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Speaker 1: I'll get ada, Bloody Champions. Welcome to another installment of

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Speaker 1: the You Project. And when I say the You Project,

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Speaker 1: not really, well it is, but it isn't. Every now

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Speaker 1: and then I do what's called a co share, where

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Speaker 1: I've been on someone else's show and we do this

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Speaker 1: the other way around to where they've been on my show.

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Speaker 1: But I was recently on Josh Pitterman. Josh Pitterman, Me Me,

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Speaker 1: me me, you know miserrab and, Phantom of the Opera

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Speaker 1: and that world famous, famous or famous even singer, that

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Speaker 1: Australian product too. He and I have become good friends anyway.

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Speaker 1: He's got a amazing podcast called Behind the Mask, Behind

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Speaker 1: the Mask, you know, Phantom of the Opera, Mask, all

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Speaker 1: that shit. Yep, Sure I didn't need to explain that, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Bianca Chatfield, who's also a friend of mine, who played

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Speaker 1: Neddie for Australia Australian Diamonds, she was vice captain, she

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Speaker 1: played a million tests, she won Bloody, Commonwealth Games and

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Speaker 1: World Champs and she's a souperstar. Anyway, Bianca and myself

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Speaker 1: were on Josh's show recently. It went for a long

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Speaker 1: time one for a long time. I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: he's chatty, she's chatty, I'm chatty. It was a very

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Speaker 1: verbose experience all round, and we spoke about success. We

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Speaker 1: did a deep dive of success is different things for

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Speaker 1: different people. Different for the fantom of the opera to

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Speaker 1: the elite ex athlete now media personality and the ex

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Speaker 1: fat kid from Latrobalu who's trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: the fuck he's doing. All different. But it was a

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Speaker 1: really interesting conversation. So I've decided to take that very

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Speaker 1: long conversation and chop it in two to create two

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Speaker 1: installments of the project for your edification, for your uplifting. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: here it is have a good day.

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Speaker 2: My guest today, I know strangers to successes. The anchor

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Speaker 2: Chatfield is the former vice captain of the Australian women's

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Speaker 2: netball team, the Diamonds. She won gold medals at the

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games and the World Netball Championships. Since retiring, she's

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Speaker 2: gone on to do many things, a role as a

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Speaker 2: keynote speaker, she was a contestant on the Block and

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Speaker 2: she commentates on Fox Sports. Craig Harper is one of

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Speaker 2: Australia's most renowned leaders in health high performance, corporate change

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Speaker 2: and personal transformation. He founded, owned and ran Harper's Personal

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Speaker 2: Training for over twenty five years, which I believe is

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Speaker 2: the first personal training studio in the country.

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Speaker 3: He is also a renowned keynote speaker.

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Speaker 2: Craig has become a dear friend of mine and a

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Speaker 2: great mentor. He's an exercise scientist who you may have

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Speaker 2: seen on radio and television over many, many years, and

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Speaker 2: he's just about to complete his PhD in neuropsychology. Just

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Speaker 2: add that to the mix of successes. But as we know,

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Speaker 2: success is often in the eyes of the beholder, who

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Speaker 2: knows what's going on behind the mask of seemingly successful people.

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Speaker 2: So with the help of Harps and chatters, we're going

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Speaker 2: to go behind the mask of success.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, guys, love your work?

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Speaker 1: True? How did he do that all in one bloody,

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Speaker 1: beautiful foul swoop without auto.

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Speaker 2: Without well just stuffed it up twice before?

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Speaker 1: Well, you saw I had a couple of false stuff.

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Speaker 1: You saw Coldplay last night. You're a bit seedy. Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest. How was it?

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Speaker 3: It was epic? That so epic?

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Speaker 1: What do you love about him? And what did you

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Speaker 1: love about the experience all of a sudden, it's my show.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well you said, let's just make it a chat. I'm

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Speaker 1: just following instructures.

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Speaker 2: As you're off air. Before he went on air, it's

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Speaker 2: the the very very thin veil between his persona and

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Speaker 2: Like it's just you feel like you have a gateway

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Speaker 2: But in the process, he creates a oneness. And I

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Speaker 2: much duality. Are you you know? Are you positive or negative?

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Speaker 2: he removes the separate the tunis, the separateness, and he

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Speaker 4: And you know, I got that experience. I think when

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Speaker 4: Going into the MCG, which is obviously usually sport. It's

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Speaker 5: No hierarchy at all.

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Speaker 4: It was just everyone was there to experience this moment

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Speaker 4: I do some work with the MCG, and I walked

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Speaker 4: having people like Taylor Swift play at that venue and

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Speaker 2: that thread of oneness and twois were used to a

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Speaker 4: Age is irrelevant, Like it's you know, dads and their

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Speaker 3: It's so powerful, which just needs so much more of that.

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Speaker 1: It's not about anything but music, Like it's all. It's

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Speaker 2: And the presence of it, you know, something to be

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Speaker 2: there was one moment where Chris Martin said, okay, everyone

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Speaker 1: I love how we just did that, all right, you fucking.

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Speaker 2: And the guy in front of me like, everyone put

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it like, isn't the Graham grid just

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Speaker 4: But I mean, like when you're experiencing that actual concert.

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Speaker 4: It's funny that we all take all this footage. I

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Speaker 3: I've watched a little bit this morning.

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Speaker 2: It did sort of just take me back to the

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Speaker 3: I think I think there is a there is a

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Speaker 2: But I also think there's a place for putting the

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Speaker 2: I do gigs, I did, I did. I've done a

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Speaker 2: I just want them to beat, Like like Chris Martin,

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Speaker 2: I just want it to be a meditation for them.

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Speaker 2: I want them to be their present in it.

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Speaker 5: How do you go performing seeing everyone with their phones?

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Speaker 3: Ah? It just it just shits me a bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: I just like, yeah, so, but I'm guilty of it

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Speaker 2: we've we've heated up the space with a little prologue

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Speaker 2: as we as we like to do. But I want

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Speaker 2: to know, on the topic of success growing up, what

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Speaker 1: I want it. I don't want to be socially invisible.

434
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: I want to get a girlfriend. I want to fucking

435
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: belong like But then you dig deeper, it's like, well,

436
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: I just want love I just want to love right.

437
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: And so when we get to the bottom of everything,

438
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: I think what you said, which is most people that

439
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: I talk to, yes, they want practical stuff. As we

440
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: all do. Nothing wrong with that because we live in

441
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: a world somewhat driven by money and dependent on money

442
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: and all the practical.

443
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: Talk that recent episode with Ben Crow.

444
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: So there's nothing wrong with one of needing those extremes

445
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: I things we needed to live.

446
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Like well, even in you know, we got a little

447
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: biblical before, but even then the New Testament. People misquote

448
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: this scripture. They go, money is the root of all evil.

449
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: The actual scripture is the love of money is the root.

450
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: It's not about money, it's about your relationship. It's about

451
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: what it means. It's like you can like training, for example,

452
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: we all work out, we all go to the gym,

453
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: we're all you know, there's there's a point where training

454
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: is great, and then there's a point where it's now

455
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: obsessive and destructive and toxic. So in science language, everything's

456
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: dose dependent. Yes, it's dose dependent. Like everything, there's a

457
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: dose that's healthy, not everything, but most things. And so

458
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: that when you dig past what do you want, I

459
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: want to do this own that live there. I want

460
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: to get a PhD. Da da da da da. You know,

461
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Like for me, the idea of doing a PhD was

462
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: like super sexy. The practical reality is it's a motherfucker.

463
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: It's like I tell my friends, don't ever do it.

464
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: People have gone to me. Do you think I go? No, No, don't.

465
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 5: Why did you do?

466
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: It?

467
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: Probably feel a little bit more credible because I'm wildly

468
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: insecure and I've felt like a fucking fat pasta fraud,

469
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: you name it. Like, what's hilarious is this capacity that

470
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: we humans have to simultaneously feel like a fraud but

471
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: know that we're not. Like I know I'm not just

472
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: because I've got enough data now to suggest that or

473
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: I've got enough evidence right, But do I still feel

474
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: not good enough? Constantly? Constantly. It's like when when Josh

475
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: was introing you, I'm like, what the fuck is you

476
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: going to say about me? I'm like an ex fat

477
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: kid from La tro Valley.

478
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 6: I've done four things, oh, World champion, common shit, Commonwealth

479
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 6: games on the block TV, you know, And it's just

480
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 6: like even in that, but I'm aware of what's going on.

481
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: Yes, but that which is really important. It speaks to

482
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: your work is that I said that you've become a

483
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: really good friend and a mentor and.

484
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: You've really helped me.

485
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me, I go, that's a huge marker

486
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: of success in someone because it is in the the

487
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: whold or so for me, I go, You're you're so

488
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: successful because I watch you help people, and I value

489
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: people that help people.

490
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I tried selfishness for a long time. I gave it

491
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: a good crack.

492
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Speaker 3: I think we all do.

493
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I was, I was the center of

494
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: my world and it just you know, it's like there's

495
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: this model that I didn't develop of kind of expanded it,

496
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: but where you go through this journey of self kind

497
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: of self reflection through to self awareness and then you know,

498
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: self regulation and it ends up the last two.

499
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: There's eight tackle and self loathing might be.

500
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, self flagellation, and but the last two, the last second,

501
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: last one is I'm self actualization, which is you becoming

502
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of who you want it to be and how

503
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: you want it to be. And I'm I think I'm

504
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: like in that ballpark, But the real goal is what

505
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: I think is the final step, which is self transcendence,

506
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 1: which is having a purpose bigger than you, So it

507
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: ain't about me, and I know that for me, and

508
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: yet it sounds mother Teresa and people might go, oh,

509
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: that's good saying a podcast, and I get it because

510
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not it a lot, But I try to

511
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: be where I do have a purpose bigger than me,

512
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm about genuinely about whatever love looks like,

513
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: whether it's kindness, whether it's quality time, whether it's a hug,

514
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, literally giving someone a few bucks,

515
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: or whether it's encouragement or you know, every now and

516
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: then it will be some tough love, but you know

517
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: it's that transcendent kind of existence because I think in

518
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: that model of successes about what I can get and

519
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: what I can have and what I can own and earn,

520
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: and what people think of me at the best. What

521
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: that brings us is a fleeting change of emotion and psychology,

522
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: like there's not It doesn't bring my experience, it doesn't

523
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: bring that deep contentment, and you think about I reckon

524
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: in for those of us who live in relative first

525
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: world comfort, most people really want, which you mentioned, is

526
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: just to be calm, the absence of anxiety. Everyone's fucking anxious, Like,

527
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: what do I really want? I just I don't want

528
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: to feel like this. How do you want to feel

529
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: like the opposite of anxious, the opposite of stress? Put

530
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: up your hand. If you're an overthinker, everyone has that

531
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: going shitouse, you know, And it's all of this, I

532
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: mean anxiety, stress, overthinking, self doubt, datata, all of that.

533
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: It's a manifestation of fear. And then you go, what

534
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: am I scared of? Let's let's dive rather than run away.

535
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's run into it and let's see what's there. Because

536
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: you can't deal with the thing that you won't acknowledge.

537
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: You know. Am I lazy?

538
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: Yep?

539
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes? Am I driven by ego?

540
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: Yep?

541
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: Do I have to bite my tongue because I want

542
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: to impress people? Yep? All of these things. And that

543
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: is not self loathing. That is just honesty and reflection

544
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: and self awareness.

545
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's self awareness part.

546
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: I think that's something that you learn a lot more

547
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: about the more you spend time on it. Right, And

548
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: even when you were just talking about that imposter syndrome,

549
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: and I think every single person in the world would

550
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: have that at some stage. And it's about knowing and

551
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 4: understanding that you're having those thoughts and that's okay, and

552
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: you just not that you're letting it pass by, but

553
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: you're kind of thinking, what is it in the moment

554
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: that's making me feel like this? And what can I

555
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: do to get myself out of it? Or what can

556
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: I do to kind of pass through this and be

557
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: okay that that just happens?

558
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: Do you agree with that?

559
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: But that having that self awareness and not trying to

560
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: fight those feelings but letting them just be there and

561
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: knowing that it's not going to take over me in

562
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 4: this moment, or you hope it doesn't, and even if

563
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: it does, you figure out a way to work through it. Yeah,

564
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: because it is your PhD in self awareness.

565
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially.

566
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what I think is that's what Yeah, that's

567
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: a part of huge part of neuropsychology.

568
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: I can dive into it, but we don't want to

569
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: boll people. But I think really what is really really

570
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: valuable and just not taught and told much is just

571
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: to be okay with being wrong. You noticed at the

572
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: moment everyone wants to be right, and it's like one

573
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: of the problems with thinking that you are right, Like

574
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: if you think I don't want to pick a topic

575
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: because people instantly get polarized. But just any subject, any topic,

576
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: any idea, any construct, any philosophy. When I think that

577
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I am unequivocally right, then I also think that everyone

578
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: in the world who disagrees with me is unequivocally wrong.

579
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: That's a fucking dangerous mindset. So and I, you know,

580
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: I grew up in a very religious theological paradigm, thinking

581
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: and behaving and living and socializing in accordance with that.

582
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: And you think about, like, everyone listening to this right now,

583
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Let's say ten thousand people

584
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: are listening to this. Ten thousand people are listening to

585
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: the same three people in the same conversation, but no

586
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: one's having the same experience as a listener, Like we

587
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: are always creating our own experiences without intending to. And

588
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: so and we grow up, you know, we grow up

589
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: in an echo chamber of thought and behavior and values

590
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: and culture, and you become a product that. So by

591
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: the time you're pushed out of the nestadata in or whatever,

592
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: you see the world a certain way, and most of

593
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: that worldview you did not choose. It's merely a byproduct

594
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: of where you've been and what you've been in you know,

595
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: And so this is a self awareness question.

596
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: And what you talk about harks back to what we

597
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: chatted about in the prologue about Chris Martin and Coldplay

598
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: and the oneness. Yes, that humans inherently enjoy. The duellism

599
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: and the duelism plays into the rightousness and the righteousness.

600
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: It's like, I need to be on this side of

601
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: the I need to barrack for this, yeah. And I

602
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: need to be right in barracking for this, yes, Because

603
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: the idea of the one this actually means that you

604
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: have to remove judgment, increase open mindedness. You have to

605
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: relinquish fear, relinquish prejudice, relinquish projections. You have to relinquish

606
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: so much to get rid of your rightness and righteousness

607
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: that that's too heavy a burden, too deep a place

608
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: for a lot of people to go to. But really,

609
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: that dualism, that righteousness is a fear manifest It's not

610
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: it's the inability to park your stuff because you're too

611
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: scared of what it could be if you don't happens.

612
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm too scared of being wrong because what is the

613
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 2: pathway of that? And so really that dualism is the

614
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: opposite of love because it's driven by fear, and fear

615
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: is the opposite of love really.

616
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: And also, you think about whatever we believe, generally, our

617
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: identity is intertwined with that belief. So if you question

618
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: my belief, you're questioning me exactly. And if my belief's wrong,

619
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: then who the fuck am I?

620
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: Exactly? So my belief is right, but you're not your belief. Yeah,

621
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: so you're not.

622
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: And and so you need so you need to really

623
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: dive into is that conditioning? Is that you know, I've

624
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: had lots of sort of disagreements with some mates at

625
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: the moment around what's happening in the Middle East because

626
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: they sit on one side of the equation, and then there's

627
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of mates more in the arts who are

628
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: on a totally different side of the situation. This is

629
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: a really challenging topic at the moment. But once again,

630
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: spoken on this on an earlier episode, I'm trying.

631
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: To find.

632
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: And move away from, you know, the fact that I'm

633
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: Jewish and I have to side with something because I

634
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: don't I see, I'm like trying to find this middle

635
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: middle space where and I go where is where is

636
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: where is love?

637
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: Where is peace? Where is calm in this?

638
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: And and I've said that it's a sad thing, that

639
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: very sad thing, that that concept is seemingly you topian

640
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: in this day and age, that oneness is utopian, But

641
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: it's it's really about going, hey, I see it from

642
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: your perspective, and I see it from your perspective. I'm

643
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: not putting my head in the sand, but I'm taking

644
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: the middle ground between between the two rather than going

645
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: it has to be.

646
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: This and you always have to have an opinion.

647
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can just listen.

648
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 5: Yes, it doesn't mean you're being naive or you're ignoring

649
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 5: what's going on.

650
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people feel like they've got

651
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 4: to have an opinion, and unfortunately it's like the loudest

652
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: opinion and everyone needs to know shout it out to everybody.

653
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: And that's how people feel like they're getting, you know,

654
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: their thoughts across and they're also being part of a

655
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: conversation because of that. And I think there's so much

656
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: power in sitting back and listening and not feeling like

657
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: you have to add to it. But you can just

658
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: sit back and take it all in and that's okay too.

659
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: I just yeah, I don't know. I find that with

660
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, just the people I'm around,

661
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: whether in work or just life, that everyone loves to

662
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 4: have their opinion.

663
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: Here we are having all sorts.

664
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Isn't it cool though, to go I don't know, I

665
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, and I can make some

666
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: up I don't know.

667
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think a lot of people do

668
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: get smells down this rabbit hole of making stuff up.

669
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Once a week, I reckon what do you think? I

670
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Why I get asked is what do you

671
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: think happens when we die? O? I don't know. I

672
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: could tell you what my upbringing told me. I could

673
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: tell you with what a whole lot of you know,

674
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: other religions think. But what I don't know, I don't know.

675
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: With the work you're doing and the work we're all

676
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: talking about doing, which is to just being more aware.

677
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: In that awareness, I think what we find is the

678
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: ability to go ah, that thought that I'm having, or

679
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: that righteousness around that topic that is a part of

680
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: my conditioned belief system. That's an indoctrination that's been put

681
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: upon me. It doesn't have to be to be right,

682
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: it's just what I've been fed and that now lives

683
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: in my subconscious as right, maybe that's not the only

684
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: way things need to be.

685
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think for me, I reckon I learned

686
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: so much from playing in a team sport because of

687
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 4: the fact, and then that's what since retiring, That's what

688
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: I really noticed out in the big bad real world,

689
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: is that in a team and especially when you're spending

690
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: a lot of time together training together, you know you're

691
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: working your asses off to try and win, and along

692
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: with that comes a lot of conversations and you're getting

693
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: feedback constantly, whether it be feedback about your performance from

694
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: your coaches and what you need to work on. But

695
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: in a team environment, especially with the Aussie team, your

696
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: delve so deep into each other's like who we are

697
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: as people and what we need from each other in

698
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 4: those moments when under the most stress, and so you

699
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: are getting this feedback from everyone about yourself and it's

700
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: the most frightening thing in the moment to actually listen

701
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: to your teammates give you this feedback. But they will

702
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: sit you down and it'll be like, when I'm feeling this,

703
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: what do I need from you? So if you're struggling

704
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: with how you shooting in that moment? What do you

705
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 4: need from your teammates? What can we say to you

706
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: to help you when you're feeling like that? I love

707
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: this and it's it is confronting. It takes a lot

708
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: of work to get to that point of these conversations

709
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: and big like that. But I think that's helped me

710
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: so much, be so aware of me, my body language

711
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 4: and what that tells people when I'm acting a certain

712
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: way and when I'm frustrated or I might not have

713
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: been playing that well, you know what I needed from

714
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: my teammates and being able to ask for the help

715
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 4: in that moment. What can you do for me to

716
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: help me in that moment, because it's only going to

717
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: be for the better of the team. And if someone

718
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: might be struggling with their mental health, what do you

719
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: need from your teammates when you you know can't you

720
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: can't possibly train today because you're not in the right

721
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: space to do it.

722
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 5: What can we do to support you?

723
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, this is so beautiful to hear that that

724
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: that that you're actually delving into. What would the feeling

725
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: of the other individual not just are they missed another shot?

726
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: They got the yips there's going, why what are they experiencing?

727
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: What can I give them? You know, back to what

728
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: you were talking about pulling on that thread. Half's about going.

729
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: It's not about me. It's about how I can help

730
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: another and what I can give like this, that's beautiful

731
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: that that does that happen. And this is another interesting question.

732
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: Do you think that happens more in women's sport than

733
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: it does in men's sport?

734
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: Is there?

735
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Well? I think because women naturally lean into the emotional

736
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: parts of things and men struggle with that more.

737
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 4: Just But I also think women it takes a while

738
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 4: to really not take it personally as well. Whereas men

739
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: can quite easily give each other feedback this is very

740
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: general generalization, can give each other feedback and just move

741
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: on and accept it, whereas I feel like women can

742
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: often sit in that space of like, I can't believe

743
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: she said that about me, or I can't believe she

744
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: thinks I'm struggling in that way.

745
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: But it does.

746
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: It comes down to trust, right, You have to really

747
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: have that layer of trust before you can then move

748
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: into that next part. And you said you spoke to

749
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: ben Crow, and I mean Crow is such a big

750
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: one for that being able to have a space where

751
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: you can talk about it, be vulnerable and also accept help.

752
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 4: And I think most of the time it's coming from

753
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: a place where you have to come with a solution

754
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: to You can't just say I'm sitting here in this

755
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: I'm not playing well, don't talk to me like you

756
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: have to actually help them help you. And I think

757
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: that's where it comes for having a bit more thought

758
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: process around it too.

759
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: So when I'm in this space.

760
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: And I'm feeling like this, this is what I need

761
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: from you, so that when people are doing that to

762
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: you and delivering you what you've said you've needed, then

763
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: it's up to you to show up to that too.

764
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: You can't just then be dismissive of that you've told them,

765
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: You've given them permission to do that and to talk

766
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: to you in that way. That you have to also

767
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 4: then show up for yourself and get yourself out of

768
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: that frame of mind that you might be in.

769
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: And this is beautiful to around it back to the

770
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: topic success. This is a beautiful way to to create

771
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: team success that it does ask for vulnerability, it does

772
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: ask for meeting people's needs, but ultimately, like trust, like

773
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: if you don't have the trust within the framework of

774
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: a team.

775
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: You can't be vulnerable. You know you can't. You won't

776
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 3: feel safe to be vulnerable.

777
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: So and getting out of your own skin really and

778
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: you know that empathetic part of where you go and

779
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: sit where someone else is at right and be there

780
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: with them in that moment and then try and work

781
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: through how you're going to get better, because you're only

782
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: going to be as good as you know, probably the

783
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 4: weakest person on that team or the least inexperienced person

784
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: on that team. You're only as good as what they

785
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: can be in that moment, and so you've got to

786
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 4: do everything you can to all try and be at

787
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: a similar level and work together to try and problem solve.

788
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: I would have been hopeless an individual sport. There is

789
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: no chance I would have been successful in sport on

790
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: my own. I really embrace the fact I had team

791
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 4: mates around me, and I love that got the best

792
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 4: out of me being able to help other people out there.

793
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: So if I was, you know, a tennis player like

794
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: I listened to Jolena Dokitch and Todd Woodbridge on your

795
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: potty and I loved listening to them, and I just

796
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: think they're mentally next level the way that they can

797
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: do it and get themselves out of tough spots on

798
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: their own in a place where they don't have anyone

799
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: around them, and it comes down to them. I think

800
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 4: there are a totally different breed of athlete to what

801
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: a team sport athlete is.

802
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: What were the sort of routines or rituals or things

803
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: that you put in place for yourself or that the

804
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: team put in place to feel like you were moving

805
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: closer towards the success that you were you were after,

806
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: and you might Craig want to talk about some of

807
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: those key characteristics of things.

808
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: That's the crazy.

809
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 4: Especially in the early start, Craig would work on a

810
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: lot of that with us too. It started as a

811
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: street and conditioning side of things, and then you move

812
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: more into the space of actually working with us from

813
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 4: a leadership perspective, and you know, setting ourselves our values

814
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: and behaviors and what we were going to stand for

815
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: and what the behaviors that we would set, what we

816
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: would have to hold each other accountable to. That probably

817
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: became the more powerful piece what we were going to

818
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: accept of each other.

819
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: But did you do things like a morning before a

820
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: game or not for a game.

821
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: I need to have a speaheta blinads morning for a game.

822
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: I need to mourning for a like, or I always

823
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, meditate, or or I always do this movement

824
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: activity or like. Do you have these sort of practices

825
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: that you put in place.

826
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would, definitely, And I was very much. I

827
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 4: had to be really prepared beforehand, so I would watch

828
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 4: if I was watching any video or anything about the

829
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: team I was about to play, I had to do

830
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: all of that the night before because prep tick that

831
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: off the night before.

832
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: I wouldn't you.

833
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: I would always generally have like salmon and rice the

834
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: night before a game. But I wasn't stuck.

835
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 5: On the fact.

836
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: And I think Crago got me out of this being

837
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: stuck on the fact that I had to do that,

838
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: because if you didn't.

839
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: Do it, what were you going to do? We're going

840
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 5: to just crumble and heat.

841
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: The next day salmon shortage. Where am I going to

842
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: get my bigga three fatty assets before?

843
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 4: So I think like we used to think it was,

844
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: you know, you're quite strict about it all. And then

845
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 4: I relaxed later in my career, I was so much

846
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: more relaxed about it. But what I enjoyed doing was

847
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: getting to a game and being able to muck around

848
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: and have fun in the change rooms with everybody and

849
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: enjoy because the joy and not focusing too much on

850
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: it allowed me to then go out there on court

851
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: and play my best. If I was too caught up

852
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: in it and too focused and too analytical, then I

853
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: would get in my own head and the old overthinking

854
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: would get in my way. So I really needed to

855
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: just make sure that I arrived and I could have

856
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: a bit of fun beforehand.

857
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'll get you to speak to this soon, Craig.

858
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: But preparation you've mentioned, and play you've mentioned. When I

859
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: sort of work with people in this space and in

860
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: my self, something that I've sort of formulated is what

861
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: I call it, like five five p's to controlling what

862
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: I can control to be the most successful I can

863
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: be in it.

864
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: In a moment, can I.

865
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Tell you that you two think way too fucking much?

866
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: You both overthink it?

867
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: No, both c D.

868
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: Probably a five p's preparation. Preparation is the is the

869
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: first one you go. I've got to, you know, like

870
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: if I don't really know my ship, I can't I

871
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: can't trust it. Presence, you know, So what do I

872
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: do to stay present? And sometimes when you get in

873
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: your head or whatever, like just a sensory thing like

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00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: just go, you know the feeling of my feet on

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Speaker 2: the ground, or you know what I what I can see,

876
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: what I can hear, what I can smell?

877
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: And purpose? What's what's my intention? That's what? What's my why?

878
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: Why why am I here? Passion? You know? To go?

879
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: You know what?

880
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: I do that feeling? Yeah, lean into the feeling that

881
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: I want to feel. The last one is play and

882
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: I think you know plays once again, Crowie talked a

883
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: lot about play on our episode, but that idea of

884
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: just bringing that in a child into it, like well,

885
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: that's the joy, that's the fun, that's like why, that's

886
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: the curiosity, that's the adventure.

887
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Speaker 3: Like what would I Why would.

888
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: I be doing this if there wasn't an element of

889
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: play in it? And then what happens happens? You know,

890
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: I've done the part that I can do. And this

891
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: is I definitely do this before auditions or before major performances.

892
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: I really sit into this because I know I can't

893
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: control what those you know, five six, twelve people on

894
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: the panel think I have no say in what they think.

895
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: But my power is in those five things, and if

896
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: I screw up any of them, I just throw in

897
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: the sixth one, which is persistence. Just go, you know

898
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: what this tomorrow like and sack sort of Kobe Bryant

899
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: Bryant thing, which is like, whether you win or you lose,

900
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: you just got to rock up the next day and

901
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: go again.

902
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: And you go, get that's the persistence thing.

903
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: So that might be a for thinking it, but I

904
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: actually think, do you know what that helped? That has

905
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: really helped me to just create a framework for success

906
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: in a way that I go, I feel like I

907
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: have some control, and we spend a lot of time

908
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: trying to control the things we can't control. I'm trying

909
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: to control what that panel think of me. I kind

910
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: of control what the two thousand people think of me.

911
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: I have no say in it.

912
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: And I think it's understanding that different things work for

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Speaker 1: different people. And so like there's a fine line sometimes

914
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: between superstition and protocol, you know, because a lot of

915
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: athletes are superstitious and you go, yeah, I've got it.

916
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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing. All that does really for them

917
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Speaker 1: is reduce anxiety because they feel better there's no scientific

918
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: validity to a lot of it. Well there was. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the completion of part one of this chat

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Speaker 1: Bianca and Josh and myself. Hope you enjoyed it. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow.