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Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.

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Speaker 1: Detective see a side of life the average person is

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Speaker 1: never exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop.

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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world. Today,

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Speaker 1: I spoke the Shannon Old House. Shannon has a history

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Speaker 1: of violence. Does that make him a bad man? You

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Speaker 1: can form your own views after listening to our chat.

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Speaker 1: We talked about a lot of heavy personal stuff, growing

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Speaker 1: up as an indigenous youth in the Northern Territory, the

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Speaker 1: impact of being a survivor of child sexual abuse, family violence,

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Speaker 1: drug addiction, his own acts of violence, including a vicious

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Speaker 1: prison assault, and his time as a sergeant of arms

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Speaker 1: of an outlaw motorcycle gang. But what I found most

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Speaker 1: interesting about Shannon is what he's doing now and how

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Speaker 1: he's turned his life around. Mate, you're a scary looking dude.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at your face tattoos, neck tatoos. It's you

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Speaker 1: got it written all over you don't mess with me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's what I get from a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. Yeah, definitely, definitely that only you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's have been like that for years, you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's you know, my story is my life? Really? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's ago with the tattoos? When did you start

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny like story about We're not

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Speaker 2: really funny about it. I started getting them when I

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Speaker 2: got addicted to Metham Fatamin, you know, like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I never had any face tattoos, head tatoos or anything

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Speaker 2: until I started using heavy drugs. And then yeah, once

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Speaker 2: I started using heavy drugs, I was just like, I

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Speaker 2: want this face tattoo, I want that head tattoo.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, oh yeah, I'm true.

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Speaker 2: This is a true story. I'm not even lying about this.

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Speaker 2: I woke up in prison, and once I actually sobered

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Speaker 2: up in prison, I really sobered up. I did look

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Speaker 2: in the mirror and I was thinking, Wow, it's like,

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Speaker 2: what happened?

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Speaker 1: What have I done?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Oh yeah, I was shocked.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked myself.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, Well, you can't. You can't avoid it. Every

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Speaker 1: time you're look in the mirror, it's there, and I

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Speaker 1: would imagine people react differently to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's you definitely see the different groups of people.

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Speaker 2: When I'm walking through the streets. You see obviously people

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Speaker 2: that are hard out, gang life style. Top of people

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Speaker 2: especially because if they're from that area and I'm not

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Speaker 2: try I figure out who I am. But it's like

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Speaker 2: I've had like elderly and the kids and all that,

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Speaker 2: like it's weird, Like they love on me. They always

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Speaker 2: Did this herd? What's even the kids? You know, like yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's too it's funny. And you get all the people

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Speaker 2: like that that got enemies. You know, they look at

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Is really to be honest, it's the pain, you know.

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Speaker 1: Was it was at a time you were getting it

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Speaker 1: that leaves an impact. Let's say. Yeah, now we got

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Speaker 1: together because of a mutual mate, Jeffrey Morgan. Jeff's been

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Speaker 1: Know, get involved in that someone what he's got. It's

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Speaker 1: important having role models, isn't it. Seeing someone like with

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Speaker 2: I look at some definitely not a message I want

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Speaker 1: your time in prison, why that why that assault happened?

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Speaker 1: But an extra four years Yeah, it might have he

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Speaker 1: Do you after you do something like that, do you

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Like you know, I was. I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely it's it's definitely not a place

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Speaker 1: Where'd you grow up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was born and raised in Darwin, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: The childhood wasn't like it was it was semi okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So so at that age, what were you saying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And how did you react to that? Like

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Speaker 1: Did you think that was the norm? Did you just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, to be honest, I knew what was going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yea. So it was just you know, like all

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Speaker 2: well it was all housing commission, you know. So we

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Speaker 2: you know, I went to try to get chased by them,

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Speaker 1: They get their attention. F Yeah yeah, rock at the

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Speaker 2: Then, that's I reckon. That was even before my teens

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I went through that as a as

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Speaker 2: So yeahs I was getting sexually abused by him since

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, and it's important we talk about your

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Speaker 1: the way you turned out what you described there there,

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's exactly right. Yeah, and that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: You know what what you got taken away from from

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Speaker 1: darn was an uncle that took you down to South Australia. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So my mum's brother, he's a good man, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I was just bluing punching on in the territory

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Speaker 2: like when I was I think I was fourteen maybe.

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Speaker 1: Though that never goes down well nah, nah.

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Speaker 2: You know, I still remember when my mom walked in,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you come up and booted me in

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Speaker 2: you know, and so I ran because my stepdad woke

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Speaker 2: I boss jumped the fence took off, you know, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was too scared too that I thought that my

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Speaker 2: you know, looking for me to give me a hiding,

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Speaker 2: you know, So I just so I would, I would

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Speaker 2: you know, until I was at Casuna shopping center one

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Speaker 2: day and my sister told me that my uncle was

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Speaker 2: he said, you know, you're coming to Adelaide with me,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no it was you know, so I

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Speaker 2: a week after and we drove down back down to Adelaide.

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Speaker 2: He enrolled me into a high school down there, Underdee

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Speaker 2: High and yeah, I went through a completed year twelve

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Speaker 2: and that there. You know, I still got hooked in

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Speaker 2: punching on blew and like back. You know. As for

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Speaker 2: the street crime stuff, yeah, you know that that kind

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Speaker 2: like dropped off.

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Speaker 1: How long we're down there for? How long were you

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Speaker 2: Well that that's that there. I was there for three

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Speaker 2: four years, four years yeah that still.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you attended school, you were going to school,

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Speaker 1: yeah mate, yeah, okay, so you were looking at sort

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Speaker 2: I think I just missed home, you know, missed home.

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Speaker 2: All my nephews and nieces were growing up and they

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Speaker 2: didn't even know my name, and you know, so I

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Speaker 2: kind of wanted to go back up there and reconnect

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Speaker 2: with my brothers, my sisters, with the kids too, you know,

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Speaker 2: all the nephews and nieces, especially after like what like,

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Speaker 2: especially after what happened to me when I was growing

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Speaker 2: I didn't want my nephews and nieces to experience that

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Speaker 2: make sure that's all right. They're right, you know.

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Speaker 1: And how'd that work out for you when you when

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Speaker 1: you went back up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it started off all right, and then again I

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Speaker 2: got hooked on the grog and some of the drugs

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Speaker 1: I read one of the interviews, and you've done quite

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Speaker 1: the euphoric hit that you got when you tried it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was. I still remember the first day

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Speaker 2: I took it. I had a like a good made

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Speaker 2: of mine. We went for a drive, packed up packed

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Speaker 2: up in a like in a in the bush and

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Speaker 2: he's like, can you get that? Get the pipe out

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Speaker 2: of the glove box. I was like, oh, I thought

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Speaker 2: it was I thought it was a marijuana pipe, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I pulled in and it's just this glass pipe

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00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,199
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that's weird, you know. Gave it

433
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 2: to him and then he's pulled out this little bag

434
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 2: of ice, myth and like, what the hell is that,

435
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, and he's just like it's ice, you know.

436
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean ice? And he's nah,

437
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 2: it's like meth, you know, like it gets you high

438
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 2: and want someone's like noah, nah na stuff that, you know,

439
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: like I get drug tested and he's like, no, it's

440
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 2: out of your system in a couple of days, you know.

441
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,160
Speaker 2: And then I thought, oh, I'll give it a little try.

442
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 2: As soon as I had that first blaze, it was

443
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 2: just over, you know, like, yeah, I just can't remember.

444
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: Like the next ten years pretty much was just a blur.

445
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: I've had other people on the podcast and no people

446
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 1: that have that same story. But yeah, you think, you

447
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: think your strong willed, you could I can try it

448
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: and just see what it's like and then walk away

449
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: from it. But people just get that first first hit

450
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: and they're gone.

451
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was after that first hit, you know,

452
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 2: I just just went downhill from there, like I lost

453
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: thirty thirty six kilo, just was getting sores everywhere. I

454
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,199
Speaker 2: was just paranoid, wouldn't leave home for days, you know,

455
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,479
Speaker 2: like staring at the window for two three days at

456
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: a time.

457
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: Like you get that glaze looking that junkie type look

458
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 1: about it, you don't you?

459
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

460
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, had you got in the training and that when

461
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: you were down in Adelaide, were you doing any stuff physically?

462
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well when I was down there, I was playing

463
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: rugby and you know, like I had a little gym

464
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 2: set up and stuff like that, so I I was

465
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 2: hitting the gym here.

466
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: And looking after yourself. Yeah, and then then it just

467
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: all went skew if when you got the drugs.

468
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when I went up and got on the

469
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: drugs and it just all went down here, just no training, nothing,

470
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: just hitting the drugs heavy, not eating, screaming.

471
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not a real good promotion for it, is it.

472
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: How do you address that up?

473
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

474
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get it, get it high, and then you

475
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: destroy your life.

476
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you know, like I've had mates millionaires that

477
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: own their own bigger companies, like had contracts on minds

478
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: and at an NT like living out of the cars

479
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: like like in no time, you know from that stuff

480
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: as well.

481
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do need to get that message out, isn't it?

482
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: Like you see some really capable people with just their

483
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: lives are destroyed once they get get addicted to it.

484
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: What was the other thing you're doing in life? How

485
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: did you find your way towards bikes? What what attracted

486
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 1: the bikes first?

487
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 2: Up before the Yeah, so what happened there was I

488
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: was I was living and working in Perth at the time,

489
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: and I had a mate, a really good mate. He

490
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: was that good like I just call it my cousin

491
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: and know, and from Adelaide. And he told me that,

492
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we're going to head up to daw and

493
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: I want to introduce you to a feel of my mates,

494
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm like, oh, who your mates? Like

495
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: I know they were the White Club, you know, like

496
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 2: we're there one percenters. And I was like, oh yeah,

497
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: And I thought I don't know any one percent you know,

498
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: And I thought it'd be interesting to find out about

499
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: him and stuff like that, and so I flew up

500
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: to flew up to day and got introduced to him,

501
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a big bunch of these pretty

502
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: big big lads covering ink and stuff like that, partying

503
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: and at the pub, you know, drinking up and you know,

504
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: we just we just partied for a couple of days

505
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: and that's when I got to meet him or and

506
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: that was the first my introduction to that life, you know.

507
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: And what what the track? You're already into the drugs

508
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 1: at that stage. I've been off.

509
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: I've actually been off the drugs for a while.

510
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: The yeah, okay, so what what what attrack did you to?

511
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: What was I think it was mainly just like the tattoos.

512
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: And drinking and you tear it up at that stage.

513
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: Nah, And I had a couple of tattoos, but yeah,

514
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: nothing nothing like how I've got now. So yeah, yeah.

515
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: So the drinking, the and I hear blakes of the

516
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: bening clubs and said, look, it's the good parts of

517
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: you're you're on the high, when you're you're riding the bikes,

518
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with mates and getting all sorts of

519
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: sorts of trouble. That's the sort of attraction you were

520
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: looking for, is And I'm asking this question I'm not

521
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: saying that it's a case with you, but a lot

522
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: of the blokes I've spoken to have gone down the

523
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: path of going into the omcgs, have had childhoods where

524
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: they didn't feel like they had a connection, felt like

525
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: they were out misfits, didn't fit in, and they found

526
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: that brotherhood in the bike gang. Is that something that

527
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: resonated with you?

528
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, you don't like it. You know, like that

529
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: sense of protection too, you know, like you know, if

530
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 2: anything happened to you that you know, or you got

531
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: you all the lads and all that, they would just

532
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: come come come back you up, no matter what you

533
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: know or supposed to you know, So you know, was

534
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: that that kind of lifestyle as well? And you know

535
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 2: the how they didn't like certain criminals, you know, like

536
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: like child sex offenders, is you know, crime against children,

537
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, like all that kind of stuff too.

538
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: So you know that's definitely all that was was a big,

539
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: big partner as well.

540
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so you saw some some of shared values in

541
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: what they did. Yeah, okay, when when did you actually

542
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: what was the process of joining the club and what

543
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: club are You're happy to mention the club that you joined.

544
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was, so, I was a member of

545
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: the Rebels MCP. So yeah, we just chapter and chapter. Yeah,

546
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: so we started up and down and I joined them.

547
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: I started nominal for them, and yeah, it was just

548
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: basically all we had to do, like all I had

549
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: to do, like obviously different different parts of the clubs

550
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: and that, you know, they've got different ways of you know,

551
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: getting your colors and have it. Just prove yourself nominal,

552
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: nominal prospecting, you know, for them for for the twelve

553
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: months or however long it takes for them to give

554
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: you your colors, and you know, just work behind the bar,

555
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: make sure that you know, like all all the clubhouse,

556
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, make sure the club house clean, the bikes,

557
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, the field up, you know, going on runs

558
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: like you always got to be on runs in that too,

559
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: and get involved in all that stuff too, and volunteer

560
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: and help out with all them, you know. So and

561
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: then once you can I prove that and then you know,

562
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: all the other members and that like yeah, you know,

563
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: then yeah, they'll come to come to a point where

564
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: they're just like, all right, well we're going to give

565
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: him his colors.

566
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, did you did you have enough concern

567
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: that that stage when when you join the club that yeah,

568
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: the old addages, you're even going to end up there

569
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: or in jail. Yeah, but I suppose you've got all

570
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: the bravard they at that point in time, and you

571
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: think it's not going to happen to me.

572
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kind of, you know, especially Daryn, like darn

573
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: wasn't There was some bad stuff that happened up there too,

574
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: involving clubs and stuff like that, but it wasn't really.

575
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: It was nothing like like bloody Sydney or bloody Melbourne

576
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: or or Perth or South Australia. You know. So he's like,

577
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: you'll fighting more with you like the cruise, you know

578
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: what I mean, like mate, like pretty much my own

579
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: family and stuff like that, you know, like you know

580
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: that's who, That's who it was all warring with. You know.

581
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: So when when did you first get in trouble with

582
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: the when you were hanging out with the bikies with

583
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: the law, what was there?

584
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty thirteen and that might have

585
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: been two and thirteen.

586
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

587
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: I got done for a robbery and company. Yeah yeah,

588
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: so I was a debt collection. I went and collected

589
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: a debt or one bloke Rode. I think it was

590
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: like four thousand dollars.

591
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and did that Did you get custodial sentence

592
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: on that?

593
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got. I'm pretty sure it was a

594
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: two and a half year with twelve months twelve months

595
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: of serve.

596
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that was your first stint inside. Yeah yeah,

597
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: how did you find that? Yeah?

598
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: I was I was discussing, you know, like up in

599
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: the prison in yeah, old Bear. Yeah, so I was

600
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: the old Barama jail. So that's what was my first

601
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: introduction to prison there, you know.

602
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

603
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, they threw me in there, threw me in

604
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: a block cord. They called it the bird cage. So

605
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: it's the walls were just you know those the steel

606
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: mesh that they use when they're pouring slabs.

607
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the big holes in them.

608
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So all they did was they were the walls.

609
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: They just welded them, tacked them to yeah, like a

610
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: lego block. Yeah. Yeah, so you could see straight through them.

611
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: The breeze comes straight through, and you know, you've got dormitories.

612
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: So there's there's three wings. You know, you go to

613
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: walk in. There's a wing to the right wing, to

614
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: the left and wing straight down and then every dorm.

615
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: I think there was about two four six eight, ten, twelve,

616
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: maybe fourteen sixteen prisoners and each each each dorm.

617
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: And were you're you're in the gang at that stage,

618
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, they keep you, keep you separated or kept

619
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: kept you together. And was there other members of your

620
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: gang in there?

621
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, there was another member of the same club,

622
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: and they kept they pretty much kept us separated.

623
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, kept your own gang mate mate separated. Yeah.

624
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried keeping us us to separate it from

625
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: each other, right, yeah, through majority of the sentence. It

626
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: wasn't until halfway through it and they you know, said, oh,

627
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: you know, we chuck him in the block with with

628
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: the you know, the other member.

629
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: You know other dude, what about with the indigenous fellows

630
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: in there? Because you have the high rate of incarceration

631
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: up there in Northern Territory, did you you have people

632
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: in there, your mob in there?

633
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, like I had heaps of family in there,

634
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: like heaps. Yeah. Yeah, that was if they if they

635
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: weren't my family, then a lot of them were in

636
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: laws or in laws to my family, you know, So

637
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, I was just packs of them, you know

638
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: what I mean, like.

639
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: Did anyone did you have any that first stint that

640
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: you did inside, did anyone give you a wake up

641
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: call and go what are you doing with your life?

642
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Or it was just this is a path where we follow.

643
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: No no, you know, like it's no one actually yeah,

644
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: honestly gaming it talking to you know, like yeah when

645
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: I did that first little stint or anything like that,

646
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, yeah, they just just rolled with

647
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: the punches really and just went in there and done

648
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: my twelve months and punched on through that twelve months

649
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: I was there, you know, just trying to make a

650
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: name for myself in prison as well, you.

651
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Know, punching on in prison. Yeah, yeah, it was that.

652
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: I know. We've had Russell Mancer we mentioned there's sadly

653
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: passed away, but he tells the times he head up

654
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory and it was a rough old

655
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: roughfold time in prison. Yeah, lots of lots of fights, heaps, heaps.

656
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just every day it's just fights after fire

657
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: like coaches getting called.

658
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and no punishment for it or.

659
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: You know, you get thrown down. It's it's weird, like

660
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the people that I see,

661
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: like I've seen it that many times where the actual

662
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: people initiate the troublemakers, and that they always do it. Yeah,

663
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, like they'll come down to the back cells

664
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: like separate confinement and then they get it let out

665
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: the next day and they'll get shipped off to a

666
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: local security or anything. I had to try to separate

667
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the two groups, yeah, or you know, to separate whoever

668
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: it is, and then you'd have like people like me

669
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: and a few other young lads that you know, like

670
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: if we even said something wrong in front of the

671
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: office or whatever like that, you know, they would slap

672
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: us for and max block for another six months and

673
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: then put us on restrictions, phone restrictions, visit restrictions, non

674
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: contact stuff like that, you know what I mean.

675
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: So, just how long did you do with that stint?

676
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: You got two and a half years, was that the Yeah,

677
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: two and a half.

678
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: So two and a half years serve twelve months suspended

679
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: after twelve.

680
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: When you're in there and I'm just asking you and

681
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: everyone and have their own own different things, did you

682
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: think at some point in time in that twelve months,

683
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: and we know without giving away at the end, that

684
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: you've turned you turned your life around in your latest stint,

685
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: But in that first twelve months, did you think, Jesus Shannon,

686
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Mate? Did you, yeah, question where

687
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: your life was heading?

688
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did, Like I did. I did definitely questioned it,

689
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: you know. So it was the anxiety and that the

690
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: things that'd run through your mind when you're in no

691
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: situations and no positions in themselves, especially the back cells

692
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: and that you know, like and like it's just a

693
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: stuff too, Like you're just like there's that million things

694
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: hitting you at the same time from all different directions.

695
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: You know, you get confused and you don't know what

696
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, what's right from wrong. And like I said that,

697
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: when you come out from from themselves, you know, because

698
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people on edge in them places too,

699
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: So you can't come out and I don't want to

700
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: do this, I don't want to do that, or I

701
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: can't do this anymore, can't do that because with certain

702
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: people too, there's repercussions you know if you do try

703
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: to get out or leave or you know, like you know,

704
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: it's in any anything and dar on like all the

705
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: street gangs and stuff like that.

706
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think I understand what you're saying. You've

707
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: said in those quiet moments when you're tucked away in

708
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the cell, your head spinning, you've got thoughts going through

709
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: your mind and questioning your life and all that. But

710
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: the moment the gates or the cell door opens and

711
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: you're back in the yard, you've got to switch on

712
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: to the tough guy. Yeah, yeah, you do. You don't

713
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: give a fuck.

714
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah you can't. You can't show.

715
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: No.

716
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: It's like I said, especially that place, like there wasn't

717
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: a day in that place where I didn't well when

718
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: you weren't suffering from any kind of anxiety, like you're hot,

719
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: you lit, your anxiety levels were heightened. There was tension

720
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: in the block all the time, you know, So regardless

721
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: of how you're feeling in the cell, once the doors

722
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: are unlocked and you come out, it's game on, you know,

723
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: Like you've got to walk out with your head held

724
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: high and ready to punch on with anyone, you know

725
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: what I mean.

726
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Like it's a good environment.

727
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: Nah, Na, it's disgusting.

728
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: I've spoken the blokes in there and they talk about, yeah,

729
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: you've got to bridge up the whole time. As you

730
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: just describe, you've got to be ready to go, and

731
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: then when you get released, you're still carrying that attitude.

732
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: When you're out on the street and you walk past

733
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: someone that bumps into you and you feel like you've

734
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: got to knock him out to hold hold your ground.

735
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly what happens, you know. You

736
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: know when I got out, the same thing, and I thought, oh,

737
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, if I bump into this person or bump

738
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: into that person, you know, like, am I going to

739
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: have to punch on? Like even though I don't want

740
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: it any more? Like I've changed my life, you know,

741
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: like I've made peace with my pass and made peace

742
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: with my enemies. Whether they made peace with me after

743
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: that now it's I don't know, but I know one

744
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: hundred percent that I've made peace with them.

745
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: You know.

746
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: So you know, if I've seen them and they wanted

747
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: to shake my hand, right now, do it? You know

748
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: what I mean?

749
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Was there anything in that first thing you did in

750
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: prison that you reckon could have made the difference for

751
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: you or change your trajectory on where your life was heading?

752
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Is there anything? Or were you just You're too caught

753
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: up in the lifestyle at that point in time.

754
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: I think it was my age too, you know, because

755
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: I was still a young fella. Young I was twenty

756
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: five and twenty five, twenty six, so I still seem

757
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: in my little prime, in my prime young adult that

758
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: stage is. And a lot of the young fellows and

759
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: all that, like, and the older fellows looked up to

760
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: me too, you know, because I would punch on yeah,

761
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, and I did punch on you know, on

762
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: the streets inside, you know, so you know, I kind

763
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: of had to when I come out, you know, just

764
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: play that same role, you know.

765
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: And if you're on the sets intoxicating too, if you're

766
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: strutting your stuff and people looking up to you.

767
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, Like you know, it's and like

768
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: people don't realize too, you know, like you've after you've

769
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: done what you're done. Like I'm not talking for everybody,

770
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: but like I know a lot of the people that

771
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: do it, you know, you do feel guilty after. Like

772
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: I've seen some of the hardest lads in jail that

773
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: run the anti correction system right now come to me

774
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: depressed and ain't like upset with themselves after them half

775
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: killing somebody inside their cell because yeah, because they looked

776
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: at them the wrong way, or they owe them buy

777
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: up eighty dollar by for the week, you know, yeah,

778
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: and they come back. Oh you know, you know, I

779
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: feel bad and you know they'll shattered.

780
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen that. But the sad part in

781
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: that environment, there's you can't show any of that, can you.

782
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You got to bottle that up. As

783
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: you've described. So you got out, you're still in the

784
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: still in the bikis.

785
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: So I definitely left them.

786
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but this is after your first stint.

787
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: After the first hint. Yeah yeah, yeah, so it was

788
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: it was weird like after the first stint, I got

789
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: kicked out. So I got kicked out while I was

790
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: still in prison.

791
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: How do you get kicked out?

792
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's exactly right. I don't know. So I

793
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: got kicked out, well, I was still in prison. I

794
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: think it's because I was a little bit loose to

795
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: you know, like when I was on the drugs and

796
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: the drink I was, I was rocking up the places.

797
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to lie. You know, I

798
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: had blades on me, little samurai SuDS and stuff like that,

799
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, when you're in. When I was in, when

800
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: I was outside with the club before I went in,

801
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: and I think the lads who was they all left

802
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: the club now, but the ones who was in the

803
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: club at the time I was in the club, yeah,

804
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: they were kind of on the back foot too, thinking

805
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: that I was just spoke going to stab us or

806
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: was he going to hit us? You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

807
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: So so when I went when I got locked up

808
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: and did that twelve months, they made an executive decision

809
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: to kick me out while I was still in jail.

810
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: You know.

811
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: Well, I've heard the people getting suspended from school, but yeah,

812
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: suspended from the BIKEI club, I suppose. Only the other

813
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: one I've heard of is that man Mamas was applying

814
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: for a BIKEI club and the biking club Man Mamas

815
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: from the Link Cafe seeds that that, oh and the

816
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: bike he said, no, it's too crazy crazy for us.

817
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: But okay, so your club would sort of distance themselves

818
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: from you because that didn't give you a wake up

819
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: call that you maybe your life's are a bit reckless.

820
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of did, you know, But but I

821
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: don't know. I think I think it's because I was young.

822
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: I thought it was a cool life to live too,

823
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, like especially when I had like a little

824
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: fan base. You know, a lot of people looked up

825
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: to me and thought I was mad and mad as

826
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: you know, especially in dawn and ant.

827
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: Like, so's the wild West to start?

828
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, you know, like, yeah, there's just a

829
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: lot of stuff happening in the streets are down, you know.

830
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: So is that it was sort of buying into your persona.

831
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: I suppose that, Yeah, I'm bad, I'm the baddest of

832
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: the bad type situation.

833
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because I was like real close with a

834
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: lot of the most dangerous people in the territory at

835
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: the time too, you know. Yeah, So and they were

836
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: they were they were looking up to me, you know

837
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: what I mean. So and these these blokes here, they

838
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't care. They'll put them nine straight through your throat

839
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: without even thinking, you know what I mean. Yeah, you know,

840
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: so I thought I'd been not upset to keep this.

841
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: I better keep a bit of stay tough.

842
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we're all made.

843
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, I'll save me a knife and

844
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: the neck anyway, Jesus.

845
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a tough tough life. You're talking. How did

846
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: you get back in?

847
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a controversy in the club a few

848
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: of the members from down South and that were a

849
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: bit upset about them because they obviously they told a

850
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: little bit of FIBs about about why I allegedly left

851
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and I was like, no, I

852
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: didn't leave. I got kicked out, you know. And yeah,

853
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: a couple of the fellows that I got along with

854
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: in the club down Sowth come up and we had

855
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: a meeting and they invited me to the meeting. We

856
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: had a yarn and they said, oh, do you want

857
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: to come back in as sergeant at arms.

858
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: Right, okay, describe the role of sergeant and arms people. Yeah.

859
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just like pretty much you're enforce, make

860
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: sure you don't enforce all the club policies, protect the president,

861
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: you know, so you're the president's right own man. Anything

862
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: happens to him, you know, like you're the one that's

863
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: getting done for it, you know, so you know, does

864
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: the basic role of him, you know, like just yeah.

865
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I see. It's almost like a poisoned chalice of sergeant

866
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: and arms now, isn't it. Because you've got to stand up.

867
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: As you said, you're the enforcer, so you're going to

868
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: be in the forefront of anything that goes down.

869
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the front. You're in the front of the line,

870
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if anything goes down,

871
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: any any dramas, anything wars, anything, you know, people after

872
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: the club or people are dirty on you for this,

873
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: well dirty on your members for this. You know, like

874
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: you're the you're the main man. Like to go there

875
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: and sort it, you know, so you know, and it

876
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: puts you in a bit of a position, you know,

877
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: like you're like I said, like the anxiety and that

878
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: stuff like that, the paranoid that comes with all that too.

879
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: You know, like when you're pulling up that shops at

880
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: the petrol station and that you know, car pulls up

881
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: and the boughs are next to you or behind you,

882
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: and it's the windows are tinted, you know, like you

883
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: don't know if you know to grab a weapon or

884
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: not in case you know, there's somebody it's like your

885
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: enemy or you're an enemy of your mate, you know

886
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. That's that's so, and so he hangs around,

887
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: he hangs around old mate. You know, let's get him.

888
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: You know.

889
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: The way you're describing describing the life, it doesn't sound

890
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: like a great life to me.

891
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Like, no no, no, you know it is.

892
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: It's Yeah, I think it's it's good someone that's lived

893
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: the life talking about it, and yeah, others will have

894
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: to learn learn their own lessons, but this is your experience,

895
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of pressure and stress. They talk

896
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: about pressure and stress in different environments, but being the

897
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: sergeant arms and the OMCG is yeah, yeah, you've been

898
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: waiting for the door, waiting for anything.

899
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: When you one hundred percent and you're not the biggest

900
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: The biggest issue I had in there too, And in

901
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: the end, which is one of the biggest reasons why

902
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: I left her, is every single prison stint I did,

903
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: or every single fight that ever did I was with

904
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: the club was for somebody else's dramas, not mine.

905
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

906
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought I'm making all these enemies, but

907
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: all these other fellows are the ones causing all the dramas.

908
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: Because there's six foot tall bulletproof and on the roads

909
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: or whatever like that. Why can't they fight their bown battle?

910
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: You know, they're the ones that got themselves into that ship. Yeah, like,

911
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: let's get let's tell them to get themselves out of it,

912
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

913
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Makes sense?

914
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And then I just yelled, thought, fuck, I'm

915
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: going to get murdered and that or whatever like that

916
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: for somebody else's bullshit, you know. I mean, I've had enough,

917
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: you know.

918
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it came to a bit of a end

919
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: in that the offense that you ended up doing ten

920
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: years ten years for. Tell us about that.

921
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that there was a bit of a war

922
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: going on in the club against another lad who was

923
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: an associate I've asked, but was with another club, right,

924
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: so he like, you know, he was ono on him

925
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: for years and you know, Wheels mates at one stage,

926
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: and he ended up owing me a bit of money

927
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: and so I went there to go get the money

928
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: and he didn't have it. So he didn't have it,

929
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: And then I gave him a couple of chances he

930
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: didn't have, so I punched him around. I gave him

931
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: my hiding, and then as I left, he caught up

932
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: a few people and was running me down, putting me

933
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: on the dog and you know, saying you know, we

934
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: can't this and that, you know. So I didn't like that,

935
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: so I went back, gave him another hiding the next

936
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: day and then told him just just leave it now,

937
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: just shut your mouth, just leave it at that. Then

938
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: I went back and then yeah, he kept going again.

939
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: And then another person I didn't even know, but they're

940
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: friends with my nephew come and told me, Hey, you

941
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: don't know me, Can I talk to you? And I

942
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah, nah, No, I heard that fellow,

943
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: you know, like he's saying this is this and that

944
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: about you, and I was like oh. And then I

945
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: thought I was just going to leave it, you know,

946
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: But then my housemate of times like, no, no, we

947
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: can't do that, you know, We've got to go get him.

948
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: I was like, can we get a feed? First? We

949
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: went passed through Macas and went there. But what did Yeah,

950
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: there went to Maccas and went down there. And but

951
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: what I didn't realize is that, for some reason, it

952
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: just felt weird, like I set up the whole time.

953
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: And as I've walked in to walk down to his

954
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: workship because he lived in an industrial area, he wasn't

955
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: in there. I thought, Oh, that's weird. But then as

956
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: the sun was kind of going down and I've seen

957
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: his headlights coming like not I couldn't hear the car moving,

958
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: but I can see the headlights coming up. It was a big,

959
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: big road, you know, and I looked. I walked down

960
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: and looked down, and I seen his high lucks just

961
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: sitting there in the middle of the road and like

962
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: facing me. And so I started walking towards him and

963
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: done a twelve, showed him that I had no weapons,

964
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, and told him to get out the car.

965
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: You don't just have another smash, you know. And yeah,

966
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: our first gear, second gear, third gear, and just hit me,

967
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: just ran me over clean over you.

968
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

969
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: And then I remember, still getting stunned. I hit the ground.

970
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: He's locked the brakes up, and I thought, like I

971
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: couldn't move, couldn't hear, like everything was ringing, but I

972
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: could see what was going on, Like my vision slowly

973
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: started coming back again, and he was looking at me

974
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 2: through the window, you know, And I thought, no, he's

975
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: going to double back and come and run me over

976
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: to finish me off, you know. And I managed to

977
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: start moving my fingers, my toes, and as I pushed

978
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: off the ground, I just felt jelly, like my whole

979
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: left side of my body was just there was something wrong. Yeah,

980
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: And I coughed up a heap of blood on the road,

981
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: and I thought, said, that's my lung, you know, like

982
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: something's happened to I'm punched my lung. And then I

983
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: yelled out to my housemail's brow so you could get

984
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: me to the hospital. Said I'm dying, and he's like no, no,

985
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: And we both started laughing, you know, because because I

986
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: got myself off the ground, you know, like he's like nah.

987
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: And then he come over towards me and I said, bro,

988
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: And as I started talking to him, like I was

989
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: spitting blood into his in his face. So nah, I said,

990
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm dying, bro, like I know, I'm dying. You have

991
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: to get me to the hospital. So we went back

992
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: to his car, jumped in his car, and as we

993
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: jumped in his car, Old Mates followed us, and he

994
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: kept ramming us the whole way as we're driving to

995
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Parmas a Medical Center. And then yeah, I thought, nah no,

996
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: like it was hurting every little every breath you name it.

997
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: Like the man of pain I went through was just excruciating.

998
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: And I just told him, you know, like, nah, pull

999
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: the brakes up, ram him, you know, so ram him back.

1000
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: I said, We've got to do something. So my mate's

1001
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: chucked it in reverse and we've rammed him and then

1002
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: he's taken off and gave us enough time to get

1003
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: to the medical center. And then as soon as we

1004
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: got there, he's jumped out emergency button on the wall.

1005
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: They've all run out, and I had to get help

1006
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: out into the stretcher and the ambulance rocked up. I

1007
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: was just yeah, I was I've never been in that

1008
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: much pain in my life. And then the paramedics rocked up,

1009
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: chucked me in the back, cud all my clothes off,

1010
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: strapped me to the machines, and then we've just paced it,

1011
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: you know, and they're like even there's one bloke driving,

1012
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: one bloke in the back with me, and he even

1013
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: said straight out to I remember him talking to the driving.

1014
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: He's like, you need to get there, you need to hurry,

1015
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: you need to push it. You know, we're losing, we're

1016
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: losing him. And he goes, I need to do it now,

1017
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: I need to do an a we haven't got any time,

1018
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: and he's like, yep, just do it, buff and I

1019
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: was gone, you know, and that's all I remember. And

1020
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: I woke up and in the emergency department and were waiting,

1021
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: like getting rushed down to surgery, and there was two

1022
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: detectives from Major Crimes are standing over there, and they're like, oh, Shannon, Shannon,

1023
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, like do you want to do you want

1024
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: to tell us? Tell us who did it? Tell us

1025
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: who did it? And I said, I still remember, I

1026
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: was like, no, go get fucked.

1027
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: I heard that comment before.

1028
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, you know, straight out, I was like,

1029
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: get fuck your dogs, you know. And then they're like,

1030
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: don't you want to know don't you want to justice?

1031
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: Like your pop not going to survive this accident, you know,

1032
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: like this you're probably going to die, Like wouldn't you

1033
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: want the person who'd done this, you know, getting getting

1034
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: getting thrown in jail? And I was like, fuck off

1035
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: your dogs, you know, and so yeah, yeah, you know,

1036
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: and yeah, no bloody. They rushed me to the hospital. Yeah,

1037
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: and then when I woke up, I woke up I

1038
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: was in a crama, fighting for my life. I woke

1039
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: up with getting chebes pulled out of my throat and

1040
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: seven broken or broken to every rib and my left

1041
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: side my body, both my shoulder blades, tore my tendons

1042
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: and my shoulders and my knee. Yeah yeah you got

1043
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: me good. You know, three my ribs went through my lungs.

1044
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then yeah, that I was. I woke

1045
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: up an ICU and then we thought it was over.

1046
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: You know, if the doctor's surgeon's like, no, now we

1047
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: got it, it's all good, you'd be good to go.

1048
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: And I was in there for another three or four

1049
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: days before they took me down to recovery would And

1050
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: then that night they took me down. I went into

1051
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: shock again, and just lucky, about eleven o'clock at night,

1052
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: one of the nurses were coming to do the ops,

1053
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: and I woke up about ten o'clock because I was

1054
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: feeling sick. I thought this is weird, you know, And

1055
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: when they've come in to do the ops, they're like, oh, hey,

1056
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: are you going to started talking and then they sat there. Lucky,

1057
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: they sat there for about ten minutes having he under me,

1058
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: and I just went into shock and I couldn't breathe.

1059
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: And then they've gone up hit the emergency button on

1060
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: the wall, and I remember still as soon as they

1061
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: hit that button on the wall, all the lights in

1062
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: that whole floor went off except for the lift, the

1063
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: one to the lift where the surgeon come to my room.

1064
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: And then they ran in. There was just surgeons and

1065
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: nurses everywhere, and they're just like no, what he's lost.

1066
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: I lost about four and a half liters of blood

1067
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: and they don't know where else I was bleeding internally,

1068
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: and they didn't know where I was bleeding from, and

1069
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: so they started rushing me down to surgery and then yeah,

1070
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: that was it. They threw me on the theater and

1071
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 2: I was out, and then I woke up with even

1072
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: more tubes hanging out of me. And then yeah, there

1073
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: was a lengthy recovery that one too, Yeah, with the

1074
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 2: staples and all that all around the halfway around my body,

1075
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: our nitches. In the hospital, I think I was in

1076
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: there for about five five weeks.

1077
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: For five weeks, yeah, all right, and that's a precursor

1078
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: to what ended up doing ten years, yeah, in prison.

1079
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: So what you get out of the hospital.

1080
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So when I got out of hospital, I

1081
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: finally got discharged from hospital. We went back to my

1082
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: house and I think I was only there for about

1083
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: a day, maybe two days, and one I got a message,

1084
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: an actual message from one of my nephews saying, well,

1085
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: as I've got to tell you something, and I was like,

1086
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: what's that And he's like the bloke who ran you over?

1087
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1088
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: We just went around to his house. He asked for

1089
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, like to get a heap of boys and

1090
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: come around there and have a meeting. And I was like, oh, eh,

1091
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: and yeah, what's that? So what you know, He's like yeah,

1092
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: and there was about you like he's offering to pay

1093
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: him in drugs, Yeah, to run through your house and

1094
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: get your way your bed ridden you know.

1095
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: Oh so it is still after yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1096
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh really, and he's like yeah,

1097
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I haven't got any weapons yet.

1098
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: You know, I could barely move. So what I did, right,

1099
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I'm going to go and purchase

1100
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: some machetes and axes and keep them on my bed

1101
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: so if anybody runs through, I'm just going to attack them,

1102
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: you know, like we'll do what I can. And so

1103
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: we did that. We ended up doing that and went back.

1104
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: When we got back home, you know, I took on

1105
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: my back nighttime, so I took my pain meds and

1106
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: I told everyone, told my housemate, and I said, no,

1107
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to sleep now. So as I've gone to sleep,

1108
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: my housemates caught up a few of his mates who's

1109
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: rocked up because they thought these fellows were going to

1110
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: run through the house and they've all gotten drunk, and

1111
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: they thought it was a good idea to go grab

1112
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: all those weapons I just purchased with my own card

1113
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: to go run through their work shed first and attack them.

1114
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1115
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: So because I purchased it with my own card, that's

1116
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: what that's where the detectives in Darwin linked me to

1117
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: it and set and charge me with the attempted murder,

1118
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: saying that I did.

1119
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: It right, and so that that crew that came from

1120
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: your place, that took the weapons from your place, went

1121
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: to the workshop or wherever yeah dude was hanging out

1122
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: and went to do him over or bash him or what.

1123
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well they absolutely destroyed one of the

1124
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: fellows that was in there, like cut a bit of

1125
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: his vertebrae of unless I think he lost Nellie Nelly

1126
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: lost all every single finger, fractured, skull, brain injuries. Yeah,

1127
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: they really messed him up. And you know, the reason

1128
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: why I purchased those weapons with my card was simple

1129
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: fact that I knew that if I tried hiding the

1130
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: fact that I was buying those weapons, then detectives up

1131
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: there would have been like, well, no, we're gonna We're

1132
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: going to charge him with murder.

1133
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I know you end up pleading pleading

1134
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: guilty to the offense. So what I picked up in

1135
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: what it's been reported in the media reckless endangering serious

1136
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: harm and unlawful entry with intent to assault armed. So

1137
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: it was like a conspiracy that you're you're involved in. Yeah, yeah,

1138
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: because you've purchased purchased the weapons a couple of things,

1139
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: And we had had a chat the other day and

1140
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: you said, you know, this is how am I again

1141
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: to defend that. If I explained the story you've just

1142
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: explained here, and you rock up the court with your taboos,

1143
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: you're the sergeant and the arms, it's going to be

1144
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: a pretty hard case to argue. So you you made

1145
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: the decision to plead guilty to it. Yeah.

1146
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well so under the Northern Territory Mandatory Sentencing Acts,

1147
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: if I was to get found guilty on having any

1148
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: knowledge that the crime had been committed and didn't notify

1149
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: the police, yeah, I would have got twenty five years

1150
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: in prison. Automatically. I could not fight or argue that

1151
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: at all. And one of my mates actually got that

1152
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: like four or five years before. So the only way

1153
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: I could have avoided that was by pleading guilty to it.

1154
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: So I had to plead guilty to that crime even

1155
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: though I didn't know that. I didn't even know that

1156
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: them fella's done that to two days after it happened,

1157
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: and then before I knew it does flash bombs going

1158
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: off inside my house, lasers all over me, and I'm

1159
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: getting dragged out, zip tied by TRG and tell.

1160
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: Us about that. So you're recovering at home and then yeah,

1161
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: early hours of the morning or yeah.

1162
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: It was like I think it was like five in

1163
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: the morning. They've said little explosives up to our glass door.

1164
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Wasn't just like it was yeah, full like sa s

1165
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: his bank bang, and it was just I still remember

1166
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: like the flash bombs going off, and I was like

1167
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: I was just stunned, you know. And then as soon

1168
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: as my door got kicked open, you know, I just

1169
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: seen just green dots all over me and I just like,

1170
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: don't move. Dome Boom flipped me over, zip tied my legs,

1171
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: my ankles and my my wrists to the back and

1172
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: grabbed me by my my jip ties around my ankles

1173
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: and just dragged me cleaning out down the stairs out

1174
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: to the front before all my broken ribs, everything, and

1175
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 2: and I still remember it from TG had the barrel

1176
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: of his gun and he was hitting me in the

1177
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: head with it, and go, I did a fucking move.

1178
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I did a fucking move, your dog and hitting me

1179
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: in the side of the head with it.

1180
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, how that make you feel? I think

1181
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious how it make make you feel the

1182
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: way that the way that you've relaid the story to

1183
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: me in regards to the offense, and it's what's been

1184
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: rapported in the media, because I was reading the media

1185
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: reports on them, and it's not this similar to what

1186
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: was reported in the fact. Sheepe for the core that

1187
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: you play the guilty. Couple of questions and just clarify

1188
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: this that the man that was attacked the night your

1189
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: crew went to get get him at the workshop, that

1190
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: wasn't the person that ran you over. How do you

1191
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: feel about that, like he's the wrong, wrong, wrong person.

1192
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, to be honest, when you live that life,

1193
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: they're living in that house and you want that person

1194
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: that's in that house.

1195
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's getting got okay.

1196
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: So and because of what happened, obviously his housemate that

1197
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: was in that house.

1198
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: That's the rules.

1199
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, yeah, well he's he's a house mate,

1200
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: he's a friend of his. Yeah, so that's I'm guessing

1201
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty much what happened. That's the reason why,

1202
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: you know, that's the reason.

1203
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Why I suppose the flip to that is that, yeah,

1204
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: why he's caught up in what happened happened to him.

1205
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: You're also caught up because you're associated with the crew

1206
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: that have gone there, regardless of the fact that it

1207
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: wasn't your plan or it wasn't your idea.

1208
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, you know.

1209
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: And so so did you get to get BA? Was

1210
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: it straight to straight the prison?

1211
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: Straight to prison? No bail. I tried about four or

1212
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: five times just to get bail, and even told my

1213
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: lawyer and that what happened like, and he's like, oh,

1214
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: you wouldn't do a statement? I said, Well, no, I

1215
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: said one, I said, I said, how could I do

1216
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: a statement? I said, but I didn't even know who

1217
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: was involved or when it happened. And until two days after,

1218
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 2: I said, I still don't even know the full story.

1219
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, you know, So how could I do

1220
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: a statement saying saying you know, like I was this person,

1221
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: that person, this person when I was at home in

1222
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: bed all night. Yeah, I wouldn't even know who did

1223
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: it anyway, you know, but I just told him no

1224
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: way in the world. You know, you're looking at life

1225
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: in prison. What are you going to do. Like I said,

1226
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: I'm just going to plead guilty, like it's I put

1227
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: myself to be honest, like I bought those weapons. If

1228
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: I never bought those weapons, that never were happen, it

1229
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't have happened. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1230
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: Do you look look the Shannon I'm talking to now,

1231
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm not the Shandon back in those days. You look

1232
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: at that and go, okay, well, yeah, I was rolling

1233
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: the dice. I was playing, playing on the edge, and

1234
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: something was going to break eventually. Do you look at

1235
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: it that way when you look back at the life

1236
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: that you were living at the time.

1237
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, when I look back at the life

1238
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: that I was living at the time, we definitely there

1239
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: some hairy situations and stuff like that. You know, I

1240
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: thought far outlight, either I'm going to get murdered or well,

1241
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm going to go to jail for

1242
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: a long time for for it, you know what I mean.

1243
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: So you know, we almost fulfill all the prophecies of

1244
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: you either end up dead or in jail, you for life.

1245
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost did both, almost did life for both,

1246
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So yeah, and I look

1247
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: back at it now like I think that's just stupid,

1248
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely

1249
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: look back at it now and thought far out load.

1250
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: But but at that time, you know, it was like

1251
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: even though you had that like feeling and stuff like that,

1252
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: you know, you just kept going, you know, like you

1253
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: just look fuck it.

1254
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: Well, the chat that we've had now, you've given us

1255
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: a good sense of what was going through your mind

1256
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: and that the attitude, and I thank you for your

1257
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: openness and in talking about okay, well this is the

1258
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: way I rolled, and this is this is the consequences

1259
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: of we'll take a break now. When we get back.

1260
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 1: In part two, we're going to talk about the time

1261
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: in jail and then was what was the watershed moment

1262
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: made you turn your life around and all the good

1263
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: work that you're doing now. So I apologize to anyone

1264
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: that's switching off after part one thinking what have we

1265
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: got here? Let me assure you. Shannon has turned his

1266
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: life around, and that's what we're going to explore, explore

1267
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: when we get back. And also about the violence that

1268
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: you experienced and dished out in prison and then when

1269
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: you decided just to make a change to your life

1270
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: and how that came about.

1271
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, no worries.

1272
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: Okay, take a break.