1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Sean Ailmam. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: We know the importance of getting culture right for a business, 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: and particularly at a senior level. If leaders aren't able 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: to come together as a team, then the company just 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: doesn't perform as well as it should. So what do 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: you do if it's not working? How do you reset it? 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: And what needs to change? My guests today have a solution. 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: It's not found in the boardroom either. Authentic Leaders Group 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: is a terrific supporter of this podcast. Jack Revolt is 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: the co founder of Authentic Leaders Group and my guest 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: this morning in the studio. Jack, Welcome to Fear and Greed. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Hello Sewan, how are you very well? We're also joined 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: by your colleague, psychologist Kate Anderson. Kate, good morning, morning, Sean. 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for having us. 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: So Jack, I'll start with you. You'd be familiar to many 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: listeners because of your incredible AFL career. Paint the picture 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: for me, the team's working, what's it feel like? 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: It's incredible. So I'm very lucky in my previous role 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: as an AFL footballer that I've experienced really good culture 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: and really probably culture that wasn't succeeding and when something 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: is absolutely humming and everyone feels a part of it, 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: everyone feels like it belongs. It is an incredible superpower. 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 3: And to put that into perspective, you walk into whether 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: that be a pitch or whether for my case, it 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: was walking into a game of footy, over three hundred 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: and forty seven of them, and the majority in the 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: back end of my career is when I walked in 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: with this sense of belonging and knowing that you were 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 3: there to succeed and what winning looked like, but also 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: what just the journey of success and learning to put 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: a good culture together look like. And it is a 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: fascinating feeling and it is a real superpower. 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: It seems so much more than just the technical aspect 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: of being able to play the game like it's much 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: bigger than that. 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. There's so many different aspects that come 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: with the mental side of things, but footy is a 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: game that you need so much to go right as 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: sort of businesses as well. And I've never worked a 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: day in business. I worked seveneen years. I got drafted 41 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: as a seven and a half year old. I worked 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: at sports Co and east Lands as my only other job. 43 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: So I came out of AFL at the end of 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and was sort of opened my eyes 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: to what the outside world looks like or outside of football. 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 3: And there's so many transitional skills that I've got and 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: I've learned in sports people have that aren't prevalent in 48 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: the rest of the world or in what I would 49 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: call sort of the business industry. So it's just it's 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 3: bringing that so like, it's an incredible feeling to bear 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: part of a team, and I've been lucky enough to 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: be part of a team and a really successful team 53 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: if you just look at the result of premierships. But 54 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: the fondest memories for me from a football and a 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: sporting career come from the actual journey. And that's where 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: that is where the real culture is built in any organization. 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: It's the that's the trip there. 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Okay, Jack, just before we get to UK, Jack, was 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: there one moment that you walked into a change room 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: a training session and you thought, Ah, this is what 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. 62 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: Like, Oh God, that's a really great question. I think 63 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: I think if I was to pinpoint anything that would 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: encapsulate why Richmond's culture was elite and why it was 65 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: really different and unique to us, which is an incredible 66 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: important piece of any culture, is that it has to 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: be unique and retrofit for the business. It is is 68 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: that on the eve of the two thousand and seventeen 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: Grand Final, and Richmond was in a thirty seven year 70 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: premiership drought and had been a relatively unsuccessful club on 71 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: and off the field, we actually went down into the 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: to the old change rooms at tiger Land, sort of 73 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: derelict a little bit, and in there sat fifty bongo drums. 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: Now you think, leading into the biggest game in arguably 75 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: Richmond's history, and the last session that the twenty two 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: plus the staff plus the players that weren't playing did 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: was they sat around and played the African bongo drums 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: to simulate the fact that everyone has a drum in life, 79 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: and everyone has a drum in afl and you can 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: beat the drum really bloody loud and make it about you, 81 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: or you can learn to play it in harmony. And 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: that was our sort of symbolic gesture of what we 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: wanted to do when we went out and we're lucky 84 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: enough to beat Adelaide in twenty seventeen, so if I 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: look at that and anyone asked me to tell one 86 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: story about why Richmond's culture was great, that is always 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: one that comes to front of mine. 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: Kate, your career is very different. It's taking you all 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: over the place. You've been a psychologist working in prisons 90 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: right through to working with massive global companies. I mean, 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: I want to hear about your experience, But what drives 92 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: you to do that sort of work? I think it 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: must take a lot from you, to be honest. 94 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: It does take a lot, but it also gives a lot. 95 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: And I think that's the part that for me really 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: drives me. And I think I see a lot of teams, 97 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: so we work with a lot of teams now, but 98 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: working in prisons, you're still working with a lot of 99 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: people who are human beings. And I think a lot 100 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: of the work that we do, and a lot of 101 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: the work that I do, is about how do we 102 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: build humans to be better versions of themselves or connect 103 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: in ways that enable people to be their best? So 104 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: how do you perform? How do you find success? How 105 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: do you show up in a way for your people 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 2: as a leader, how do you lead in a way 107 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: that enables you to get the best from your people, 108 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: But also, we spend so much time at work. How 109 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: do we just enjoy that a little bit more? How 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: do we play, how do we connect? How do we 111 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 2: talk to each other? So in every single role that 112 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: I've had, beat in prisons, beating corporates, beating consulting, it's 113 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: really about how do we get people to be the 114 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: best versions of themselves? And for me personally, I get 115 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: such a buzz out of that. 116 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Are there similarities across all those areas, like more. 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: Than you could possibly imagine? You know, people are people 118 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: are people, And when it's working, it's working, and when 119 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: it's not working, it's not working. And there's some really 120 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: fundamentals around that. And you asked Jack a really great 121 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: question before, which was, you know, aside from the technical 122 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: bit of making a football team work, what else is it? 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: And that's true in any organization. We hire people for 124 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: their technical skills, We bring people in because they can 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: do the job, but there's always something more that makes 126 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: it great. And that's true in prisons as well. 127 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: Fantastic, Look, I want to get further into this, but 128 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break. We'll be back in a moment. 129 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: I'm speaking this morning to Jack Revolt and Kate Anderson 130 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: from Authentic leaders Group. Your leadership programs are a little 131 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: different to others out there. You take groups to you know, 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: rugged paths of Tasmania Northern Territory, trying to get teams 133 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: to connect men coming to what we're talking about before 134 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: the break. They're not technical skills, they're social skills almost. 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: Why is it so important to take them outside the 136 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: workplace environment? 137 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: Look, I think the big thing for us is that 138 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: what we provide in it seems very fundamental is environment 139 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: and time. Like you can have the same experience in 140 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: a boardroom and be delivered the same I suppose syllabus 141 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: and it will have an effect for a period of time, 142 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: usually around two weeks. But the element of going somewhere 143 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: and doing something unique and ingraining it in people's mind 144 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: with an incredible environment, which the places that you've mentioned 145 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: are our classrooms we like to call them. It's this 146 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: moment in time for a group to come together, and 147 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: usually that is a group of workers or a group 148 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: of friends or people that are looking to change a culture. 149 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: And that is that pivotal moment in time where that 150 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: space will be forever known as that what changed in 151 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: their groups. So environment and time are two things that 152 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: everyone wants. Time is the hard one, and actually committing 153 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: to it is the biggest step. But once you get there, 154 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: it is really relaxing, and that's when the work starts. 155 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: Some of the things things like cold water immersion and 156 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: they just sound terrifying to me and lookin at heart, 157 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: so you know, no issues there. But do you find 158 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: when people have environment, have time, they're able to do 159 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: stuff that they didn't think they could do. 160 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's one of the reasons 161 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: that we use nature as our classroom is because you 162 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: take people out of the boardroom, you take people out 163 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: of their day to day and just by getting into nature, 164 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: we know that it reduces cortisol levels, it increases our 165 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: focus on each other, so we start to connect into personally. 166 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: One of the things that we really notice, and you 167 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: can feel it when we're out on walks or when 168 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: we're in nature, is that people kind of have this 169 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: real shift. So we're kind of on our phones and 170 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: our laptops and worrying about what's going on, and we're 171 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: in this kind of constant state of arousal or constant 172 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: state of fight or flight, which is just our workdays. 173 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: And once we start to take that away, people get 174 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: a bit of space. Dopamine increases, serotonin increases, and doorphins increase, 175 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 2: and we get this beautiful sort of snap back into 176 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: what it means to be connected, and that allows people 177 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: to problem solve better. Our prefrontal cortex, which is the 178 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: front of our brain where our executive functioning happens, that 179 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: switches on, so we make better decisions, we have better conversations, 180 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: we problem solve. So we've seen teams and individuals resolve 181 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: conflict that has been going on under the surface for 182 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: ages within the space of an hour's conversation. It enables 183 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: these really deep connections that you just don't get when 184 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: you're sitting in the boardroom where you're doing your other 185 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: work every single day. 186 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: See you get back home and you're back in the 187 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: CBD in Melbourne or Sydney or Brisbane or wherever you are, 188 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: and you've been through this incredible experience. Now, in Jack case, 189 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: when you kind of understood culture and coming together, your 190 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: reward was an AFL flag. What about corporates? What's their reward? 191 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Can they stick with it? Can they hold on to it? 192 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day. Is it 193 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: the bottom line that wins. 194 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a whole range of facets as well. 195 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: Like every great organization is built off the foundation of trust, 196 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: So going through something like this reinstills that, establishes it, 197 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: empowers it, and from there that's when I mean the 198 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: gold really happens. And so many different areas of your business, 199 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: whether that be a retention of the people, whether that 200 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: be your bottom line, which a lot of businesses solely 201 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: focus on, or whether that just be the harmony within 202 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: your group, It all comes out of something like an 203 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: authentic leader's immersion stronger and growing as well, and that's 204 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: when the really good conversations, remarkable conversations actually happen and 205 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: the acceleration of your people. And your people are your 206 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: most important resource, so investing in them is critically important. 207 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: That's when they start to shine and they start to 208 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: act like authentic leaders, and they start to live a 209 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: culture that is theirs, and they actually harbor it within 210 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: this within themselves to then add to that as well. 211 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: It's never growing organism a culture. As people come and 212 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: go and as people start to grow and succeed, is 213 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: that they continually add to it. So it's making sure 214 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: that that keeps filtering through for the rest of the 215 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: journey of that business. 216 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: One final question off air, Jack and Kate, you were 217 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: laughing with alot each other. I'm not sure one or 218 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: the other. You've got a great rapport. You come from 219 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: such different worlds to this business. Did you find a 220 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: lot of similarities notwithstanding your backgrounds? 221 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: I think we have a really similar value set and 222 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: one of the key parts about Authentic leaders is that 223 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: we also are very playful because we really believe in that. 224 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: I think we probably play a lot. 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: Actually it's funny where our kids actually go to the 226 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 3: same daycare as well, so that help deliver. 227 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: To the pickup. 228 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: But we're no different to any organization. Our people are 229 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: where our strength live. So there's obviously myself and a 230 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: Nick Randall who started. My wife has a master's in 231 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: organizational leadership, so she's the general manager and we moved 232 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: it from Tazzy when we were seventeen, so she's seen 233 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: every part of corporate life but also seen every inch 234 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: of AFL life and understands how compatible they are. And 235 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: it goes onto our facilitators too. Are a lot of 236 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: ex sports people that have great skills and have been 237 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: successful in their own chosen industry, but are looking to 238 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: in parts and wisdom, but also learned from our clients 239 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: as well, because every client is unique, every culture is 240 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: unique for our clients, and we're just here to take 241 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: people along the journey and be a part of seeing 242 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: people succeed because we've both seen that in many different 243 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: facets and it can be really addictive when you see 244 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: a group come through and have that shining moment on 245 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: the top of Mount Beauty when they basicly you saw 246 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: a twelve months worth of board meeting issues out in 247 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: half an hour in the middle of the bush. 248 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: Fantastic, Jack, Kate, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 249 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: Thanks for having us. 250 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: Sheldon That is Jack Revel and Kate Anderson from Authentic 251 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: Leaders Group, a great supporter of this podcast. This is 252 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: the Fear and Greed Business Interview. Join us every morning 253 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: for the full episode of Fear and Greed daily business 254 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: news that people who make their own decisions. I'm Sean 255 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: alma Enjoy your day.