1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: We'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: on which this podcast was produced, the Galligle people of 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the orination. We pay our respects to Elder's past and present. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty three and we're bedside in a Sydney 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: hospital with Billy Dibb. The world champion boxer is facing 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: his toughest fight yet cancer. He's in unbearable pain and 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: thinks this could be the end of him. He pulls 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: out his phone and starts recording videos for his young son, 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: a special message for each milestone he won't be there for. 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: He diligently puts them all in a folder and prepares 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: instructions for his wife on how to find them. Billy 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: knows all too well what could happen next. He watched 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: his first wife go through this less than a decade ago, 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: tragically losing her battle. It takes all of Billy's strength 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: and courage to continue this enormous fight outside of the ring. 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: I'm at Middleton and this is head game. Today a 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: Billy did masterclass on overcoming adversity with faith, family and friendship. Now, 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: Billy is the former IBO super featherweight champion and the 19 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: IBF featherweight champion, and I say, former mate, you're looking 20 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: in great shape. Maybe you should go back and get 21 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: those belts. You know, I'm looking at you. You're looking well, mate, 22 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: You're looking You're looking fresh. How you're feeling. 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: I feel good, man, I feel really good. 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: You know. 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: It's good to be alive. I feel fit, I feel 26 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: strong and man, it's just good to be healthy. Yeah. 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: You know what this is the gratitude, especially once you've 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: had a career like you've had yours and you just 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: won an award recently, didn't you? I did, man, So 30 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: before we go into your childhood and go what award 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: did you win? 32 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: So recently? I overcame cancer and then I decided that 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: I wanted to leave boxing on my own terms. I 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: never wanted cancer to be the reason why I retired 35 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: from boxing, so I decided to have a comeback fight 36 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 3: and I won that comeback fight in Germany. And then 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: His Excellency and the team at the Ring Magazine contacted 38 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: me and said, look, we would like to invite you 39 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: to London for the Ring Magazine ceremony and I was 40 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 3: given a comeback story of the Year in front of 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: all the greatest champions, you know, to finally receive your 42 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: flowers on such a big platform and in a big stage, 43 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: it was just unbelievable. 44 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: It's huge. 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: It's like the longest standing boxing magazine in history. So 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: you know, his excellency border Off Oscar the lawyer, you know, 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: so to be at this event, you had Canela Alvaze, 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: you had aj you had Usik, you had all of 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: these great champions there and I was given this award 50 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: in front of all of them, and I was given 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: a standing ovation, which was unbelievable because you know, obviously 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: a lot of people respect the fact that I overcame canceled. 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: Billy. Honestly, there's a reason why you got that award, 54 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: and we're going to dig deep into that right now 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: because your story is fascinating. But let's dig into your 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: your childhood. Where were you born, Billy, and where did 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: you grow up? 58 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was born in Australia. I grew up 59 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: in the Suthern tire of Ingadein, which is a predominantly 60 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: white area. And I grew up with five brothers and 61 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: a sister, you know, in an area that basically wasn't 62 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: kind to us, and was that because we come from 63 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: an Arab descent. My father is Lebanese, my mother is Palestinian, 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: and we look the way we look, and you know, 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: for us growing up in Ingadin, we sort of stood 66 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: out like a sore thumb. And I don't really blame 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: the kids because as a kid, you see what's different. 68 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: You know, we were different, looked different. We had brown, 69 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: brown hair, we had brown eyes, you know, we were 70 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: tan skinned. It was people feed that, you know, like 71 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: who are these people? Where do they come from? So 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: people would often spray on our fence at home, Go home, 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: you dirty wogs, you know, and things like that was racism. Yeah, 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 3: it was pretty much right. Yeah, it was really really bad. 75 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: And I mean, look, I'm grateful for that because the 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: truth is is that without that, I would have never 77 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: found boxing. And that's that's what led me to boxing. 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: You know that the the bullies, you know, the people 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: who you know, spat at me, people that pushed me around, 80 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: that kicked me, you know, I mean, all these sort 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: of things, that's what led me to my destiny. And 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: and I'm forever grateful because without them, I wouldn't be 83 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: where I am today. I'm really grateful for each and 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: every single person that did that, and the true to God, 85 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: you know, we were able to turn them around anyway, 86 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: you know, because through the support of my family, I 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: was able to overcome that, become a world champion, do 88 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: my thing, and you know, the naysays became supporters. Do 89 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: you know what? 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: I love that they became support. Your enemies became your 91 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: friends ultimately. But let's let's dive a little bit deeper 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 2: into that. So did you clash yourself as as an 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: Aussie or due to the racism did you sort of 94 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: fall back on your on your parents? No? 95 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: Well, look, we my father was a very proud man 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: and he always made sure that we held the Australian 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: flag up first. You know, even like when I boxed 98 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 3: wherever I boxed in the world, my dad was always 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: very very like, You've got to make sure you take 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: this training flag with you. And I was always going 101 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: to do that anyway, you know. But my dad was 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: such a proud Australian and he used to always tell 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: us like, Australia has done everything for us. Lebanon and 104 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: Palestine did nothing for us. Australia gave us the opportunity. 105 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: You guys are living a good life because of Australia 106 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: and you know, like my dad had been very very patriotic. 107 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: I actually was on the you know, on the way 108 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 3: to represent in Australia at the two thousand and four 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: Big Games, but due to a motorbike accident, I lost 110 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: my opportunity. And then Lebanon came knocking on the door 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: and they offered me this amazing opportunity to represent Lebanon, 112 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: you know, at the All African Games and to try 113 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: to win my opportunity to represent Lebanon to do the 114 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: Me Games. And my dad, I was all in. My 115 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: dad was like, absolutely not. We're going to have to 116 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: say thank you for that opportunity, but we're not doing that. 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: And I was like, Dad, why would you do that? 118 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: And he's like, listen, if you go and represent Lebanon 119 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: and you end up finding Australia in the first round 120 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: of the tournament and you win, he goes, hey, I mean, 121 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: could you ever come home? You never coming home, like 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: you'll forever be the enemy. And you know, I didn't 123 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: understand it at the time, but I do understand it now, 124 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: you know. I mean obviously as I as I grew out, 125 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: I started to understand these things. And you know, obviously 126 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: the support and love that I've been shown by this 127 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: shame public has been unreal. 128 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: But growing up it must have been quite hard to 129 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: because you've obviously got a very positive mindset to be 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: able to think like that, or you had a very 131 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: positive influence behind you. Are you your dad and your 132 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: and your mom. It's very hard not to sort of go, well, 133 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: fuck you, you know, and and then fall back on on 134 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: on you know where you where your parents came from, right, 135 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: But was there any moment joined your childhood that you 136 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: that you went to go down that avenue or you 137 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: you felt like that at all? 138 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: Never, Honestly, I never never went down that avenue. I 139 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: never felt that way. I just felt like, you know what, 140 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: especially at the at the young age of you know, 141 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: sixteen or fifteen, I was representing Australia all over the 142 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: world and I was wearing the Australian colors and carrying 143 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: a flag. I was so proud, you know, I mean, 144 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: to be able to represent Australia at the World Cadets, 145 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: the juniors, the seniors. I went all over the world. 146 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: I literally boxed all over the world. They wrote that song, 147 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: I've been everywhere man, that's about me because I literally 148 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: been everywhere, you know, I boxed everywhere for Australia and 149 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: I was so proud to carry the flag so high, 150 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: you know, and like obviously I made a lot of 151 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: good friends overseas. And you know, where do you come from? 152 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: I come from Australia. So, man, you do look Australian, 153 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: I said, I said, what does an Australian look like? 154 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 4: Home? 155 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: And home in the way your neighbors. I'm like, nah, mate, 156 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: I'm from Australia. I'm thinking, though, you. 157 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: Know exactly way at Nay, you said that when you 158 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: were younger, you know that that sort of helped you 159 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: to and you're grateful for it because it helped you 160 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 4: sort of transform into boxing. 161 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: Why did you get into boxing first and foremost? And 162 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: when did you realize that not only you had a 163 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: passion for it, but you were Talenteday, you. 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: Know, I'll be honest with you. The first day that 165 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: I walked into the gym, I remember like it's the 166 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: most vivid moment in my life because it was a 167 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: life changing moment that right in that moment when I 168 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 3: walked up the stairs, I was wearing the boxing gloves. 169 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: I actually knocked on the door with my elbow for 170 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: the train at open door. And once he opened the door, 171 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: and I actually saw a boxing ring right in front 172 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: of me, and there was all these posters of Muhammad Ali, 173 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: Mirk Tyson, Costas, Jeff Fennick, all these amazing fighters. And 174 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh my god, this is what I 175 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 3: wanted to do in my life. This is exactly I 176 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: was twelve years of age. I seen two guys fighting 177 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: and nobody stopping in the fight. I was like, oh 178 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: my god, this is right up my alley. And I 179 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: knew writing that moment that I had walked into my destiny. 180 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: And I was like, my vision right in that moment 181 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: was so clear. I was so clear, Like the vision 182 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: was so strong that I need to work out what 183 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: it takes to be like him, him, him and him. 184 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: What do I going to do in that moment? And 185 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: I was like I was going to stop at nothing. 186 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: And I literally stopped that nothing. Because my consistency followed. 187 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: I was on point every single day i'd turn up 188 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: to the dem I train. My dad was a really 189 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: hard man and he was really hard on our education. 190 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 3: So if I ever played up at school, he'd be 191 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: like listen, you're not going to boxing for a week. 192 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: And I'd beg and kick and screaming. He said, no, 193 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: no boxing for a week. You did what you did, mate, 194 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: cop the consequences. Yeah, And so then I'd it quickly 195 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: turned from from the back of the class to the 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: front of the class, from getting like fifty percent to 197 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: get an eighty and ninety percent. Because I wanted to 198 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: do anything just to get to the boxing gym. I'd 199 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: run home, give my dad my homework. Dad, I've done 200 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: the homework already. I've got to go, Dad, to catch 201 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: a train of the gym because I just wanted it 202 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: so bad. 203 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: And what made you walk into that gym in the 204 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: first place. I love that experience where you walked in 205 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: and obviously hit you in the face. You know that 206 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: was your destiny, that's what you wanted to do. But 207 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: what made you knock on that door, well, elbow. 208 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: It all started with with the bullying, you know, it 209 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: all started with the bullying. And then my father was like, listen, 210 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: we need to enroll you guys in some after school sports. 211 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 3: Maybe you guys can make friends with the kids outside 212 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: of school and then, you know, break down the barriers 213 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: that led to some football rugby league, and then that 214 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: really didn't sit well for me, and the trainer pulled 215 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: out some pads one day and some gloves and said 216 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: we're going to do some boxer size today. And I 217 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: grew up in the household where the Rocky franchise was 218 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: the number one franchise in our home. All we did 219 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: was watch Rocky movies from there. Yeah, I'm telling you, 220 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 3: sevest Salon and Apollo Creed, all them guys were having 221 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah they were our heroes, no joke, and same with me. Yeah. 222 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: So and then for me it's like, you know, I 223 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: just thought, you know what this is right up alley 224 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: and that's what I want to do, and walk me 225 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: into that gym and never look back, never look back. 226 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: And you say that your childhood sort of shaped you. 227 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: So do you think once you started boxing and you 228 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: realized that you were good at it, do you think 229 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: their respect then was it easier for you to integrate 230 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: with with finding new friends? 231 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, I didn't have to find the new friends 232 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 3: because what I did was one day the PC yic 233 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: linked me up to have my first amateur fight, and 234 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 3: I thought this is the greatest, Like this is such 235 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: a great opportunity, your first fight, my first ever fight. 236 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: So you know what I did. I made a poster 237 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 3: and I went to the school and I said to 238 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: the principal, said, I'm going to be fighting at the 239 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: Southern pc RC. Can I invite the whole school to 240 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: come watch me fight? And he was like, you can 241 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: put the poster around whoever. So I basically plastered this 242 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: school with posters. I'm not joking, and like maybe sixty 243 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: or seventy kids come to watch me fight. Never seeing 244 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: how crazy, I was like, oh my god, this guy 245 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: is the real deal. You know, I'm not messing with 246 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: him anymore, you know, I mean, so I quickly got 247 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: my respect. 248 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: It was such a racism to stop there. 249 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: No, I tell you there was. There was a few 250 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 3: incidents after that, but it didn't it didn't last long 251 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: because I was like I was quick to put an 252 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: end to it, you know, I mean, it was like 253 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: you had I had to like stamp my authority. This 254 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: is what this is what's going to be, you know, 255 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you're going to show me respect. 256 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: How consistent did you have to be in order to 257 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: follow your passion? 258 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 3: My dream of becoming a world champion was an absolute obsession. 259 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: There was there was no other obsession in my life. So, 260 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: you know, like when I was growing up, you know, 261 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 3: I had a lot of cousins who were my age. 262 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: They were all going out, partying, eating fast food, you know, 263 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: doing all the all the fun things that you do 264 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: when you're a kid. But I was so disciplined. I 265 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: was like, every time they offered me to go somewhere 266 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: and be like, no, I got to go, man, because 267 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: I've got to training tomorrow. But I'd always like, I mean, 268 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: I'd have fun with them and stuff, but I was 269 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: always like, this is number one. Boxing is number one. 270 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to do whatever it takes to make it. 271 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: And if that means saying good night to my cousins early, 272 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: then That's what I'm going to do. Because I was 273 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: there was nothing more that I wanted them to become 274 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 3: a world champion. I wanted to be forever a stamp 275 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: in the history books. 276 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: How important is that, you think for any youngster to 277 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 2: have that that obsession, because obsession does lead to discipline, 278 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: does lead to drive, it does lead to the determination grit, 279 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: and a lot of youngsters don't find that, do they. 280 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, look for me, I'll tell I'll tell you. 281 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: I actually developed the brand called Believe, which is based 282 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: on my story coming up. So I believe is that 283 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: Billy Did had to believe in himself before anybody else did. 284 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: And the brand is actually be I douby ve so 285 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: Believe and the slogan that goes with the done that 286 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: it's clever, vision, consistency, success. Everything in your life starts 287 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: with the vision. The consistency in the middle will only 288 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: help you find success. If there's no consistency, you'll never 289 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: find success because to find success you need to have consistency, 290 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: and to find consistency you have to have a vision. 291 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: If your vision is not clear, if you're waking up 292 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: in the morning saying I want to be a lawyer sleeping, 293 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: I'm not saying you want to be a doctor. Waking 294 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: up next morning saying you want to be an athlete, 295 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: that's not a consistent vision. That's just the thought. We 296 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: all have thoughts. But it's the consistency once you find 297 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: that vision, that will help you find success. And that 298 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: was for me Boxing, You know what I mean. Boxing 299 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: obviously gave me the platform to be who I am today. 300 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: You gave me the platform to inspire and to be inspired. 301 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: So you know, I'm forever grateful to the sport of boxing, 302 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: to any kid out there who wants to be great 303 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: in whatever they want to do, because each and every 304 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: single one of us has greatness within us. It's whether 305 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: you're willing to tap into that fight that greatness to 306 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: find it. You know, we could take you to the water, 307 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: but we can't make you drinks. So any kid out 308 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: there who has a dream of being anything in their life, 309 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: as long as you're consistent, you'll find success. If you 310 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: find something that you really want, you'll stop at nothing, 311 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, you know yourself, You've been there before, 312 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: you know. I mean when you want something really bad, 313 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's takes session, right, it takes an obsession exactly, 314 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: and not many people have it. I think there's only 315 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: like a select amount of people who have that, you know, 316 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: that obsession thing, you know. I mean, it's like I 317 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: really want this, I'm willing to do whatever it takes. 318 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, when did that happen to you? When you thought yourself, 319 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: do you know what? I could become a world champion. 320 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: When I first started amateur boxing, I actually lost my 321 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: first amateur fight. I had the one that I invited 322 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: the whole school to was an exhibition, so there was 323 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: no winner or a loser. But then after that I 324 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: started fighting. I had my first amateur fight, I lost, 325 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: but the obsession grew. After the loss of the obsession grew 326 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: and next thing you know, I ended up having one 327 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: hundred and thirteen amateur fights. I had ninety eight wins 328 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: and fifteen losses. I was ranked as high as number 329 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: six in the world at one stage, so I basically 330 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: got the opportunity to represent Australia all over the world. 331 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: And a lot of the people that I saw around 332 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: the world, the guys who became world champion during the 333 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: time that I was world champion in the pros, a 334 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: lot of them. But there was that point where I 335 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: hit my fiftieth fight and I thought, man, no one 336 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: can beat me at the moment. I'm on this winning 337 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: streaks like, no one can touch me at the moment, 338 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: So you start to believe in yourself. And then when 339 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 3: I was a young boy at the age of seventeen, 340 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: I got on a plane and traveled to the UK 341 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: where I met Princet Sim And when Princess Sim and 342 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: I met and we started training together, he pretty much 343 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 3: said to me, listening, you're destined to be a world 344 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: champion and trained with Princess Sim I trained. I was 345 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: being friends with Na since the age of seventeen till today. Wow, 346 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: we're very close friends. And so when I went over 347 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: there when I was seventeen and worked out with him, 348 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: he was like, man, you got all the schools and 349 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: attributes to become a world champion. You know, if you 350 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: believe you can do it, you'll do it. And I 351 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: didn't only just become a world champion, but I actually 352 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: won the same world title that Princess Seim held in 353 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: the same weight division. He was the IBF Fatherweight Champion 354 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: in ninety seven and I was the IBF Fatherweight Champion 355 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, which is unbelievable. You know, that was 356 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: my dream. My dream was to follow in the footsteps 357 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: of my childhood here and I was able to do that. Wow. 358 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: So you're training with Prince Nazim, you obviously entered the 359 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: elite there. You know, it was there a stage that 360 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: you realized that, listen, I'm training with the elite. Now 361 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: need to step up from the amateur sort of realm 362 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: to a professional realm. And when did that first professional 363 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: fight come who did you go looking for it or 364 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: did it come obviously looking for you due to your 365 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: amateur record. 366 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 3: When I missed out on Liby Games, we had a 367 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: meeting as a team and we decided as a team 368 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: that it was time to say goodbye to the amateur 369 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: boxing and term professionals. So at the age of just 370 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: a few days shy of my nineteenth birthday because I 371 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 3: had a little bit of time off, but I went 372 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: to see NAS. And when I was in the UK 373 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: with NAS, I was pretty much on the fence whether 374 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to box or not. And I 375 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: was was like, listen, You've got everything it takes. Don't 376 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: worry about the Libby Games. Just put that behind you 377 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: and start looking towards the next goal, which is to 378 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: become a world champion. And you know we're going to 379 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: guide you there. And so once I spoke to ours 380 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: and we had that sit down, I got on a plane, 381 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: come home and basically started preparing for my pro debut 382 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 3: and within five five tolls his training champion. After my 383 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: sixth fight, I'd already become a international champion with the IBO. 384 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: I won the IBO Fellow Championship in a twelve round decision. 385 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: So after six fights, I already had a twelve round 386 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 3: fight and so I was fast tracking. And then by 387 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: the time. 388 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: When fast tracking due to at this stage, you're you're 389 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 2: you're unbeatable right in your head. So you're fast tracking 390 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: because you're you're you're winning, you're consistent, you're capable. Yeah, 391 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: you know, it's very humble of you to say you're 392 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: fast tracking, but you're fast tracking yourself due to due 393 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: to your discipline, due to you know, due to surrounding 394 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: yourself with the right people, due to your training. What 395 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: was it like being Australian, you know, being the Australian champion, 396 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: knowing that you you know everything that you've been through 397 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: as a child and you know, growing up and then 398 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: all of a sudden represents you know, the country that, 399 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: as your father said, you know, gave you everything. Yeah, 400 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: that's huge. You know you skipped over that, but that's huge. Man. 401 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: Winning winning the strained title in my fifth professional fight. 402 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: I remember the auditorium was at hearstfal Entertainment Center was 403 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: packed house, and uh, you know it was I mean, 404 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 3: it was such a special woman because all of my 405 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: friends and relatives were there. It was. It was massive. 406 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: And I went out there and dusted this guy up 407 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 3: in one round, like absolutely annihilated him, you know what 408 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: I mean. It was it was unbelievable. It was like 409 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: just what a like, what a way to capture that 410 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 3: strained title. And and the guy that I fought, his 411 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 3: name was John Star. Mean, at the time, he was 412 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: he was doing okay, you know, and he was talking 413 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: up his chances of beating me and called me a 414 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: kid and said I am I am Billy the kid, 415 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But we'll see, you know 416 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: when we'll see. Yeah. And when I did the job 417 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 3: on him, and when I when I like when the 418 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: referee stopped the fight, I was, I was emotional, you 419 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 3: know what I mean, like a strained professional champion. And 420 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: then to be the best in Australia. Then I automatically 421 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: fall into the common Wealth ratings because you know, we're 422 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 3: a comonwealth country, so now we're in Comonwealth ratings. And 423 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: I was excited about that. But all I my man 424 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 3: most figuring, like my mind was just like all I 425 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: cared about was being a world champion. I just wanted 426 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: to follow in the footsteps of my childhood hero I was, 427 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: and I had just come back from doing a camp 428 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 3: with him, and then I won the Strange title and 429 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: then I knew I was going back to do another camp. 430 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: Obsession was real, I'll tell you, Like the obsession was 431 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: that real that I used to cry for it. I 432 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: used to cry. There would be nice that I would 433 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: cry and just beg God, say God please, I'm begging you, 434 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: like there's so much more to unfold with, you know. 435 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I did win the world title, and 436 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of people say, you know, 437 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: I've reached the pinnacle and I'm done. But for me, 438 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 3: I wasn't done there. I wanted more. 439 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 2: Was it hard for you to win that title and 440 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 2: then keep, you know, to edge forward and keep on 441 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: going to the elite levels? Because I know a lot 442 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 2: of people that have reached a certain stage with it. 443 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: It's in their career, whether it's on a course, a 444 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: military course, and they go, do you know what that's 445 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: me I'm going to see at the top of this 446 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: castle and away we go. Was there any any sort 447 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: of any resting on your levels? 448 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely? I was just a kid. That was just that 449 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: was for me. That was the starting point. That was 450 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 3: really the starting point. And you know, and then obviously 451 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: after that came like in to national titles and things 452 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 3: like that, and then eventually I got to the point 453 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: where I fought for the championship of the World and 454 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: I was on the undercart of Anthony Mundine versus Crazy Kim. 455 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 3: It was in a packed out stadium in Newcastle, and 456 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: I thought a gentleman by the name of Theloni Moralei 457 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 3: who's no longer with us, he was he was killed 458 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: in his hometown of South Africa, and so you know, 459 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: I fought him in an absolute dog fight, and I 460 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 3: had to go to places that I've never been before. 461 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 3: And you know, this is where I get this whole 462 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: thing in my mind that in order to be elite, 463 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: in order to be the best in the world, you 464 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: have got to be willing to go to a place 465 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: that the opposite is not willing to go to. You know, 466 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: when you want to be the best at something, that 467 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 3: was the night that I learned to be the best, 468 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: you've you've got to be willing to go to a 469 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: place of death nearly. 470 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: Well, you do, you know, in order to be the 471 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: best and to be the earl, you've hit the nail 472 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: on the head there. Really you need to in your 473 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: mind give up the ultimate sacrifice, which I think is 474 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: your life. Is like that with me in the military, 475 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: I was willing to trade the ultimate sacrifice for success, 476 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: you know, to get the job done for mission mission success. 477 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: And it goes down to that in the ring. It's 478 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: no different. It's the obsession is so real that when 479 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: I say to people, what are you willing to sacrifice 480 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: my life? If people say in my life, I'm like, 481 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: you're you're You're there, brother, You're there, you know, just 482 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: keep on keep on pushing forward. 483 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: I tell you, I tell you. In round nine, Johnny 484 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: Lewis looked me dead in the eye because Johnny Lewis 485 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: has helped me at the time, and he said, Billy, 486 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: no one will question your balls if I stopped the 487 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: fight now. And I looked in there and you and 488 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: I said, don't you dare. I told you I'm willing 489 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: to die in the ring. I'm not leaving without the belt. 490 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: Don't let me live without the belt, like very stern, 491 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 3: you know, in that moment, And he didn't stop the 492 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: fight even though he could have, because it was getting 493 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 3: like that was really rough, even though it was winning 494 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: but it was a rough fight. It's the first time 495 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: I'd ever been knocked down in my career. We thought 496 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: tooth and nail, you know what I mean, like but 497 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: total to I was willing to go to that place 498 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 3: where I nearly died to be victorious. And I'll be 499 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: honest with you. After the fight and being crown champion, 500 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: I remember going back to the hotel and I was shaking, 501 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 3: like profusely, and my mom was trying to like console 502 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: me and help me, but I just couldn't stop shaking. 503 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: I was like, I feel like I've broken something inside. See, 504 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 3: the body has this defense mechanism, I believe you know 505 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: that's what tallts us don't jump jump, don't you know? 506 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 3: It's a defense mechanism. And I'd never pushed the defense 507 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: mechanism to that point ever. I'd never told my body 508 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: go to this place. So when I took it there, 509 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: it was like I've never been here before. So for 510 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: a while after that, I wasn't willing to go back 511 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: there again. I couldn't push myself to the point where 512 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: I felt like I was going to hurt myself. And 513 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: then what that led to was after winning that word title, 514 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: it was like the greed of becoming I wanted to 515 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: become a multiple time world champion quick because I because 516 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: you could say, you could say it was greed, but 517 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: it was like I had the Yeah, I had the drive, 518 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: the passion, obsession was still exactly. I lost my next fight. 519 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: I dropped in. I dropped dow anyway, and I fought 520 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 3: for the wo featherweight world title, which was a world 521 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: title that was held for a long time by Princeton 522 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 3: sema Med. He made fifteen title defenses, so there was 523 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 3: an obsession to have that. But the unfortunate thing was 524 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 3: that I wasn't willing to go to a place of 525 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: death in that fight to be victorious. And he was, 526 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: and he was and he ended up. It was a 527 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: very lackluster performance by me. It was a boring fight. 528 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 3: He won a decision by two points. What that did 529 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: was it reignited the fire, which then sent me to 530 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: Mecca to do a pilgrimage. Once I'd done that pilgrimage, 531 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 3: I was I remember being in a place called Arafat 532 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: and my dad said to me, said, listen, when you're 533 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: an Arafat, ask God for whatever it is that you want. 534 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: Said anything, and he goes anything. I said, God, I 535 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: know you've given me a war title, but if you 536 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: could just give me one more, God, I'll never ask 537 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: for anything again, right, And so I got back home 538 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: and then the rebuild started. I had nine fights. I 539 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: worked my way back to the number one position. I 540 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 3: worked my way back where I was the number one contender, 541 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: and then I fought for the War title. And because 542 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: I was a number one contender, we were able to 543 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 3: bring the championship to Australia. We were able to go 544 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: into a purse bid. We brought the guy here and 545 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: I won the fight and reclaimed my second world championship 546 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: and put myself in the history books, as you know, 547 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 3: only the third Australian to ever win a furatherweight war 548 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: title in history, which was Jeff Fenick, Johnny Farmershan and 549 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: Billy Dibb. 550 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: Really, dam of course, is a li with your mentality, mate, 551 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: and your drive and obsession and you know, willing to 552 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: give the ultimate sacrifice, which it is. And it's interesting 553 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: that you mentioned that on your first title win. You know, 554 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 2: it's almost you know, hitting that pain threshold. You've never 555 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: hit it before, you know, to a certain extent where 556 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: your body feels like it's going to shut down, and 557 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: you're going to but then you realize that you've gone 558 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: from here, You've pushed that bang. This is your new limitation. 559 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: Guess what limitations are there to be pushed boundaries? I 560 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: really believe that once you rebelieved that did that? What 561 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: is that what it felt like for your second title win? 562 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: Well? 563 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: Were you willing to go back there? 564 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: And I was ready to go there again? Yeah, but 565 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 3: you know what, I woke up on the morning with 566 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 3: that fight. I'll never forget it. I drove to my 567 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 3: mother and father's place and I hadn't seen them for 568 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: a while because I was in camp. But then I 569 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 3: saw my mom. Said, Mum, I want to tell you something. 570 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 3: Don't stress, Mum. I've got a cover. I'm going to 571 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 3: be champion of the world again today. And she's like 572 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: you sure, And I'm like, Mum, listen, don't even stress. 573 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 3: I said, all I got to do is turn up. 574 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: I've already won. I've done all of the hard work. 575 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 3: I've left no stone unturned. I promise you tonight your 576 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: son will be world champion. Like you should come up. 577 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: She's like, I don't want to come I said, you 578 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: don't have to but don't worry. I'll bring the belt 579 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: home to you. And that night I won the world title, 580 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: I brought home and I said, you know, I mean, 581 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: I was like, like an incredible you know, to be 582 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: to be the best in the world, especially the IBF 583 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: featherweight world champion, to be the best in the world, 584 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 3: and to be the first person that tweeted me when 585 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 3: I won that world title was Oscar the Lawyer, and 586 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: he was like, congratulations to my my, you know, my 587 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 3: good friend Billy Dive. That was to me, that was 588 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: an incredible feeling, Like, wow, Oscar de Laaroy is tweeting me. 589 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 3: You know what I mean I was. 590 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: I was, yeah, you knew that. 591 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 592 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: Is it still and just be completely completely honest with me. 593 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: Is it still going into a defense? Is it still 594 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 2: as as you know, sort of passionate as going into 595 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: winning that time. 596 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you one thing. You go, 597 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: you go into a realm of untouchable. That's in my mind. 598 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: I was in the realm of untouchable, like I'm too 599 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: good to be touched, unstable. Yeah, and so but when 600 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: I won that world title, it was a vacant world title, 601 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 3: so it was a vacant world title that the number 602 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: one and number two were fine for. So for me, 603 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 3: I was like, well, I'm not really going to be 604 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 3: regarded as a great world champion until I defend it, 605 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: so let me go out and make my first title defense. 606 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: And poor guy that I thought in my first title 607 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: defense was an Italian guy who had a record of 608 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: thirty one wins without a loss. And he came over 609 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: talking about he's going to do this and he's going 610 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: to do that, and he's leaving back to Italy with 611 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: the championship. And I said, listen, do yourself a favor 612 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: and bring a pillow. I said, you're going to sleeping 613 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: the kids. I said, bring a pillow, you're going to 614 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: sleep and I and I actually, did you bring a pillow? 615 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: Did you bring me? 616 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: Translated into him in Italian? Because I wanted him to 617 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 3: understand exactly what I was saying. I told him I'm 618 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: going to knock you out in one round, and I 619 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: know exactly what I did. I went out there and 620 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: I dropped him with his body shot and blaid him 621 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: right out in the first round. To be world champion 622 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: and to win your first title defense with a first 623 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: round knockout against a guy who was the European champion. 624 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I am on that pedestal right now, 625 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: and you can't shake me off. No matter what you do, 626 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: You're not shaking me off the pedestal. I was on 627 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: a major high, you know. And for me, it was 628 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: like when I was champion, it wasn't just about me, 629 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: because you know, to be a champion you need a team. 630 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: It's not just about you, It's about everybody else that's 631 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: around you, you know what I mean. It's like the minute 632 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 3: you hit any sort of adversity in your life, if 633 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: you've got something to fight for, you'll find a reason 634 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: to fight. But if you don't, you'll give up. But 635 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: for me, it was like anytime the going got tough 636 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: in the road to becoming a world champion, I would 637 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: always think about all the people that were invested in 638 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: me with like number one, my family, my management, my trainer, 639 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: my fans, my love, like, you know, like all these 640 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: people had invested in me. They were invested in me, 641 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: so it was like my job was to turn up 642 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: and do the job. So when I was winning, they 643 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: were winning. Yeah, you know that's how I felt. I felt, 644 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: like how amazing is that for my brother, who is 645 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: at the time just a young kid going to school, 646 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: that he can go to school and tell his mates 647 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: that my brother's a world champion. Yeah, a two time 648 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: world champion. My brother is a two time world champion. 649 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: I was like, what an incredible feeling. 650 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: On the super positive side. You know, everyone's winning when 651 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: you're winning, Yeah, how about when you're losing? 652 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: Well, I lost. So when I did lose, you know, 653 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the people that I loved the most 654 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 3: were still there, you know what I mean. Obviously it 655 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: was that, you know, my mom and dad were always 656 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: going to be there because they're always going to be 657 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: there no matter what their number one fans, with the winning, losing, 658 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: whatever's happened in your life, they're always there. 659 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: When do you experience it's your first loss. 660 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: So basically I went on a great run where I 661 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: defended my total three times and then I signed this 662 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: amazing contract with Floyd Malvern and fifty cent. Mind blowing contract. Right, 663 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: young kid from the Verbs of Ingadeen. All of a sudden, 664 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: he's in Vegas signings, was gone, big time deals, and 665 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 3: then I'm sitting I'm sitting down with fifty cent and 666 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: he writes up a contract that offers me three point 667 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 3: three million dollars of a course from nine fights. Like 668 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 3: I was like, I've made it. This is like I've 669 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: made it, you know, I mean, this is my And 670 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: that was at a minimum. That was three point three 671 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: million at a minimum. So I was like, I'd made it. 672 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I'm home and host, you know, 673 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: I mean. And then and then fifty cent and Floyd 674 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: Malvin had this massive fallout. I got caught up in 675 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: the middle of it. And then basically Floyd Malvin being 676 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: Floyd Malvern and having the power that he has in boxing, 677 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: he was able to basically have me blacklisted from the 678 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: TV it works. Him and fifty fell out. I was 679 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: stuck in contract with fifty and Floyd wanted to make 680 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: me pay for that, you know. 681 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: I mean, so how mental is that that you were 682 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: this kid born you know, you know, as you grow up, 683 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: you experienced racism, bullying, you hit the gym because of it. 684 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: And then is it surreal and do you ever take 685 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: yourself back to those moments when that happened to even 686 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: just be sitting down with these names, you know, and 687 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: you know, being associated with these names, is it not 688 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: did you not pinch yourself something? 689 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was listening, I'll be honest mental 690 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: as a kid. It was unreal to be able to 691 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: pick up the phone and be like, hey, fifty, can 692 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: you speak to my friend for a minute, and like 693 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: that's how it was. It was like that for a 694 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: good year year and a half. It was exactly like that. 695 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: Fifty would like be on call, you know, it was 696 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: on dial. But man, Floyd Malburn became a real bully, 697 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He was an absolute bully. 698 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: I was like, man, why are you doing this to me? 699 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: What do I do to you? I don't even really 700 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: know you man. Yeah, but you know at the end 701 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 3: the day they had their feud, I got caught up 702 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: in the middle of it. But it makes for a 703 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: good story. Yeah. You know, I'm a good sport man, 704 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 3: like I said, you know, like you got to ride 705 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: the waves of life. You mean, there's highs and then 706 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 3: there's loads, and you know we could we could get 707 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 3: stuck in the loads. But you know, somebody, a great 708 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: mentor of mindset this to me the other day said, listen, 709 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 3: there's the reason why the review mirror is so small 710 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: and the windscreen head is so big heady because it's 711 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: so much more correct attaining life. You know, we're looking 712 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 3: at that review mirror and getting stuck in the past. 713 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: Is that's old news? You know, I mean, and I'm 714 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: no longer like that. And you know, obviously the experiences 715 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: that I've had in life have built me to the 716 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: person that I am today. 717 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: So when does the cancer scare come along and there's 718 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: scare at first or is it just like no, it 719 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: was it was full on, yeah, it was diagnosis. 720 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 3: It was full on, man, it was full on. 721 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: I was took me through when stoppable at the top 722 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: of your game to realizing wow, maybe yeah, well well 723 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: I was. 724 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: I was rated highly with the IBF out lightweight and 725 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: I was on the verge of an opportunity to fight 726 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 3: George Cambosis in an All Australian showdown, and I was 727 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 3: in the gym preparing for it. And then one day 728 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 3: a friend of mine he hit me with a body 729 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: shot and when he in the body he didn't win me, 730 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 3: but there was like a really excruciating pain, like somebody 731 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: stabbed me in the stomach. I thought like I felt 732 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 3: like I had torn something. But then you know, obviously 733 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 3: I got out of the ring, and you know, I 734 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: went about my day and then the next day I 735 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: come into the gym again to try to skip. When 736 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 3: I was skipping, this thing was really hurt. And so 737 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 3: then I was like, there's something wrong. I couldn't go 738 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 3: to the restroom, I couldn't defecate, I couldn't do anything. 739 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: I was something wasn't right, and so I basically went 740 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: to my mom and dad's place and begged my mom 741 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 3: for mercy, know, And it wasn't until it like they 742 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 3: actually ended up taking me to the doctors and then 743 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: I saw the hematologists and they'd ended up doing a 744 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 3: scan and they found that I had colon cancer. So 745 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 3: they removed a nine centimeter tumor. Was actually a seven 746 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 3: set the meter trimmer, but they cut a nine and 747 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: sent a minute diameter out to make sure that they 748 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 3: cleaned up everything. Yeah, it was massive seven. It was 749 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 3: like it was like this, and so had that. 750 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: Been there for excuse, you know, going back, but that's 751 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: that'd been there for. 752 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 3: They reckoned it had been there for a while. But 753 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 3: how do I not got hit there? It would have 754 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: continued to go without any you know, I would have 755 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: not known about it. Maybe it would have been too 756 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 3: late by the time they found it. 757 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 2: Wow. 758 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: In that say, when he hit it eruptured. They told 759 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: me that it actually ruptured and that's how we found it. 760 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: And so once they did the skin, they took it out. 761 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: Then they said to me, look, we're going to do 762 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 3: a bit of chemo therapy just to clean up around it. 763 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: And I said, no, no, I'm not doing no chemo. I 764 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: don't want no part of chemo therapy. And I was 765 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 3: like why, And I was like, look, twenty fifteen, my 766 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: my wife was diagnosed with cancer. She died two months 767 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 3: and ten days later. 768 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 2: Wow, and you're still how how do you carry on 769 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: from that? How do you? How do you? How do 770 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 2: you take a step forward. 771 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest with you. Look, I'm a 772 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 3: very God fearing person and I believe that God does 773 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: everything for a reason. And like I thought about it 774 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: when when Sara pass, I was like, who can I 775 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 3: fight with them? I'm going to fight with God. I 776 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 3: can't fight with God. I've just got to be very accepting. 777 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 3: And then look, you know God is very merciful and 778 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 3: very giving as well. Because today I'm married and I've 779 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: got a beautiful wife and a beautiful son, and like 780 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 3: life is good again, you know what I mean? Truth 781 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 3: be told, I wouldn't change what I have today for 782 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: what I had. I wouldn't do that, I'd say, And 783 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 3: moving moving forward, you know, like everything is just great, 784 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: everything's in it is a really good position now. 785 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 2: So how did you what happened there after? Then? 786 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 3: How did you know what happened? I went home and 787 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 3: things were good for for about a week, and then 788 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: a week later I was with my wife and my 789 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 3: son and I was not feeling too well. And next thing, 790 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 3: you know, again, I felt very, very sick, and so 791 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 3: my wife's like, look, we've got to take it to hospital. 792 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 3: And I pretty much begged her not to take me, 793 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 3: and she's like, look, I'm going to ring him he 794 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: told us, and just let him know how you're feeling. 795 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 3: She rang him, She's like, he goes, look, I'm really 796 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 3: sorry to tell you this, but we've had to look 797 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 3: over Billy's bloods. We'll hopeing we didn't have to tell 798 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 3: you guys to Monday, but you got to bring him 799 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 3: straight back. We we think he's cancer spread. And so 800 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 3: then I go back to hospital and then I was 801 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 3: basically riddled with the cancer was all over my stomach 802 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 3: area and my stomach lining and everything, and so, you know, 803 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 3: I still didn't know what was going on. But then 804 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 3: a doctor walks in. His name was doctor aber Bartacharan 805 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: and we had a talk and he basically said to me, 806 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 3: he goes, you're not in a very good state. Do 807 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 3: you know what it is that you have? 808 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: Not? 809 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 3: Had no idea? And he goes, mate, you've pretty much 810 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 3: got six months to live. And in that moment, I 811 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 3: was obviously gob smacked, but the only thing I could 812 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 3: think about was not being a quitter. I'm not going 813 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 3: to quit, you know. So I asked him the question. 814 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 3: I said, how do I turn six months into sixty years? 815 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 3: And he goes, why what you said? Yeah, I said, 816 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 3: how do I turn six months into sixty years? And 817 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: he asked me the question why? That's all he had 818 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 3: to ask me. When he said why, I said, Look, 819 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 3: I've got a son who's on the verge of turning three, 820 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 3: and I need to walk into school in two years time, 821 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 3: so I need to do everything in my power to 822 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 3: beat this cancer. And he goes. He goes, So, he goes, 823 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 3: you gotta start chemotherapy yesterday, And I was like I'm 824 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 3: on boarding. He goes just like that. I said, yeah, 825 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: so it's not about me anymore. This is about my 826 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 3: son and my wife and my family. It is like 827 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 3: I can't quit because if you're a quitter. In my mind, 828 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 3: I'm thinking like if I quit, then I give permission 829 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 3: to my wife to quit, who then gives permission to 830 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 3: my son to quit. And you know, quitting is like 831 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 3: a chain reaction thing. And I didn't want to. 832 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: Be like the mold. 833 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 3: I was never going to quit, So I said to 834 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 3: mum board and I'll tell you, I've never experienced pain 835 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 3: like chemo therapy in my life. It like I found 836 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: the new found respect for my deceased wife in that 837 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 3: moment because I was like the amount of pain that 838 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 3: I that I that I had to endure during the 839 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 3: chemo treatment and was like no other pain that I've 840 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 3: ever tried to. 841 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: Try and explain that pain. What's different about it was so. 842 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's like you know what it was 843 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 3: like it was bone breaking, like bone crushing pain, you know. 844 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 3: I mean like it was the pain of not having 845 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 3: the energy to even stand up, you know, like I 846 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 3: couldn't even gather myself to make it to the restaurant 847 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 3: one time. Like excuse the listeners in that, Like I 848 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 3: was basically having accident to myself because I just couldn't 849 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 3: make it to the restaurant. I was in a really, 850 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 3: really bad way, and I got to the point where 851 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 3: I actually said to the doctors, I can't believe I 852 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 3: gave you permission to kill me. They're like, we're not 853 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 3: trying to kill you, but we're just trying to help 854 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 3: you get better. But this is what it takes to 855 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 3: get better. I was like, you're to kill all of 856 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 3: this in order for me to get better. Basically, it's 857 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 3: a reset of the body, you know. I mean, imagine 858 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 3: they turned every sort of power button your body off 859 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 3: and then they turn it back on again. You know. 860 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 3: That's what it was like. It was there was numerous 861 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 3: twenty three hour cycles of chemotherapy. 862 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 2: And what does it feel like to go from you know, 863 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: Billy the kid, the unstoppable, the invincible, you know, to 864 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 2: being the complete opposite of you having accident so you 865 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 2: can't get up? 866 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 3: Was there? Wow? 867 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: Talk about I don't want to say a fool from 868 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: Greg's it's not that, but talk about being on the 869 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: size of the spectrum it. 870 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 3: Just became like I started to understand that the importance 871 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: of time. 872 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 2: Did it affect you psychologically? 873 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: No, No at all. Honestly, I had this thing about 874 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 3: I can't quit, and I actually wrote it on the wall. 875 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 3: My brother rode on the wall of the hospital where 876 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,479 Speaker 3: I was because I was in that ward for six 877 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 3: months to get up, your son of a bitch, because 878 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 3: Laife loves you. And every time I felt like I 879 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 3: couldn't get up, I don't just think about my son 880 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 3: and be like, no, I can't do this to him. 881 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 3: He's going to go to school until his mates said 882 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 3: his dad passed away, Like my dad quit. I'm not 883 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 3: a quitter. If he's going to tell his friends that 884 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 3: his dad passed away and say, my dad went out 885 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: like a warrior. My dad did everything in his power 886 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 3: to fight to be here for me. 887 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 2: Did that become the new obsession? 888 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 3: That was the obsession. The obsession was walking him to school. 889 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: That was it. 890 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 3: That's all I cared about. I was like, you know what, 891 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 3: my son's not going to be that kid that goes 892 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 3: to school. That is dad not doing that. And like 893 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 3: three weeks ago, I got the chance to walk into 894 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,720 Speaker 3: school for the first time, and I really enjoyed that moment. 895 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 3: I walked slowly, I held his hands, that this is 896 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 3: the moment that I waited for for all those years. 897 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 3: You know that, I thought, So he doesn't. He does understand, 898 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 3: but he won't really understand until he's a lot about 899 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 3: what that meant to me to be able to say, 900 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 3: you know what, I walked into school. I beat that 901 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 3: cancer and I walked my man to school. 902 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 2: Did you take every single moment in. 903 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 3: Every single step, man? And it wasn't even just that 904 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 3: I wanted to show the world that everything that I'd 905 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 3: been talking about about never giving up and setting goals 906 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 3: and overcoming adversity, I wanted to show them that that 907 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 3: wasn't just fluff. That was real talk. And I'm a 908 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: real life example of that, you know. And even even 909 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 3: the fact that when I decided that I was going 910 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 3: to have a comeback fight, people like like, you're crazy, man. 911 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 3: You just come off having cancer. You're talking about having 912 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 3: to comeback for us, And listen, this is what dreams, 913 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 3: the dreams are made of, you know. I mean, you've 914 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 3: got to set goals, you got to have that vision. 915 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 2: You know. How hard was it to get back into 916 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 2: a training camp I'm believing into. 917 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 3: Man, I never listened. It was like, there was days 918 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 3: where I felt like, you gotta be real yourself married, 919 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 3: you know, when you're done. But you know what, then 920 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 3: there's a day where it just flips and everything gets 921 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 3: better and you're like, oh, I'm back. Oh my god, 922 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 3: look I'm letting it go. And you know, I start 923 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 3: feeling good about myself and I start turning up to 924 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 3: the gym every day and I'm running and I'm feeling 925 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 3: healthy and clean and fit. And you know, you know, 926 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 3: when you feel like that, you give off this energy, 927 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 3: and like when you give off that energy, everyone around 928 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 3: you starts feeling that sort of energy. They start being 929 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 3: positive and all of a sudden, you're back. And then 930 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 3: you know, I got to leave on my own terms, 931 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 3: man like, and not many people led to leave the 932 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 3: boxing Sporter boxing on their own terms. Boxing has a 933 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 3: thing of you either leave on your back, yeah, or 934 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 3: you retire on your own accord. 935 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 2: Leave on your back, or you leave on your belt. 936 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 3: That's it. And for me, I was like, there was 937 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 3: a chance that I could leave on my back, you know, 938 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 3: I mean, because it's coming off cancer. But obviously, being sensible, 939 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 3: we picked the right opponent, because I'm going to be 940 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 3: a realist. We did pick the right opponent, and even 941 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 3: though I showed him a lot of respect and he 942 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 3: still brought it, I was able to do, you know, 943 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 3: I was. I was in good enough shape to do 944 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 3: what I wanted to do nearly, you know what I mean. 945 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 3: But when you think about a lot of great fighters 946 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 3: who have left the sport of boxing on their back, 947 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 3: I can name ten of them, you know what I mean. 948 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 3: But to go out on my own terms as a winner, 949 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 3: to leave the sportter boxing on my own terms as 950 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 3: a champion, and to go on to get the award 951 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 3: of Ring Magazine come Back of the Year was just 952 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,760 Speaker 3: like the complete top off. It was like the flowers 953 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 3: that I always wanted from boxing. 954 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 2: I love that village, you know. But one thing that 955 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 2: really really stands out to me, and before we finish, 956 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 2: is the positive mindset. You have the power of positive thinking. 957 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 2: How important is that in life? And how do you 958 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 2: ascertain that mindset? 959 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 3: I think it's two for me to explain it to 960 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 3: other people. It's like it's one of the most important 961 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 3: tools to have in your life to be able to overcome, 962 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 3: you know, to be able to experience that, because we're 963 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 3: all going to experience, you know, the highs and the 964 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 3: loads of life. And when you're high, you know you're 965 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 3: in this amazing place. When you're in a local you know. 966 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 3: I mean, like there's a lot of people that are 967 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 3: going through darkness, but they just have to understand that 968 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 3: after the darkness, there is light. And I always understood that. 969 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 3: I always understood that, you know what, there's going to 970 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 3: be good times and there's going to be bad times. 971 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: Not everybody is going to have an amazing life. It's 972 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 3: not written that way, you know. I mean, we're all 973 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 3: going to experience certain things in our lives. And I've 974 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 3: experienced certain things and that's built the platform for me 975 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 3: to be where I am today, and that's to go 976 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 3: on and inspire people to achieve their own greatness. You know, 977 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 3: we all have that within us, and we're all going 978 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 3: to go through certain things. For you of that, if 979 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 3: you are born, you're going to go through a whole 980 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 3: bunch of stuff and then eventually you're going to reach 981 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 3: that point where you know, the lights turn out. But 982 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 3: it's about just that happy medium, you know what I mean, 983 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 3: and being an accepting person and just understand that you've 984 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 3: got to roll with the punches. That's life. 985 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 2: Love it, mate, I love you. You're full of positive energy. 986 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 2: I can feel the energy from across the room here. 987 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 2: And you know what, people are going to get so 988 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 2: much out of your book. Pick it up. It will 989 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 2: inspire you tenfold. Billy, thank you so much. 990 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 3: Thank you. 991 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 2: I guess today was Billy Dibb. If you'd like to 992 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 2: find out more about his books, head over to Billydibb 993 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 2: dot com. Thanks for listening to this episode. If you 994 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,280 Speaker 2: enjoyed it, please leave me a review. I'm at Middleton. 995 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 2: See you in the next episode.