1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Hey chicks, I'm Sal and I'm al and this is 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: two broat chicks to show that shares life lessons and 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: tips to help make you rich in life. Today, we're 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 2: joined by our friends and big small talk hosts Hannah 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: Ferguson and Sarah Adams. From periods and hacking your metroation 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: cycle to the gender health gap, We're chatting the things 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: that no one teaches you as a woman that we 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: wish we knew sooner. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: Welcome to two broad chicks, Hannah and Sarah. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 4: Hi, thanks for having us. 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 3: We are so excited. We were just saying off Mike, 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: it's well overdue. 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 5: I know, this feels fun. 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, we all have seen in yapped, like the four 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 6: of us together, so I feel like it's already happened. 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: But I'm like, wait, it has not. 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: Not all for it once. 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: Yes, So we're going to be talking a whole bunch 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: of different things. All the thing is that as women 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: and as people, we wish that we had learned earlier 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: in life. And there's sort of these realizations that you 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: have in adulthood that you're like maybe this is the 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: sort of stuff that I wish I learned at UNI, 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: or even like maybe that my parents had taught me, 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: and that we feel like we wish that we were 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: more equipped in. 29 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: And one of our first topics is going to be 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: around periods. 31 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: But before we get into the period chat, we usually 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: start with a life lesson of the week, but we 33 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: wanted to mix it up on theme for this episode 34 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: because honestly, I think that the best part of getting 35 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: your period is when you open up the pad and 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: you get to sit down and read the little trivia 37 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: and Libra odd spots on the back of the package. 38 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: This is one of my favorite things to do. 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 7: I was actually very excited to read by this morning, 40 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 7: and it dictated to me which one I would read 41 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 7: out today, which one I'm wearing. 42 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: Basically, I love that. 43 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: I literally remember the first time that I got my period. 44 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: I like didn't tell my mom for maybe a good 45 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: twenty four hours because I was like, maybe if I ignore it, 46 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: it'll just go away and I won't have to tell 47 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: her about it. And I was so embarrassed. And then 48 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: when I eventually did, she was like okay. She explained 49 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: to me how pads were handed me the pad and 50 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: I opened it and saw this trivia and I was like, 51 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: maybe this won't be all bad. Actually for a little 52 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: fun factor recess. 53 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: Okay, this is actually. 54 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 7: Really fun because I was the last girl I knew 55 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 7: to get her period, and I desperately wanted it because 56 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 7: I felt like something was wrong with me because everyone 57 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 7: at school had theirs except me. 58 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 4: I was late. 59 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 7: I was like fourteen. Everyone already had their, and I 60 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 7: was desperate, waiting when will I wake up and they'll 61 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 7: be blooded. 62 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: Everyone's like, you're so lucky, and I was like phil 63 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 4: left out. 64 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: You're like I wonder to please exactly. 65 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 7: So the day that I got it in year eight 66 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 7: in art class, I remember it so vividly and I 67 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 7: was like everyone I went school too, boys get around 68 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 7: like I was so excited to get my firstly brother. 69 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: Let's get into our odd spots, shall we. 70 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 6: My favorite one is that some turtles can breathe through 71 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 6: their butt, where. 72 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: I've never wanted to be a turtle more only some, 73 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: only some, not all. 74 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: What's yours, Sarah? 75 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 5: Okay, this one really stuck out to me. 76 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 8: There is a hallow Kitty themed maternity hospital in Taiwan 77 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 8: that's really awesome. 78 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 5: And my first thought was who and why and would 79 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 5: that make you feel more comfortable some people? 80 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 6: But can we also have a moment that Imagine you 81 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 6: go into labor and the closest hospital is the Hello 82 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 6: Kitty one and it's not planned. Mascot is out in 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 6: the front, like doing the hand wave because they can't 84 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 6: speak when you're in a mascot costume. 85 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: When you're like, what's going on? 86 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 8: So many stories and also who pioneered that we needed that? 87 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: I have so many questions. 88 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: If I ever have kids, I will, I will have 89 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: one there. 90 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, for Sien on the. 91 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: Record, huge. 92 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 7: That the first newspaper was printed on silk that feels 93 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 7: aligned to. 94 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: My personality is a fact. I like it. It just 95 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: stuck out to me. Yeah, Bougie agreed. 96 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well, my favorite odd spot was on average, a 97 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: human will spend up to two weeks kissing in their. 98 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: Lifetime, so I thought it'd be more that's on average though. 99 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 6: Okay, Well, that life lesson is that we all need 100 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 6: to be out here kissing more, not enough. That. 101 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: I also recon it's declining. I don't see enough club book. 102 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: The art of the making has been lost. 103 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 6: I agree, Yeah, I agree, and you know what, it's 104 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 6: TikTok's fault because people film everyone agreed, well, anyone. 105 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 5: Did that as well. 106 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 6: It just would go on your Facebook, on your birth 107 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 6: or on like some Facebook album from the party, and 108 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 6: you'd be. 109 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, let's get into our topic, shall we the 110 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: things that we wish that we learned earlier in life? 111 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: And I want to talk cycle sinking, which is something 112 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: that we're touched on briefly. 113 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: But do both of you subscribe to cycle sinking? Do 114 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: you know what it is? 115 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: Can you explain it for everyone? 116 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 7: So I make sure that when I answer, even because 117 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 7: now I feel like I've really done a lot of 118 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 7: reading and research around menstrual cycles in the last year 119 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 7: to try and understand mine better. But even when the 120 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 7: topic comes up, I'm like, please clarify so because. 121 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: I also know, is cycle tracking different? Because is that 122 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 5: like contraceptive? 123 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think the thing that we were taught 124 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 6: was that your cycle. 125 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: Is one week. 126 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 6: Right in Pe'd be like, yep, there's seven days give 127 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 6: or take that you bleed and. 128 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: That's it and then you're back and you're done and 129 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: it's fine and it's gorgeous. And in my high school experience. 130 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 6: I was not taught that your cycle is the entire month, 131 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 6: and there's actually the four stages which I was going 132 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 6: to go into. But cycle tracking and cycle sinking is different, 133 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 6: and it's about how to like optimize your habits and 134 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 6: your routine with where you're at in your cycle, and 135 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 6: the way you do that is through tracking it then 136 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 6: sinking it. 137 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 7: Okay, so I track, but I don't see yeah tracking 138 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 7: it even learning what that was. 139 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 5: I remember when I found out. 140 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: I was like, when did you find that out? 141 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 8: Maybe like a year and a half ago properly, and 142 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 8: I remember being like, this is so fucked up that 143 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 8: we're not taught this in school. Like it really is 144 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 8: the one thing that really bored my blood because what 145 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 8: it annoys me with it is everyone talks about it 146 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 8: as if it's almost like they're talking about a horoscope 147 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 8: or like stuff. 148 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: It's like do you believe in it? 149 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 8: Like do you believe in the luteal phase? And it's 150 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 8: like it is an actual thing. It's not like woo 151 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 8: woo opt in. It's it's not a blood, but it's 152 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 8: kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like spoken about as. 153 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 5: If like is if it's like maybe a thing, and 154 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 5: it is a thing. 155 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: Why have we not taught it? 156 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 6: Yeah? 157 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: That's good about it? 158 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 6: Is it kind of took away like the gas lighting 159 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 6: of women's moods and how it we fluctuate so much 160 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 6: in what we can take on emotionally and mentally and 161 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 6: physically throughout an entire month. 162 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 8: Also, mood is a big part of it. Yeah, like 163 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 8: it's it's actually on my period. I feel great, Like 164 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 8: it's not, but you do. I didn't grow up thinking 165 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 8: that it's the week before that. I'm like probably a 166 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 8: little bit more. It's not even sensus. It's not that, 167 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 8: it's just like more aware of my emotions and then hungrier, 168 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 8: like you know that things like you're on your period 169 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 8: and you're just gonna chocolate and ice cream. I actually 170 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 8: don't feel that on my period at all. It'll be 171 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 8: at a different point and now it actually lines up 172 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 8: every month. 173 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 174 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: I think that's why it's so important though, because the 175 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: symptoms are so varied and they can look really different 176 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: to different people as well. And it's interesting that you say, like, 177 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: I wish I knew this sooner, because Labra released a 178 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: study that found that six in ten people wish that 179 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: they learned more about their cycles earlier in their lives. 180 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 7: I think what's hard about the conversation, though, is because 181 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 7: so many people men are saying, oh, well, why women 182 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 7: can't be in X, Y and Z positions because of 183 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 7: the hormonal disruption to cycles. And the argument back that 184 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 7: I always say is like, let's validate the fact that 185 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 7: we have a different emotional experience at different parts of 186 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 7: the month or what. 187 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: However long your cycle is, are the be twenty eight days, 188 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: thirty five days, whatever it is, and it's not. 189 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 8: Actually Also, I feel like we're talking about this it 190 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 8: feels like there's drastic differences between the weeks. Lots of 191 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 8: people don't feel drastic difference, but it's just good to know. 192 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, should I give us a crash course? 193 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 7: Yeah? 194 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: What the phases are? 195 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: So if anybody isn't familiar, So there are four phases 196 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: of your metroation cycle. We'll start with the menstrual phase, 197 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: which is the bleeding phase, the period, and that's the start. 198 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 7: And that's the start, which it's always positioned as being 199 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 7: the end, and actually the first like five seven days 200 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 7: however long you bleed for which I didn't know at school. 201 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: Neither yeah me, neither as well. I thought that that 202 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: was at the end, which is just wild. So this 203 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: is when your hormones are at their lowest, and it's 204 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: when your body is shedding its uterunlining. So that's why 205 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: we're feeling extra tired. Hormones are low, feeling lethargic. Then 206 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: we move into the follicular phase, which is the post 207 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: period to ovulation. That's roughly days six to fourteen, depending 208 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: on how long your period lasts. This is when estrogen 209 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: starts to rise, energy starts to increase, and your brain 210 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: is more open to new ideas. Apparently, Apparently, this is 211 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: when you start to become more creative. 212 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 6: This is when I walk into our office and I 213 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 6: go south. We're going to start three new businesses. We're 214 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 6: actually going to do a newsletter and a website, and 215 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 6: I actually want to start this new podcast because I 216 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 6: have this idea and sounds. 217 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: Like who hell where? 218 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 219 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: And then we've got ovulation, which is peak energy. This 220 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: is when our estrogen is that its peak ovulation occurs, 221 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: and it's also when you're you're most extroverted and confident. 222 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: My favorite thing that I see online is that ovulation 223 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,359 Speaker 2: is when people feel their hottest and horniest. 224 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, do we agree? 225 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. 226 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: And then again we're moving into our luteel phase, which 227 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: is the pre menstrual phase, which is day's eighteen twenty eight, 228 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: and that's when our energy begins to slow and also 229 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: that's when your PMS symptoms most likely to start kicking 230 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: in which you said out, I think a lot of 231 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: the time when we were younger, you think that you 232 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: get PMS when you have your period, or like the 233 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: day before you get your period, not like ten days 234 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: before you get your period. Yeah, And I think that's 235 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: from the shitty stereotype that's been fueled predominantly by men 236 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: of if a woman displays any form of emotion frustration, sadness, 237 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: anything negative emotion in quotation marks. 238 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 6: It's all in the heavy period. And like that's why 239 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 6: that's been so put within that basket. But what I 240 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 6: think about the cycle tracking is that while it's really 241 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 6: amazing for you to know your own cycle, it's also 242 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 6: really amazing to share that with others. 243 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: And like, I know you. 244 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 6: Did this as well with a partner and sharing like 245 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 6: what phase you're out, and you can do that with 246 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 6: certain apps and how like I also saw videos of 247 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 6: a girl who lives in a sharehouse with men and 248 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 6: on like the fridge on a whiteboard, she would write 249 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 6: down what phase she was in and they like would 250 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 6: understand that. So she would be like, liud to your 251 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 6: pace and they'd be like wide both. 252 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be like wide. 253 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 6: Birth and like I will also do that with my 254 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 6: partner being like, it's not it today. And I think 255 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 6: sharing that and also other people understanding that, especially those 256 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 6: humans who don't have menstruation cycles, only can empower us 257 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 6: all to kind of track our cycles and be a 258 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 6: little bit softer with it as well. 259 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 260 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: And also because like we were saying, the symptoms look 261 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: so different. So I think for me growing up, I 262 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: always thought that PMS looked like drastic mood swings between 263 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: sadness and anger, and that was kind of it. I 264 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: didn't realize that it can manifest in anxiety, sadness also 265 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: feeling lethargic, and for so many years I didn't actually 266 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: track that. In that week before I get my period, 267 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: I get incredibly anxious and it wasn't until I and 268 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: what cycle sinking was. I was like, wait a second, 269 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: and it was like that guy with the red string, 270 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: like putting it all together, and I was like, oh 271 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: my god, like this is actually something that I've been 272 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: dealing with since I was twelve, but I had. 273 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 3: No idea that that was it. 274 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't get PMS because I don't 275 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: get like anger mood swings, but that's not what it is. 276 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 277 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, especially I think bringing it back to wanting to 278 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 8: know this back at school, how useful would that have 279 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 8: been back when you're also going through like puberty, and 280 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 8: like a lot of it that just gets blamed on 281 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 8: that rather than understanding you're also going through cycles. 282 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 7: Oh and also like for me understanding now that a 283 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 7: lot of what I desire when I'm pre period is 284 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 7: really just I have a sense of introversion that's heightened 285 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 7: and heightened self awareness. So it's like, yes, it's a 286 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 7: bit of anxiety. It's never really anger. It's always just 287 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 7: this desire to have more alone time, to be more thoughtful, 288 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 7: and to try and be able to kind of quiet 289 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 7: that internal critic It's really. 290 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: Those sorts of facts. 291 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 7: It's not like rageful, it's not spiteful, it's not bitter 292 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 7: like I think a lot. 293 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: Of compulsions exactly. 294 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just this understanding that, like, I probably just 295 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 7: need to be by myself a little bit more. 296 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, in that same study by Labor, they 297 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: found that seventy four percent of people who mentruate no 298 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: little to nothing about PMS. 299 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Wow, how wild is that? 300 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: Like that is the majority of people, And it's something 301 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: that we experience, generally speaking, every single month, and three 302 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 2: quarters of us don't know really anything about. 303 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 8: It because we're not taught anything. Also, on that note, 304 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 8: like pcos and demetrios is like so many other things 305 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 8: in that realm, I don't think they're ever taught to me. 306 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 7: And when and when your blanket taught that you will 307 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 7: experience pain, cramping, intense bleeding, and the variations of those 308 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 7: symptoms will be wide. You don't know at what point 309 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 7: you can question the pain your experience and what is 310 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 7: the sort of right threshold to then advocate for. 311 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: Yourself with a medical professional. 312 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 7: So I think a lot of it it's not I 313 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 7: don't think it's purposeful gas lighting. I think it's a 314 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 7: lack of information and research that's been done generally, and 315 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 7: then PE teachers are often not equipped with this information. 316 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 4: My male pe teachers were so nervous to bring any 317 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 4: of this up so. 318 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 7: And I can't understand that fear because if I don't understand, 319 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 7: how like of course they don't understand even though they 320 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 7: actually are trained to provide this education. 321 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 4: And then when you go and you're twenty five. 322 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 7: This is why a lot of people do not get 323 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 7: diagnosed with whether it be PMDD and demetriosis pcos these 324 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 7: conditions still much later in life because they've actually had 325 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 7: to question and interrogate and probe multiple medical professions to 326 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 7: take their pain seriously. 327 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, you can blame medical professionals like your doctor for 328 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 8: not knowing or for like not taking you seriously, or 329 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 8: for your pea teacher not knowing, but like, the bigger 330 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 8: problem would be the fact that they didn't actually study 331 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 8: women's bodies at all. 332 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 4: It's only misogyny at a historical life. 333 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, and most things were tested on men and 334 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 8: not ever seeing side effects on like it's run so. 335 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: Deep, it's systemic. Yeah yeah yeah. 336 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: And you know what else is crazy. 337 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 6: I don't know what your high school experience was like, 338 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 6: but when girls got taught about periods, they got pulled 339 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 6: into a separate class. So girls got taught about periods 340 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 6: but boys didn't. Because why would they need to know, 341 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 6: which I think is just so inherently wrong, because then 342 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 6: it just causes this further separate separation of understanding. 343 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 7: I remember in year four having the boys and girls 344 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 7: split in class and there was a binder brought around 345 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 7: with clear sleeves and there was like different types of 346 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 7: pads and tampons placed in each sleeve, and it was like, oh, 347 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 7: just if you want to or not, and everyone passed 348 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 7: around like it was the dirtiest thing in the world, 349 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 7: and the boys didn't even have the conversation. 350 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: And then teachers would just. 351 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 7: Tell you horror stories instead of actually advising you. I 352 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 7: remember multiple primary school teachers saying, oh, this one time, 353 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 7: this girl had explosive period when over the floor, and 354 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 7: I was terrified for years because of stories like that, 355 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 7: where it's like, instead of just advising us on actually 356 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 7: what it's going to be, like any horror story or 357 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 7: major anecdote that could be shared, was it was like, 358 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 7: these are ten year olds, Yeah you know, there's no 359 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 7: reason to think this is a horror film. 360 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and it's like, no, wonder then we still 361 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: feel so much shame. One percent of people felt their 362 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: concerns around their period weren't taken seriously, and only two 363 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: in five people who menstrate actually feel comfortable enough to bring. 364 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: It up with their healthcare professional. 365 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: And I know I've had that experience before where I've 366 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: spoken about my period pain to my GP and they 367 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: sort of just like brushed it off. 368 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 7: I think so often in so many stories I hear 369 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 7: from lots of women who've experienced medical misogyny like that, 370 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 7: and oftentimes from female GPS. What it really comes down 371 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 7: to so often is the bedside manner and the lack 372 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 7: of socialization of a lot of gps who don't understand 373 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 7: the kind of anxiety they're inducing, the medical anxiety, health anxiety, 374 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 7: because when you don't understand the language and terminology of 375 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 7: the medical industry, of the medical profession, you're going to 376 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 7: be fearful by any mention of large language. And instead 377 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 7: of trying to facilitate like a comfortable, empathetic experience, they 378 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 7: are often in stressful positions where they're doing fifteen minute 379 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 7: appointments back to back and they don't have that long 380 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 7: term relationship with the patient. So I can also be 381 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 7: empathetic to the situation they're in while also saying like 382 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 7: you don't understand the fear of just instilled in a 383 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 7: young woman. 384 00:16:59,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 385 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: What I thought was interesting is that we brought up 386 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: cycle sinking right, and you both mentioned that you do 387 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: track your periods, right. Do you track them like using 388 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: any tools or anything, or do you use. 389 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: Snap called stardust? 390 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 5: Ironically for me being like, it's not a horror. 391 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 4: That makes it hor That. 392 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 7: Is fine fun, but also it's better with data privacy, 393 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 7: which is a major concern globally right now. And it's 394 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 7: built by women, so I think there's a significant difference. 395 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: Do you guys, feel like you've had any aha moments 396 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 2: ever since you started tracking a period? 397 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 7: I actually down to the cravings that I have each day, 398 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 7: track them and they are absolutely there every day, Like 399 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 7: so certain days it's salty, certain days it's sweet. It 400 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 7: can sometimes be a particular form of exercise, or there's 401 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 7: even a button on the app that I use that's 402 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 7: like impulsive haircut. All it does is inform me that 403 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 7: I probably shouldn't be shaming myself for feeling hunger for 404 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 7: particular things because it is just a pattern for me, 405 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 7: and understanding my body makes me feel so much more calm. 406 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: Yes, but again less shame. I really like that. 407 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 8: With like the food thing, I've now noticed weeks that 408 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 8: I'm okay with just like eating more than I normally 409 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 8: would because I'm like, yeah, I'm hungry. I'm hungrier this 410 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 8: week than I will probably be in other weeks, and 411 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 8: like normalizing that a bit. 412 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 5: Where I was before that used to really freak. 413 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: Me out for understood it. 414 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 5: And then the other part is bloating. 415 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 8: I'm also like a lot kinder to myself when I 416 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 8: know that I'm probably gonna bloat this week, or like 417 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 8: my face shape's gonna look a bit different or whatever 418 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 8: it is. 419 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: It's not like a it's not like even an image 420 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 5: thing that I'm worried about. It's like more of an 421 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 5: internal feeling when you just feel like a bit more 422 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 5: sluggish some weeks. Yeah, it's just nice to know. 423 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said before, I just think that 424 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: it's knowing these things and normalizing these things as well. 425 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: And I think even when it comes to social situations, 426 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 2: like if I look at my calendar and I say 427 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: that it's the week before my period and I've got 428 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: a lot of social things booked in, I'm like, Okay, 429 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: I know that I've probably bitten off more than I 430 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: can chew. 431 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: Let's see if we can like reschedule some of. 432 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: These things, and even being able to say that to 433 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: your friends, like I'm about to get my period, I'm 434 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: not in a good headspace. 435 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: I'm not going to be a lot of fun. 436 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: This is why I still want to hang out, but like, 437 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: can we maybe do it next week? 438 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 7: And it's better than canceling the morning of even though 439 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 7: it's totally fine as well, because you can see ahead 440 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 7: of time what's going to happen and reevaluate with the 441 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 7: person's schedule in mind. 442 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like I think that it honestly has given 443 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: a good basis for boundaries. 444 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 3: And I know that that. 445 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: Boundaries is a bit of a buzzword at the moment, 446 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: but I do think that it is important. And everybody's 447 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: experience with their cycle is so different and that's why 448 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: I love that. Like, as for adults in the room today, 449 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 2: we can have this conversation. Let's get into our cycle 450 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: sinking cheat sheet. So during the mentoral phase, which is 451 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: the bleeding phase days one to five or seven depending, 452 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: this is when your hormones are at their lower so 453 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: this is your time to rest and restore. So prioritize sleep, 454 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: light exercise at best yoga stretching. Also focus on eating 455 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: iron rich foods and also warming foods as well, like 456 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: soups and stees and stuff I feel like really helps 457 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: with the pain and the bloating for me personally. 458 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: And then for work, focus on. 459 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: Reflective tasks like journaling, low pressure planning, maybe looking at 460 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: the calendar for the rest of the month. Follicular phase 461 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: which is post period to ovulation days six to fourteen. 462 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: This is when your estrogen is rising and also your 463 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: energy is increasing, so this is the time to try 464 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: new projects, start that new business idea, send out those emails. 465 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: Maybe the time also to have some of those more 466 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: conflict based or controversial conversations because you actually have the 467 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: energy for it. This is the phase when you can 468 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: plan and initiate. They're moving on to ovulation. This is 469 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 2: our peak energy moment, so this is when you can 470 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: do like your hit training, your strength training. You've really 471 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: got the energy to like throw yourself into that hot 472 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: yoga workout that otherwise. 473 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: You'd be like, I'm not going in there. 474 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: And then this is also when you'd be scheduling in 475 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: your social events meetings, if you're going in. 476 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: For a promotion, I would pick this stake because this 477 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: is when. 478 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: Like you're feeling your hottest, most confident, best version of yourself. 479 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: And then last but not least, the low to heel face. 480 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: Let have a moment of silence, please, so focus on 481 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: detail work wrap up mode again, like, try not to 482 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: make huge decisions if you can during this time, because 483 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: this is when your energy is at its lowest, your 484 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: PMS symptoms are at their highest, and it's a good 485 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: time to reflect but maybe not make any big moves. 486 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: What's good with this is it's not a rule book. 487 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 6: It's not to say you're incapable of doing anything within 488 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 6: whatever phase. It is like, if you want to go 489 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 6: to a hit class when you've got your fucking period, 490 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 6: go to here, Like exactly you are, you have free will, 491 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 6: you are your main character. You can do all of 492 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 6: these things. But I think what I like about cycle 493 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 6: thinking is it gives you the grace to be able 494 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 6: to take a step back. 495 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 7: If you want to go on a long run on 496 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 7: the first day of your period and you feel tired 497 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 7: halfway through. 498 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 4: It's not that you can't do it. 499 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 7: It's just that the body is telling you something exactly 500 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 7: absolutely okay. 501 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 6: And that's the thing for me that I wish I 502 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 6: learned sooner, is that you don't have to do everything 503 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 6: and you can just listen to your body. 504 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: Should we move on to our next lesson or next 505 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: thing that we wish we learned, Sarah, do you want to? 506 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: Okay? 507 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 8: I wrote down a few, but the one I probably 508 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 8: feel the most passionate about is gut health. 509 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 5: Oh yes, and just nutrition in general. And they're like 510 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 5: the mind gut link. 511 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 8: I this has been a journey that I know a 512 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 8: lot of my friends and myself have gone on in 513 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 8: the last year or so of being like why do 514 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 8: I why do I feel sick to some foods? 515 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 5: Why does this happen? 516 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 8: Why why do I get like I used to get 517 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 8: the worst stomach eggs. And it's all to do with 518 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 8: nutrition and gut health and me having bad gut health 519 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 8: from being on antibiotics too much and stuff like that, 520 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 8: all the stuff I would never have thought of, and 521 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 8: similar if you go to the doctor, not particularly helpful, 522 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 8: and being on that journey of like learning what foods 523 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 8: are going to be good for my gut, what foods 524 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 8: aren't going to be eating or protein whatever it is 525 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 8: so helpful. And the other thing was learning that like 526 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 8: when I'm super stressed or I'm not managing my stress well, 527 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 8: I will have like inflamed gut symptoms and that there 528 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 8: is such a strong mind gut link and just researching 529 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 8: that and understanding that so much better has made me. 530 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 5: Feel way better. 531 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm getting into it now, yeah, and it's so good. 532 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 8: Really Like it's just been such a tangible difference. And 533 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 8: again it feels kind of like it's a trend or 534 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 8: it's woo were There are definitely elements of it going 535 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 8: to far or being like I think anything that sort 536 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 8: of gets as much traction does turn into a bit 537 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 8: of capitalism after a while, But the rocks of it 538 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 8: is still what's important. 539 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: And everything with women's health feel like it's witchy or 540 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 6: intuition or woo woo, do you know what I mean? 541 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I swear like that's like. 542 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 6: And don't get me wrong, I love a fucking witchy moment. 543 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 6: But I'm just like, where like intuition verse science, right. 544 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 7: Well, that's I think where wellness culture and vertic quotations 545 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 7: comes in. Where there's like a multi trillion dollar industry 546 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 7: been built on teaching us about self care, and there 547 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 7: is of course a certain level of what works fore 548 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 7: you works if you I'm not trying to shame anyone 549 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 7: out of this, but you know, there's a lot of 550 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 7: science coming out at the moment about women needing to 551 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 7: lift her heavy weights into and through metopause, and you know, 552 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 7: there's lots of there's heaps of amazing women. 553 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: There's doctor Sarah E. 554 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 7: Hill who's writing a lot of great stuff about contraceptives 555 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 7: at the moment. There's like not doctor Jen Gundo, who's 556 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 7: another amazing medical professional who talks about women's health, specifically 557 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 7: in reproductive areas. And these are the people to be 558 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 7: following because they speak specifically to reproductive health all for 559 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 7: the experience of menopause. 560 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 4: And while I'm online seeing like. 561 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 7: Oh, this candle is going to make you feel happy, 562 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 7: it's like, no, I need to actually understand gut health 563 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 7: and weightlifting and all of these strategies that I need 564 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 7: to implement. 565 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 5: And it is a sign of the times as well. 566 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 8: Like the other thing I thought when I looked, when 567 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 8: I started thinking about what we actually learned in Pe, 568 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 8: and it would be like eighty twenty rule and like 569 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 8: whatever it is, it was really it's kind of crazy 570 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 8: to look back and think about it. But the other 571 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 8: thing was like cabs were so villainized when. 572 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 5: We were growing up, and now we know that we 573 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 5: need that for our brains to function a lot of 574 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 5: the time. 575 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 8: And protein, Like I love a steak, but even a 576 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 8: few years ago, I would have been like that would 577 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 8: have felt quite blokey and masculine to be like, give 578 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 8: me a steak. 579 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 5: Yes, foods and that's really interesting as well easy. Yeah, 580 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 5: And just also when you said metopause, that is another one. 581 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 8: That I'm like, that is something every woman will go 582 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 8: through and yes, and yeah, we've never been taught, Like 583 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 8: my mom's going through it now, and like just even 584 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 8: talking to her about it, I'm like, how do we 585 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 8: just we just kind of wait till we get there 586 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 8: and go like, oh, what's happening? 587 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 7: And then then you get an influx of information. You're 588 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 7: almost overwhelmed by the discovery and you and everyone's having 589 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 7: the same conversation why didn't. 590 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: I know this earlier? 591 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 8: So much same with like every major stage, like if 592 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 8: you choose to have kids, and it's like, why don't 593 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 8: we learn about postpartum depression or anything like that? 594 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 5: It grinds my guess what did we learn in Pe? 595 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 7: I feel like for me because I went to a 596 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 7: Catholic school as well, and there was a level of 597 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 7: sex education, but it was probably at its bare bones, 598 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 7: like consent education, which was okay. And then there was 599 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 7: also a religious education that said, like, well, sex primaries 600 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 7: for reproduction and secondary is for like no, no, not 601 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 7: even that second aout, but second is for increasing the 602 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 7: love between a married couple, was the argument, right. But 603 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 7: when I remember in Pe is having the one sheet 604 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 7: one a for page that had every kind of contraceptive 605 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 7: and it was a mix and match where you had 606 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 7: to draw a line between the contraceptive and the definition. 607 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 7: Yeah that's all I remember. 608 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 609 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 7: I never remember hearing like, okay, well, if you were 610 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 7: to get an IUD, there's two sizes, and you go 611 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 7: like you should be offered sedation, you know, you shouldn't 612 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 7: have to like a local anesthetic or blah, like there 613 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 7: should be this on offer. This is how much it costs, 614 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 7: but like there was no information about like how long 615 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 7: it lasted, like I remember it just being a plain 616 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 7: definition of water was yes, but it's also so unclear 617 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 7: because I've tried three or four different contraceptors. Now, when 618 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 7: you go in and I pay a significant amount of 619 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 7: money to have this of us provided and to be 620 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 7: protected for three years to eight years, now. 621 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: Somewhere a lot of them. 622 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 7: I remember getting the implant on in when I was 623 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 7: about twenty two, and they said also for twenty percent 624 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 7: of people, they'd never bleed for the next three years. 625 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 4: For twenty percent of people they bleed lightly. 626 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 7: And for me, I ended up bleeding heavily for about 627 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 7: ninety days straight and they wouldn't even take it out 628 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 7: of my body after I requested and requested and requested. 629 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 7: So it's all these experiences where they go, Okay, don't 630 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 7: want this, throw other options, and yet this constant outlay 631 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 7: of side effects. And yet when they were studying male 632 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 7: contraceptor for male pill and they had a five percent 633 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 7: report back in symptoms of depression and mood swings, they 634 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 7: went back to the drawing board. And so I think 635 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 7: again everything were speaking about cons in this episode really 636 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,239 Speaker 7: comes back to the lack of research and investment into 637 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 7: women's health. 638 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and just ute finding root causes and problems. 639 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 8: Like when you were saying and you would have we 640 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 8: both struggled with our skin in the past, and it's 641 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 8: like when I went to the doctor again and I 642 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 8: was like, well, I would like to do the implant on. 643 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 8: I'd like to do something else because I'm really bad it, 644 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 8: remember to take the pill, etc. And they were like, well, 645 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 8: you're actne will probably come back then, And I was like, well, 646 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 8: what's the game plan for when I want to get 647 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 8: off this to have kids however? 648 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 5: And they were like, well, you'll just have sister acne. 649 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 7: And I think this is just and I can understand 650 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 7: again the health system in many ways and short appointments, 651 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 7: in these fifteen minutes sort of windows that we get 652 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 7: with a practitioner, they're just trying to kind of get 653 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 7: you to the next appointment in many ways, like the 654 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 7: system isn't actually designed to examine root causes, and it's 655 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 7: not the fault of an individual practitioner, but it is 656 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 7: a larger question to ask, like can you refer me 657 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 7: to see a dermatologist? Can you provide me with the 658 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 7: long term solution as opposed to the surface level fix. 659 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: There is a lot about this conversation that can be 660 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: really disheartening, and it really is easy to lose hope. 661 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: But I do think that the fact that we are 662 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: sitting here and we can have this conversation as for 663 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: adults and for women and talk about our very different 664 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: experiences so openly is hopefully a sign that we're taking 665 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: a step in the right direction and that there is 666 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: a lot of really helpful resources out there, and we 667 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: will link them in the show notes so that if 668 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: any of the points of conversation today did align with 669 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: you or you have further questions, we will put resources 670 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: in the show notes so that you do know where 671 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: to go for help or information for the next steps. 672 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: Because I think that it is it can be really sad, 673 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: you know, the state of the situation that we are in, 674 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: but also like I have hope that things. 675 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 5: Not to put like a toxic positive spin on this. 676 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 8: But I think it's fantastic that we're even having these 677 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 8: conversations now because and that we know to ask these questions, 678 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 8: because we're starting to research and starting pay attention to 679 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 8: this stuff. 680 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 4: So and also this is not to provide any sort 681 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 4: of medical advice. We cannot do that. 682 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 7: But the idea is that I think when groups of women, 683 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 7: I know, when I talk to my friends about this, 684 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 7: it's incredibly validating to hear about their experiences. You know 685 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 7: what kind of questions I could ask my doctrine, where 686 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 7: I could go next? 687 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly if someone else got help, And it's it's 688 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 8: just having these transparent conversations. 689 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: It's trying to get there a lot faster. 690 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for coming 691 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: on today's show. We very much appreciate it, and I 692 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: think a lot of the chicks are going to get 693 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: a lot of guidance. 694 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 3: And help and reassurance from this episode. So thank you 695 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: so much. 696 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: But where can the chicks learn more about you, both 697 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: individually and also together. 698 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 8: Well, we have a podcast God Big Small Talk, which 699 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 8: is got on a little bit of something for everyone. 700 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 8: But on Tuesdays we do it's like half news, half 701 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 8: pop culture, and then on Thursdays we do Small Talk, 702 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 8: which is interviewing someone a bit more chit chatty personal. 703 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 5: And then once a month we do a. 704 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 8: News deep dive episode two episodes as well on different 705 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 8: news topics. 706 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: That's called Big Talk Big Talk, Yeah amazing. 707 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: And then I run an. 708 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 7: Independent commentary platform called cheek Media, which is at cheek 709 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 7: media dot com on Instagram. 710 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: Amazing. 711 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: We'll put all the links in the show notes, of course, 712 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: and thank you again for coming on, and thanks to 713 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: your chicks for having us in your ear holes. 714 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: We'd love to be here. And thank you to m 715 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: ik Made for making today's episode happened. Bye Chicks, Bye 716 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: bye