends somehow. So it was this one kid who was 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: in another school but friends with all the boys from 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: my year my school, and it got to the point 41 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: where he started making videos mocking me. So he put 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: a wig on and put a little skirt on and 43 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: he would say, hey, guys, I'm Brittany Leethon there like 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: full on taking the piece out of me. And because 45 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: they didn't have a YouTube channel, they'd post it on Facebook. 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: And I remember this so vividly him posting this video 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: and going onto the comments and seeing like a hundred 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: comments underneath it from everyone else in my year at school, 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: and then all the other people from like Katara High 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: and all the schools near us that we were friends 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: with as well, just everyone like writing in the comments 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: like ha ha ha ha ha, and like just fully 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: laughing at my own exprience, like just ha ha ha. 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: And these are my. 55 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: Peers, yeah, And I remember them just laughing at that video, 56 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: and I was so upset by it, like crying, and 57 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: like my mom didn't really understand like what I was 58 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: doing on YouTube at the time, like just making these 59 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: stupid videos in my bedroom, and she would like blow 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: up at me because I'd become upset, and then she 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: would blow up at me, and. 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: You need to stop making these stupid videos, like. 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, she just wanted me to shut the thing down. 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: And that was her thing, like just fucking stop making 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: these stupid videos and these boys will. 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: Shut up kind of thing. Because it was really upsetting me. 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know what it was like, I don't 68 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: know where the drive came from, but I almost just 69 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: being picked on in that way as much as it 70 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: upset me at the time and I would cry over it. 71 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: I still kept making those videos, and I think it 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: was because. 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: I loved doing it. 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't just posting them on this little YouTube 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: thing and getting two hundred views that I loved. I 76 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: loved setting up the camera, I loved sitting down in 77 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: front of it. I love thinking of what I was 78 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: gonna say. Then I loved editing it. And you know, 79 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: spend two hours editing this video. 80 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: So I get a bullied a lot because I was 81 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: an Irish answer throughout school. 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: By the way, fun fact about Xander, he is a 83 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: pro Irish answer back. 84 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: Pro It's not my podcast, it's not about me, but 85 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: I am going to talk about me now. Ask it 86 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: a little all the time for being an ice dancer, 87 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: and I not once did it occur to me that 88 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: I should stop because I loved it so much, and 89 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: it was like it was just part of who I 90 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: am at that you're. 91 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Passionate about it, and I think that's what it's about. 92 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: It's I was passionate about making those videos. And even 93 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: though I had that boy making videos ripping me off 94 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: and mocking my name and everyone laughing in the comments 95 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and my mum was telling me just stop, like you know, 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: which I think is a sad mentality. 97 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: Its funny your mom, your mum's response will stopped, But 98 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: my parents' response were, well, what are they doing. 99 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah with their life? 100 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a lot more level headed response, 101 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: whereas I don't think my mum had it in her 102 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: to like educate me. 103 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: Liten to one of our previous episodes on BRIT's Personal Life, 104 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: you can get a full in depth look. 105 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. But even though you know, I was being picked 106 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: on and crying about it and being upset and it 107 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: was affecting me, I think it was because I was 108 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: passionate about making those videos and that was my thing, 109 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: and that was my hobby, and that was my thing 110 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: that I loved, like I never stopped. And I think 111 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: from that young age I was honestly in the eight 112 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: or nine, it taught me to be resilient and in 113 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: a way, it kind of like I started to have 114 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: fun with it. And I remember I started to make 115 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: videos that were a little bit weirder as well, so 116 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: that they would kind of like give me a bit 117 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: more feedback, like it's like you turn it into your fuel. 118 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Kind of thing. 119 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: And I think back to the question that someone asked me, 120 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: like did you learn this somewhere? I think I learned 121 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: it from that from being picked on for doing something 122 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: that I loved, and then as I kept going at it, 123 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: and because I loved it so much, and then this 124 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: little channel started growing, and then like the hater comments 125 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: from everyone at school started become less and less, and 126 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: I started getting some positive comments, and then I started 127 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: to build a little community. It almost was the fuel 128 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: to my fire kind of thing, and it kept me going. 129 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: So I think that's where I learned that. And the 130 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: second thing as well, on the question of like how 131 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: did you learn to clap back at the hate? I 132 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: think it's all about being able to take the piece 133 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: out of your self in a way and not taking 134 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: yourself so seriously all the time. So for example, like 135 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: if we get like a funny comment every now and then, 136 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: or someone trying to take a stab at me, like 137 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: I'll be the first person to take a stab at 138 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: myself before anyone else does. 139 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? 140 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, you've got to have a really good sense 141 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: of humor about it. 142 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and not everything is like, not everything is as 143 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: serious as it seems. Like if someone's gonna have a 144 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: go at me about something like, no, I'll be the 145 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: one to rip myself off. 146 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Actually yeah, like even like God, I post on TikTok 147 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: a bit more than usual now because you encouraging me. 148 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: And sometimes I get some you know, hateful comments and 149 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: you just got to laugh at it, and I just 150 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: come back with comedic response, and. 151 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: I think that's what. 152 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: I agree. What are they going to do? 153 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: I think that's it. 154 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: It's like being able to laugh at yourself, and like 155 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: posting yourself online is kind of you're making an idiot 156 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: of yourself. 157 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: Really, you can't have fun. 158 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: On social media if you're not having a bit of 159 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: fun and being an idiot. So then if someone's going 160 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: to come at you and say whatever it is, you know, 161 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm having. 162 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: Fun embarrassing yourself. Okay, well let me embarrass myself that. 163 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Yes, Like I'm going to laugh at myself before you do, 164 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: thank you very much. So it's about having fun with it. 165 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: And I guess another thing that I've learned after so 166 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: long of being online and having people criticize everything that 167 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: you do is I know it's so cliche to say, 168 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: but no one like happier. 169 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: Than you, or no one more successful than you is 170 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: going to hate on you. 171 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, people always say no one more successful than you 172 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: is going to hate on you. 173 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: I don't believe that one hundred percent, because there could 174 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: be a really. 175 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Successful person out there who absolutely hates on me, but 176 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they'd be happier than I am. 177 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: I can attest to that. Like, over the years, I've 178 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: been in some pretty dark times in my life and 179 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: I've admit it. I have taken that out on people 180 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: and online. And I'll be the first person to always 181 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: say that. And it's so true that if you're not 182 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: fulfilled with who you are or your life, it does 183 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: seep out towards other people and it's not nice. And God, 184 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: I look back on some things that I've said to 185 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: people like that, it's not who I am. 186 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: I think it's really a massive reflect not saying you now, Xander. 187 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: But like people that do leave hate online, it's it's 188 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: a reflection of like what they're going. 189 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: Through the life situation. 190 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I pity. 191 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: People, you know, if I do get like negative comment 192 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: or negative terrible feedback. There's a difference between like constructive 193 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: feedback and just straight up hate and negative, Yeah, you're shit. 194 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: But you know, if someone's going to come at me 195 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: and speak to me in that way and say you're 196 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: shit or this and that blah blah blah, the store 197 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: location you've got is wrong, whatever. 198 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: It is that they know. 199 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just I think, you know, what are 200 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: you doing in your life? Then, especially when it comes 201 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: to my business, when people try to educate me on 202 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: what I'm doing, I always write back and go, well, 203 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: what's your business called? 204 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: Then? Yeah, what would you suggest? 205 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you question? 206 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: What do you do in your business? Then that is 207 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: so good compared to me, they don't own a business answer. 208 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like it's really. 209 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: Interesting to obviously deal with online hate negativity. And I 210 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: will say, I'm so lucky, like I get a random 211 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: comment once in a blue moon these days. Back in 212 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: the YouTube days, it was a lot different, and there 213 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: was a lot of criticism around my appearance and my 214 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: body and everything like that. And I feel like, I 215 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: don't know, my audience has kind of grown up with me, 216 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: and I've got a new audience now and everyone takes 217 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: me a bit more seriously. 218 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: I guess. 219 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: Also, it's hard to come at someone who is very 220 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: apparently successful, like you can see it, like, what are 221 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: you meant to pick at? 222 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: Then? 223 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? 224 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well people still find no, they do, but. 225 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: It's much harder for you know, someone who has put 226 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: themselves out there for so long and then for them 227 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: to get that success, it's much harder for people to 228 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: come in on them after that. I found that with dancing. 229 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: I did competition my whole life. I used to perform 230 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: at school as to be made fun of. But then 231 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: do you think I was getting any comments or people 232 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: saying nasty things to me when I was too around 233 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: the world. 234 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: No, exactly right, because what are they going to say? 235 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: I think one of the exactly right. 236 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: And I think one of the hard things as well 237 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: is a lot of the criticism sometimes that people receive 238 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: just say like maybe this person's asked me this because 239 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: they're starting a business or whatever. A lot of the 240 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: criticism that people can get is actually from people that 241 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: they know, so it can be coming from their direct family, 242 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: and that makes it even harder because it's one thing 243 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: to receive a comment online from a stranger and to 244 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: be like, oh fuck, that kind of hurt. And don't 245 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: get me wrong, like hurtful comments hurt. Like, yes, we're 246 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: resilient and we just brush it off, but some of 247 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: them really hurt, and it can make you question yourself 248 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: and what you're doing. But for other people, especially stepping 249 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: into business, you can receive criticism from those in your 250 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: family and friends and people doubting you or not liking 251 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: your stupid little hobby kind of thing, and that's even harder. 252 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess I've learned to snap back at 253 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: the comments because I don't take myself that seriously at 254 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Like. 255 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: What's the best advice that you could give people out 256 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: there who are putting themselves out now, whether it be 257 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 3: in business, whether it be personally, whether they're just trying 258 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: to be funny on TikTok or whatever, and they're getting hate, 259 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: what's your best advice for them to kind of reframe 260 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: the narrative. 261 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say don't lean into that hate too much. 262 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the time, especially online, when 263 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: people are leaving hate comment after hate comment, they're looking 264 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: for a response, and you could very easily make that 265 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: your whole brand is just clapping back at hate, But 266 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: then you're inviting more hate at the same time, I 267 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: think it's fun every now and then to reply to 268 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: a cheeky comment or like, you know, get amongst it 269 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I would say, especially if it's 270 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: bothering you personally, to not fuel that hatred because you're 271 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: going to be bringing in more of it, and instead 272 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: just focus on whatever it is that you're trying to 273 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: do with that content or with your business or whatever 274 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: it may be, and like, remember what you're passionate about 275 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and why you started it in the first place, and 276 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: just keep driving for I would say, like, if it's content, 277 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: keep making that content. Let them leave their stupid comments, 278 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: and maybe you'll start getting some people leaving positive comments 279 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: as well. That would be my advice, like don't feed 280 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: the tiger too much. 281 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: I always say that the block button will solve most 282 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: of your problems. 283 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and oh my gosh, I love blocking people. I 284 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: love blocking people. I love what I. 285 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: Get me with my insane sense of justice, I always 286 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: have to I want to have the last word podcast. 287 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: You leave the last comment. Block. 288 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: Sometimes I get the most stupid comments I get is 289 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: on TikTok. 290 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: I find I feel like Instagram's community. 291 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: Everyone knows me, everyone gets me, everyone's on board, and 292 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: then it's when the videos go on TikTok and it 293 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: reaches a new audience. 294 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: Instagram is so much more personal. 295 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: Yes, so TikTok is where I get the dumb comments, 296 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: and I usually just go through and reply dumb shit, 297 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: or sometimes I literally just go block. It's just so 298 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: satisfying knowing this person, especially if they're coming at you 299 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: with like ten comments and you just go block. 300 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: I want a burner account, use one, two, three, five. 301 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: You don't even have a profile, like, shut the fuck up. 302 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I know, online bullying is a whole 303 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: realm of its own, and it's dangerous and it's scary, 304 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: and I think you know, something needs to be. 305 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: Done about it in the big picture. 306 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're obviously not going to dive right into 307 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: that rabbit hole today because this is just a bonus episode. 308 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, understand the power of the block button. Remember 309 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: why you're doing whatever it is that you're doing, whether 310 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: it's content, social media, maybe you're starting a personal brand 311 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: of business. Just don't lose sight of why you started 312 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: that thing in the first place and what your passions are. 313 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I guess just think of me 314 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: in high school when I started making those YouTube videos 315 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: and I was getting picked on, and for some reason, 316 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: something in the back of my mind told me keep 317 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: going and look where that took me. 318 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 3: Think about that little boy in dance class. You just 319 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: wanted to tour the world. 320 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: Exactly right. You literally went around the world. So yeah, 321 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: that would be my advice. And that's how I kind 322 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: of learned to be resilient. It's just having fun.