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Speaker 1: Hi, my boris, And this is straight talk.

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Speaker 2: In your life. You can achieve anything you want to achieve.

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Speaker 1: Providing you ARTHLANDI welcome to straight talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Mark.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of wealth, a lot of assets. What

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Speaker 1: drives someone like Arthur warned you.

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Speaker 2: Mark, the money is not worth anything to me. I

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Speaker 2: very much enjoyed my work. I love mixing in hotels

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Speaker 2: as well as being an investor. I would say, firstly,

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Speaker 2: I am a publican.

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Speaker 1: What is it about the hotel community that it is

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Speaker 1: very attractive to you?

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Speaker 2: It was my upbringing. I was very influenced by my father.

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Speaker 2: He came out of the North and he was fifteen

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Speaker 2: years of age and he was the person who's put

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Speaker 2: the drive into our family. My dad was killed in

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Speaker 2: an aircraft acts.

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Speaker 1: I really yes, wow. And did you have to take

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Speaker 1: over things?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Immediately we eventually got there. But you was a scratch.

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Speaker 2: I was running the hotel, working five days, five nights,

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Speaker 2: that type of thing. To get us out of it.

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Speaker 1: Did you make a positive decision to accumulate assets?

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Speaker 2: Pretty well? Life you start, something was going to happen,

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Speaker 2: and I could avoid it by giving all my money away.

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Speaker 2: I'd give it away they all mean so much to me.

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Speaker 1: Mateth Londi, welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Mark, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's taken me actually to get you here. It was

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Speaker 1: a bit of a process. I know your grandson. Someone

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Speaker 1: came to me through your grandson some time ago, and

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Speaker 1: then I didn't do it. I said, yes, whoever it was,

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Speaker 1: I asked me, might have been been your grandson. I

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Speaker 1: don't rember. Someone reached out to me and I said yes,

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Speaker 1: and then nothing happened. And then I thought, hang on,

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Speaker 1: what have happened with LORNDI coming on the show, because

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Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of someone I talked about and

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Speaker 1: it's got nothing new with the Canary banks and bulldogs mate,

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Speaker 1: by the way you wanted and you're going good, but

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Speaker 1: we will talk about that. But then I thought, no, No,

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Speaker 1: what I do was a reach out to Craig, and

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Speaker 1: which I did because I was hoping Craig number that

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Speaker 1: to be. And from there that's how we organize it.

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Speaker 1: So this is a collaboration. You were sitting there as

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Speaker 1: a collaboration between your one of your sons and I

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Speaker 1: guess one of your grandsons. How many how many grandsons

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Speaker 2: You got thirteen? Four? I've got four breeding children.

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Speaker 1: Four b so you got I know, you got two sons.

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Speaker 2: What else Greig Stuart, then Danniel and.

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Speaker 1: Justine Justin So you got two boys and two girls

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Speaker 1: I have And who's the oldest, great great Craig. So Craig,

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Speaker 1: as we know, well most people would know, was was

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Speaker 1: amongst other things. I think is that I think other

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Speaker 1: some time some years ago. Stuart is he working in

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Speaker 2: If you knew Stuart, you know, I know Stuart.

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Speaker 1: Which has been poor, I'd ask you the question about

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Speaker 2: The two girls were in the business.

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Speaker 1: So we're in the business two yes, and their husbands

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Speaker 1: and their husbands. So it's very much a family business.

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Speaker 1: So to spend four grandchildren work in the business as well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Eighty three? You look remarkable for ady three, like you're

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Speaker 1: getting You're getting around, no dramas. I tend to I

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Speaker 1: feel at eighty three? And I maybe this word is

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Speaker 1: it feel as in terms of achievement for yourself? Well, firstly,

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Speaker 2: I work every day. I play golf on a Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: But I love it, and I how does it feel?

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Speaker 1: But is it the ultimate goal? I mean, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: and there's all sorts of you know, musings about what

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Speaker 1: it becomes marginal. In addition, to whatever is just marginal.

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Speaker 1: I can maybe make another million bucks a years, probably

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Speaker 1: this is driving a legacy for the Laundy family and

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Speaker 2: The money is not worth anything to me. I don't

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Speaker 2: worry about money at all. It's nice to be able

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Speaker 2: to say that you have it when you have it,

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Speaker 2: but no, no, I enjoy very very much achieving, and

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Speaker 2: I guess my aim is just to keep going till

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Speaker 2: I've often said I'll come into my office one day

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Speaker 2: you know. I very much enjoy my work. I love

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Speaker 2: forty years still call in to see me and things

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm just I'm a publican. I guess probably

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Speaker 2: an old style publican because I'm as well as being

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Speaker 2: an investor. Would I would pay? Firstly, I am a publican.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean the public?

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Speaker 2: Well, I do my best to achieve in a hotel

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Speaker 2: by things like I want good service. Still at my age,

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Speaker 2: I want good service, I want good beer lines, I

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Speaker 2: want good beer. I've recently we built a brewery five

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Speaker 2: know it's all about getting my beer out there to

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Speaker 1: Our own brand.

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Speaker 2: We've got our own brand. What's called It's called Marsden

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Speaker 2: there was at Marsden Park and the brewery is at

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Speaker 2: time friend of mine from the original two years limited,

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Speaker 2: Darren McGraw. We're doing beers at the present time for

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Speaker 1: I mean like as in white label beer, so you're

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Speaker 2: little football clubs. I'm involved in it and Blocker is

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Speaker 2: Goody. I've known for some time and he I think

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Speaker 2: it probably came through Block of Rage, but he approached

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Speaker 1: So what what's god his beer called?

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Speaker 2: He's just called the wild Ball, the wild.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to block and tackle, but being a gendic

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Speaker 1: Grapple, Block and grapple.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: So you are effectively manufacturing for these individuals, but you're

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Speaker 1: You've built a beer business that can produce lots of brands, yes,

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Speaker 2: We're still very involved Mark with both breweries. I've always

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't always win, but I try hard

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Speaker 2: to win. I tried to give them good food, good liquor.

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Speaker 1: I mixed with them and still get on floor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I'm still I'll pick up glasses and

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Speaker 2: is my life. This is my life. I enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting, you know. I've just when you were

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Speaker 1: West Suburbs and nowaday it was now called Southwest.

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Speaker 2: I called myself in West every day mate.

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Speaker 1: And I used to get called to West when I

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Speaker 1: used to go down to Cronola Beach. I remember used to

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what a hotel was in that day. Yeah, correct,

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Speaker 2: I speak of it often.

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Speaker 2: I was born in punch Bowl. I lived in a

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Speaker 1: I was near river I was a ben A park.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well I'm down the down the end of

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Speaker 2: I lived in number fifty four Coleridge Street, Herne Bay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So and Belmore Road as where all the

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Speaker 1: just across there was a paddock there but Bellmore Bennett

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Speaker 2: My father was he was an orphan in an orphanage

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Speaker 2: and it was land bequeathed to Sir Robert Burns who

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Speaker 2: all the King's girl gown gray and all that. But

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Speaker 2: part of it was an orphanage called Burnside Homes, and

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Speaker 2: I can remember till the day, pretty well the day

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Speaker 2: a place called Hoffnung's in Clarence Street and it was

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Speaker 2: It's a wholesale place. And my father always drove those

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Speaker 1: What sort of impact does that have on a young

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Speaker 2: I was very influenced by my father so perhaps the

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Speaker 2: And he came out of the North and he's fifteen

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Speaker 2: years of age on his wedding certificate. It had occupation.

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Speaker 2: He was a lyft driver, and he was a lyft

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Speaker 2: did you really well?

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Speaker 1: I bought Barry Humphrey's place okay as well and joined up.

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Speaker 1: I lived there for years, yeah, okay, and I sold

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Speaker 2: There for here, and there was annections, haven't we totally?

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Speaker 2: my mother's father died when she was ten years of age,

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Speaker 2: And then they were both played a lot of tennis

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Speaker 2: and my dad built our house physically, physically, with mates

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Speaker 2: he used to say to me, I've worked in every

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Speaker 1: Doing what.

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Speaker 2: He was a handyman. He just he would come home

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Speaker 2: with an afternoon from working at Asta Flats, and on

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Speaker 2: He had no back seat or anything like that, and

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Speaker 2: he'd be driving along. If there were Venetian blinds on

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Speaker 2: He'd take them home and he'd pull them apart. In

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Speaker 2: He used to do their electrical work. He was never electrician.

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Speaker 2: He worked it out a couple of burns, he said,

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Speaker 2: He was just and he was the person who's put

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Speaker 2: Herne Bay. And that house at Herne Bay, I still

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Speaker 2: like our current ice chests that you'll take your beer

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Speaker 2: Then we were there. But my father, I remember, borrowed

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Speaker 2: it was about six six thousand pounds, which is a

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Speaker 2: and went to Saint Patrick Strathfield and I was there

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Speaker 2: I used to call in see Vic Patrick. I'm very

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Speaker 2: went to university pretty pretty ordinarily for a couple of

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Speaker 2: So I got kicked out of there and I went

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Speaker 1: And what is it about those days, back in those days,

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Speaker 1: Was it that was very attractive to you? Was it like,

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Speaker 1: did you take that as a sense of this is

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Speaker 2: It was my upbringing. I really enjoyed. I enjoyed One

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Speaker 2: of the reasons they sent me to Bournish schools because

435
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: at the Kember Hotel they had this little tiny billion

436
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 2: table in the back of the bar there, and I'd

437
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: spend so much time playing billions with customers and winning

438
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: a shilling and things like this, and father started to

439
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: get a bit worried, where's this play going? So they

440
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: put me in a Bournish That was the punishment.

441
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: They stayed, by the way, it was the punish because

442
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: I got threatened to get Santa O kill Well every

443
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: time I got in trouble at school, You're going to

444
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: kill And I say I want to do is go

445
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: to boys school. So I always pulled my head in

446
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: but by most people don't realize. But that was the

447
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: punishment by parents. It was you're going to use that

448
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: way totally, you're going to boarding school. Yeah, these days

449
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: it's a privilege yea to go too.

450
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 2: Exactly.

451
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: It was a punishment. So but but the because you know,

452
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: my I don't think I don't know if it exists

453
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: today because I don't really get a pub as much anymore.

454
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: But well, I do go to one of the pubs

455
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: that you own, the what's the hotel?

456
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's nice.

457
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take you everywhere, but but it's

458
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: a different vibe. Although the front bar, the bar of

459
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: the front which is still has a little bit of

460
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: the sort of local school. Yeah, it's a bit like that.

461
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: But pubs generally speaking don't have the same vibe that

462
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: I remember them going back a long long time. Everybody

463
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: knew each other. You knew if you went in the

464
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: pub on a thursdaynight, who you're going to meet. You

465
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: meet someone different on a Friday night, exactly, you'd meet

466
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: someone different on the footy nights, which was in those

467
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: days of weekend nights. On the weekend, you'd beg on

468
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: the Monday, but no one then if you were there

469
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: you worry because you might look like a bit of

470
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: a desperate poker. Machines weren't they weren't a thing.

471
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: There was more. It was beer. It was straight out

472
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: and mates mates. And then later on, of course, clubs

473
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: come into resistance. In nineteen fifty six, the year of

474
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: the Olympic Games.

475
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: And when clubs started fifty six.

476
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: I think it was fifty six if you five, But

477
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: it was around that period, that period they clubs came in,

478
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: and of course they they they made a big, a

479
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: big bang in the effected hotels, et cetera. And then

480
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: so nineteen sixty four my father bought No. Nineteen sixty two,

481
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: my father bought nine acres of ground at bass Hill

482
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: and that was our first freehold. He I've still got

483
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: the nine acres of ground, still got the hotel. My

484
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: office is still there. And he built a terrific hotel,

485
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: a lovely hotel called the Twin Willows at bass Kill.

486
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: Says someone near the driving theater right beside, right.

487
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: Next door, which is now which is now a shopping center.

488
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: Serious, I don't know the shop. I love that driving

489
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: that driving theater. Drive in theater.

490
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: It's fabulous, wasn't it?

491
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: I still loving, you know, like I used to sit

492
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: the back with my sister and my brother, and mom

493
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: and dad sitting in the front of the come of

494
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: those days, seats a bench, and we had a little

495
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: speaker on the company's hang on the window, and there

496
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: was a there was a place to other by food

497
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: basically fish and chips and nothing better. Mum and Dad

498
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: would put the chips out on the front seat and

499
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: we'd all get a hot chip and they'd wrap a

500
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: bit of paper around it. Give me a hot chip.

501
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: I was pretty out. But how good was that? I

502
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: didn't realize that.

503
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: So you're right now to the driving it's now a

504
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: shopping plaza, a big plaza, bashill plaza. But that was

505
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: a shopping center that was sorry, that was the best.

506
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: And used to own it.

507
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: I saw owned the land next door where the hotel

508
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: is built. I still own that.

509
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: And do the hotel and the hotel and the hotel

510
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: you guys run the hotel.

511
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, And so I was there when but

512
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: in sixty two I turned twenty one and at the

513
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: time we were, Dad was building the hotel there and

514
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: cash was pretty tarp. We were struggling, was struggling he's

515
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: getting there. But the lease of the Crossroads Hotel at

516
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: Liverpool came up, so he threw me into the Crossroads

517
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: at Liverpool. He took bought the lease of it, and

518
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: I was at the cross Rails at Liverpool, Liverpool two

519
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: days after I turned twenty one, and it was tough

520
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: towns in those days. Conscript had come in and all

521
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: this sort of thing for and the soldiers were in

522
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: the would be soldiers were in Ingleburn Camp and Holsworthy

523
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: Camp and we were close close to Ingleburn, but pretty

524
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: well in the center. Liverpool was a tough town in

525
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: those days. It was country in those days. I'm talking

526
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: sixty two, but then sixty four he opened the Twin

527
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: Willows Hotel and I still had that Crossrais till sixty five.

528
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: Twenty one's pretty young to be running a pub.

529
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: It was very young. It was young. I used to

530
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: have times when I thought my mum and dad hate

531
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: me out here. This is They were rough. It was

532
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: a lot of blues, a lot of arguments and all

533
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And Dad was a tough blake,

534
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little.

535
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: It was a similar sort of statue to you know,

536
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: you're a pretty much guy.

537
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: No, I no, he was more like about five ten

538
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: five eleven, right. But he came out to the hotel

539
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: one day, and this is how meticulous he was. He's

540
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: looking in the petty cash thing and he said, what

541
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: the hell are you doing with milk? I said, with milk?

542
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, all this money he's spending on milk.

543
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, oh, that comes from Jeff Kenny.

544
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Jeff Kenny had the spear parts for tractors and everything

545
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: right opposite. I said, he drinks scotch and milk. He said, sure,

546
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: you're not, but having too many corn flakes. I said, no, no, no,

547
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: he drinks scotch and milk, and he drinks a whole

548
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: lot of it. Jeff Kenny was a very large fellow.

549
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: And you sposed he was about five foot two, and

550
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: you supposed that he could take his belt off and

551
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: put at the top of his head to touch his tape.

552
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: He's built one of those fellows, and he did. He

553
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: drank scotch and milk every day. My father said, you

554
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: need a cow out here. And the place had fifty

555
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: six acres of ground. It's now the great big old

556
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: everyone's there. Now it's a great wrony, but it was

557
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Peter Warrens.

558
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Is the other side of the other side, But he was.

559
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: He used to say.

560
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: The reason he bought one of the reasons he bought

561
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: the hotel Tooth and Company in Broadway. We're talking about

562
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: decentralizing and building a big hotel a big brewery out there,

563
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: and he thought that'd be a great day get the

564
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: pub near it. But never ever happened. However, the hotel

565
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: nothing like it is now. It's a beautiful hotel now.

566
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I had little arches out the front and it was

567
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: a tiny, not a big hotel. But he said, he said,

568
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous? Is milk? When you wouldn't believe it?

569
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: About a week later, the bay came in the bar.

570
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: Can I see Arthur Wrney please? I said, that's me.

571
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: He said, I've got your cow here. I said you

572
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: got what? And straight away I knew what my father

573
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: had done. So I've wrung my father. I said, you

574
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: send the buddy cow out of here.

575
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: What am I going to do with that? Milk it?

576
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: He said, milk it, he said, And I said, don't

577
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: you have to do other things to milk you? He said, no,

578
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: you don't, So there's fifty here's one cow with fifty

579
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: six acre, and so you can imagine he was presenting

580
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: plenty of milk. But you should have seen me trying

581
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: to learn I had the back feet in the buckets

582
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: and that it was a joke. But we've eventually got there.

583
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: But I had a little old blake around the place

584
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: because it was very farm area. All our past Lippingen

585
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: and all that were all great big properties farms, and

586
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: he anyway, so that was the milk that Jeff Kinney

587
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: had to have then for the rest of his life,

588
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: with the with the scotches.

589
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question. I remember, and I

590
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: don't know how I remember this, but I remember when

591
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: I was a younger man, in my earlier professional days,

592
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: say my twenties, that one of the big things I

593
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: don't know if it's an issue now, but one of

594
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: the big things in those days when there's a lot

595
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: of cash around for the publican well for the person

596
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: managing the joint, was getting robbed by staff. Yes, like

597
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: the the amount of stuff that got stolen or free

598
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: drinks over the bar. And then they had all these

599
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: sophisticated systems staff they put maybe one match here that

600
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: means that's one free drink I gave. That's like end.

601
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: I've got to collect that out of the till before

602
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: I close off, is it? Am?

603
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: I right? Absolutely right?

604
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: It was a big deal.

605
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: You'd come in, you'd find a thrippens in the shilling

606
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: enclosure of the cash register. It had all the little

607
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: things that two shillings one shilling sixpence little container, pennies

608
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: in each container. And you know, one of my first

609
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: things out I found was the number of stripances in

610
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: the shilling.

611
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Thrivens was three pennies pinish in those days.

612
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: Sixty seven year it was if there were ten three

613
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: three thripances in there, they know they could take ten

614
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: ten shilling notes out. Yeah, this sort of thing, you

615
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: know exactly what you were saying with matches.

616
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I heard of one with matches. But then

617
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: what you used to have to do with stock takes

618
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: to make sure you have to measure your stock takes

619
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: off against the takings the money and drill. And but

620
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: the people who were experts of this so were the

621
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: people who would get jobs in pubs and just keep

622
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: moving around, and they'd educate the other staff too over time,

623
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: get who they can trust me, they can't trust and

624
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: they made a business of this absolutely. So as a

625
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: twenty one year old, did your dad ever say to

626
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: you what was your dad's first name? Also did Arthur

627
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Sen to say to the junior he listen, mate, this

628
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: is how we get knocked off and keep your eyes open.

629
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: And because that's one of the reason you've got to

630
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: be on the floor.

631
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: Was probably the first thing in those days. It was

632
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: case we would work completely off percentages. You couldn't work

633
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: off dollars. You wouldn't know how many you were down

634
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: or you're up, but it to be total percentages and

635
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: on the cost of goods and the sales. Yeah, and

636
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: you know, like if it came in a couple of

637
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: percent down depending on what you were turning over, that

638
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: could be a fee bit of money. So yeah, you

639
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: had to learn that rapidly, Mark rapidly.

640
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's sort of like I don't want a

641
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: bit of a sort of an old school. It's a

642
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: bit overused, but this being educated in the school hard knocks,

643
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: correct is I mean you're at Liverpool, which I remember

644
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: growing up. I'm twenties younger than a little less than

645
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: twenties younger than, but like I do remember that Liverpool

646
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: is a tough area. In fact, Basil was sort of

647
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: pretty tough, but Liverpool is even tougher. So not only

648
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: you sort of getting exposed to probably those sorts of patrons,

649
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: but what are you getting exposed to in those days

650
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: is no sophistical electronics like we have to know it too,

651
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's all about your eye and about your instinct,

652
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: and you've got to have a really strong instinct in

653
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: those days. Do you think that skill is lost today?

654
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: Not for you, but probably not as essential today to

655
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: have that skill that you're speaking of, because the whole

656
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: thing is computerized. Yeah, you know, if a person serves

657
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: the beer now they can still serve a beer and

658
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: give it away and not bring it up, Well, then

659
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: we know nothing about that that doesn't go through the computer.

660
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: But the whole thing now is computerized. Cash reages as

661
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: are married to computers, and it certainly makes it a

662
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: lot simpler now to work out whether we've got a problem,

663
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: how big the problem is. If we do have the problem,

664
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot.

665
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: It's also slightly different it comes to tax time too,

666
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: because everything's measured, everything's recorded. So yeah, good response response,

667
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: especially when we got your son politician.

668
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: That's correct, that's correct.

669
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: But not not that I ever ever condone anything like that.

670
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: So moving forward, when was your first pub that you bought?

671
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: That was after my dad died. My dad was killed

672
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: in an aircraft actually really yeah, we all flew with

673
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: we have an aeroplane and he bought it. It was

674
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: it was that feels very close to Banks down the

675
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: airport and it was based down there, and my sister

676
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: flew it. I flew it.

677
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: But why did everyone have a plane?

678
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: Just loved aeroplanes, right, had once with a mate of his,

679
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: built an aeroplane, flew the aeroplane. That's it was scary

680
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: when I held it was before my time, so I did,

681
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: you know. But he flew the aeroplane, called it Bonnie

682
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: after my mum, and landed it and everything else got

683
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: it and then they tried to get it registered and

684
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: the blake came down and put the undercarriage straight through

685
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: the plane. You know, this is sounded fairly flimsy, but

686
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: he did. I've still got old photographs of him building

687
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: this plane and the finished product.

688
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: But he just loved flying.

689
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: He loved it and joined the Air Force during the war,

690
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: never saw any action at all, got rheumatic fever and

691
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: spent most of his time in a hospital in Waga,

692
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: then transferred to Melbourne. My mother went to Melbourne, left

693
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: me with my grandmother and this type of thing. So

694
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: he just loved aeroplanes. But he'd been out to where

695
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: he had a lease of a hotel at Wellington out

696
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: near and he'd been out there this particular day. Took

697
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: three ladies from Hill who had been working with us,

698
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: took through them out there for a joy ride. He

699
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: had to go out and do a few things at

700
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: his hotel out there. On the way back, went down

701
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: to show them the dam. This is nine to sixty nine.

702
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Went down to show them the dam, and it would

703
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: appear it was a very still day. Got confused with

704
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: these heights and went straight in the water. Four of

705
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: them dead, and he was thrown from plane straight away,

706
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: and so was one of the ladies. And then the

707
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: other two were not found for thirteen years. They were

708
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: they couldn't find the plane. It was such a big dam,

709
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: a couple of a couple of times larger than Sydney Harbor.

710
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: And so I was able season at the time, so

711
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: I had to get home straight away. That was in

712
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: nine or sixty nine.

713
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so did you have to take over things?

714
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, immediately I had to. I had a little hotel

715
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: that by that time. My second hotel was the Royal

716
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Exhibition in Surrey Hills down corner Charmers and Davidshire Street,

717
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: and so I was in there. But then the Twinlows

718
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: was going very very well by that time, so I

719
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: had to come home and we render both hotels for

720
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: a while. My sister was in putting the one in

721
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: town for a little while, and I was trying to

722
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: run the both hotels. But eventually in seventy one I

723
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: sold the Royal Exhibition because we had in those days

724
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: death duties. I remember, you remember those death duties. And

725
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: it cost me one hundred and seventy and sixty nine,

726
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: so it was one hundred and seventy thousand dollars in

727
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: state death duties and one hundred and seventy thousand in federals.

728
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: You don't have a cash, have to sell something, and that.

729
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Was exactly how so I got out of the Royal

730
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: Exhibition at Surrey Hills and we eventually got there, but

731
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: you was a scratch it. I was running the Hotel

732
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: of Basil, working five days, five nights, that type of

733
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: thing to get us out of it because it was

734
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: tough and the pub was only five years old, was

735
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: built in ninet sixty four, so you know, having having

736
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 2: spent the money amount of money he did because he

737
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: had the land to buy first and having spent that,

738
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: it was a fear dig. We still had the bank

739
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: a lot of money and all this, But that's how

740
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: it happened. That's that's that was the start of it.

741
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: But the Twin Willows. We have a lot of hotels now,

742
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: but the Twin Willows was our stepping stone. It was

743
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: the diving board. From there on in we just went

744
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: ahead and a head even though that was only there

745
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: five years. He was a very good public and I

746
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: tried to model my life on on on his, just

747
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: as I know my boys have, particularly you know, Craig

748
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: has tried to do something because that I've taught him

749
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: the way I was taught. And so that's that. From

750
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: there on in, we just started buying hotels and buying

751
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: I was buying leasehold hotels early. But and then capital

752
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: gain there were no cable gains tax yep, no capital

753
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: first taxes. Yes, so we you know, you'd get in

754
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: work a hotel as well as bass Hill, which was

755
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: always the pace. First one I bought was the Melton

756
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: at Auburn and got in there, paid one hundred and

757
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: ten thousand for it for a three year lease, sold

758
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: it one year later for two hundred and twelve, so

759
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: I made one hundred thousand dollars nay money. Then I

760
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: made thirty five thousand in profit, paid thirty percent thirty

761
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: five percent tax on the thirty thousand, and cattle gain

762
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: on the that was free on the one hundred. So

763
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: it didn't take you long to realize this is the

764
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: way to jump. But that stopped, as you say in

765
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: what was a fine.

766
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: First of July nine eighty five. That's I remember it

767
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: well because I had a tax bill on first of

768
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: July nine eighty six. I made a profit, I remember,

769
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 1: and I didn't like you. I didn't have the money,

770
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: and I had to sell something to pay for it,

771
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: and I will never ever forget it. If I could

772
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: just go back a step a little bit here, your

773
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: decision two buy real estate the hotel real estate as

774
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: opposed to just the hotel, was that ever influenced by

775
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: more an accumulation phase in your life as opposed to

776
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: say just buying the lease. So did you sort of

777
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: at some stage in your business career think, you know what,

778
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm operating on an assumption here that you could afford it.

779
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: But I'm not just going to buy leaseholes and run

780
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: the pub and make the cash flow out of it

781
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: three at least five at least what it is. I'm

782
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: actually going to go and buy the real estate and

783
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: start to land bank because you know, like a lot

784
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: of wealthy people in Australia, they a lot of made

785
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: the money out of real estate because like I can

786
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: think of the car business. So they have a car franchise,

787
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're the franchise for whatever it is, but

788
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: they are buying the real estate on a corner in

789
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: paramatter or something like that, and the money they make,

790
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: they make good money on the way through and out

791
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: of the car business, but they make their real money

792
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: out of the real estate property.

793
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: YEP.

794
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Probably play at any stage in your publican career, let's

795
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: call it, did you make a positive decision to accumulate assets.

796
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: Pretty well right from the start. Pretty well from the

797
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: start those days, ninety seven percent of the hotels were

798
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: owned by either Tooth and Company, or two weeks.

799
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Right, which meant you had to use their beer.

800
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: You had to use their beer right, and you could.

801
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: And if you were in one of their hotels up

802
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Untle about eighty one or two, you could only serve

803
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: their beer. Okay, we were fortunate. At bass Hill. My

804
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: father had bought the license of a little old hotel

805
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: I can't think of the name now in Sussex Street

806
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: and it was a free house, which meant he had

807
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: a license, but he could sell any beer he liked.

808
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Not most license arowned by the breweries, either tooths or

809
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: two is, and you had to sell these. So out

810
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: there we had tooth spear to his beer like it

811
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: is today, but back in those days it was not

812
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: the case.

813
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: So they were tired.

814
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: They were tired. Tired is the exact word. They were

815
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: tied to the brewery either two is or tooths.

816
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: A little bit like petrol stations today, like exact the

817
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: same setup. And and liquor stores, yes, yeah, not so much.

818
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Liquor stores. Liquor stores. Liquor stores are pretty well free.

819
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: They can sell you're right with our own by the

820
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: woolies and the yah, but they don't released the man.

821
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: The brewery given that Tooths and to is to his

822
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: a particular. It is a particularly famous name, more relevant

823
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: today because people still by th old to his. You know,

824
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: like a or two campaigns were on television.

825
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: Tooths Steve Rixon.

826
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: I do remember Steve Rixon and Tooths was a big name.

827
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: But I mean I remember the tooth KB. It was

828
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: a tooth KB yeah, cold Gold company as a gold

829
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: can and it was actually like had a little bit

830
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: of an unusual feel to it, wrinkles really yeah, correct,

831
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: and it was sort of a revolutionary when that first

832
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: came out. And whatever happened to the tooths of the world,

833
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, does that still exists? No?

834
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: No, Tooth and Company, what a great brand. It was

835
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: originally taken over. I think the original takeover for Tooth

836
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: and Company was John Spelvin.

837
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: You remember that night I married his one of his family,

838
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: did you really?

839
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

840
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I think he met her through him. He

841
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: was a client of mine at the time.

842
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty he's from Adelaide.

843
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Adelaid, Yeah, Adelaide steamship. He was ad steam Yeah.

844
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

845
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Well he and David Jones and at one stage were

846
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: worse thany one stage had fifteen percent of NAB Yeah, right, right,

847
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: here's a BIGG employer still alive. He doesn't spend much

848
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: time here, spends most of his time over over in

849
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: in the US.

850
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: Well, I think he was the original buyer of Tooth

851
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: and Company. I may be wrong, but I think it

852
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: was him. And but what happened?

853
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: Did you let it go with something like you just

854
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: don't know?

855
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: But I know then.

856
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: It was a great brand.

857
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: It was a great brand. It was by far the

858
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: biggest brewery by far.

859
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: It was in the camperdown or along the paramounta road

860
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: there or somewhere, don know, it's a Broadway Broadway, that's right, Yeah, yeah,

861
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: I remember seeing them.

862
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Number twenty six Broadway is good. Yeah. And then and

863
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: by that time they had bought Rush's Brewery, my favorite.

864
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: The beer we drink around here. Yep, that was the campaign,

865
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: that's right. And Rush's Brewery was on Downing Street. Yep.

866
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: Now these gardens and all that, but it was out

867
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: there still. The entry is still there.

868
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: But you can still buy Rush's. You're still buy you

869
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: can't buy Tooths. No, I haven't seen it anywhere on

870
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: right off, there's no like a beer historian. By the

871
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm sort of getting off track. I'm here to talk

872
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: about you. Well, I'm just because I'm so so fascinated

873
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: by the history of beer, etcetera and Australia. I apologize,

874
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: I've got to get back to Arthur all right, Sorry

875
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: about that, mate.

876
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: That's so the lord.

877
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: He started building up an empire like you build an empire.

878
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: I wonder about people like you, like yourself, And I

879
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: sort of said this right the very beginning, Why do

880
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: you do it continue at eighty three? I mean, it's

881
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: not as if you don't have enough assets as long

882
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: as if you don't have enough pubs to could be busy.

883
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you can still live the publican life with

884
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: what you've got, even probably half of what ago. You

885
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: still lived the publican life you wanted to. I think

886
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: of my mate Tommy Mooney.

887
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: I remember Tommy money and.

888
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Tommy like he's my age and Tommy, of course you.

889
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: Know Tommy you're talking about the football.

890
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Football played for Canbury and he owned a number of pubs,

891
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: loved being a publican. The Bangalo Hotel. You'd see Tommy

892
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: there working in the joint like good public, good public,

893
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: very successful, but of course it is unwell, yes, and

894
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: sold everything he also had his own beer brand, that

895
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: bron b beer brand that he had sold that made

896
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money, a lot of money, but doesn't

897
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: really have much. It doesn't hasn't helped his life in

898
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: a physical sense.

899
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: But that could have happened anywhere.

900
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about that though? Do you ever

901
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: think should I just stop and maybe we're going?

902
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, so endure what I'm doing?

903
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So that's the point, is that the reason

904
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: you keep it accumulating exactly the reason you.

905
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: Know, I've got mates of mine or retired and all

906
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: that type of thing. But I enjoy doing what I do.

907
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 2: I enjoy watching the success of my grandson Charlie, who's

908
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: doing a marvelous job at the Locker Room, which is

909
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: a hotel we built right next door to the Accor Stadium.

910
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: And I enjoy mcgreen kids coming through. I was talking

911
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: to you know, Molly, my one of my grandchildren, works

912
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: in three different hotels I mentioned earlier. I was speaking

913
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: to her on the weekend and she they're doing a

914
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: book on me now. They're writing a book and we

915
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: were talking about this because the author happened to be

916
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: a buddy I was with in Rome when my father

917
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: was killed. We played rugby down at Eastern Sundays together.

918
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: Were great mates, and he's done a few books.

919
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: I always knew you were a Rooster fan. I knew

920
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: it you play the Beasties.

921
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: Was the Easty Beasties.

922
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your sponsive in some stations,

923
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: but please please continue.

924
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: They were, and I speaking to Molly, and I said

925
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: to her, Now, look, if we do go on that Sunday,

926
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: I'd like all the grandchildren be there. I want them

927
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: all to throw in about par what the story is.

928
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: I can tell them about the basics of my family,

929
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: of which I'm very proud. We would be nowhere, and

930
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: I'd tell the kids all the time we would not

931
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: be off the ground, or unlikely to be off the ground,

932
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: had it not been for the very hard work my

933
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: mother and father did, said I always, I get back

934
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: to rugby league, and I say that the analogy I

935
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: would use is my mom and dad were on the

936
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: inside and they threw me a ball on the wing,

937
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: and then I've just kept running, and it's as simple

938
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: as that. But I couldn't have run unless that ball

939
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: was thrown to me. And I used that analogy a lot.

940
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: But they also knew the runner to finish off.

941
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and I had to run. And that's been our life.

942
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: But the kids all know that, the grandkids all know that.

943
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: I don't believe there's one of my children or my

944
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: grandchildren who colloquial terms, is up themselves. I do not believe.

945
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: I believed their feet are on the ground. And you know,

946
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: I remember when I went to I went to born

947
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: a girl of Joey's. I said, Dad, I don't want

948
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: to be I want to be some pats. They're all

949
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: they're toughs, they're all over here, They're I don't want

950
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: to be with them. It didn't take me long to

951
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: realize they weren't at all. But he'd say. My father

952
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: used to say, you are no better, that they are

953
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: no better than you, and you are no better than them.

954
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: He said, we all breathe the same ear. No, yeah,

955
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 2: you're no better.

956
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: And you know I grew up with the Irish mother

957
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: like that exactly, and it was just that sort of thing.

958
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: So it was.

959
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: That has been the life, and I just feel the

960
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: grandkids and I just I love the beauty of it.

961
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: Mark Is. I love my grandkids like nothing on earth.

962
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: I've got thirteen of them. But the wonderful thing is

963
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: I know they love me the same way.

964
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: Wow.

965
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: We are a butt family family and that's just you know,

966
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: how I want it to be, and I'm very very

967
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: grateful that it is. Can I.

968
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm here trying to work out for my own future.

969
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: What drives people and vitality, which you have a lot of,

970
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: particularly for an eighty three year old. Vitality is a

971
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: really important thing. And vitality to me is the stuff

972
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: that gets me up in the morning. And it's I'm

973
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: going only talk for myself and I'm gonna ask you

974
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: what it means to you. But why do we get

975
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: up in the morning? What are the things I've got

976
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: for three grandkids? You know? What do I get up for?

977
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: I get up for because I like to see the

978
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: look on my face and my staff. I like to

979
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, you'll got the show. I get to meet

980
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: interested in people like yourself. That keeps me vital like energized.

981
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: You know, I look at my diary in the morning,

982
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: I see who I'm going to talk to you today,

983
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: and I go, Wow, that's cool. I'm getting to see

984
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: someone I wouldn't ordinarily ever get to meet and talk

985
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: to them. Find about what keeps them going in terms

986
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: of what you do in the empire you built. Is

987
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: it's not so much about is it fair to say

988
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: it's not so much about the empire, But it's more

989
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: about the vitality that the people in your life that

990
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: matter to you, most grandkids and kids, family, You get

991
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: a sense of vitality from them because you're doing all

992
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: this stuff for them. Is that what drives you? Is

993
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: that what keeps you energized and not want to go

994
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: and retire and hang out with your mates down at

995
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: the local RSL whatever it is?

996
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. It is very much an energizer.

997
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: I love watching the way they're going. I love they

998
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: love talking to me and asking me. They love to

999
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: know about our history. But yes, it energizes me just

1000
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: but nowadays, at my stage of life, it's become mechanical.

1001
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: I just keep going. If something comes up for sale,

1002
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: if I like it, we're looking at another hotel right

1003
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: at the minute, and and we'll just go through it.

1004
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: We discuss it, the family will discuss I'll put forward

1005
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: to it. But you know, the ultimate decision at this

1006
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: point is still might However, they're all everyone's involved, So.

1007
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: When when your kids were growing up. And let's say,

1008
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: if I could just pick on Craig for a moment

1009
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: and he decided that he want to go into politics.

1010
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: What was that like for you as a father? I mean,

1011
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: what did you say to him? Or did he say

1012
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: to you?

1013
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: More importantly, he came, he came, We spoke about it,

1014
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: and I was disappointed. And I was once misquoted in there.

1015
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: I said to him the question, Yeah, I said, why

1016
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: do you? Why would you? Why would you want to

1017
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: do it? Mate? You've got this, You've got where you are,

1018
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: We've got this. But I never stood in his way.

1019
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: I said, mate, I will never ever stand away. I

1020
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: will encourage you as much as I can. And I

1021
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: remember a news of the newspapers calling me one day

1022
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: and just saying to me, what you're at at you

1023
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: de Craige going into politics? And I said, I'm disappointed. Actually,

1024
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 2: I said, I'd rather stay in our family business. I said, however,

1025
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: if somebody was to say to me in ten years time,

1026
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: Craig Laundy, your name's LAUNDI is Craig Lornde. Your son

1027
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: is the prime minister? Is he your son? I said,

1028
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised. I would not be surprised.

1029
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: I know what the guy is capable of. I'd preferring

1030
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: to be here. Politics has never been something that I

1031
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: would aspire to. I said, however, he wishes to, and

1032
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: I wish him all the best.

1033
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: And he came back to the family business. So he

1034
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: came back just before I can't remember it, just.

1035
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: In a fashion he doesn't do too much.

1036
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: That's when he told me.

1037
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: No, no, pleasing to have him back.

1038
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: We're sitting over there proudly wearing which I don't know.

1039
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why, I really letting inhabit. He's wearing

1040
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: a bulldog's pieover or a wincheater with Lornde Hotels written

1041
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: on it. Can we just talk about that for a second, Darley,

1042
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: everybody knows that Laundey Hotels are. Everyone knows that Lawnde

1043
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: is and Lawndy Hotels is not really a brand so

1044
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: much because you promote each individual hotel. I guess within

1045
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: your own advertising marketing environments. Why did Lornde you Why

1046
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: did the Lornde family decide to sponsor the bulldogs?

1047
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: That's a very very interesting question. I have been a

1048
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 2: Tigers fan all of my life, all of my life,

1049
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: till about four years ago. I think this is our

1050
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: fourth year. Now I think it's a fourth year anyway.

1051
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: But when I was a kid in the Sackville Hotel

1052
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: at Rosel in.

1053
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: The forties, bal Main Territory, val Maine, I used.

1054
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: To wander along and we the football team. The Tiger's

1055
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 2: team would train two nights a week, and you'd remember

1056
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 2: these Berriers two nights a week at light hard Oval

1057
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: come back, but by that time hotels had closed at

1058
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: six o'clock. My father used to let them all in

1059
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: out the back. He became very very close to them.

1060
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: And then it came at a time where you know

1061
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: of a Saturday morning. I remember Joe Jo Orgenson who

1062
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: was played for Australia but he was playing for Balmy

1063
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: at the time. They used to all drink at the

1064
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: pub and he would at the Sackville and he'd picked

1065
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: me up on a Saturday morning, would Georgie Watt and

1066
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: these guys. They'd picked me up and take me to

1067
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 2: wherever they were playing. It was always home and away games,

1068
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: and my main game was at the Sydney Creeker Ground,

1069
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: but they would take me wherever they go, Cumberle and Oval.

1070
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: It wouldn't matter. They'd sit me in the spot just

1071
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 2: near where the reserves would be and and he give

1072
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: me a pack of potato chips and a bottle hag

1073
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: of cola and they'd say, now, don't go, will be

1074
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: here after, and straight after into the dressing room. So

1075
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: I was a mad Balmain fan, very very keen on

1076
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: Barmin Craig's been the one member of the family. But

1077
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: we've got a lot of hotels in the Canterbury Beanstown

1078
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: district and Benstown means a lot to us like it

1079
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: would to you, because it's my heritage that he but

1080
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: they would they had nobody on the football jumper the

1081
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: bottom of the ladder. No the football jumper four years ago,

1082
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: I think it was and Stuart's idea. Stuart came to

1083
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: us and said, Dad, why wouldn't you put your name

1084
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: on the football jumper? I said, what for the bulldogs?

1085
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: All the bulldogs?

1086
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: The Hughes is Jeff Robinson's one of my best mates, right,

1087
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: was one of my best buddies. I was with him

1088
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: yesterday but you know we're no Saturday. But were you

1089
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: know all the guys Joey, Thomas, Gillespie, Sles, all these blacks.

1090
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: My hotel was like their clubhouse, Gus girl, My hotel

1091
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: was like their clubhouse in the eighties, right.

1092
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: They were all there and in the Canby area, in the.

1093
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: Canterbury area, they reread the Twin Lays Hotel. That's that's

1094
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: where I was. And they'd be all up there and

1095
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: we were very were. They'd win a competition and they come.

1096
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: They'd sleep on billiard tables and all this all night

1097
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: in my hotel. You know. I'd bring chefs, the cooks

1098
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: in in the morning to cook and breakfast and all that.

1099
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: And they'd cut Jeff Robinson here off there one time.

1100
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: Long hair. How how hard he used to run. He

1101
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: was hard.

1102
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: He was hard man.

1103
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: His hair would be out flying at here and he

1104
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: just runs straight into like running a brick wall, like

1105
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: a brick wall. Unbelievable.

1106
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had all I've always and every time

1107
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: they'd played bal Maine, it would it cost me something

1108
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: like thirty schooners because I would have to back bal Maine.

1109
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: They'd have dy'd all back. What do you what do

1110
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: you reckon? Ath? And I said, we'll beat you this time.

1111
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: And were we on bulldogs or berries? Now we're talking berries.

1112
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: Probably at that seventies in the city No.

1113
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: Eighty so might have been Bulldogs Peter Moore's time, so

1114
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: it could have been Bulldogs, but they it was it

1115
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: was the football team, and they'd all be there and

1116
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: and then I with a number of hotels. And Seward said,

1117
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you get your name put on a thing?

1118
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: So I said, no, I don't think so. But John

1119
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: Ballasti is a very close made of mine. Former e Smith,

1120
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 2: a very close friend of mine, and he was on

1121
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: the board of Kennebary at the time. Stewart spoke to him.

1122
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: Suward said, make a number, Dad, what would you give him?

1123
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: And I said, I'll give him five hundred thousand. So

1124
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: he took her to the board and the board said, no,

1125
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, not enough. And I thought, no one there,

1126
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: no one that they're on the bottom. Who knocked five

1127
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: hundred grand enough for back when you're when you're running

1128
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: last than the competition, you know. Anyway they rethought it, say,

1129
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: for the first couple of years, I got a cheap.

1130
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't get a cheap anymore right now.

1131
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: I know what the general strip costs.

1132
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: So that's how, of course you would And that's how

1133
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: that's how I went. So I said all right. But

1134
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: when I first said I'd do it, I said, I

1135
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: don't want to be just a name on a jumper.

1136
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: That's not my life, it's not my style. I want

1137
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: to be involved. I want to be part of it.

1138
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 2: And then Stuart became. You know, we were struggling the

1139
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: first couple of years and Guss's name was mentioned to

1140
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: come there, and then it seemed to die, just seemed

1141
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 2: to fall over. Suard just ring me out of the blue.

1142
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: One day he said, Dad, what's happened to you? Feel girled?

1143
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know what's happened. What do you mean?

1144
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: And he said, we're in negotiations and I said, well,

1145
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not sure, but I'll find out. And

1146
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: there were little discrepancies in what each party were prepared

1147
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: for and all that sort of thing. And he said,

1148
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: if I ring him, would you meet with him? And

1149
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: I said yeah, sure. He said, if you met it,

1150
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: do you know him? I said, look, I knew him

1151
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: in the eighties, not well. He was a player. And

1152
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: I said, but no, the answer is probably no. And

1153
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: I said, what do you know him? And he said,

1154
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: and Stuart's one of these blokes. Of course it knows

1155
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: everyone and he said no, he said, but I'll get

1156
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: in touch with him all right. Didn't think anything will

1157
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: happen with it. She got in touch with Freddie Fiddler,

1158
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: who asked would he have meet with Arthur Lorndy to

1159
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: discuss this and and everything? And he said yeah, sure,

1160
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: So anyway Stuart arranged it. We went out of the

1161
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: North Sydney Hotel. We met because he had to go

1162
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: and do a podcast that evening or something like. I

1163
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: think that was what he had on something with Channel nine. Anyway,

1164
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: we met and we sat and we talked and I thought,

1165
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: there's life here. There is life here.

1166
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: What is your opinion of I don't mean in a

1167
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: character sense, but your opinion of Gus into the football smarts.

1168
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: In two years? In two years we've come from the

1169
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: bottom where we were getting beaten by lots of schools

1170
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: forties and fifties and all that. And two years that

1171
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: he's been there, we are now a competitive football to

1172
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: a top eight now. We're a competitive team now and

1173
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we expected to be in the top

1174
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: eight this year and it doesn't disappoint me because we

1175
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: are competitive. Next year we will move we need some players,

1176
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: and you and Nick are well aware of that. We

1177
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: need a couple of players. But we are on the

1178
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: way right. So anyway, I met with him, and I've

1179
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: found out that there's so I got in touch with

1180
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: the board and I said, listen, I don't want to

1181
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: stick around here sitting on the bottom of the table

1182
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: that I said, I think we should be putting the

1183
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: guy on and all that. They discussed it with me,

1184
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: and I think I convinced them, so they said all right.

1185
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: I said, well, I'll leave it in your court now.

1186
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: So I rang Phil Gould and just said, look, it's

1187
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: in your court now. I believe there's life here. There

1188
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: is life, And that's how it started. He includes us

1189
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: in everything includes Craig includes me, like if he's interviewing.

1190
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: When we bought this young fellow, Carl Ouplou down from

1191
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: the Broncos, he rang me and he said, look, I'd

1192
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: like you to be there. So we went out and

1193
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: we had an early dinner one night out there at.

1194
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: Brighten me Sands and Peters at the Greek Place at

1195
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: the Air, one of those places there.

1196
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: We sat there and we're just at an early dinner

1197
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: and he likes me to talk to the young fellows.

1198
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: I see myself as somewhat of a mentor. I like

1199
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: to be involved with the players. I like to be

1200
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: uh and and he includes me in that area.

1201
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: I like it too, Arthur. They like it too because

1202
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: they get these young players coming from all sorts of

1203
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: places to get exposed to people like you don't under celebrate.

1204
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: I understand they have.

1205
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: They think wow, yeah, Lorne, I mean Arth Laundy. And

1206
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: for them that's a big deal.

1207
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1208
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: I see in our club when they sneak like like

1209
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: it's like God and it's important to them.

1210
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's a big deal for me too. I very

1211
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: much enjoyed them. You know, I was in the dressing

1212
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: room last night with young jacob Is.

1213
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: After the Paramount game. Great when unbelievable come back, thank you,

1214
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: just unbelievable.

1215
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: It was great. It was great, and well, you know,

1216
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: I just said, and I talk them, but I want

1217
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: to know what they're doing. I want to know what

1218
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: are they doing with their money? And I spoke, I

1219
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: speak to them and say, by the time your contracts

1220
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: finished here, I want you to have something in bricks

1221
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: and mortar, just something I said. I don't give a

1222
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: villa but something that will make money for you, did

1223
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: you If you work it properly, you won't be taxed on,

1224
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, and this sort of thing. And I get

1225
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: very very involved in that side of things with them.

1226
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: So I enjoy it so much. So I've now become

1227
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 2: a bulldog. The Paul Ling mat was with me yesterday saying,

1228
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: ask Arthur what his favorite team is. Ask and I said, man,

1229
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: I'm a bulldog. He said bullshit. But this is how

1230
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: you know. I enjoy it so much. But I think

1231
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: folks like Gus Gold, Gus Gould, we had we were

1232
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: very involved, particularly Cray, very involved in getting.

1233
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: Soreldo unbelievable he's doing so well, very.

1234
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: Involved with getting Cameron down.

1235
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: The great defensive coach which people under sell, which is

1236
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: one of Candidi's straints of the moment. The way they

1237
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: defended when they are one of your boys got Simbian

1238
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: for ten minutes against Paramotta. The way Canterbury defended was amazing.

1239
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: Like and they started attacking as well, but like, that's amazing.

1240
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: You won the game during that period when you were

1241
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: down one man.

1242
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: For ten minutes.

1243
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and thround behind.

1244
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: On the on the scoreboard correct, Yet they couldn't score again. Yeah,

1245
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: they were leading eight and ten, but they couldn't score

1246
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: again during that time.

1247
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: I agree with you, they're great. I mean, he's he's

1248
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: been a great but by this team bit of time

1249
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: to get into to get him into a bit of

1250
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: a rhythm, you know, some sort of cadence in terms

1251
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: of how he's coaching. I guess he's got to find

1252
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: all his new players. You're going to try and put

1253
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: them all together as well, try and work at who's

1254
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: who in the zoos. But it seems to me, just

1255
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: from watching you then, Arthur, that this is another source

1256
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: of vitality for you.

1257
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: It is.

1258
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this looks like it's a big, big deal,

1259
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: Like you were beaming with enthusiasm then and sort of

1260
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: like a sense of fulfillment. How important is it for

1261
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: you in terms of that audience, at least the football

1262
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: players and the Canterbury, the Canterbary players. How important is

1263
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: for you to be able to pay forward, give back

1264
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: what you've been out of experience? In other words, things

1265
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: like you should get a property, you should get a

1266
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: bit of real estate behind you name. But in other words,

1267
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: you're paying forward your advice your life experiences to these

1268
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: young guys, who, by the way, ordinarily would never get

1269
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity to have someone like you to talk to them.

1270
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: They just play footy, spend all of anyone whatever they

1271
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: spend it on. At the end of their career the

1272
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: thirty two thirty three, no one wants to resigned them.

1273
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: They might get a job in England or something like that,

1274
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: but they've got nothing. How important is for you to

1275
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: be able to pay back?

1276
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: That's why I'm there, mate, Yeah, that's why I'm there.

1277
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: I think it's very important.

1278
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: But is that because Arthur, you've done so well and

1279
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: your kids are going to do well and your grandkids.

1280
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: Do you have it in your heart this feeling that

1281
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: there's some poor buses just never get a fucking kick

1282
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: in life, and they just and I'm a dude, it

1283
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: can help them do it.

1284
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: Mark, I'm a publican. I've seen those poor bustards has

1285
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: never got a kick in their life. I see them,

1286
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: and you know, all of these I'll do as much

1287
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: as I can for anybody, any of the guys here

1288
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: who would like to talk to me at any time.

1289
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: I get a great thrill out of it. I had

1290
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: a young fellow Mick came up to me at this

1291
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: at this meeting the other day at the Former Players

1292
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: on Saturday at Canterbury and they rang me and said

1293
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: would you come over because I know most of them.

1294
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: And he came up and he said, mate, you talk

1295
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: to us. You back in ninety ninety one, I think

1296
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: it was ninety ninety one or ninety one ninety two

1297
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: we won the Canterbury and On, in the middle of

1298
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: being a bell May fan at this stage, won the

1299
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 2: President's Cup this particular year, and I remember Jeff Robinson

1300
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 2: was coaching them. Peter Mortimer rang me up and he said, mate,

1301
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 2: because for Jeff Robinson, would you give a seat thousand

1302
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: and sponsor the President's Cup. I said yes, and Jeff

1303
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: had bring all back to the hotel and they all

1304
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: became like sons to me. And there are people like

1305
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: Jason Smith, Robbie Ralph, all these guys that went on

1306
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 2: to play good, big football. He said, after six rounds.

1307
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 2: And I hope this doesn't bore this part of it,

1308
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: but he said, after six rounds. Jeff, Jeff Robbo I

1309
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: was there this Thursday night and he said, make can

1310
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 2: I ever talk to you? And I said, yeah, mate,

1311
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: He said, we have got a good football team, but

1312
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: I don't I'm doing something wrong.

1313
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.

1314
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: He said. We haven't won a game, and on next

1315
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: Friday night we play Paramatta, who are undefeated, he said.

1316
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: And we got talking and I said, would you let

1317
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: me talk to the team. He said, would I have

1318
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: or I'd love you too. But we are real close

1319
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: Jeff and I and he said, I'd love you too, mate.

1320
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: This in ninety one or ninety two. So I went

1321
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: to the out the Paramou Stadium with now Cumberland Aval there,

1322
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: and he said, I just want you guys now to

1323
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: sit and want you to listen to Arthur. I knew

1324
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: them all very well, and I just spoke to them

1325
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: about life. I said, I'm not here to talk about football.

1326
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 2: I said, you guys have forgotten more about football than

1327
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: I ever learned. I said, I'm not to talk about that.

1328
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 2: I said, but in your life, you can achieve anything

1329
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 2: you want to achieve, providing you want to reachieve. I

1330
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: think I want to do that. It's not like that.

1331
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: I said. There's a little thing in your mind called

1332
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: id id it's in your mind if it can convince

1333
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: you to do something. You can do it, but it's

1334
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 2: got to convince you, and you've got to be aware

1335
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: of it's there. You can go out And I said,

1336
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 2: you've seen your case, Jeff Robinson run through brick walls.

1337
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: I said, he wasn't thinking of anything else other than

1338
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: running through the paramounta lineup that time, you know, and

1339
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: this sort of thing. I said, But you must be

1340
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 2: convinced in your own in your heart. You can't do

1341
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 2: anything unless and the only thing that convince you that

1342
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: is your mind. D It will control everything, providing you're

1343
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: prepared to follow it. And I said, you've got a

1344
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 2: bloody good football team here. You've got a damn good coach.

1345
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 2: A Blake would run through the walls and do everything

1346
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,879
Speaker 2: everything a football more than a footballer would be expected

1347
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: to do. I said, you've got it's there. We know

1348
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 2: it's there. He knows it's there, and he's a better

1349
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: judge than football than I am, But he knows it's there.

1350
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: Said convince yourselves, fellas. You can beat this paramatter side,

1351
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: but you've got to be prepared. And anyway they went out,

1352
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: they be paramatter. They won the next sixteen games in

1353
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: a row. Wow, got beaten by a paramatter in a

1354
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: semi final, beat them in, came back to play them

1355
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 2: again in the grand final and won the grand final.

1356
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: And this mechapp will be reminded me of this at

1357
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: the football thing on to say.

1358
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: He said that on the weekend last weekend, on last weekend.

1359
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: He said, the words you spoke to our team that day.

1360
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 2: I still think of them regularly. He's now got a

1361
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: successful trucking company and this sort of thing, he said,

1362
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: But I think of it so often. And I said, mate,

1363
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: you have no idea how much that thrills me that

1364
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: you I have had something that I've been able to

1365
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: give you that's been worth keeping.

1366
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes those things, well you can't put a dollar figure

1367
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: on it. You know, people talk about people like yourself

1368
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: about that. They just want to throw numbers in front

1369
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: of everything, and you know, put B and after it,

1370
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: which stands a billionaire. Okay, And that's sort of Unusually

1371
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: it's the media because that's what they like to deal with.

1372
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: But sometimes, well I ask you the question, sometimes is

1373
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: it Sometimes the value of that, that one little conversation

1374
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 1: on the weekend, The value of that sometimes eclipses the

1375
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: value of everything else. Not saying you want to give

1376
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: everything else away, but I'm just just that value inside you.

1377
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: Is that a really important thing to Arthur Lornd extremely?

1378
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: Extremely Is that because you loved your father so much?

1379
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: Because that's what he brought to the table. He brought

1380
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: this to the table. He brought to the table. Mark,

1381
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: if you want to win, you can win. But don't

1382
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: say you want to win. If it's only words. Yeah,

1383
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: don't say it's you want to win. You've got to

1384
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: want to win totally.

1385
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that And and I've led my life. I've

1386
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: tried to bring the kids up the same way. We've

1387
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: led a life that there have been there have been

1388
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: times when I was doing it tough, very early days.

1389
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, it was eating the paid off the wall.

1390
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: I've helped a couple of publicans, and I've used that

1391
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: description a lot of times, paid off the wall. I've

1392
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: helped some publicans. Two publicans were in the hands of receivers,

1393
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: and I went into battle for the against the hands

1394
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: with the with the lenders. Let me have a go

1395
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: at it. I believe I can get these people out

1396
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: of trouble and in doing so, or get you out

1397
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 2: of trouble. One was the state bank right the state

1398
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,879
Speaker 2: bank at Paramatta and this particular fan we were in strife,

1399
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: and I said to them, would you let me work

1400
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 2: work at the hotel? I said, don't put a receiver

1401
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: on receivers. They might save an airport, save a milk bar, savey.

1402
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,879
Speaker 2: There's no specialty in receivers. I believe I'm a specially

1403
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 2: in my game. I said, let me look after. I

1404
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: believe I can save both of you. And this one

1405
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 2: blake said to me across the table, he said, to me,

1406
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 2: who made you Jesus Christ? I said, no, no, I'm

1407
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: not pretending of Jesus Christ. I said, what I'm saying

1408
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 2: is I do believe, but I know I can do it.

1409
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: I believe I can save these people, and in doing so,

1410
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: I believe I can save you. Anyway, they had a

1411
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 2: chat and they decided to give me three months. I said,

1412
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: I can't do it in three months. I said, these

1413
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 2: people are in terrible dead. I can't do it in

1414
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: three months. They said, let's give three months a start.

1415
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: And I did it for three months with them, and

1416
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: I went back to this family who were with me

1417
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: at the time, and we went back and went outside

1418
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 2: and I said to them I can get you there,

1419
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: but in doing so, you're going to be eating the

1420
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: paint off the wall. There will be times when you

1421
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: hate me because it's the only way we're going to

1422
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 2: be able to do it. Anyway, we went back and

1423
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: I used to call in that hotel morning and afternoon.

1424
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: It's in the West and suberb so it wasn't far

1425
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,560
Speaker 2: from me. I'd call in there and we'd say what

1426
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: about this? And I'd say, hang on, what's this for?

1427
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: Did you need it? What's this for?

1428
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: You know?

1429
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: And this type of thing, And we got them out

1430
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: of trouble, and they've now got Gaming came in after

1431
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: that and really helped them. So we've got they've now

1432
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: got one of the best hotels, and they'd be worth

1433
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 2: a lot of dollars, a lot of millions of dollars.

1434
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 2: But they're very grateful people too. I remember this particular person,

1435
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: and Craig was part of this. I was sitting my

1436
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: office this day opening Christmas cards and I'm just talking

1437
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: to Robin, who was very big part of my life,

1438
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: and Craig talking to opposite, and I'm opening these Christmas

1439
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: cards and I just opened this Christmas card and I

1440
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: looked at the Christmas card. I said, ah, that's from

1441
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 2: so and so, and Craig said, you dropped something, Dad,

1442
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: and I said, well, went down. It was a check

1443
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 2: for fifty thousand dollars right because they were grateful for

1444
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: what I've just done for them. So I said, okay,

1445
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: we finished the meeting. I rang them straight away and

1446
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want fifty thousand dollars. I don't

1447
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: need money. I need to know that I've done something

1448
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 2: for you. That's plenty for me. I don't need the brass.

1449
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 2: And the person said to me, we've been trying to

1450
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: estimate your time. And I said, well, I'll tell you what.

1451
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: If you don't want the money, I'll give the money

1452
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 2: to a charity. I don't want the money, so I

1453
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: sent the money straight to Matthew Talbot. I sent us

1454
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: straight out to Matthew Talbot the fifty grand. Anyway, about

1455
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 2: six months later, another fifty grand coming. I rang a

1456
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: person again. I said, what are you doing? I don't

1457
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: want it. They said it's yours. Do what you like.

1458
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 2: Matthew Talban another fifty The third time it came, and

1459
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 2: rang them, I said, please stop this, please stop it,

1460
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: and they said, we think we think we've helped you out.

1461
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: We've repaid some of the debt, now not all of

1462
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: it repaid, and we will stop now we know you

1463
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 2: want to stop. Okay, So another fifty went to the

1464
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: matth you tell it. I said, I don't do these

1465
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 2: things for money. That's not what I want. And there's

1466
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: another thing we did the same thing for and they

1467
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: these people are now my greatest friends. They just they

1468
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: they they're so appreciative of what is. I just love

1469
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 2: doing that.

1470
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: I said something just to finish off arthurs. So it's interesting.

1471
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: When I was a kid growing up, I used to

1472
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: hear a lot of conversations on Sunday lunches and stuff

1473
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: like that, like you roast lunch and stuff about the

1474
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: saying is like here you shared die in your arms.

1475
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: She was tough as t And what I didn't realize

1476
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: is that people talking to And you've mentioned a few words.

1477
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 1: You said grateful, you said, loyalty, you know, pay forward.

1478
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: You know you're out helping people who are in lesser

1479
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: circumstances to you, not for anything in return, but aut it.

1480
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: And that's really the definition of generosity. What I'm hearing

1481
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: from you is what would be considered in old school days.

1482
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: We don't talk about this much anymore, but old fashion virtues,

1483
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: the importance of old fashioned virtues. If you were to

1484
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to your kids and your grandkids,

1485
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: what are the maybe if you could just let me

1486
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: know what three And I'd like to know this from

1487
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 1: someone like yourself. What are three old fashioned virtues that

1488
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: you think have been and maybe the things your dad

1489
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: taught you, but guiding lights for your life? What are

1490
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: three really important old school virtues? We never talk about

1491
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: virtues anymore, we don't hear about it.

1492
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: Just as a guide, they still should be there totally.

1493
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 2: I would say my first would be honesty. Yep. I've

1494
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: always tried to do everything keep my kids. And Craig

1495
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: once came home with a little tiny you've heard these

1496
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: sort of stories before. But we're sitting at dinner. I

1497
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 2: saw this pencil sharpener or pencil or something that wasn't ours.

1498
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Speaker 2: I said, who's that? Everything went quiet and I said, Craig,

1499
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 2: is that yours? And he nodded. I said where'd you

1500
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 2: get it from? And after about a couple of minutes

1501
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: he said, I was down at the little shop in

1502
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: caved and I took it that I'm sorry, I'm sorry

1503
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 2: and all that. I said, that's sorry. We're going back

1504
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 2: there tomorrow. We went down to the shop and I said, right,

1505
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: go and see the man. He went up and he said,

1506
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: I took this, I stole this yesterday. I'm back here

1507
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: to say how sorry I am. And the fellow gave

1508
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 2: you a little bit of chastising while he was winking

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01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: at me, and out we went. He was about right

1510
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: this thing and you just took it off the shelf.

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01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: Honesty is it's just an essential part of life that

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01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: so many people either take or don't take it for granted.

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01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: Because we're not born with honesty. We're taught honesty toways

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01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: see it. That's right.

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: Loyalty place a great deal in for some loyalty. Loyalty,

1516
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: and I think my third one be love.

1517
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: Love in what sense as being passionate about something.

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01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 2: Or no loving, loving, loving, loving of life, loving of people,

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01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: loving of particularly my family. They all mean so much

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01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:48,879
Speaker 2: to me, mate, And you know, like if something, if

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01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 2: some if there's something was going to happen and I

1522
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: could avoid it by giving all my money away, I'd

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01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 2: give it away.

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01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: That'll do me, LONDI thanks very much

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Speaker 2: So back