Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Something to Talk About the Stellar podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Lamarquin, your host, and every week I sit
Speaker 1: down with some of the biggest names in the country
Speaker 1: because when Australia's celebrities are ready to talk, they come
Speaker 1: to Something to talk about. When Steph Klaire Smith recently
Speaker 1: went public with her ADHD diagnosis on Instagram, she was nervous.
Speaker 2: I think even just like talking through.
Speaker 3: All of the different ways that like different things have
Speaker 3: impacted my life and how it's like also impacted people
Speaker 3: around me.
Speaker 1: What she wasn't expecting, however, was a huge amount of
Speaker 1: people having very strong opinions on it.
Speaker 3: You know, weekly you get some people following you and
Speaker 3: unfollowing you, and there's always a bit of a plateau
Speaker 3: for me anyway, but there was a massive spike in unfollows.
Speaker 1: It's all been part of a very big year for
Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith as her fame has continued to rise,
Speaker 1: so too has her business, named in the Forbes thirty
Speaker 1: Under thirty List and the AFI Young Rich List. The
Speaker 1: co founder of health and wellness business Kick is now
Speaker 1: also expecting her second child. On today's episode, Is Something
Speaker 1: to Talk About, Steph opens up about how her and
Speaker 1: her husband's approach to juggling business and babies has sparked
Speaker 1: not only conversations among their peer group, but online, and
Speaker 1: reflects on why her ADHD diagnosis has come with relief
Speaker 1: and not fear. Steph Claire Smith, Welcome to the Stellar podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to chat.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for squeezing us in because you have
Speaker 1: had quite the big year. You have been listed in
Speaker 1: the Forbes Australia thirty Under thirty list, name in the
Speaker 1: AFI's Young Rich List. In personal news, you've gone public
Speaker 1: with your ADHD diagnosis, and else recently announced that you
Speaker 1: and your husband are expecting a second child. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm tired just talking about that. Quite the year stuff.
Speaker 1: You've got anything else planned to squeeze in the finals
Speaker 1: five weeks of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I think that'll I'm just about doing
Speaker 3: me for the year. But no, it's been a very
Speaker 3: very exciting year, both I suppose for Kick and for
Speaker 3: myself personally. But yeah, some of those awards, like the
Speaker 3: being in the thirty ound of thirty and the Rich
Speaker 3: list and everything, it still ceases to amaze me. When
Speaker 3: things like that happen, I think back to kind of
Speaker 3: where I thought my life was going when I was
Speaker 3: a teenager, and I would have never imagined being in
Speaker 3: those kind of magazines or anything so or lists amongst
Speaker 3: those kind of people. So it's still very surreal for me,
Speaker 3: but it's also such an awesome, awesome opportunity to acknowledge
Speaker 3: how far Kicks come and you know, get the acknowledgment
Speaker 3: and celebration that it deserves as a business, which I'm
Speaker 3: incredibly proud of, And I think the only thing I
Speaker 3: would have loved with both of those achievements is to
Speaker 3: have been there with my co founder and my best
Speaker 3: mate Laura and get kind of the recognition for the
Speaker 3: both of us, because we constantly say to each other
Speaker 3: like Kick wouldn't be where it is without either of us,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be where I am without her, even
Speaker 3: in my personal life. So it's been quite a special
Speaker 3: couple of months, particularly a lot of those things have
Speaker 3: happened not just this year, but in the last couple
Speaker 3: of months, so it's been a bit of a whirlwind.
Speaker 1: It has very much been a bit of a whirlwind
Speaker 1: publicly and clearly in your family as well on the
Speaker 1: Baby News. So this is you and your husband Joshua expecting,
Speaker 1: as I said, your second child, your son, Harvey, was
Speaker 1: born three years ago. What I love Step was when
Speaker 1: you were talking about this on your podcast with your
Speaker 1: co host Laura on kick Pod. You were talking about
Speaker 1: how you get asked as soon as you've had one kid,
Speaker 1: like when you're going to have another one. You said,
Speaker 1: you just want to remind everyone it's such a delicate question.
Speaker 1: You've got to be careful, you said, because it's not
Speaker 1: everyone's choice. It is such a reminder. I think that
Speaker 1: we're still very presumptuous with the questions. It's never enough,
Speaker 1: is it whatever you're doing, It's always like, when's this
Speaker 1: going to happen? What else do you have to share
Speaker 1: with us?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think when it comes to the question
Speaker 3: of when you're going to have another one, people often
Speaker 3: also follow it up with you know, it would be
Speaker 3: so good for them to have a sibling, and they
Speaker 3: say all this stuff that if you are trying, or
Speaker 3: you are hoping, or maybe you've had the bad news
Speaker 3: that you if it was something that you wanted, that
Speaker 3: it's not going to happen for you. It's like, I've
Speaker 3: already thought about the fact that, you know, my little
Speaker 3: one might not have a sibling, and that's already something
Speaker 3: that I'm dealing with, and now you're kind of saying it,
Speaker 3: proving it my point even more and making me feel
Speaker 3: worse about it. So I think it's just I mean,
Speaker 3: it even comes down to like asking people if they're
Speaker 3: going to have kids at all. Like, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, everyone's really different with how they want
Speaker 3: to live their life and the direction that they're going in,
Speaker 3: and their phases and stuff can and the desires can
Speaker 3: change as well, and that's totally allowed. But I think
Speaker 3: it's still that presumption that if you're going to have one,
Speaker 3: then you've got to give him a sibling.
Speaker 2: That pressure is a lot to deal with.
Speaker 3: And I think for us, I mean, we decided that
Speaker 3: once Harvey was born. I mean, it did make an
Speaker 3: impact to how I was at work and how I
Speaker 3: felt at work, and also knowing the plans that we
Speaker 3: had with the business, I wasn't in a position where
Speaker 3: I could, nor did I want to just pop them
Speaker 3: out and go again straight away. A lot of my
Speaker 3: friends were really keen to kind of do the two
Speaker 3: under two and kind of get through that phase of
Speaker 3: life of really young kids really quickly and keep them
Speaker 3: really close in age. But for me, it was just
Speaker 3: I didn't have that desire, and even if I had
Speaker 3: the desire, it would have been really really hard with
Speaker 3: what we were trying to do with the business. So
Speaker 3: pretty soon after he was born, I went straight onto
Speaker 3: protection so that.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen.
Speaker 3: And then when the couple of years on, like I
Speaker 3: had that desire, I definitely had always kind of seen
Speaker 3: myself having more than one kid. I grew up really
Speaker 3: really close with my brother, and I know it doesn't
Speaker 3: always end up how you experienced it, but because I
Speaker 3: have such a positive reflection on having a sibling and
Speaker 3: having that family dynamic, it was something that I desired,
Speaker 3: and it was something that my partner desired. But with
Speaker 3: what we were doing with the business, it just it
Speaker 3: was really hard to find that right and appropriate time
Speaker 3: that felt good personally in our personal lives but also
Speaker 3: made sense for the business. Because there was a time
Speaker 3: when Kick was my baby. I mean, like I refer
Speaker 3: to it differently now because I have a human baby
Speaker 3: and another on the way, But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, It's been a huge passion of mine still
Speaker 3: is to this day, and that was my baby for
Speaker 3: such a long time that it does get priority sometimes
Speaker 3: over some personal desires. And that is also because I'm
Speaker 3: not alone in it. I've got a team that I'm
Speaker 3: responsible for, and I've got a business partner to be
Speaker 3: responsible with as well to make sure that the business
Speaker 3: kind of keeps ticking along and growing. So, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was kind of through this period where we knew it
Speaker 3: was something that we wanted, but we didn't really know
Speaker 3: what it was going to feel right, And it took
Speaker 3: a lot of really open conversations, you know, even between
Speaker 3: Laura and I of when that might feel right. And
Speaker 3: some of my friends who don't own businesses or aren't
Speaker 3: in that space, they were really like a bit confused
Speaker 3: with some of those conversations, Like they were like, it's
Speaker 3: weird that it has to be so planned and so structured,
Speaker 3: Like surely, whatever happens, it'll be and you guys will
Speaker 3: just sort it out. And I'm like, yeah, I can
Speaker 3: understand why you think that way, but I think when
Speaker 3: you're just in that mindset and in that growth stage
Speaker 3: as well with the business, you're just so aware that
Speaker 3: things like this do really affect the business, so you have.
Speaker 2: To be a little bit strategic with it.
Speaker 3: It can't just flow maybe as spontaneously as others might
Speaker 3: be able to do so. And that's okay because there's
Speaker 3: flexibility in other areas from being a co founder.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's how we got to now.
Speaker 1: It's such an interesting insight, and I've heard a couple
Speaker 1: of other quite successful female founders talk about this concept
Speaker 1: as well, and it can make people feel, oh, we
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about that, like, just make the
Speaker 1: decision that's right for you and your family. But this
Speaker 1: is the decision that is right for you and your family,
Speaker 1: if I'm hearing correctly, Steph, is that factoring in what
Speaker 1: it means for your business, Your second soon to be
Speaker 1: third baby in kick is one of your values. And
Speaker 1: I think that's okay because the same way that we
Speaker 1: encourage our friends, clearly, like your friends and loved ones
Speaker 1: have said, don't worry too much about that. I think
Speaker 1: the flip side is also true is if people go, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be prioritizing another part of my life
Speaker 1: right now, or I actually have a really legitimate business
Speaker 1: reason that the time isn't right. I think we've also
Speaker 1: got to give one another the grace that that is
Speaker 1: also the path to everyone making their own decision.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I'll be really transparent here. I've always
Speaker 3: been the person that is very much like, whatever happens, happens,
Speaker 3: we'll sort it out, We'll work through it. I don't
Speaker 3: know why I'm that way, Inklind, but I've never been
Speaker 3: scared to fail or anything like that, because I just
Speaker 3: I've had too many examples in my life where I've
Speaker 3: learned so much from it and been able to work
Speaker 3: through it. Or hard times aren't that really that hard
Speaker 3: compared to some other things, And so I've always kind
Speaker 3: of been a glass half full person. But I think
Speaker 3: what happened with the first pregnancy is I might have
Speaker 3: been a little naived as to how that might affect
Speaker 3: the business or even my relationship with my co founder.
Speaker 3: And there was so many times that we didn't have
Speaker 3: some of those important honest conversations through that process, and
Speaker 3: I was almost the guinea pig for us both. Like
Speaker 3: Laura still hasn't had a child, She's now put out
Speaker 3: there that it's a desire of hers somewhere in the future.
Speaker 3: But when I first had Harvey, that wasn't something that
Speaker 3: she could necessarily relate to, and I was also experiencing
Speaker 3: it for the first time. So I think I am
Speaker 3: just a lot more aware now second time around of
Speaker 3: the different ways that I can.
Speaker 2: Still support the business or support.
Speaker 3: Laura, or be really honest and clear with her about
Speaker 3: my needs, but also really aware of how it's.
Speaker 2: Affecting her or the business.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think all of that is really important
Speaker 3: learnings as well, And maybe I was.
Speaker 2: A little to go with the flow first.
Speaker 3: Time around that now I'm like, Okay, I know what's
Speaker 3: going to happen, I know how it might affect it,
Speaker 3: So how can we kind of be a little bit
Speaker 3: strategic here and make sure that the impact is not
Speaker 3: going to be too too big. Because my personal decisions
Speaker 3: and my personal life is important, and my desires, you know,
Speaker 3: are really important. I don't want to ever ignore them
Speaker 3: because when I have in the past, and when I
Speaker 3: have recently, it's made me not a very nice person
Speaker 3: towards myself and then also sometimes to others just because
Speaker 3: I feel a little resentful. So I definitely don't want
Speaker 3: to not lean into my desires. But it's also about
Speaker 3: being very aware of how it affects others for sure.
Speaker 1: Something else i'd love to ask you about, Steph is
Speaker 1: how you and Josh have navigated this together as a couple,
Speaker 1: and you and Josh decided that he would actually become
Speaker 1: primary caregiver for Harvey. And as you've said, the business
Speaker 1: has been so successful and it's clearly a model that
Speaker 1: has worked for you. I won't ask you, obviously to
Speaker 1: speak for Josh, but i'd love to share any reaction
Speaker 1: that you've had from people.
Speaker 3: Well, when we first kind of started speaking about it,
Speaker 3: because I went back, I started to kind of do
Speaker 3: you know, the content the podcast and tune into the
Speaker 3: meetings and stuff fairly early, as you do as a founder.
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone's really different with how they take leave,
Speaker 3: but I really still wanted to kind of know what
Speaker 3: was going on and also share what was happening in
Speaker 3: my life as well through content and podcasts. But it
Speaker 3: was probably around six months that I started to actually
Speaker 3: physically be back in the office just a couple of
Speaker 3: days a week. Then it was three days, and it
Speaker 3: was four days and eventually five. So it was kind
Speaker 3: of through that transition where I started to be open
Speaker 3: about the fact that Josh was at home and at
Speaker 3: the start, Harvey wasn't in daycare. We did cop a
Speaker 3: little bit of judgment, but they were just from the
Speaker 3: really opinionated trolls that you here online. It wasn't really
Speaker 3: from friends or family. I think Josh occasionally would hear
Speaker 3: from a lot of his friends hadn't they're not They
Speaker 3: weren't in that phase of life yet, so they couldn't
Speaker 3: even relate to their partner being pregnant or having a baby,
Speaker 3: let alone them being the state home dad in their situation.
Speaker 3: But they made a few, you know, jokes to him
Speaker 3: about like how if he had a hard day or whatever.
Speaker 3: He's like, mate, you will know what hard work is
Speaker 3: or whatever, because they just couldn't relate. But I think
Speaker 3: he's been really open with them about their experience. And
Speaker 3: I think what's really special about that is when they
Speaker 3: do have a partner or decide to have kid, and
Speaker 3: some of them have now, I think they've got a
Speaker 3: little bit more of an idea of if their partner
Speaker 3: is the one that stays home from work and does
Speaker 3: look after the baby, what's involved with that and how
Speaker 3: hard that can be. So that's been really cool as well,
Speaker 3: but it is totally different for him. I mean, I
Speaker 3: formed a little bit of a mother's group. I ended
Speaker 3: up not going going through the council one because there
Speaker 3: was a couple of women in my area who I
Speaker 3: was kind of already acquaintance with, and we went out
Speaker 3: for coffee, got along like a house on fire, and
Speaker 3: just was like, Okay, this is our group now. And
Speaker 3: I still speak to them almost every week in WhatsApp
Speaker 3: and try and catch up when we can.
Speaker 2: But and they're everything to me.
Speaker 3: But Josh doesn't necessarily have that group of dads he
Speaker 3: can continuously catch up with and stuff, so over the
Speaker 3: years it has been a little bit isolating for him,
Speaker 3: I would say. But when it comes to the judgment online,
Speaker 3: I think if I think of one particular example, I
Speaker 3: remember when Harvey did start daycare, which is when he
Speaker 3: was two, I didn't do drop off for like the
Speaker 3: first three or four months. And that wasn't just because
Speaker 3: I was nervous of how that was going to go.
Speaker 3: Because we were kind of in this really heavy stage
Speaker 3: with Harvey where if I was around, he just needed
Speaker 3: all of me and like no one else could come
Speaker 3: near us. It wasn't just because I knew it was
Speaker 3: probably going to be hard, but for work, the hours
Speaker 3: of pick up and drop off just didn't work for me.
Speaker 2: At that point.
Speaker 3: I was already in the current my way to work
Speaker 3: when he was kind of getting dropped off, and then
Speaker 3: I was not getting home nearly anywhere close to when
Speaker 3: pickup would be for him. And sure I could have
Speaker 3: picked him up later, but Josh would have just been
Speaker 3: at home anyway in the afternoon, so it was kind
Speaker 3: of like I might as well go get him. And
Speaker 3: I remember when I first posted about Josh's reaction, because
Speaker 3: he kind of went through what a lot of parents
Speaker 3: do when they are the first people to you know,
Speaker 3: drop off their kid, and it's really hard, and he
Speaker 3: was crying so much because this person who he'd been
Speaker 3: with every single day for two years suddenly was in
Speaker 3: someone else's care. I posted about it, and I thought
Speaker 3: it was really beautiful and everything, but I got a
Speaker 3: few dms from people being like, I can't believe, or
Speaker 3: even maybe it was a couple of months later, I
Speaker 3: can't believe you still haven't done a drop off or
Speaker 3: a pickup, especially that first one. I would have dropped
Speaker 3: everything for my kid to do that and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that's really nice. If that's what you would have done, cool,
Speaker 3: that's your prerogative. But I wasn't in a position where
Speaker 3: I could do it. The day that he started, we
Speaker 3: had a massive planning day with the team, and it
Speaker 3: was just something that I had no flexibility with and
Speaker 3: that is what it is. And then from there it
Speaker 3: was a decision between Josh and I that it was
Speaker 3: going to be easier through that phase when he was
Speaker 3: finding it difficult for it to be Josh because he
Speaker 3: found saying goodbye to Josh at that point a little
Speaker 3: easier than saying goodbye to me. So that does come
Speaker 3: up every now and again, and of course it feeds
Speaker 3: into the guilt a little bit, but I try and
Speaker 3: ignore it as much as I can, and I think
Speaker 3: the only time it really hits me is when maybe
Speaker 3: I'm feeling vulnerable because something else is going on, and
Speaker 3: I'm just yes, things like that might hit me a
Speaker 3: little bit harder, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I kind of put myself in a position where if
Speaker 3: I heard my friend was getting spoken to like that,
Speaker 3: I'd have some pretty quick words to say to support them,
Speaker 3: and I just try and do that for myself definitely.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know you, Stef. We haven't really spoken
Speaker 1: before today, and even when you're telling that, I felt
Speaker 1: myself feel really protective and outraged on your behalf. So
Speaker 1: that's right, Steph. I'd love to also speak to you
Speaker 1: a little bit about bounce back culture, specifically with one
Speaker 1: of the programs that you work on at Kick, which
Speaker 1: of course has been Kick Bump, and for you particularly
Speaker 1: and for Laura as well, of course, with your shared
Speaker 1: background obviously having modeling and fitness, and then knowing that
Speaker 1: there's this really lovely middle ground that you're capturing between
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself and not having to sacrifice your
Speaker 1: fitness or time to yourself or your well being because
Speaker 1: you're a mother, if that's a part that a person
Speaker 1: chooses to go down. But then this pressure, which obviously
Speaker 1: you know, body image, body fascism is not a new concept.
Speaker 1: Certainly don't need to tell somebody that has worked as
Speaker 1: a model how bad it is. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on bounce back culture and how you, as a high
Speaker 1: profile woman of navigate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I hate the bounce back culture, I think.
Speaker 3: So. We actually did a poll and about fifteen thousand
Speaker 3: women in our community answered it, and four and five
Speaker 3: of them felt that pressure to bounce back after they'd
Speaker 3: had a kid, which is horrible. And it's basically what
Speaker 3: annoys me so much about it. And as you kind
Speaker 3: of touched on, I have gone through my own journey
Speaker 3: of my body image and disordered eating, and what I
Speaker 3: learned through that was just that it is so not
Speaker 3: worth it, like where you end up with your mental
Speaker 3: health and your energy and everything like that, when you
Speaker 3: try and sacrifice so much or do absolutely anything in
Speaker 3: your power to look a certain way, you just rarely
Speaker 3: ever get to a point where you're actually happy. And
Speaker 3: so with kick Bump, the whole reason we launched it,
Speaker 3: I mean, for a couple of years, there were people
Speaker 3: in our community who were falling pregnant and were asking
Speaker 3: the question, you know, what content in the app is
Speaker 3: suitable for me during my pregnancy or getting back into exercise.
Speaker 3: So it was something that was on our radar, but
Speaker 3: Laura and I couldn't necessarily relate to those women because
Speaker 3: neither of us had been through it. And I felt
Speaker 3: pregnant and started to look more in detail into what
Speaker 3: was out there for pregnant women and then, of course
Speaker 3: the postpartum period. I got really angry because a lot
Speaker 3: of the pregnancy programs were very regimented and the wording
Speaker 3: around it just didn't seem very right. And I know
Speaker 3: from speaking to some of my friends that everyone's pregnancy
Speaker 3: is so wildly different, and so it just felt so
Speaker 3: weird that there was such a prescribed kind of program
Speaker 3: that was so obviously not going to work for so
Speaker 3: many people. A lot of them were really long workouts,
Speaker 3: some of them were even Yeah, it was just didn't
Speaker 3: seem right to me, and I think what I loved
Speaker 3: is just listening to my body. And I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: super fortunate to have access to, you know, the experts
Speaker 3: that we do with KICK that if I ever needed
Speaker 3: extra assistance, I could reach out to them. But it
Speaker 3: was through that that I learned, Okay, there needs to
Speaker 3: be a lot more education out there and support for
Speaker 3: these women. And then postpartum, I think what angered me
Speaker 3: the most was almost every program out there was about
Speaker 3: getting your body back, like using those words in that term.
Speaker 3: And I was really angered by this because like the
Speaker 3: media does enough to pressure you into feeling that way
Speaker 3: and to feeling that that is something that.
Speaker 2: You should focus on.
Speaker 3: You didn't need fitness programs to also add into that
Speaker 3: kind of insecurity. And I think, as someone who had
Speaker 3: had you know, body image issues before and everything, I
Speaker 3: was so fortunate that I was pregnant and postpartum in
Speaker 3: the phase of life that I was in, because I'd
Speaker 3: done so much work on ensuring that the way that
Speaker 3: I looked at my body was was not just for
Speaker 3: aesthetics and perfectionism and all that. Because if I had
Speaker 3: fallen pregnant when I was in that phase, like and
Speaker 3: my heart goes out to anyone who is you know there,
Speaker 3: that is so much harder.
Speaker 2: But I was so.
Speaker 3: Lucky that I was able to look at it as
Speaker 3: this incredible magical experience that I was so fascinated by
Speaker 3: how the women's body works and everything, and that was
Speaker 3: that was like the main thing that took up my brain,
Speaker 3: not what might my body look like afterwards, or the
Speaker 3: genes that I have might not fit me anymore, all
Speaker 3: of that sort of stuff. But then in the postpart
Speaker 3: and period, I think the other important thing that we're
Speaker 3: not taught because there's so much pressure to bounce back,
Speaker 3: is that return to exercise. If you are someone who
Speaker 3: wants to do. That is so so important to get
Speaker 3: right and to do slowly and carefully. There are so
Speaker 3: many women who, you know, they think after six weeks
Speaker 3: they might get the GP kind of clearance to go
Speaker 3: and start exercising again, but they're not really empowered with
Speaker 3: the information and how to do that, and they might
Speaker 3: try and.
Speaker 2: Do exercise like they used to before they are.
Speaker 3: Pregnant or maybe earlier on in their pregnancy, and without
Speaker 3: getting an internal check with a women's health physio, which
Speaker 3: you don't have to do that not everyone has access
Speaker 3: to that, but without that you can't be one hundred
Speaker 3: percent sure that your body is prepared for normal kind
Speaker 3: of exercises. And so our postpart and period is really
Speaker 3: all about building back up your pelvic floor and your
Speaker 3: deep core muscles and not a lot else, because that's
Speaker 3: kind of the foundation that every women, no matter if
Speaker 3: you've had a C section or a vaginal birth, that
Speaker 3: you need to work on before you start doing any
Speaker 3: other kind of exercise. And then from there, we've got
Speaker 3: another program which has been more of a recent edition
Speaker 3: called Bridge, which is supposed to bridge people between that
Speaker 3: really early postpart and period to okay, I'm going to
Speaker 3: do some squats now and some push ups and add
Speaker 3: a little bit of resistance and everything kind of get
Speaker 3: me back in to beginner level exercise. And yeah, just
Speaker 3: supporting women through that time is so important to us.
Speaker 3: And I think being pregnant again second time around, it's
Speaker 3: brought back even more.
Speaker 2: Passion I think to do even more.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I just hope that the more that we
Speaker 3: can do, the more we can empower women to make
Speaker 3: that time for themselves and to do it for the
Speaker 3: right reasons. To know that every time they move their
Speaker 3: body or roll out their mat, it's not just because
Speaker 3: they want to get their body back or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's because it's going to help them be the strong
Speaker 3: mama that they can be.
Speaker 2: For their bar it's to give their baby.
Speaker 3: You know, the right idea that making time for yourself
Speaker 3: and moving your body is really important habits to have.
Speaker 2: That's all all the main stuff.
Speaker 3: And just connecting with others that are in the same
Speaker 3: position and making sure no one feels alone. They're all
Speaker 3: the really important things to me. Rather than bounce back
Speaker 3: and up next.
Speaker 1: Stefan confronting one of her greatest fears and going public
Speaker 1: with her ADHD diagnosis. So I'd love to talk to
Speaker 1: you also about what your ADHD diagnosis, what part that's
Speaker 1: played in your journey of figuring out who you are.
Speaker 1: And I say this as somebody who has navigated an
Speaker 1: ADHD diagnosis myself in the past few years. When you
Speaker 1: spoke about it on Instagram early this year, you said
Speaker 1: how you'd sat for too long in this daily feeling
Speaker 1: of guilt and shame for not being this person that
Speaker 1: I wanted to be, or this person that I know
Speaker 1: would be more likable to others. Maybe I've had this
Speaker 1: internal dialogue for too long now that's led me to
Speaker 1: believe I'm dumb, lazy, unreliable, disrespectful of others. Time getting
Speaker 1: this diagnosis has lifted some of that really powerful words there.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling as you and I are speaking
Speaker 1: in late November.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm still in this
Speaker 3: almost like limbo mode at the moment of like sitting
Speaker 3: and absorbing all the information. I've started to implement a
Speaker 3: few things that I've learned, you know, through chatting to
Speaker 3: people and friends and stuff that I know have been
Speaker 3: diagnosed of little things that can help them with things
Speaker 3: like tusks around the house or lateness, etc. But especially
Speaker 3: because I'm pregnant right now. You know, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to go on medication. Whether or not I choose to
Speaker 3: do that in the future, I don't know. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of at this point now where I'm just
Speaker 3: going to lean more into what can I do to
Speaker 3: help manage now that I know what's going on, instead
Speaker 3: of just kind of continuously doing the same thing, being
Speaker 3: frustrated with myself, really agree at myself and feel like
Speaker 3: I'm disappointing others. I'm now aware of what it is.
Speaker 3: I don't want to just use it as an excuse,
Speaker 3: like by no means, So what are the different things
Speaker 3: that I can do to help myself? And then also
Speaker 3: the people around me? And I'm so so fortunate that
Speaker 3: all of my close friends and family who I opened
Speaker 3: up to before I opened up.
Speaker 2: To the world about it, they were all so supportive.
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of them didn't know what to
Speaker 3: say or do, and they were very honest about that.
Speaker 2: A lot of them, just like I did.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, had this idea of ADHD
Speaker 3: that didn't necessarily suit who they thought I was, and
Speaker 3: so they were really good in the way that they
Speaker 3: are straight away?
Speaker 2: What resources have.
Speaker 3: You found that I can listen to so that I
Speaker 3: can understand it better? And also if there's anything that
Speaker 3: you know that I can do to support you, please
Speaker 3: let me know. And that's like all you can ask for.
Speaker 3: You don't like, people don't have to have all the
Speaker 3: answers to be supportive. And I think that's what I've
Speaker 3: been so fortunate with because I do know. I mean,
Speaker 3: before I was diagnosed, there's been conversations where I've either
Speaker 3: admitted myself like I've said, oh, you know, I've been
Speaker 3: thinking like maybe I'll look into getting an ADHD diagnosis,
Speaker 3: or I'm in a situation where I'm in a room
Speaker 3: and I can hear someone else saying that, and instantly
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, but doesn't everyone have.
Speaker 2: ADHD these days?
Speaker 3: Or oh but I forget things, you know, and sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm late and all this stuff. And it's been those
Speaker 3: conversations that have kind of put me off looking into
Speaker 3: it more because I'm like, oh, I just don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're right, and maybe this is just stuff that
Speaker 3: I really need to sort out. But a friend of mine,
Speaker 3: a close friend of mine, was diagnosed recently earlier this year,
Speaker 3: and she was very much like I had to sit
Speaker 3: down with a psychologist and they were like, what do
Speaker 3: you think that you're just for? You know, you just
Speaker 3: happen to have all of these symptoms ongoing every day,
Speaker 3: all aligned, and they're all ticking the boxes, but you're
Speaker 3: still not quite ADHD, Like, of course, let's look into it,
Speaker 3: like it's not just a coincidence that all of these
Speaker 3: things happened to you frequently. And I think hearing that
Speaker 3: gave me a little bit of a confidence boost and
Speaker 3: so yeah, over the last year I kind of considered
Speaker 3: it more, lent into the information more, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: really until about six months ago that I made the
Speaker 3: decision Okay, I feel like I'm ready to get the assessment.
Speaker 3: And my biggest fear with it was that they were
Speaker 3: going to turn around and be like, you don't have
Speaker 3: ANYHD because honestly, or nothing else. You know, there's nothing
Speaker 3: else that I could diagnose you with, because I think
Speaker 3: then I would have been like, okay, great, So everything
Speaker 3: that I've told myself over the years is true.
Speaker 2: This is all stuff that I really could have easily.
Speaker 3: Changed, and I just have, for some reason, chosen not
Speaker 3: to and that would kill me. So I think in
Speaker 3: a way it was I was relieved, but I think
Speaker 3: and people warned me about this, But there has been
Speaker 3: moments where I've almost kind of grieved moments and I've
Speaker 3: looked back at moments where I was really really hard
Speaker 3: on myself or when maybe some of my close relationships
Speaker 3: have struggled, and they've all been things that if I
Speaker 3: was aware of my ADHD diagnosis, I could have managed
Speaker 3: a lot better, and I also could have spoken to
Speaker 3: myself a lot kinder. So there's been reflection moments that
Speaker 3: have made me quite sad and upset, but all in all,
Speaker 3: like above all, I'm feeling really positive about it, and
Speaker 3: I just the only reason were not the only reason.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest reasons I opened up about it
Speaker 3: was because number one, I've always been very open on
Speaker 3: my social media over the last thirteen years, I've been
Speaker 3: very much an open book. And every time I've done
Speaker 3: that and touched on something vulnerable, like even when I
Speaker 3: did open up about my bingeating and everything, I was
Speaker 3: mainly met with either support and information or empowerment or
Speaker 3: people sliding into my dams being like thank you so
Speaker 3: much for speaking about this because I feel a little
Speaker 3: bit less alone now and something comforting and knowing that
Speaker 3: someone like you, who I aspire to in one way
Speaker 3: or another, also has these feelings or goes through these things.
Speaker 3: And I thought the same when I got the ADHD diagnosis.
Speaker 3: Is that I've met some pretty incredible people over the
Speaker 3: last couple of years, particularly we've had a later diagnosis.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at them any differently when they've you know,
Speaker 3: come out with the diagnosis, and I just really hoped
Speaker 3: for the same thing for me, and I've been really
Speaker 3: fortunate for the most part that it has been met
Speaker 3: with a lot of a lot of support, which because
Speaker 3: of the community that's been cultivated, it's unsurprising, the most
Speaker 3: beautiful community ever, but it's still it's still overwhelmingly amazing
Speaker 3: and positive.
Speaker 2: So I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that, because I did want to
Speaker 1: ask hearing you think about what the reaction would be,
Speaker 1: how that community that you have built had responded, because,
Speaker 1: as you said, Steph, when you go in public with
Speaker 1: something like that, there's still so many assumptions and ignorant
Speaker 1: things that people do, like you yourself, A couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I think, well, that's that's not right. I know what
Speaker 1: ADHD looks like, and you're not it. But also that conversation,
Speaker 1: which is something that you know, I've discussed on the
Speaker 1: podcast here with some very high profile people who've been diagnosed,
Speaker 1: that there is still this idea that it's a fad.
Speaker 1: And obviously there's very profound clinical reasons why we're now
Speaker 1: seeing it being diagnosed, particularly in women and girls, because
Speaker 1: it was chronically underdiagnosed for a long time. But from
Speaker 1: a social media macromedia perspective, it's much easier to go, oh, well,
Speaker 1: everyone's just getting it these days, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the new fad. So have you had to deal with
Speaker 1: a little bit of that commentary since you went public
Speaker 1: with your diagnosis.
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean I have like one point five million followers,
Speaker 3: so I had no doubt that there was going to
Speaker 3: be a handful of them that we're going to have
Speaker 3: something to say about it. But also, you know, content
Speaker 3: like that on social media platforms like that they reach
Speaker 3: people who don't follow you or support you or know
Speaker 3: you at all, and it is definitely a horrible kind
Speaker 3: of her sentiment online at the moment.
Speaker 2: With ADHD over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: I think because a lot of people, because women were underdiagnosed,
Speaker 3: a lot of people coming out with the diagnosis that
Speaker 3: people think it is this trend and that people are
Speaker 3: just getting sick of hearing about it or whatever, and
Speaker 3: so I was very aware of that, and I think
Speaker 3: it was one of the things that made me really
Speaker 3: nervous about sharing it. But again that's not what they're
Speaker 3: not who I share my content for. They have never been,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm if I lose, which I did. Actually,
Speaker 3: I don't ever look at my following number. I am
Speaker 3: not an analytical person like probably because of my ADHD,
Speaker 3: but just numberus is not my friend, and so I
Speaker 3: hate looking at data or anything like that. Whenever I'm
Speaker 3: asked to look at my insights or be aware of anything,
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I will, but I can't tell you
Speaker 3: the last time I did this. But recently I had
Speaker 3: two for a client look into my insights and I noticed,
Speaker 3: you know, weekly you get some people following you and
Speaker 3: unfollowing you, and always a bit of a plateau for
Speaker 3: me anyway, but there was a massive spike in unfollows
Speaker 3: and I looked at the date and it was the
Speaker 3: day that I posted about my ADHD diagnosis, and it
Speaker 3: made me a bit angry because one number one, I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to care about this, But two,
Speaker 3: I was like, how horrible is that that you know
Speaker 3: someone's vulnerable enough to open up about something that they've
Speaker 3: gone through and just decide that that's not for you
Speaker 3: and to leave. But then very quickly I was like, well,
Speaker 3: they're not my people. They're not the people that I
Speaker 3: want to be speaking to anyway. They're not the kind
Speaker 3: of people I want in my community if they don't
Speaker 3: accept vulnerable stuff or honesty. So I was okay with it,
Speaker 3: but it just it was one of those moments that
Speaker 3: I was really just kind of disappointed in.
Speaker 2: Society almost because of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, disappointing is a good word for it, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound that you would have second thoughts about something
Speaker 1: in future because you're not driven by the data and
Speaker 1: then analytics. But it is still disappointing to know that
Speaker 1: that vulnerability, but also just being honest about something that
Speaker 1: is an actual medical condition. We don't want to go
Speaker 1: live in a society surely where people have to now
Speaker 1: start thinking twice about I'm going to get blowback on
Speaker 1: my follow account is going to start declining if I,
Speaker 1: you know, go go in areas where people might not
Speaker 1: necessarily want to follow me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And I think also for me, you know, it was
Speaker 3: really important to be open about it because I think
Speaker 3: some of the things that I've told myself over the years,
Speaker 3: I'm sure I know, I know, are very very common
Speaker 3: thoughts with people with ADHD, and I'm sure have stopped
Speaker 3: a lot of people from striving for some of their
Speaker 3: dreams or maybe ever thinking that they could, you know,
Speaker 3: run a business or do anything like that. And I
Speaker 3: think for me it was important to talk through. It's
Speaker 3: not been easy, and I certainly would not have been
Speaker 3: able to do it alone. But there is ways in
Speaker 3: which that it actually is super bet official as a
Speaker 3: founder in business, and I want to continue to explore
Speaker 3: that and talk about it. But I think, yeah, for me,
Speaker 3: it would have just felt like a big fat elephant
Speaker 3: in the room if I didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you did, and thanks for opening
Speaker 1: up about it here too. I was very nodding in
Speaker 1: agreement when you said that could be the ADHD side
Speaker 1: of your personality where data analytics not your thing because
Speaker 1: same here. But part of my job is I do
Speaker 1: have to manage a P and L and of course
Speaker 1: so do you as the co founder of a very
Speaker 1: successful business. So before we wrap up our conversation today, Steff,
Speaker 1: I did want to talk to you a little bit
Speaker 1: about the business, but also going back to one of
Speaker 1: the first things we talked about at the start was
Speaker 1: when you were talking about your co founder Laura and
Speaker 1: the moments that you share together and having been on
Speaker 1: this incredible ride together. Love to talk to you a
Speaker 1: little bit about working with your best friend, your co founder,
Speaker 1: and then as you've touched upon your lives obviously being
Speaker 1: very different, because that's not an unusual circumstance in business.
Speaker 1: A lot of co founders have got very different circumstances.
Speaker 1: But as you say, if one of you gets an award,
Speaker 1: there's that feeling. Tell us a little bit about how
Speaker 1: the two of you have grown together and the highs
Speaker 1: and the lows. If you like a couple that might
Speaker 1: stand out for you in this path together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean Laura and I have that kind of friendship
Speaker 3: that when people meet us, they think that we've known
Speaker 3: each other our whole lives, and they're surprised to kind
Speaker 3: of find out that we actually only met each.
Speaker 2: Other a year before we started our ebook together.
Speaker 3: And even in that year, we barely saw each other
Speaker 3: because we're both traveling a lot for work. But it
Speaker 3: was just one of those friendships that you just kind
Speaker 3: of click with the person. And we're actually quite different
Speaker 3: as people, especially back then in our early twenties, but
Speaker 3: we had very very similar values and had gone through
Speaker 3: very very similar struggles dieting and exercise in our bodies
Speaker 3: and everything. So we had that shared kind of desire
Speaker 3: to do something about and to use our platforms for
Speaker 3: good in that way. And so I think when we
Speaker 3: came together and started working on Kick, neither of us
Speaker 3: had any idea where it was going to grow to.
Speaker 3: Obviously we had different ambitions, but I think the biggest
Speaker 3: thing that we did was just take opportunities, you know,
Speaker 3: by the reins, and say yes a lot and embrace
Speaker 3: failure along the way, or you know, look back at
Speaker 3: some decisions and think, oh, you know, our guts were
Speaker 3: probably pretty on at that time, saying we shouldn't do this,
Speaker 3: but we did it anyway. And now we've learned that
Speaker 3: our gut feeling is something to lean into. But that's okay,
Speaker 3: that's what running a business looks like. And we've now
Speaker 3: been doing that for almost ten years together. And so
Speaker 3: I think also as an individual, you go through so
Speaker 3: much growth in your twenties, from early twenties to your thirties,
Speaker 3: like so much change and stuff happens in your personal
Speaker 3: life as well. It's been really cool to both be
Speaker 3: there together through a lot of that. Spend a lot
Speaker 3: more time with your I mean team in general, but
Speaker 3: especially your founder, your co founder. Then you do a
Speaker 3: lot of your loved ones, and so it's really important
Speaker 3: that that is quite a healthy relationship. And over the
Speaker 3: years it's only gotten stronger. And the only way that
Speaker 3: that happened was because we had to have some like
Speaker 3: really honest and open conversations. And I think, as you said,
Speaker 3: with the different phases of life that were in necessarily
Speaker 3: now that mainly shifted when Harvey was born or when
Speaker 3: I became pregnant with Harvey. Up until that point, we
Speaker 3: were pretty on par with where we were out in
Speaker 3: life and what excited us and everything like that. So
Speaker 3: reflecting back and also knowing now it can be quite jarring,
Speaker 3: and I do. Actually there's been moments where I've felt
Speaker 3: and she knows this, but there's been moments where I've
Speaker 3: felt fearful of, you know, our friendship weakening because we're
Speaker 3: in different phases and like she just doesn't get me,
Speaker 3: or like I maybe just don't get her anymore or whatever.
Speaker 3: But again, it's been through addressing that and talking about
Speaker 3: it and just being really honest that that's really the
Speaker 3: only way you can kind of push past those things
Speaker 3: without them kind of boiling in the background and becoming
Speaker 3: way worse than they need to be. And we've only
Speaker 3: learned that through having those conversations. So we're trying to
Speaker 3: have them more and more these days. But I think
Speaker 3: just the love and respect that we have for each
Speaker 3: other is what's got us through some of those tougher
Speaker 3: transitions or hard times in business. And I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been able to do it without her. And I'm not
Speaker 3: just saying that, you know, because of being very like
Speaker 3: I have a clear understanding of things that I struggle
Speaker 3: with and challenges that I have, especially since the diagnosis,
Speaker 3: and it's made a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But I personally just love working in teams. I love collaborating.
Speaker 3: I don't like solo stuff unless I'm playing the sims
Speaker 3: or knitting and so so you know, having her on
Speaker 3: this journey is being what's got me through, and I
Speaker 3: know for her it's the same. So yeah, we just
Speaker 3: continue to work as a team and to be really
Speaker 3: honest with each other about what we both desire.
Speaker 2: And kick and even outside of it.
Speaker 3: And it's been awesome and so excited for what's to
Speaker 3: come as well, because we're yeah, certainly nowhere near done yet.
Speaker 1: Well, my final question, then i'm part of the multimedia
Speaker 1: empire that you have built together, is that of course
Speaker 1: you co host a podcast together, and I'd love to
Speaker 1: ask you, as you know, one podcast host to another,
Speaker 1: do you and Laura read the reviews And I'd love
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts step on any specific gender feedback
Speaker 1: because it's a bit of a sort of an algorithm question.
Speaker 1: So I think for me, you know, being older and
Speaker 1: working in mainstream media for much of my career, there's
Speaker 1: often been a quite an overt conversation about quote unquote
Speaker 1: women's media and people blatantly talking, oh, we don't want
Speaker 1: women on radio, and people feel like they're getting nagged
Speaker 1: by their wives and just this really like quite regressive narrative.
Speaker 1: And love to ask your thoughts as a young woman.
Speaker 1: And we've seen, between you and Laura and some other
Speaker 1: really high profile successful women in their twenties and thirties,
Speaker 1: this sort of new face of multimedia, I think, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to know whether you are still encountering that
Speaker 1: sort of sexist trope or do you think that it's
Speaker 1: hopefully getting a little bit wound back. Do people come
Speaker 1: after you for the way that you talk or talking
Speaker 1: about frivolous things. I mean, we've obviously touched upon a
Speaker 1: little bit about this in terms of parenting, but yeah,
Speaker 1: for you as women working in the media, I would
Speaker 1: really like to hear whether you think things are getting
Speaker 1: better or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I like to think that they're getting
Speaker 3: better for sure. I don't personally read our reviews.
Speaker 2: I never have.
Speaker 3: I would not like to do that to myself. I
Speaker 3: know Laura in the past has she's quite you know,
Speaker 3: a type personality perfectionism, Like she's very much like once
Speaker 3: as much back as she can on everything that she
Speaker 3: does in life so that she can better herself in it.
Speaker 3: And I think she's now got a healthier relationship with
Speaker 3: it than how she necessarily used to take some of
Speaker 3: the feedback, like she's able to read a comment now,
Speaker 3: you know, from some random that might say something like
Speaker 3: she laughs too much in the podcast, and she's able
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, well that's ridiculous and just don't
Speaker 3: listen to the podcast.
Speaker 2: What do you not like?
Speaker 3: Joy?
Speaker 2: So that's good, and I'm so glad she's there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for me, I just avoid it because I
Speaker 3: know that if I don't know, if I read something
Speaker 3: that hits a nerve of an insecurity of mind, that
Speaker 3: I won't stop thinking.
Speaker 2: About it, So I avoid it.
Speaker 3: But obviously when you can't avoid it is if we've
Speaker 3: put a social snippet up of the podcast, you know,
Speaker 3: people who don't even listen to the podcast will chime
Speaker 3: in with what you're saying or talking about.
Speaker 2: And even more recently, like.
Speaker 3: Over the last couple of years, we've spoken about sex
Speaker 3: more on the podcast than we have necessarily in the past.
Speaker 2: That's been for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 3: Number One, we're both you know, pretty happily married and
Speaker 3: very healthy sexual relationships, and it doesn't feel like something
Speaker 3: that we can't We've also got feedback that our podcast.
Speaker 3: You know, our listeners feel like they're at a cafe
Speaker 3: sitting down with their girlfriends, and that's the kind of
Speaker 3: conversation they want to listen into. So we think about
Speaker 3: the stuff that we talk about with each other and
Speaker 3: we just bring it to the microphone, and that's sex
Speaker 3: a lot of the time, and for us, stuff that
Speaker 3: we love to also listen and hear about. And it's
Speaker 3: the taboo topics that we don't understand why aren't spoken
Speaker 3: about more. But just recently I did I shared a
Speaker 3: funny story on the podcast and we posted a snippet
Speaker 3: and there was so much judgment on that, and unfortunately
Speaker 3: it wasn't just sexist, you know, it wasn't just men
Speaker 3: saying it, which there was definitely men saying that it
Speaker 3: shouldn't be spoken about and that stuff should be private
Speaker 3: between marital spouses and stuff like that, but there was
Speaker 3: women in the comments as well, basically bringing us down
Speaker 3: and talking about how horrible it is and what would
Speaker 3: Harvey think when he grows up seeing this content and everything,
Speaker 3: and that kind of just annoys me.
Speaker 2: But again, they're our best performing podcast.
Speaker 3: Our listeners love hearing about the more taboo topics and
Speaker 3: we hear feedback, like I get DMS after opening up
Speaker 3: about stuff like that and they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the same thing happened to me.
Speaker 3: I haven't even been to tell my friends about it,
Speaker 3: but I'm so glad you said it because now I'm
Speaker 3: not alone and laughing about things like that and just
Speaker 3: making things lighter, like we love to be able to
Speaker 3: do that. So yeah, I try not to feed too
Speaker 3: much into the feedback that we receive. And it's not
Speaker 3: that I don't like constructive feedback because we're really lucky
Speaker 3: in the team that we've got, you know, with Listener,
Speaker 3: they're our producer and everyone in the team at Listener,
Speaker 3: like they do give us feedback and they've you know,
Speaker 3: helped us grow so much as podcasters over the last
Speaker 3: couple of years. It's those people and the regular listeners
Speaker 3: that we survey and ask directly for feedback that I'm
Speaker 3: always open to hearing, like how we can improve it
Speaker 3: or what topics they're interested in, what they're not, et cetera.
Speaker 3: But for the outskirts, I just feel like, just scroll
Speaker 3: on by or do not listen, Like I'm not forcing
Speaker 3: you to listen into this, And yeah, try not to
Speaker 3: think about it too much.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think it's just the difference between constructive feedback
Speaker 1: wherever it comes from, and negativity for the sake of negativity.
Speaker 1: And something that we talked about on the podcast quite
Speaker 1: recently with another guest who was quoting Brene Brown, you know,
Speaker 1: about being in the arena and this It is such
Speaker 1: a great quote and we were sharing it among our
Speaker 1: team because I think it's just such a resonant point
Speaker 1: anytime that you take a risk or make yourself vulnerable,
Speaker 1: whoever it is, whoever any of us are, whether it's
Speaker 1: just opening up about something, talking about a diagnosis or
Speaker 1: something that's going on in our family, or talking openly
Speaker 1: about sexuality, these are things that people do welcome, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it can make people uncomfortable, and as you say,
Speaker 1: that's okay, but don't I think work through that feeling
Speaker 1: of discomfort by coming after people or trying to silence them.
Speaker 2: Agreed. Agreed. Steph.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that you have achieved and for your absolutely
Speaker 1: mammoth year. Wish you all the best with your second baby.
Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure to talk to you today
Speaker 1: and you can find out a lot more about Steph
Speaker 1: Claire Smith and Kick via the link in our show notes. Steph,
Speaker 1: thank you again for your time and joining me on
Speaker 1: Something to Talk About today.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: it and.
Speaker 1: You can find out more about Steph, Claire Smith and
Speaker 1: Kick via the link in our show notes. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your company today. If you've enjoyed this episode, make
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