WEBVTT - Bikies, brawls and beating death: Shannon Althouse Pt.1 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.800 Detective see a side of life the average person is 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.080 never exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:45.800 Join me now as I take you into this world. Today, 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.040 I spoke the Shannon Old House. Shannon has a history 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.720 of violence. Does that make him a bad man? You 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.040 can form your own views after listening to our chat. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.720 We talked about a lot of heavy personal stuff, growing 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.800 up as an indigenous youth in the Northern Territory, the 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.720 impact of being a survivor of child sexual abuse, family violence, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.400 drug addiction, his own acts of violence, including a vicious 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.440 prison assault, and his time as a sergeant of arms 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.680 of an outlaw motorcycle gang. But what I found most 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.959 interesting about Shannon is what he's doing now and how 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:24.360 he's turned his life around. Mate, you're a scary looking dude. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.360 I'm looking at your face tattoos, neck tatoos. It's you 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.280 got it written all over you don't mess with me. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:34.440 Yeah, yeah, well that's what I get from a lot 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.959 of people. Yeah, definitely, definitely that only you know, I mean, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.520 it's have been like that for years, you know, but yeah, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.440 it's you know, my story is my life? Really? Yeah? 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.559 Yeah, what's ago with the tattoos? When did you start 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:48.240 getting them? 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.680 Well, you know, it's funny like story about We're not 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.800 really funny about it. I started getting them when I 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.120 got addicted to Metham Fatamin, you know, like, yeah, yeah, 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.440 I never had any face tattoos, head tatoos or anything 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.240 until I started using heavy drugs. And then yeah, once 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.040 I started using heavy drugs, I was just like, I 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.120 want this face tattoo, I want that head tattoo. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.200 And yeah, oh yeah, I'm true. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.120 This is a true story. I'm not even lying about this. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.320 I woke up in prison, and once I actually sobered 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.680 up in prison, I really sobered up. I did look 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.080 in the mirror and I was thinking, Wow, it's like, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:19.120 what happened? 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:21.359 What have I done? 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.359 Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Oh yeah, I was shocked. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:25.160 I was shocked myself. 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.880 Trust me, Well, you can't. You can't avoid it. Every 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.400 time you're look in the mirror, it's there, and I 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.320 would imagine people react differently to you. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.200 Yeah, yeah, it's you definitely see the different groups of people. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.400 When I'm walking through the streets. You see obviously people 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.000 that are hard out, gang life style. Top of people 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:46.760 I bore me and like suss me out and try, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.800 especially because if they're from that area and I'm not 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.800 try I figure out who I am. But it's like 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.000 I've had like elderly and the kids and all that, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.840 like it's weird, Like they love on me. They always 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.440 intrigued and like nice fate, nice statues. Where did that hurt? 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.200 Did this herd? What's even the kids? You know, like yeah, 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.760 it's too it's funny. And you get all the people 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.120 who obviously got something or done something bad and stuff 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.480 like that that got enemies. You know, they look at 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.400 me like, you know, like. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.880 You're in the area for Yeah, yeah, No, I would 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.240 imagine that change people's perspective. But I'm obviously not a psychologist, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.560 but it looks like there's a lot of anger and torment. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.560 There is that part of it, Like what was the 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:30.240 basis of it? 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.040 Yeah? Is really to be honest, it's the pain, you know. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.480 I mean like it's when I got the first one, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.360 I kind of got addicted to that, like that feeling, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.160 you know, that sense of being able to go through 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.839 all that pain and stuff like that and just lay 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.640 there and I enjoyed it, you know, so I just 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.760 kept getting more and more and more. Yeah, before I 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.560 knew it, and it. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.640 Was it was at a time you were getting it 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.480 was a commitment to your lifetime lifestyle. You never thought 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.520 you were going to turn it around. What was Yeah, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.600 any social aspect of it, it's almost a rebellious that, yeah, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.840 aspect of it going well, okay, this is the way 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.120 I write what are you going to do about? 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.440 Yeah? That's pretty much exactly how it was. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:08.640 You know. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.080 I was part of a club, you know, so part 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.000 of the gang life, and I wanted to show it, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.600 you know, so I've got all the face hats and 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.280 all that, and just to prove you know, especially through 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.200 the interior wherever I was that you know, I wasn't 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:20.880 afraid of the life I was living, or you know, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.680 afraid of the people who were hated on me or 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:25.839 or what I was doing, or you know, with the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.080 people that I was hanging around. You know. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.000 So well, it's a podcast, so the people listening can't 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.600 see but the full face tattoos and neck tattoos. So yeah, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.120 that leaves an impact. Let's say. Yeah, now we got 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.600 together because of a mutual mate, Jeffrey Morgan. Jeff's been 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.520 on the podcast. He had his life, went off rails 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.720 at a hard start in life and spent a lot 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.479 of time inside, but he's really turned his life around. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.000 How did you to connect cause I think it's a 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.600 great connection. I've got a lot of respect for Jeff 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.560 and what he's doing. Now, how did you to meet up? 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.120 Yeah, yeah, it was Yeah, it was exactly that's exactly right, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.080 you know. And so I just finished doing a bit 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.839 of a bit of a lag, you know, seven years 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.560 in Northern Territory. So when I got released, like or 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.159 while I was still in there, you know, I thought 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.680 I need to change my life. You know, this is 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.960 this is this is not the way they live. You know, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.920 it's too you know, it's like he wants to live 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.920 this life. You know, he wants to be worried about 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.320 who's coming after you, who's going to get your or 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.000 you know. I just saw the dramas and that they 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.920 come with that, you know, like just just really got 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.880 to me in in so I thought I practiced and 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.279 trained and taught myself inside of prison how not to 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.800 let that stuff bother me for reading and stuff, you know. So, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.359 and then when I got released, I started doing like 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.400 stories and that on Instagram about like the crimes I did, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.400 you know, the road I was heading and got into 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.800 a bitter youth worker there in the Northern Territory with 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.960 a local boxing club there, and one of the stories 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.719 reached another fellow, Russell Manso, and he shared my story 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.279 and then did a shout out to me, and that 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.080 obviously Jeff and that scene that and then Morg's Yeah. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.599 Then he started started sussing out and followed me. I 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.440 followed him, and I started looking at he's reals and 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.719 I thought, wow, I got this. Blake's got exactly nearly 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:15.000 this exact same story as me, but and changed his 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.360 life in prison the same year, like same age I did, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.440 you know, but obviously he's a lot more advanced. When 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.560 I'm going to follow this bloke, you know, like this blake, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:24.760 he has got a good story and I love his 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.640 reels and he's the way he's teaching everything and talking 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.240 about it and the way he's cut from where he 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.720 came from to where he is today just spun me out, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.240 you know. And when I was in jail, that's exactly 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.240 what I was telling myself, that's where I'm going to be. Yeah, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.760 before I even knew that, those people like him doing 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.400 it already, and then when I got out and seeing 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.440 him doing it, that's what just blew my mind. And 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.080 I was like, oh wow, I've got to meet this bloke, you. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.880 Know, get involved in that someone what he's got. It's 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.600 important having role models, isn't it. Seeing someone like with 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.920 Jeff breaking the mold. Like if you looked at Jeff's 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.520 life twenty years inside, didn't look like he had the 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.919 future and come out and he's turned it completely round 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.560 that he's living a good life now. So do you 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.679 see that like almost like a role model? 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.839 Yeah, definitely, definitely, Like it just shows you that anything 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.240 is possible. Yeah, and no matter what your background, no 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.960 matter what your life was in the past, like you know, 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.160 like you don't just have to shut down, breakdown and 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.239 think and that you can't rebuild, refix and build yourself 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.920 to live that better life, to live life like Jeff, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.840 you know. And yeah, it's he's approven the putting that 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.040 you could do it, and so you know, I thought, well, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:31.880 you know, if he can do it, then I can 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.120 do it, you know. Yeah, So that's what I'm trying 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.800 to build now, just around Australia and the NT. You know. 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.520 Well, we're going to talk about all the stuff you're 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.720 doing and from what I've sayen, there's a lot of 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.120 good stuff. And if you're following the pathway of how 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.000 Jeff's turned his life around, I think you're heading in 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.720 the right direction. But there were some deep, dark moments 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.960 in the past for you, and we'll delve into that 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.800 just so people understand the journey that you've been on. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.920 The upfront, I want to know, yeah, X biking and 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.840 a cop. See here, I'm about to play you a video. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.960 If I was your solicitor, I'd say make no comment. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.560 It's something that's online, so it's not something that's secret. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.920 You've spoken to me about it, and I just want 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.240 to want to play it and get your thoughts on 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.960 it was when you've gone in the prison and an 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.160 assault that you committed in the prison that was captured 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.240 on the CCTV footage and released in the media. Do 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:26.239 you mind me playing that? 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:26.720 That's fine? 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.480 Okay. Now people can't see the video that we've just 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.719 played because it's a podcast, but if your head over 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:37.360 to YouTube, it will be displayed in full. There fairly short, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.439 but intense. It looks like it was a yard are 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.440 in a prison and you've approached someone giving him a 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.200 kick in the head and then laid I lost count 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.080 after about twenty punches and giving him another kick in 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.480 the head. How do you feel watching that now? Where 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:55.280 you're at now. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.840 I look at some definitely not a message I want 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.840 to send to other people. You know. It's you know, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.920 it's a good way about going going about life, you 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.120 know what I mean, regardless of the situation or what's happened, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.720 you know. So yeah, you know it's I've got an 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.040 extra four years for that as well. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.280 So right, yeah, I would imagine you're looking there and 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.360 even at the time, like and we'll talk later when 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.280 your time in prison, why that why that assault happened? 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.920 But an extra four years Yeah, it might have he 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.800 might have deserved it might have felt good at the 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.640 time or whatever, but four years is a long time. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.040 Do you after you do something like that, do you 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.000 go back to yoursel after all the bravado's gone away, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.439 and sit there and go, what the fuck? What have 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:41.319 I done? Yeah? 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.280 One hundred percent. Like you know, I was. I was 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.600 one of them follows too that, you know, out of anger, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.520 I'd say something, you know, I'd say something in front 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.000 of people, Yeah, whether if I'm going to this bloke, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.120 I'm going to bash him or something like that, you know, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.920 and then when that would happen, Yeah, because I've said 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.440 it in front of people, especially in jail, I had 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.600 to do it. Yeah, I could not not do it, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.520 you know what I mean. Yeah, So that's kind of 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.839 the scenario that with that situation as well, And I thought, oh, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.360 I've sat in front of in front of the young lads, now, 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.559 you know, I've got to go to show them, you know, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.400 I got to prove you know that I can do it, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.440 you know. So yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's. 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.880 A tough environment it's an environment that's Yeah, you've got 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.319 to be able to hold your own and make statements 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.559 like that. And we have a lot of blokes have 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.840 been in prison and talk about that and the impact 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.480 that it has on you. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely it's it's definitely not a place 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:34.800 anyone wants to be, that's for sure. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.040 Well, you know, I think people like you sitting down 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.319 and getting the message across that, Okay, it might sound 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.360 cool when you're a young fella trying to make a 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.280 name for yourself, but no one wants to been in prison. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.120 Nah. No, definitely not like you know, it's and I've 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.439 seen that the whole time. I've done it nearly ten 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.040 years in Northern Territory. So that's when I took back 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.120 and I sat back, and I started observing people and 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.880 watching certain groups and their stories what they kept coming 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:03.679 in and out for, and I thought, you got to 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.200 change it. I mean, even the toughest lads in prison 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.800 would always win you about being in prison, you know 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.880 what I mean, Like it wasn't they didn't. And then 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.360 all the follows that are saying, oh I do this 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.040 standing on my head and all that, Well, then why 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.920 are you running from the police. If you can do 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.120 prison standing on your head, you're not afraid of jail. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:19.840 Why do you run every time the cop has come 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:20.520 for you? You know what I mean? 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.520 I had a Spanion on the podcast, you know Spanion. Yeah, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.240 he was talking about in youth detention, boys homes and 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.520 all that. It all sound glamorous. Everyone was out to 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.640 make a name for themselves. And then when he finally 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.520 got the prison, he looked around and gone, it's just yeah, 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.880 the ones with the respect that these old pricks that 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.800 have been in there for half their life, and it's 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.120 not a life you want to live. But look, we've 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.079 jumped ahead, we've taken a straight into the prison. We 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.480 better let you grow up. So tell us your story. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.520 Where'd you grow up? 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.680 Yeah? I was born and raised in Darwin, so yeah, 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.080 that's where pretty much where my family live and my 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.079 parents and that Yeah, born there as well, grew up there, 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.199 so you know that's that's that's where I was born 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:07.120 and grew up in the street. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.520 See yeah, when you say grew up on the streets, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.120 what was it? What was your childhood like? 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.480 The childhood wasn't like it was it was semi okay, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.440 you know, I mean a lot of a lot of 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.360 alcohol and violence, like domestic violence and stuff like that 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:19.839 when I was a young young kid, you know what 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.240 I mean. So yeah, I remember still remember all those days, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.640 you know, like really well, yeah, it definitely wasn't and 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.440 it was always always our house was kind of like 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.559 the go to place when people wanted a party, you know. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.439 Yeah. So so at that age, what were you saying? 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.160 How were we and what whatty? 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.080 To be honest, as far as you can go back 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.720 to as far as earliest memories, earliest memories, yeah, until 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.199 you know, like to my teens. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.160 Yeah, yeah, And how did you react to that? Like 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.280 you you're running around unsupervised or what? 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.599 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so I actually just take off and 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.160 because I was petrified when I seen that stuff happened. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.720 And you're yeah, yeah, you know, so all the uncles 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.120 are punching on in front of yours, you know, and 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.400 you use the toddlers and you know, like three, four, five, six, seven, eight, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.280 nineteen years old, you know, so. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.480 Did you think that was the norm? Did you just 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.920 like that was what life was about? Like, I'm just 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.480 curious as a kid if that's what you've seen. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.880 Yeah, Well, to be honest, I knew what was going 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.800 to happen. Every time they was a drinking, Like people 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.600 were drinking and partying, and it kind of like every 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.520 place that I went to, no matter what, that would 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.120 happen at those places, you know, no matter who, which family, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.240 whichever place it was at. That was definitely the case, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.520 and definitely by the end of the night there was 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.200 ambulances and police cars rocking up for some sort of 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.120 you know, pretty serious assault. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.680 You described to me when we're having a yarn the 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.320 other day that, yeah, you're riding around on pushbikes and 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.800 front rocks at police cars and taxis and that sort 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.600 of stuff. Is that, yeah, the type of thing that 0:13:58.600 --> 0:13:59.320 you're getting up to. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.800 Yeah, yea. So it was just you know, like all 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.800 of us kids in that from the street, you know, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.360 we had all the street kids and all that was 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.000 well it was all housing commission, you know. So we 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.520 used to just jumping out push bikes and take off, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.720 especially when all the parents and that all the all 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.880 the adults were drinking and you know there was our 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.760 safe haven. Killed Tom, kill her, bought them roll around 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.960 and yeah, we used to to to kill that bottom 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.400 you know, that would rock taxis or rock police cars 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.640 and try to try getting the police chase and that 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.160 you know, I went to try to get chased by them, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:28.800 you know, right. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.360 They get their attention. F Yeah yeah, rock at the 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:31.760 police car. How old were you. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.760 Then, that's I reckon. That was even before my teens 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.600 and all the way up and through through to my teens. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.360 Yeah yeah, yeah, you mentioned if you're comfortable talking about it, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.560 but it's happened to a lot of people that are 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:47.520 sexual abuse too. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.200 Yeah yeah, yeah, I went through that as a as 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.960 a child as well, you know, from a primarly friend. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.640 So yeahs I was getting sexually abused by him since 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:58.960 a kid, you know what I mean. And that all 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.080 happened at these parties, you know, so when the families well, 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.720 drinking and and having a laugh and partying and stuff 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.440 like that. You know, by the end of the night 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.200 thereas yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly that's the case, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.760 you know, and you see that around everywhere, you know, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.400 that's that's definitely what happens, you know. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:20.240 Yeah. So yeah, and it's important we talk about your 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.320 upbringing because I've said that in the introduction. Let's find 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.280 out about this person and see why you turned out 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.840 the way you turned out what you described there there, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.040 there's some pretty horrific things for a young fellow to 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.320 be growing up and experiencing that type of stuff and 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.040 without direction or that. If your mates are from rocks 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.920 at the police cars I'd be from rocks at the 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.600 police cars too. You wouldn't be thinking it's all about it. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.320 No, No, that's exactly right. Yeah, and that's what happened. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.320 You know what what you got taken away from from 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.800 darn was an uncle that took you down to South Australia. Yeah. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.840 Yeah, So my mum's brother, he's a good man, you know, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.760 is pretty successful in news line of work down in 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.040 South Australia, you know, looking after Indigenous people down there. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.240 And I was just bluing punching on in the territory 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.360 and stole my mom's cart and busted up, you know, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.680 like when I was I think I was fourteen maybe. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.119 Though that never goes down well nah, nah. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.720 You know, I still remember when my mom walked in, 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:21.960 you know, and you come up and booted me in 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.760 the ribs and told me to get get the fuck out, 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.440 you know, and so I ran because my stepdad woke 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.640 up and he was a scary one, you know, So 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.680 I boss jumped the fence took off, you know, and 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.800 I was living at bus stops, breaking into the shops, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.960 stealing whatever I could to eat, you know, for days, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.000 you know, in the house like lounge, shopping. And I 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.560 was fourteen, fourteen years old, but I was too scared 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.360 and too afraid and too embarrassed to ask friends or 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:47.560 family if I could stay out theirs. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:47.880 Yeah. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:49.400 I was too scared too that I thought that my 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.400 mum and the old man was going to rock up, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.400 you know, looking for me to give me a hiding, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.360 you know, So I just so I would, I would 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.240 avoid those places, you know. So I ended up the 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.000 air crashing at bus stops in it for a little while, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.199 and until I met another fellow and through one of 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.680 my cousins, and we just went and crashed on ease lands, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.320 you know, until I was at Casuna shopping center one 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:10.879 day and my sister told me that my uncle was 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.320 down from Adelaide, yeah, and that he wanted to talk 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.160 to me. So then yeah, I went home. That's when 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:17.800 he said, you know, you're coming to Adelaide with me, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:18.080 you know. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.800 So okay, how did that work out? How old were 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.600 you when you went fourteen four and how that? How 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.480 did that work out? You get some stability? 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no it was you know, so I 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.360 agreed to it, and yeah, we jumped in the car 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:32.879 and you know, about a week I think it was 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.720 a week after and we drove down back down to Adelaide. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.400 He enrolled me into a high school down there, Underdee 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.240 High and yeah, I went through a completed year twelve 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.119 and that there. You know, I still got hooked in 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.920 the grog and stuff like that, and I was still 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.639 punching on blew and like back. You know. As for 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.320 the street crime stuff, yeah, you know that that kind 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:53.919 of that disappeared when I was down there, you know, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:54.840 like dropped off. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.960 How long we're down there for? How long were you 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:57.920 living with your uncle? 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.640 Well that that's that there. I was there for three 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:02.720 four years, four years yeah that still. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.000 Yeah, and you attended school, you were going to school, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.720 yeah mate, yeah, okay, so you were looking at sort 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.199 of seventeen eighteen. What made you head up back up 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.200 to the Northern Territory. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.399 I think I just missed home, you know, missed home. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.159 All my nephews and nieces were growing up and they 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.280 didn't even know my name, and you know, so I 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.320 kind of wanted to go back up there and reconnect 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.840 with my brothers, my sisters, with the kids too, you know, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.520 all the nephews and nieces, especially after like what like, 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.520 especially after what happened to me when I was growing 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.399 up as a kid around that area and them households. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.280 I didn't want my nephews and nieces to experience that 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.359 too and go through the same thing. So so I 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.040 thought I better get up there, you know, and just 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.679 make sure that's all right. They're right, you know. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.120 And how'd that work out for you when you when 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:54.040 you went back up there. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.480 Yeah, it started off all right, and then again I 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.479 got hooked on the grog and some of the drugs 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:02.680 and drug life and stuff like that. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.800 I read one of the interviews, and you've done quite 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.760 a few few interviews now, but we met and feathermone 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.439 the euphoric hit that you got when you tried it 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.199 first uff, Yeah, dragged into it. Yeah, what what the 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:18.840 talk was through that process? 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.679 Yeah, No, it was. I still remember the first day 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.760 I took it. I had a like a good made 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.760 of mine. We went for a drive, packed up packed 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.840 up in a like in a in the bush and 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.840 he's like, can you get that? Get the pipe out 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.640 of the glove box. I was like, oh, I thought 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.159 it was I thought it was a marijuana pipe, you know. 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.440 So I pulled in and it's just this glass pipe 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.199 and I'm like, oh, that's weird, you know. Gave it 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:41.920 to him and then he's pulled out this little bag 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.639 of ice, myth and like, what the hell is that, 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.000 you know, and he's just like it's ice, you know. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.760 I was like, what do you mean ice? And he's nah, 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.520 it's like meth, you know, like it gets you high 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.720 and want someone's like noah, nah na stuff that, you know, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.240 like I get drug tested and he's like, no, it's 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:57.720 out of your system in a couple of days, you know. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.160 And then I thought, oh, I'll give it a little try. 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.960 As soon as I had that first blaze, it was 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.560 just over, you know, like, yeah, I just can't remember. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.640 Like the next ten years pretty much was just a blur. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.720 I've had other people on the podcast and no people 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.639 that have that same story. But yeah, you think, you 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.720 think your strong willed, you could I can try it 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.560 and just see what it's like and then walk away 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.480 from it. But people just get that first first hit 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:25.240 and they're gone. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.080 Yeah. Yeah, it was after that first hit, you know, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.359 I just just went downhill from there, like I lost 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:36.520 thirty thirty six kilo, just was getting sores everywhere. I 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.199 was just paranoid, wouldn't leave home for days, you know, 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.479 like staring at the window for two three days at 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:42.800 a time. 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.520 Like you get that glaze looking that junkie type look 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:47.159 about it, you don't you? 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:47.560 Yeah? 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.040 Yeah, had you got in the training and that when 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.960 you were down in Adelaide, were you doing any stuff physically? 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:54.600 Yeah? Well when I was down there, I was playing 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:56.600 rugby and you know, like I had a little gym 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.119 set up and stuff like that, so I I was 0:20:58.160 --> 0:20:58.960 hitting the gym here. 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.080 And looking after yourself. Yeah, and then then it just 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.919 all went skew if when you got the drugs. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:06.760 Yeah, yeah, when I went up and got on the 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.280 drugs and it just all went down here, just no training, nothing, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.000 just hitting the drugs heavy, not eating, screaming. 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.359 Yeah. It's not a real good promotion for it, is it. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:19.240 How do you address that up? 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:19.960 Yeah? 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.639 Yeah, you get it, get it high, and then you 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:22.480 destroy your life. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.520 Yeah yeah, you know, like I've had mates millionaires that 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.240 own their own bigger companies, like had contracts on minds 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.040 and at an NT like living out of the cars 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.040 like like in no time, you know from that stuff 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:33.440 as well. 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.879 Yeah, we do need to get that message out, isn't it? 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.080 Like you see some really capable people with just their 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.760 lives are destroyed once they get get addicted to it. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.520 What was the other thing you're doing in life? How 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.600 did you find your way towards bikes? What what attracted 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:50.160 the bikes first? 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.439 Up before the Yeah, so what happened there was I 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.840 was I was living and working in Perth at the time, 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.080 and I had a mate, a really good mate. He 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:59.840 was that good like I just call it my cousin 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:02.159 and know, and from Adelaide. And he told me that, 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:03.679 oh yeah, we're going to head up to daw and 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.680 I want to introduce you to a feel of my mates, 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.520 you know. And I'm like, oh, who your mates? Like 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.960 I know they were the White Club, you know, like 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.360 we're there one percenters. And I was like, oh yeah, 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.240 And I thought I don't know any one percent you know, 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:18.640 And I thought it'd be interesting to find out about 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.520 him and stuff like that, and so I flew up 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.320 to flew up to day and got introduced to him, 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.879 and you know, there's a big bunch of these pretty 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.440 big big lads covering ink and stuff like that, partying 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.480 and at the pub, you know, drinking up and you know, 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.480 we just we just partied for a couple of days 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:36.320 and that's when I got to meet him or and 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.080 that was the first my introduction to that life, you know. 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.360 And what what the track? You're already into the drugs 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.239 at that stage. I've been off. 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:45.760 I've actually been off the drugs for a while. 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.520 The yeah, okay, so what what what attrack did you to? 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.720 What was I think it was mainly just like the tattoos. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.160 And drinking and you tear it up at that stage. 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.160 Nah, And I had a couple of tattoos, but yeah, 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.440 nothing nothing like how I've got now. So yeah, yeah. 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.399 So the drinking, the and I hear blakes of the 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.520 bening clubs and said, look, it's the good parts of 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.600 you're you're on the high, when you're you're riding the bikes, 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.800 you're hanging out with mates and getting all sorts of 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.399 sorts of trouble. That's the sort of attraction you were 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.399 looking for, is And I'm asking this question I'm not 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.240 saying that it's a case with you, but a lot 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:22.760 of the blokes I've spoken to have gone down the 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:27.200 path of going into the omcgs, have had childhoods where 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:29.080 they didn't feel like they had a connection, felt like 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.840 they were out misfits, didn't fit in, and they found 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.879 that brotherhood in the bike gang. Is that something that 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:35.680 resonated with you? 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.919 Yeah, definitely, you don't like it. You know, like that 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.119 sense of protection too, you know, like you know, if 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.479 anything happened to you that you know, or you got 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:45.119 you all the lads and all that, they would just 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.159 come come come back you up, no matter what you 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.800 know or supposed to you know, So you know, was 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.199 that that kind of lifestyle as well? And you know 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:58.880 the how they didn't like certain criminals, you know, like 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.840 like child sex offenders, is you know, crime against children, 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.000 et cetera. You know, like all that kind of stuff too. 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.120 So you know that's definitely all that was was a big, 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:10.160 big partner as well. 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:14.200 Okay, so you saw some some of shared values in 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:18.160 what they did. Yeah, okay, when when did you actually 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.040 what was the process of joining the club and what 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.200 club are You're happy to mention the club that you joined. 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:24.840 Yeah, yeah, I was, so, I was a member of 0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.120 the Rebels MCP. So yeah, we just chapter and chapter. Yeah, 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.760 so we started up and down and I joined them. 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.280 I started nominal for them, and yeah, it was just 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.920 basically all we had to do, like all I had 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:40.800 to do, like obviously different different parts of the clubs 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.119 and that, you know, they've got different ways of you know, 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:48.320 getting your colors and have it. Just prove yourself nominal, 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.000 nominal prospecting, you know, for them for for the twelve 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:52.679 months or however long it takes for them to give 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:55.600 you your colors, and you know, just work behind the bar, 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.320 make sure that you know, like all all the clubhouse, 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.200 yeah yeah, make sure the club house clean, the bikes, 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.040 you know, the field up, you know, going on runs 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:06.560 like you always got to be on runs in that too, 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.680 and get involved in all that stuff too, and volunteer 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.040 and help out with all them, you know. So and 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:13.520 then once you can I prove that and then you know, 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.040 all the other members and that like yeah, you know, 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.760 then yeah, they'll come to come to a point where 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:20.919 they're just like, all right, well we're going to give 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:21.480 him his colors. 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:25.720 You know. Yeah, did you did you have enough concern 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.440 that that stage when when you join the club that yeah, 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.680 the old addages, you're even going to end up there 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.320 or in jail. Yeah, but I suppose you've got all 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.000 the bravard they at that point in time, and you 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:37.080 think it's not going to happen to me. 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.000 Yeah, yeah, kind of, you know, especially Daryn, like darn 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.640 wasn't There was some bad stuff that happened up there too, 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:45.560 involving clubs and stuff like that, but it wasn't really. 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:50.520 It was nothing like like bloody Sydney or bloody Melbourne 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:56.800 or or Perth or South Australia. You know. So he's like, 0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.600 you'll fighting more with you like the cruise, you know 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.280 what I mean, like mate, like pretty much my own 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:05.520 family and stuff like that, you know, like you know 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.439 that's who, That's who it was all warring with. You know. 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.919 So when when did you first get in trouble with 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:12.879 the when you were hanging out with the bikies with 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:14.600 the law, what was there? 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.320 I think it was twenty thirteen and that might have 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:18.199 been two and thirteen. 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:18.919 Yeah. 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.320 I got done for a robbery and company. Yeah yeah, 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.240 so I was a debt collection. I went and collected 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.520 a debt or one bloke Rode. I think it was 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:26.680 like four thousand dollars. 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:31.440 Yeah, yeah, and did that Did you get custodial sentence 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:31.719 on that? 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:33.960 Yeah, yeah, I got. I'm pretty sure it was a 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.920 two and a half year with twelve months twelve months 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:36.240 of serve. 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.120 Yeah. Yeah, so that was your first stint inside. Yeah yeah, 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.160 how did you find that? Yeah? 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.280 I was I was discussing, you know, like up in 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.159 the prison in yeah, old Bear. Yeah, so I was 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.760 the old Barama jail. So that's what was my first 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:53.679 introduction to prison there, you know. 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:54.120 Yeah. 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.520 So yeah, they threw me in there, threw me in 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.760 a block cord. They called it the bird cage. So 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:06.399 it's the walls were just you know those the steel 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:08.680 mesh that they use when they're pouring slabs. 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.040 Yeah, with the big holes in them. 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:11.840 Yeah. So all they did was they were the walls. 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:15.280 They just welded them, tacked them to yeah, like a 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.040 lego block. Yeah. Yeah, so you could see straight through them. 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.040 The breeze comes straight through, and you know, you've got dormitories. 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:22.720 So there's there's three wings. You know, you go to 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.480 walk in. There's a wing to the right wing, to 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.160 the left and wing straight down and then every dorm. 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.560 I think there was about two four six eight, ten, twelve, 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.720 maybe fourteen sixteen prisoners and each each each dorm. 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.359 And were you're you're in the gang at that stage, 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.920 so yeah, they keep you, keep you separated or kept 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.479 kept you together. And was there other members of your 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:43.000 gang in there? 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.080 Yeah? Yeah, there was another member of the same club, 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.440 and they kept they pretty much kept us separated. 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:52.800 Yeah yeah, yeah, kept your own gang mate mate separated. Yeah. 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.120 Yeah, they tried keeping us us to separate it from 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.679 each other, right, yeah, through majority of the sentence. It 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.240 wasn't until halfway through it and they you know, said, oh, 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:01.840 you know, we chuck him in the block with with 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:03.600 the you know, the other member. 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.760 You know other dude, what about with the indigenous fellows 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.400 in there? Because you have the high rate of incarceration 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.560 up there in Northern Territory, did you you have people 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:13.640 in there, your mob in there? 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.160 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, like I had heaps of family in there, 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.959 like heaps. Yeah. Yeah, that was if they if they 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:22.399 weren't my family, then a lot of them were in 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.159 laws or in laws to my family, you know, So 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:27.800 you know, I was just packs of them, you know 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:28.440 what I mean, like. 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.879 Did anyone did you have any that first stint that 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.199 you did inside, did anyone give you a wake up 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.760 call and go what are you doing with your life? 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.280 Or it was just this is a path where we follow. 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.640 No no, you know, like it's no one actually yeah, 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.920 honestly gaming it talking to you know, like yeah when 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:49.880 I did that first little stint or anything like that, 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.960 you know. So yeah, yeah, they just just rolled with 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:55.600 the punches really and just went in there and done 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.040 my twelve months and punched on through that twelve months 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.400 I was there, you know, just trying to make a 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:01.760 name for myself in prison as well, you. 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.280 Know, punching on in prison. Yeah, yeah, it was that. 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:09.320 I know. We've had Russell Mancer we mentioned there's sadly 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.400 passed away, but he tells the times he head up 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.120 in the Northern Territory and it was a rough old 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:19.280 roughfold time in prison. Yeah, lots of lots of fights, heaps, heaps. 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.120 Yeah, it's just every day it's just fights after fire 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:23.520 like coaches getting called. 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.360 Yeah yeah, and no punishment for it or. 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.480 You know, you get thrown down. It's it's weird, like 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.360 you know, a lot of the people that I see, 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.600 like I've seen it that many times where the actual 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.120 people initiate the troublemakers, and that they always do it. Yeah, 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.160 you know, like they'll come down to the back cells 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.440 like separate confinement and then they get it let out 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:46.880 the next day and they'll get shipped off to a 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.800 local security or anything. I had to try to separate 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.200 the two groups, yeah, or you know, to separate whoever 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.440 it is, and then you'd have like people like me 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.320 and a few other young lads that you know, like 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.520 if we even said something wrong in front of the 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.960 office or whatever like that, you know, they would slap 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.200 us for and max block for another six months and 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.640 then put us on restrictions, phone restrictions, visit restrictions, non 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.520 contact stuff like that, you know what I mean. 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.280 So, just how long did you do with that stint? 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.280 You got two and a half years, was that the Yeah, 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:14.520 two and a half. 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.120 So two and a half years serve twelve months suspended 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:17.920 after twelve. 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.720 When you're in there and I'm just asking you and 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.160 everyone and have their own own different things, did you 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.080 think at some point in time in that twelve months, 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.560 and we know without giving away at the end, that 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.400 you've turned you turned your life around in your latest stint, 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.040 But in that first twelve months, did you think, Jesus Shannon, 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:39.920 what are you doing? Mate? Did you, yeah, question where 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:40.760 your life was heading? 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.800 Yeah? I did, Like I did. I did definitely questioned it, 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:49.840 you know. So it was the anxiety and that the 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.400 things that'd run through your mind when you're in no 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.400 situations and no positions in themselves, especially the back cells 0:30:55.440 --> 0:31:00.080 and that you know, like and like it's just a 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.520 stuff too, Like you're just like there's that million things 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:04.680 hitting you at the same time from all different directions. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.640 You know, you get confused and you don't know what 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.040 you know, what's right from wrong. And like I said that, 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.720 when you come out from from themselves, you know, because 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.400 there's a lot of people on edge in them places too, 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:15.920 So you can't come out and I don't want to 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:16.760 do this, I don't want to do that, or I 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:21.120 can't do this anymore, can't do that because with certain 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:25.040 people too, there's repercussions you know if you do try 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.000 to get out or leave or you know, like you know, 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.360 it's in any anything and dar on like all the 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:30.440 street gangs and stuff like that. 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.600 You know, I think I understand what you're saying. You've 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.560 said in those quiet moments when you're tucked away in 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.400 the cell, your head spinning, you've got thoughts going through 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.040 your mind and questioning your life and all that. But 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.000 the moment the gates or the cell door opens and 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.640 you're back in the yard, you've got to switch on 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.680 to the tough guy. Yeah, yeah, you do. You don't 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:50.160 give a fuck. 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:51.720 Yeah you can't. You can't show. 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:51.880 No. 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.360 It's like I said, especially that place, like there wasn't 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.040 a day in that place where I didn't well when 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.600 you weren't suffering from any kind of anxiety, like you're hot, 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:04.280 you lit, your anxiety levels were heightened. There was tension 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.600 in the block all the time, you know, So regardless 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.000 of how you're feeling in the cell, once the doors 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.400 are unlocked and you come out, it's game on, you know, 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.560 Like you've got to walk out with your head held 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:16.920 high and ready to punch on with anyone, you know 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:17.320 what I mean. 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:19.520 Like it's a good environment. 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:20.800 Nah, Na, it's disgusting. 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.440 I've spoken the blokes in there and they talk about, yeah, 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.400 you've got to bridge up the whole time. As you 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.480 just describe, you've got to be ready to go, and 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.480 then when you get released, you're still carrying that attitude. 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.400 When you're out on the street and you walk past 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.000 someone that bumps into you and you feel like you've 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.240 got to knock him out to hold hold your ground. 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.360 Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly what happens, you know. You 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.280 know when I got out, the same thing, and I thought, oh, 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.000 you know, if I bump into this person or bump 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.560 into that person, you know, like, am I going to 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.200 have to punch on? Like even though I don't want 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.240 it any more? Like I've changed my life, you know, 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.280 like I've made peace with my pass and made peace 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.520 with my enemies. Whether they made peace with me after 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.520 that now it's I don't know, but I know one 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.320 hundred percent that I've made peace with them. 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:01.360 You know. 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.720 So you know, if I've seen them and they wanted 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.200 to shake my hand, right now, do it? You know 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:05.520 what I mean? 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.000 Was there anything in that first thing you did in 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:09.960 prison that you reckon could have made the difference for 0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:13.960 you or change your trajectory on where your life was heading? 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.080 Is there anything? Or were you just You're too caught 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:18.000 up in the lifestyle at that point in time. 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:19.640 I think it was my age too, you know, because 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.080 I was still a young fella. Young I was twenty 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.920 five and twenty five, twenty six, so I still seem 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.560 in my little prime, in my prime young adult that 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.400 stage is. And a lot of the young fellows and 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:31.920 all that, like, and the older fellows looked up to 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.280 me too, you know, because I would punch on yeah, 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.360 you know, and I did punch on you know, on 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.920 the streets inside, you know, so you know, I kind 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.640 of had to when I come out, you know, just 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:43.800 play that same role, you know. 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.560 And if you're on the sets intoxicating too, if you're 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.600 strutting your stuff and people looking up to you. 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:55.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, Like you know, it's and like 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.920 people don't realize too, you know, like you've after you've 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.160 done what you're done. Like I'm not talking for everybody, 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:02.680 but like I know a lot of the people that 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.080 do it, you know, you do feel guilty after. Like 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.320 I've seen some of the hardest lads in jail that 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.920 run the anti correction system right now come to me 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.560 depressed and ain't like upset with themselves after them half 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.640 killing somebody inside their cell because yeah, because they looked 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.120 at them the wrong way, or they owe them buy 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.759 up eighty dollar by for the week, you know, yeah, 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.000 and they come back. Oh you know, you know, I 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.000 feel bad and you know they'll shattered. 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.600 You know, I've seen that. But the sad part in 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.400 that environment, there's you can't show any of that, can you. 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.600 That's the thing. You got to bottle that up. As 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.759 you've described. So you got out, you're still in the 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:41.440 still in the bikis. 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:43.759 So I definitely left them. 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.239 Yeah yeah, but this is after your first stint. 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.680 After the first hint. Yeah yeah, yeah, so it was 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.799 it was weird like after the first stint, I got 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:53.440 kicked out. So I got kicked out while I was 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:54.080 still in prison. 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.080 How do you get kicked out? 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.120 Yeah, well that's exactly right. I don't know. So I 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.080 got kicked out, well, I was still in prison. I 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:01.400 think it's because I was a little bit loose to 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.319 you know, like when I was on the drugs and 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:06.240 the drink I was, I was rocking up the places. 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:07.799 You know, I'm not going to lie. You know, I 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.120 had blades on me, little samurai SuDS and stuff like that, 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.399 you know, when you're in. When I was in, when 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:15.120 I was outside with the club before I went in, 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.480 and I think the lads who was they all left 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.440 the club now, but the ones who was in the 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.319 club at the time I was in the club, yeah, 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.560 they were kind of on the back foot too, thinking 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.520 that I was just spoke going to stab us or 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.200 was he going to hit us? You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.719 So so when I went when I got locked up 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.320 and did that twelve months, they made an executive decision 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:39.920 to kick me out while I was still in jail. 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:40.160 You know. 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.839 Well, I've heard the people getting suspended from school, but yeah, 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.279 suspended from the BIKEI club, I suppose. Only the other 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.800 one I've heard of is that man Mamas was applying 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.960 for a BIKEI club and the biking club Man Mamas 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.080 from the Link Cafe seeds that that, oh and the 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.279 bike he said, no, it's too crazy crazy for us. 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.400 But okay, so your club would sort of distance themselves 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.200 from you because that didn't give you a wake up 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.920 call that you maybe your life's are a bit reckless. 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:14.440 Yeah, it kind of did, you know, But but I 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.160 don't know. I think I think it's because I was young. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:17.560 I thought it was a cool life to live too, 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:22.560 you know, like especially when I had like a little 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.920 fan base. You know, a lot of people looked up 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.400 to me and thought I was mad and mad as 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.280 you know, especially in dawn and ant. 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.839 Like, so's the wild West to start? 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.560 Yeah it is, you know, like, yeah, there's just a 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.640 lot of stuff happening in the streets are down, you know. 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.520 So is that it was sort of buying into your persona. 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.920 I suppose that, Yeah, I'm bad, I'm the baddest of 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:43.880 the bad type situation. 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.840 Yeah, because because I was like real close with a 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.279 lot of the most dangerous people in the territory at 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.920 the time too, you know. Yeah, So and they were 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:53.520 they were they were looking up to me, you know 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.680 what I mean. So and these these blokes here, they 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.600 wouldn't care. They'll put them nine straight through your throat 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.839 without even thinking, you know what I mean. Yeah, you know, 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.200 so I thought I'd been not upset to keep this. 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:05.919 I better keep a bit of stay tough. 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:09.879 Yeah yeah, yeah, we're all made. 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.319 Yeah, so you know, I'll save me a knife and 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:13.920 the neck anyway, Jesus. 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:18.160 Okay, it's a tough tough life. You're talking. How did 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:18.759 you get back in? 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:23.640 Yeah, So there's a controversy in the club a few 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.880 of the members from down South and that were a 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.200 bit upset about them because they obviously they told a 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.719 little bit of FIBs about about why I allegedly left 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.000 and stuff like that, and I was like, no, I 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.560 didn't leave. I got kicked out, you know. And yeah, 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:39.080 a couple of the fellows that I got along with 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.759 in the club down Sowth come up and we had 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.640 a meeting and they invited me to the meeting. We 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.399 had a yarn and they said, oh, do you want 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.000 to come back in as sergeant at arms. 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:54.600 Right, okay, describe the role of sergeant and arms people. Yeah. 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.960 Yeah, So it's just like pretty much you're enforce, make 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:01.120 sure you don't enforce all the club policies, protect the president, 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.399 you know, so you're the president's right own man. Anything 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:05.359 happens to him, you know, like you're the one that's 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.960 getting done for it, you know, so you know, does 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.120 the basic role of him, you know, like just yeah. 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.120 I see. It's almost like a poisoned chalice of sergeant 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.120 and arms now, isn't it. Because you've got to stand up. 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.920 As you said, you're the enforcer, so you're going to 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:21.879 be in the forefront of anything that goes down. 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:23.640 Yeah, you're the front. You're in the front of the line, 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.120 you know what I mean, Like if anything goes down, 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:30.600 any any dramas, anything wars, anything, you know, people after 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:32.600 the club or people are dirty on you for this, 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.560 well dirty on your members for this. You know, like 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.359 you're the you're the main man. Like to go there 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.759 and sort it, you know, so you know, and it 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.520 puts you in a bit of a position, you know, 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.200 like you're like I said, like the anxiety and that 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.319 stuff like that, the paranoid that comes with all that too. 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.440 You know, like when you're pulling up that shops at 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.239 the petrol station and that you know, car pulls up 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.360 and the boughs are next to you or behind you, 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.120 and it's the windows are tinted, you know, like you 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.200 don't know if you know to grab a weapon or 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.000 not in case you know, there's somebody it's like your 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.880 enemy or you're an enemy of your mate, you know 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.600 what I mean. That's that's so, and so he hangs around, 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.520 he hangs around old mate. You know, let's get him. 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:06.799 You know. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.960 The way you're describing describing the life, it doesn't sound 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.120 like a great life to me. 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.520 Like, no no, no, you know it is. 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.919 It's Yeah, I think it's it's good someone that's lived 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.880 the life talking about it, and yeah, others will have 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.440 to learn learn their own lessons, but this is your experience, 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.600 and there's a lot of pressure and stress. They talk 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.600 about pressure and stress in different environments, but being the 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.520 sergeant arms and the OMCG is yeah, yeah, you've been 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.640 waiting for the door, waiting for anything. 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.520 When you one hundred percent and you're not the biggest 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.279 The biggest issue I had in there too, And in 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.160 the end, which is one of the biggest reasons why 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.120 I left her, is every single prison stint I did, 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.080 or every single fight that ever did I was with 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.640 the club was for somebody else's dramas, not mine. 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:50.919 Yeah. 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:55.360 Yeah, And I thought I'm making all these enemies, but 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.120 all these other fellows are the ones causing all the dramas. 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.759 Because there's six foot tall bulletproof and on the roads 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.080 or whatever like that. Why can't they fight their bown battle? 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.640 You know, they're the ones that got themselves into that ship. Yeah, like, 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:09.920 let's get let's tell them to get themselves out of it, 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:10.399 you know what I mean? 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:11.440 Makes sense? 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.520 Yeah? Yeah, And then I just yelled, thought, fuck, I'm 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.080 going to get murdered and that or whatever like that 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.719 for somebody else's bullshit, you know. I mean, I've had enough, 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:19.960 you know. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:25.239 Okay, Well it came to a bit of a end 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.000 in that the offense that you ended up doing ten 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.239 years ten years for. Tell us about that. 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:34.879 Yeah, so that there was a bit of a war 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:39.920 going on in the club against another lad who was 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.439 an associate I've asked, but was with another club, right, 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.279 so he like, you know, he was ono on him 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.840 for years and you know, Wheels mates at one stage, 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:50.960 and he ended up owing me a bit of money 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:53.560 and so I went there to go get the money 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.040 and he didn't have it. So he didn't have it, 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.799 And then I gave him a couple of chances he 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.480 didn't have, so I punched him around. I gave him 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.880 my hiding, and then as I left, he caught up 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.560 a few people and was running me down, putting me 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.120 on the dog and you know, saying you know, we 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.279 can't this and that, you know. So I didn't like that, 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.480 so I went back, gave him another hiding the next 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.279 day and then told him just just leave it now, 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.480 just shut your mouth, just leave it at that. Then 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.399 I went back and then yeah, he kept going again. 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.239 And then another person I didn't even know, but they're 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.480 friends with my nephew come and told me, Hey, you 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:27.840 don't know me, Can I talk to you? And I 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.520 was like, yeah, yeah, nah, No, I heard that fellow, 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.440 you know, like he's saying this is this and that 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.680 about you, and I was like oh. And then I 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.080 thought I was just going to leave it, you know, 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:37.759 But then my housemate of times like, no, no, we 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.759 can't do that, you know, We've got to go get him. 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.440 I was like, can we get a feed? First? We 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.000 went passed through Macas and went there. But what did Yeah, 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.239 there went to Maccas and went down there. And but 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.719 what I didn't realize is that, for some reason, it 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.080 just felt weird, like I set up the whole time. 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:55.920 And as I've walked in to walk down to his 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.480 workship because he lived in an industrial area, he wasn't 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:00.600 in there. I thought, Oh, that's weird. But then as 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:02.879 the sun was kind of going down and I've seen 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.480 his headlights coming like not I couldn't hear the car moving, 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.560 but I can see the headlights coming up. It was a big, 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.239 big road, you know, and I looked. I walked down 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.560 and looked down, and I seen his high lucks just 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.480 sitting there in the middle of the road and like 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.000 facing me. And so I started walking towards him and 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.000 done a twelve, showed him that I had no weapons, 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.080 you know, and told him to get out the car. 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.560 You don't just have another smash, you know. And yeah, 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.640 our first gear, second gear, third gear, and just hit me, 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:24.960 just ran me over clean over you. 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:26.280 Yeah. 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.760 And then I remember, still getting stunned. I hit the ground. 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.160 He's locked the brakes up, and I thought, like I 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.880 couldn't move, couldn't hear, like everything was ringing, but I 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.280 could see what was going on, Like my vision slowly 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.160 started coming back again, and he was looking at me 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.439 through the window, you know, And I thought, no, he's 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.040 going to double back and come and run me over 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.600 to finish me off, you know. And I managed to 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.560 start moving my fingers, my toes, and as I pushed 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.359 off the ground, I just felt jelly, like my whole 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.680 left side of my body was just there was something wrong. Yeah, 0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:59.480 And I coughed up a heap of blood on the road, 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.400 and I thought, said, that's my lung, you know, like 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.320 something's happened to I'm punched my lung. And then I 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.080 yelled out to my housemail's brow so you could get 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.920 me to the hospital. Said I'm dying, and he's like no, no, 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:11.759 And we both started laughing, you know, because because I 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.600 got myself off the ground, you know, like he's like nah. 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.319 And then he come over towards me and I said, bro, 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.600 And as I started talking to him, like I was 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.719 spitting blood into his in his face. So nah, I said, 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.080 I'm dying, bro, like I know, I'm dying. You have 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.319 to get me to the hospital. So we went back 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:30.320 to his car, jumped in his car, and as we 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.480 jumped in his car, Old Mates followed us, and he 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.360 kept ramming us the whole way as we're driving to 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.680 Parmas a Medical Center. And then yeah, I thought, nah no, 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.719 like it was hurting every little every breath you name it. 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.760 Like the man of pain I went through was just excruciating. 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:45.759 And I just told him, you know, like, nah, pull 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.520 the brakes up, ram him, you know, so ram him back. 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.240 I said, We've got to do something. So my mate's 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:52.920 chucked it in reverse and we've rammed him and then 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.839 he's taken off and gave us enough time to get 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.960 to the medical center. And then as soon as we 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.359 got there, he's jumped out emergency button on the wall. 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.640 They've all run out, and I had to get help 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.759 out into the stretcher and the ambulance rocked up. I 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.040 was just yeah, I was I've never been in that 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.319 much pain in my life. And then the paramedics rocked up, 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.920 chucked me in the back, cud all my clothes off, 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.800 strapped me to the machines, and then we've just paced it, 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:18.799 you know, and they're like even there's one bloke driving, 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:20.560 one bloke in the back with me, and he even 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:22.520 said straight out to I remember him talking to the driving. 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:23.719 He's like, you need to get there, you need to hurry, 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.080 you need to push it. You know, we're losing, we're 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.839 losing him. And he goes, I need to do it now, 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.520 I need to do an a we haven't got any time, 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.120 and he's like, yep, just do it, buff and I 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.160 was gone, you know, and that's all I remember. And 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:38.600 I woke up and in the emergency department and were waiting, 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.040 like getting rushed down to surgery, and there was two 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:45.880 detectives from Major Crimes are standing over there, and they're like, oh, Shannon, Shannon, 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.600 you know, like do you want to do you want 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.360 to tell us? Tell us who did it? Tell us 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.239 who did it? And I said, I still remember, I 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:52.240 was like, no, go get fucked. 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:53.959 I heard that comment before. 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:55.480 Yeah, I was like, you know, straight out, I was like, 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.320 get fuck your dogs, you know. And then they're like, 0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.440 don't you want to know don't you want to justice? 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.320 Like your pop not going to survive this accident, you know, 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.759 like this you're probably going to die, Like wouldn't you 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:07.480 want the person who'd done this, you know, getting getting 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.920 getting thrown in jail? And I was like, fuck off 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:14.800 your dogs, you know, and so yeah, yeah, you know, 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:19.359 and yeah, no bloody. They rushed me to the hospital. Yeah, 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:21.800 and then when I woke up, I woke up I 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.359 was in a crama, fighting for my life. I woke 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:27.759 up with getting chebes pulled out of my throat and 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.400 seven broken or broken to every rib and my left 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:32.880 side my body, both my shoulder blades, tore my tendons 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.480 and my shoulders and my knee. Yeah yeah you got 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.280 me good. You know, three my ribs went through my lungs. 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.399 So yeah, and then yeah, that I was. I woke 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.560 up an ICU and then we thought it was over. 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:45.520 You know, if the doctor's surgeon's like, no, now we 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.120 got it, it's all good, you'd be good to go. 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.600 And I was in there for another three or four 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.960 days before they took me down to recovery would And 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:53.799 then that night they took me down. I went into 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.680 shock again, and just lucky, about eleven o'clock at night, 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:58.960 one of the nurses were coming to do the ops, 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.200 and I woke up about ten o'clock because I was 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.480 feeling sick. I thought this is weird, you know, And 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.040 when they've come in to do the ops, they're like, oh, hey, 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.960 are you going to started talking and then they sat there. Lucky, 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:11.920 they sat there for about ten minutes having he under me, 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:13.840 and I just went into shock and I couldn't breathe. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.400 And then they've gone up hit the emergency button on 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.560 the wall, and I remember still as soon as they 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.320 hit that button on the wall, all the lights in 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.000 that whole floor went off except for the lift, the 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.319 one to the lift where the surgeon come to my room. 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.200 And then they ran in. There was just surgeons and 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:31.439 nurses everywhere, and they're just like no, what he's lost. 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:33.319 I lost about four and a half liters of blood 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.080 and they don't know where else I was bleeding internally, 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:37.840 and they didn't know where I was bleeding from, and 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.480 so they started rushing me down to surgery and then yeah, 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:42.960 that was it. They threw me on the theater and 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.439 I was out, and then I woke up with even 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.640 more tubes hanging out of me. And then yeah, there 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.560 was a lengthy recovery that one too, Yeah, with the 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.240 staples and all that all around the halfway around my body, 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:56.880 our nitches. In the hospital, I think I was in 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.480 there for about five five weeks. 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:03.279 For five weeks, yeah, all right, and that's a precursor 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.840 to what ended up doing ten years, yeah, in prison. 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.680 So what you get out of the hospital. 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.440 Yeah, yeah, So when I got out of hospital, I 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:16.560 finally got discharged from hospital. We went back to my 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:20.600 house and I think I was only there for about 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.880 a day, maybe two days, and one I got a message, 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:25.920 an actual message from one of my nephews saying, well, 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:27.920 as I've got to tell you something, and I was like, 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.799 what's that And he's like the bloke who ran you over? 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:31.000 You know. 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.239 We just went around to his house. He asked for 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:34.840 you know, like to get a heap of boys and 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.359 come around there and have a meeting. And I was like, oh, eh, 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.480 and yeah, what's that? So what you know, He's like yeah, 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.680 and there was about you like he's offering to pay 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:46.279 him in drugs, Yeah, to run through your house and 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:47.600 get your way your bed ridden you know. 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:51.279 Oh so it is still after yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.000 So I was like, oh really, and he's like yeah, 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.120 And I was like, oh, I haven't got any weapons yet. 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.759 You know, I could barely move. So what I did, right, 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.280 I thought, you know, I'm going to go and purchase 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:06.040 some machetes and axes and keep them on my bed 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.600 so if anybody runs through, I'm just going to attack them, 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.360 you know, like we'll do what I can. And so 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.040 we did that. We ended up doing that and went back. 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:17.400 When we got back home, you know, I took on 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.440 my back nighttime, so I took my pain meds and 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:21.360 I told everyone, told my housemate, and I said, no, 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.440 I'm going to sleep now. So as I've gone to sleep, 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.120 my housemates caught up a few of his mates who's 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.000 rocked up because they thought these fellows were going to 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.360 run through the house and they've all gotten drunk, and 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.239 they thought it was a good idea to go grab 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.160 all those weapons I just purchased with my own card 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.160 to go run through their work shed first and attack them. 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:39.960 You know. 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.160 So because I purchased it with my own card, that's 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:48.440 what that's where the detectives in Darwin linked me to 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.799 it and set and charge me with the attempted murder, 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:51.520 saying that I did. 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.520 It right, and so that that crew that came from 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:57.399 your place, that took the weapons from your place, went 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.359 to the workshop or wherever yeah dude was hanging out 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:06.000 and went to do him over or bash him or what. 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.600 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well they absolutely destroyed one of the 0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:11.400 fellows that was in there, like cut a bit of 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:15.279 his vertebrae of unless I think he lost Nellie Nelly 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:20.120 lost all every single finger, fractured, skull, brain injuries. Yeah, 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.399 they really messed him up. And you know, the reason 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.760 why I purchased those weapons with my card was simple 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:27.400 fact that I knew that if I tried hiding the 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:32.920 fact that I was buying those weapons, then detectives up 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:34.359 there would have been like, well, no, we're gonna We're 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:35.319 going to charge him with murder. 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:39.200 You know, yeah, I know you end up pleading pleading 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.960 guilty to the offense. So what I picked up in 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.280 what it's been reported in the media reckless endangering serious 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.840 harm and unlawful entry with intent to assault armed. So 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.520 it was like a conspiracy that you're you're involved in. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:56.040 because you've purchased purchased the weapons a couple of things, 0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:57.960 And we had had a chat the other day and 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.440 you said, you know, this is how am I again 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.400 to defend that. If I explained the story you've just 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:05.400 explained here, and you rock up the court with your taboos, 0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.360 you're the sergeant and the arms, it's going to be 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.799 a pretty hard case to argue. So you you made 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.319 the decision to plead guilty to it. Yeah. 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.719 Yeah. Well so under the Northern Territory Mandatory Sentencing Acts, 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:19.359 if I was to get found guilty on having any 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.800 knowledge that the crime had been committed and didn't notify 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:23.680 the police, yeah, I would have got twenty five years 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.320 in prison. Automatically. I could not fight or argue that 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.719 at all. And one of my mates actually got that 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.520 like four or five years before. So the only way 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.880 I could have avoided that was by pleading guilty to it. 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.239 So I had to plead guilty to that crime even 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.239 though I didn't know that. I didn't even know that 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.720 them fella's done that to two days after it happened, 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.680 and then before I knew it does flash bombs going 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.879 off inside my house, lasers all over me, and I'm 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.320 getting dragged out, zip tied by TRG and tell. 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.759 Us about that. So you're recovering at home and then yeah, 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:55.440 early hours of the morning or yeah. 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:56.400 It was like I think it was like five in 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.960 the morning. They've said little explosives up to our glass door. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.200 Wasn't just like it was yeah, full like sa s 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:04.880 his bank bang, and it was just I still remember 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:06.480 like the flash bombs going off, and I was like 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:08.880 I was just stunned, you know. And then as soon 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:10.360 as my door got kicked open, you know, I just 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.320 seen just green dots all over me and I just like, 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.760 don't move. Dome Boom flipped me over, zip tied my legs, 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:19.759 my ankles and my my wrists to the back and 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.280 grabbed me by my my jip ties around my ankles 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:25.680 and just dragged me cleaning out down the stairs out 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:27.520 to the front before all my broken ribs, everything, and 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.720 and I still remember it from TG had the barrel 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.080 of his gun and he was hitting me in the 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:33.560 head with it, and go, I did a fucking move. 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:35.640 I did a fucking move, your dog and hitting me 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:36.520 in the side of the head with it. 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:42.080 You know, Yeah, how that make you feel? I think 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.040 it's pretty obvious how it make make you feel the 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:48.000 way that the way that you've relaid the story to 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.759 me in regards to the offense, and it's what's been 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:53.720 rapported in the media, because I was reading the media 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:56.920 reports on them, and it's not this similar to what 0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:00.400 was reported in the fact. Sheepe for the core that 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:05.280 you play the guilty. Couple of questions and just clarify 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.640 this that the man that was attacked the night your 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.239 crew went to get get him at the workshop, that 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.400 wasn't the person that ran you over. How do you 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.000 feel about that, like he's the wrong, wrong, wrong person. 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.400 Yeah, Well, to be honest, when you live that life, 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.319 they're living in that house and you want that person 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:24.080 that's in that house. 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.920 Yeah, everybody's getting got okay. 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:31.120 So and because of what happened, obviously his housemate that 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:32.239 was in that house. 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:32.720 That's the rules. 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.719 Yeah, it was like, yeah, well he's he's a house mate, 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.640 he's a friend of his. Yeah, so that's I'm guessing 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.359 that's that's pretty much what happened. That's the reason why, 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:42.480 you know, that's the reason. 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:45.279 Why I suppose the flip to that is that, yeah, 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.120 why he's caught up in what happened happened to him. 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:52.200 You're also caught up because you're associated with the crew 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.560 that have gone there, regardless of the fact that it 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.040 wasn't your plan or it wasn't your idea. 0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, you know. 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:03.160 And so so did you get to get BA? Was 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:04.600 it straight to straight the prison? 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:08.840 Straight to prison? No bail. I tried about four or 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:12.040 five times just to get bail, and even told my 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.000 lawyer and that what happened like, and he's like, oh, 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:16.880 you wouldn't do a statement? I said, Well, no, I 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:18.360 said one, I said, I said, how could I do 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:20.120 a statement? I said, but I didn't even know who 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.799 was involved or when it happened. And until two days after, 0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:24.399 I said, I still don't even know the full story. 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.040 I wasn't there, you know, So how could I do 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:28.640 a statement saying saying you know, like I was this person, 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:30.759 that person, this person when I was at home in 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.239 bed all night. Yeah, I wouldn't even know who did 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.680 it anyway, you know, but I just told him no 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.040 way in the world. You know, you're looking at life 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.120 in prison. What are you going to do. Like I said, 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.399 I'm just going to plead guilty, like it's I put 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.719 myself to be honest, like I bought those weapons. If 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:46.800 I never bought those weapons, that never were happen, it 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:48.600 wouldn't have happened. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.799 Do you look look the Shannon I'm talking to now, 0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:53.680 I'm not the Shandon back in those days. You look 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:56.680 at that and go, okay, well, yeah, I was rolling 0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:58.640 the dice. I was playing, playing on the edge, and 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.239 something was going to break eventually. Do you look at 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.439 it that way when you look back at the life 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:05.520 that you were living at the time. 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.000 Yeah, yeah, Well, when I look back at the life 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:09.719 that I was living at the time, we definitely there 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:11.960 some hairy situations and stuff like that. You know, I 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.799 thought far outlight, either I'm going to get murdered or well, 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:17.080 you know, like I'm going to go to jail for 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.839 a long time for for it, you know what I mean. 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.800 So you know, we almost fulfill all the prophecies of 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.919 you either end up dead or in jail, you for life. 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:28.600 Yeah, I almost did both, almost did life for both, 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:32.040 you know what I mean. So yeah, and I look 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.280 back at it now like I think that's just stupid, 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.280 you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.040 look back at it now and thought far out load. 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:40.480 But but at that time, you know, it was like 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:44.600 even though you had that like feeling and stuff like that, 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.759 you know, you just kept going, you know, like you 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:47.560 just look fuck it. 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.279 Well, the chat that we've had now, you've given us 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.160 a good sense of what was going through your mind 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:54.960 and that the attitude, and I thank you for your 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.440 openness and in talking about okay, well this is the 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.799 way I rolled, and this is this is the consequences 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:02.960 of we'll take a break now. When we get back. 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.919 In part two, we're going to talk about the time 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:10.160 in jail and then was what was the watershed moment 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.000 made you turn your life around and all the good 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.320 work that you're doing now. So I apologize to anyone 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.120 that's switching off after part one thinking what have we 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.600 got here? Let me assure you. Shannon has turned his 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.800 life around, and that's what we're going to explore, explore 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.640 when we get back. And also about the violence that 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:30.799 you experienced and dished out in prison and then when 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.439 you decided just to make a change to your life 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:34.479 and how that came about. 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:35.720 So yeah, no worries. 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:36.799 Okay, take a break.