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Speaker 1: I want you, Jason Lawrence, tell me what's you know.

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Speaker 2: Every week or every couple of weeks, we'd like to

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Speaker 2: catch up with a different area. The Victoria Police and

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Speaker 2: our friendly policeman, Cheesy Wayne Cheesman.

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Speaker 3: Always drops by.

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Speaker 2: Though Cheesy he wasn't so happy on the news last week.

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Speaker 4: This is what was fun in police today and I

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Speaker 4: think Melbourne has had a gutfull bottles filled with shards

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Speaker 4: of glass for being front of the police. Rotten fruit

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Speaker 4: was being fired in police bins were put on fire,

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Speaker 4: flags were on fire, and I think, you know, really,

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Speaker 4: enough's enough the disruption to Melbourne's We really need to

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Speaker 4: find an answer of what we do.

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Speaker 5: He's here right now and Cheesy where with you. We

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Speaker 5: have had a gutful well done on that press conference.

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Speaker 4: Thanks everyone, Thanks having me Back's all right, it was

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Speaker 4: a very different side of you.

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Speaker 5: You're only policeman and Cheesy was not happy and rightly so.

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Speaker 3: You should have seen the show group chat that looking

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Speaker 3: Cheese look at Cheesy happy.

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Speaker 4: It's funny the amount of people who said we've never

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Speaker 4: seen you like that, because I don't get like that

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Speaker 4: really no, but you know, sometimes you've just got to

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Speaker 4: call out behavior that's not appropriate, and when you have

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Speaker 4: hard working police, you know, one hundreds of are being

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Speaker 4: asked to come into the city to ensure that everybody's

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Speaker 4: safe getting targeted with that sort of thing. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think it's time to say enough to stick up

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Speaker 4: for the members.

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Speaker 1: In all your years of policing, which is thirty nine years,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine years, I mean you see a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: Have you seen anything like that in terms of the

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Speaker 1: treatment of police.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just not on.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's definitely true that the respect for

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Speaker 4: police has gone in a lot of areas of the community.

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Speaker 4: There's probably a lot of reasons for that. But you know,

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Speaker 4: we're I think we're divided as a society. There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of anger out there. There's a lot of behavior,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of I guess no common decency or

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Speaker 4: manners or anything anymore that you see, And I don't

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Speaker 4: know what causes that, but there's definitely a targeting of

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Speaker 4: police by some people. They don't like us.

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Speaker 5: So cheery you're telling me these protesters or you know what,

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Speaker 5: I don't even want to call them protesters, because there

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Speaker 5: are protesters that are there for the right reasons and

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Speaker 5: are peaceful and are doing the right thing. And then

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Speaker 5: there's these groups of individuals who are turning up putting

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Speaker 5: shards of glass in bottles and they're actually targeting the police.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: So, like I said, we have no problem with people

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Speaker 4: protesting and having their say because they're fighting for different

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Speaker 4: causes and different beliefs.

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Speaker 5: And it's a right to be able to protest, like

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Speaker 5: it or not. It is one of our rights, one.

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Speaker 4: Hundred percent right, and we're there just to keep the peace.

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Speaker 4: But we have you know, these people who come along

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Speaker 4: for the wrong reasons. I think they're actually doing their

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Speaker 4: protest cause at this service.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're agitators.

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Speaker 4: They are agitators.

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Speaker 5: And do you have the power to arrest these people

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Speaker 4: No, so we certainly have the power to arrest. Often

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Speaker 4: the arrests come post the event, when we start the investigation.

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Speaker 4: It's very difficult when you've got a heated situation and

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Speaker 4: you've got a thousand people, you know, on one side,

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Speaker 4: other side to go in. You know, you may see

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Speaker 4: the person throw the rock, but to actually form a

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Speaker 4: So it often happens.

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Speaker 5: Later because you've got to keep other people who are

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. We have to keep everyone safe.

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Speaker 5: And then when you arrest them, what's the consequence for

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Speaker 5: these people, because I think we're all sick of it.

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Speaker 5: We're sick of seeing the same people time and time

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Speaker 5: of it, I can't imagine how you're feeling.

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Speaker 4: It's difficult to talk about the penalty. So if I

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Speaker 4: go back to when we had the lanforce of exhibition

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Speaker 4: and that behavior at the police down at Jeff said,

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Speaker 4: some of those protests has got a fifteen hundred a

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Speaker 5: So throwing acid at the police they got a fifteen

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Speaker 4: Well, that was sort of the maximum penalty that those

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Speaker 4: Police just do their bit. The rest of it is,

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Speaker 4: you know, a story that's told to the courts, and

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Speaker 4: not really matter for us to talk to.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people might have thought in that moment

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Speaker 1: when you did speak to the media that there was

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Speaker 1: theater involved, but your blood was boiling, right.

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Speaker 4: I just think, you know, I think that it was important.

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Speaker 4: You know, as I was an acting commander. Then some

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Speaker 4: facing and I just thought, you know, I have to

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Speaker 4: say something because the behavior is unacceptable. And the feedback

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Speaker 4: from the community and from the police was overwhelmingly positive.

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Speaker 4: I must have had three hundred messages I had. I

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Speaker 4: it made the news over there, so overwhelming support, I think.

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Speaker 2: But I think people needed to see it physically, like firsthand,

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Speaker 2: and physically this is the stuff that we're dealing with

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Speaker 2: when you pour the you know, the box of rocks out, okay,

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Speaker 3: Made people step up and take notice, and he earned

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Speaker 3: a new nickname as well.

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Speaker 1: Around the traps the rock.

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Speaker 4: I felt good, but I got the rock, but I

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Speaker 4: didn't feel so good when the wife did the pudding.

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Speaker 2: Do you know there was there were several memes.

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Speaker 3: The Rock Cheese men.

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Speaker 5: Good on New Cheese though, because I mean, the police

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Speaker 5: us and you've got people just out there and some

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Speaker 5: of your team were injured and hurt. No wonder you

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm hoping at least it's started a conversation

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Speaker 4: that that maybe some things can change. And yes, you know,

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Speaker 4: the police do get angry. And the memes are funny,

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Speaker 4: who who will have fun with it, which conversations exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, you and your colleagues are people, are your people,

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Speaker 1: and you're being treated terribly in that in that moment,

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Speaker 1: that behavior goes to show that you are you are

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Speaker 2: I think I can't give my head around right. The

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Speaker 2: people that are doing this stuff have friends, have family.

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Speaker 2: How are they reacting?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: On the weekends, Hey, would you get up to oh mate,

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Speaker 2: I was down in the city. We'll throw on rocks

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Speaker 2: at the cops and stuff. Surely the people surrounding these

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Speaker 2: grubs are saying, mate, pull your head in, what are

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Speaker 5: Well, I hope there's more and more community outrage about

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Speaker 4: Well, I noticed there was no protest on the weekend,

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Speaker 4: so maybe that's a good thing. I think the protests

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Speaker 4: march for Australia, because they're on completely different mindsets or

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Speaker 4: and I think that's where the emotion gets and then

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Speaker 4: the police are in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, other states like New South Wales have permit systems, so.

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Speaker 3: Ye do they work?

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Speaker 4: So I believe that they they're happy with the permit

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Speaker 4: permit system. He didn't he didn't think it was something

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Speaker 4: we needed in Victoria, but you know, I guess that's

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Speaker 4: always been reviewed.

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Speaker 1: So so by way background, if you want to if

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Speaker 1: you want to protest, you have to apply for a

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Speaker 2: You and your's what's the advantage with it. It gives

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Speaker 5: Time to prepare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an organization or element. For instance, a group

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Speaker 1: applied to march on the Sydney Harbor Bridge. It was denied,

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Speaker 1: so they had to they had to protest elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: And then if they go ahead with that, technically they

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Speaker 5: Right, well you're disturbing the peace.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 4: I guess the issue with that is, you know, people

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Speaker 4: like the Rally for Palestine generally, their behavior has been

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Speaker 4: So how do you give a permit to everybody? It's

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Speaker 5: Now, Cheezy, you've got a new top cop. He came

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Speaker 5: in the other day. He was telling us about some

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Speaker 5: big changes happening in the Victoria Police. How's that going

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Speaker 3: We are?

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Speaker 5: We heading in the right direction.

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Speaker 4: So there's a really positive vibe with the new chief Commissioner.

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Speaker 4: I think he's doing a great job. He's looked at it.

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Speaker 4: He says that we can't keep doing what we're doing

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Speaker 4: and expect different results. Yes, So he's he's mixing up

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Speaker 4: the organization. He is definitely trying to support more police

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Speaker 4: on the front line, and there's some really innovative thinking

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Speaker 4: about the way we do business and moving forward. I'm

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Speaker 4: hoping that there has some really positive impacts on the

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Speaker 3: So he's getting rid of the fax machines.

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Speaker 5: That was a good getting police out of the paperwork

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Speaker 5: system and back on the streets.

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Speaker 3: Which you don't seem like a paperwork to me. No, No,

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Speaker 3: I do a lot of paperwork.

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Speaker 5: And next time that professor the spirit of Tasmania, next time.

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Speaker 3: You take the boat, take the boat. All the jet stuff.

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Speaker 3: Chezy could work the.

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Speaker 2: Other week, mate, you know you are. You're doing a

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Speaker 2: ripping job. And our hearts, our hearts really went out

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Speaker 2: to you guys that night.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't you shouldn't deserve that.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate all the support from the community as well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Good Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The rock, Yeah, the rock Johny's let's get rid of

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Speaker 2: the pride the pride Prie music will replace it with

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Speaker 2: the rock music.

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Speaker 3: There is Superintendent Rock. Can you smell what the rock is? Cook?

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Speaker 3: It's twenty six past seven. This is nov

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Speaker 5: Chase and Lauren Lauren wake Hot feeling good following them

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Speaker 5: on the socials