WEBVTT - “Dumb bigotry” and recession warnings: the week in politics

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven AM. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>the Albanezi government has been forced to confront a growing

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<v Speaker 1>sense of instability with fresh warnings from the IMF about

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<v Speaker 1>the global economy, including the potential impact on Australia. It

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<v Speaker 1>places new pressure on Treasurer Jim Chalmers ahead of the

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<v Speaker 1>budget as the government deals with a fuel suppli scare

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<v Speaker 1>that pulled the Prime Minister back to the country in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of an overseas mission to secure supplies for

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<v Speaker 1>the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an incident that obviously is regrettable, particularly given

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<v Speaker 2>the timing in which it has occurred, but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Advice as labor tries to steady nerves. The opposition is

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<v Speaker 1>pushing a hard line of migration, with Angus Taylor reaching

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<v Speaker 1>for politics that feels both familiar and deliberately divisive, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that it prompted a former Prime Minister to

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<v Speaker 1>release a scathing statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Kidding said Angus Taylor marks himself out as a political

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<v Speaker 3>leader unworthy of the leadership of a party that has

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<v Speaker 3>managed Australia for the greater part of the last century.

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<v Speaker 1>Today Press Gallery veteran pau Bon Jorno on the economic

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety hanging over the government, the oppositions in sandiary picture,

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<v Speaker 1>migration and how both sides are trying to define the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Saturday, April ad.

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<v Speaker 3>Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we had a pretty dire warning from the

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<v Speaker 1>IMF that a global recession is looming, as Jim charm

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<v Speaker 1>has met with economic ministers in DC. How bad is

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<v Speaker 1>it looking for Australia and for the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Daniel I got to say, it's looking very bad

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<v Speaker 3>for everybody, Australia and the government, and we're all in

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<v Speaker 3>the one boat. In fact, I don't think we can

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<v Speaker 3>make a distinction between the government and Australia here. Albanizi

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out that what we've got is the biggest global

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<v Speaker 3>spike that's ever happened in Australian history when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to oil and energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course we're not immune. This is a global spike.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the biggest global spike that has ever happened in history,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's had an impact on inflation and on the

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<v Speaker 2>price of fuel right around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we want to get a bit of an

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<v Speaker 3>insight into what the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank

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<v Speaker 3>thinks these impacts will be, it put out its world

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<v Speaker 3>economic outlook during the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, if the shock gets larger, if the disruptions

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<v Speaker 2>get more severe, then we could get more of an

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<v Speaker 2>inflection shark that would last more Internet under it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it says the United States Israel war on Iran

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<v Speaker 3>risks creating quote an energy crisis of unprecedented scale that

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<v Speaker 3>could end in global recession. And Jim Chalmers doesn't quibble

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<v Speaker 3>with the assessment of the IMF that the situation could

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<v Speaker 3>see Australia with higher inflation than most advanced economies.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of a more sort of complex time in

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<v Speaker 1>which to prepare a federal budget in recent memory. Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>how much pressure does the IMF warning and the war

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<v Speaker 1>put on the treasure ahead of next month's budget and

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<v Speaker 1>how does it change what we can expect?

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<v Speaker 3>All of those questions are extremely relevant and Charmers I think,

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<v Speaker 3>summed it up pretty well when he said during the week.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a very serious, very dangerous time for the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Now Australia is better placed and better prepared than a

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<v Speaker 4>number of other countries, but we won't be spared the

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<v Speaker 4>fallout from this very substantial economic shock.

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<v Speaker 3>And the world, the Bank, the IMF is warning that

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<v Speaker 3>incomes that is national incomes. Personal incomes will obviously fall.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this will be made worse if the usual prescription

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<v Speaker 3>that we get from the Reserve Bank and central banks

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<v Speaker 3>around the world is that if inflation is running out

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<v Speaker 3>of control, you up interest rates. Life more miserable, especially

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<v Speaker 3>for borrowers. And by borrowers, we don't only mean people

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<v Speaker 3>borrowing to fund their mortgage, to fund their home, but

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<v Speaker 3>borrowers in business, small business. This can have well a

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<v Speaker 3>devastating impact. And during the week I was talking to

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<v Speaker 3>a quite senior advisor to the Prime Minister who said

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<v Speaker 3>that Albanezi is well aware that walking this tight rope

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<v Speaker 3>is in a danger of poking the bear of the

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<v Speaker 3>Reserve Bank. That if the Reserve Bank judges that the

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<v Speaker 3>treasure of the government's got it wrong, they'll go harder

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<v Speaker 3>with interest rates. So it's more than a dilemma, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a real fix that the government and the country is

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<v Speaker 3>in and I guess we just have to hang on

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<v Speaker 3>to our seats for this very wild ride.

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<v Speaker 1>At the heart of all the pressure that's on the

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<v Speaker 1>government at the moment is the fuel supply situation, which

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<v Speaker 1>was exacerbated this week. One of only two Australian oilron

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<v Speaker 1>finals was engulfed in a massive fire good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 5>The impact of afire at the Carrio Oil refinery in

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<v Speaker 5>Geelong is expected to have serious consequences. The blaze is

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<v Speaker 5>now extinguished after a small gas league sparked an explosion

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<v Speaker 5>late last night.

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<v Speaker 1>The PM flew home early from Malaysia to address the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of the fact that he rushed

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<v Speaker 1>back to stand in front of the ore refinery and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Couldn't have Richard Miles just done that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's seeing as he was a local member and the

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<v Speaker 1>deputy Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, Anthony Albinizi is acutely aware of just how perilous

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<v Speaker 3>the politics of this situation is. He cannot afford as

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister. The government cannot afford to look like

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<v Speaker 3>it's sitting back, shrugging its shoulders and telling the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of us to eat cake. That's why Albanizi embarked on

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<v Speaker 3>personal diplomacy, going up indu Asia to personally argue our

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<v Speaker 3>case to our major fuel suppliers in Singapore, Brunei and Malaysia.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure our diplomats could have done it. The High Commissioners

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<v Speaker 3>could have knocked on the doors, but when the Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minute turns up, it gives it weight and it also

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<v Speaker 3>says that we're taking this extremely seriously. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's why he flew directly back from Malaysia into Geelong

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<v Speaker 3>this week to say, I'm here. I want assurances that

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<v Speaker 3>what is happening here has been dealt with in the

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<v Speaker 3>best possible way.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think, Paul, that if the Prime Minister in

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<v Speaker 1>the government is not seen as dealing with this situation appropriately,

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<v Speaker 1>that Albanezi recognizes that this is a potential government rerecord, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It is indeed, and I think that also we have

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<v Speaker 3>seen historically governments lose elections rather than oppositions win them,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can't necessarily count on the opposition continuing to

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<v Speaker 3>be as hopeless as it has been in the last

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<v Speaker 3>year or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Through all of this, Paul, the PM, of of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to keep everyone calm, which was the aim

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<v Speaker 1>of Albanese's highly ridiculed national address a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got some inciting tale on what was going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you heard?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I've heard of, which which was quite interesting, really,

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<v Speaker 3>was that Australia's two biggest supermarket change Coals and Woolworths

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<v Speaker 3>were very worried in the very early days, the first

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<v Speaker 3>week of the crisis, that a run on supermarket supplies

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<v Speaker 3>would leave them incapable of keeping up with the demand.

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<v Speaker 3>So they came to Albanizi and they said, look, we've

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<v Speaker 3>got to calm the place down. And that was the

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<v Speaker 3>real purpose I was told of Albanzi going with that

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<v Speaker 3>bland statement. Now a lot of people say, look, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to have an address to the nation, you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to say I'm the prime minister and the world

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<v Speaker 3>is about to end. Otherwise, don't bother you know, otherwise,

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<v Speaker 3>just buy an ad, Whereas the real point was, I'm here,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the Prime minister, and the current situation doesn't demand

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<v Speaker 3>panic because Albanizi knows, as we all know, how long

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<v Speaker 3>this lasts and what its impact will be. He's not

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<v Speaker 3>trying to pretend that we haven't got a crisis on

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<v Speaker 3>our hands. But the best way to manage it is

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<v Speaker 3>we've got supplies. Now, we're confident that we have even

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<v Speaker 3>more than we usually have for another month at least,

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<v Speaker 3>so let us just do prudent business as usual. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was explained to me as the reason why we

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<v Speaker 3>got rather bland appearances from the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up dumb, bigotry, offering a fantasy, poor keating, scathing takedown.

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<v Speaker 5>Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>The Opposition's had a very different focus this week, immigration

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<v Speaker 1>by discrimination and that's not something that I'm putting a

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<v Speaker 1>spin on. That saying is Taylor's own words.

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<v Speaker 6>So, ladies and gentlemen, Australia has a non discriminatory immigration program.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't discriminate based on nationality, race, gender or faith.

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<v Speaker 6>But for an immigration program to work in the national interest,

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<v Speaker 6>it must discriminate based on values.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you make of the Liberal Party's migration policy, Well, what.

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<v Speaker 3>I made of it was that it was an act

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<v Speaker 3>of sheer desperation and in grave danger of damaging a

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<v Speaker 3>consensus in this country that essumes racism, that looks for

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<v Speaker 3>multicultural harmony, that looks for national unity rather than cheap

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<v Speaker 3>shots and appealing to what you might call base prejudice.

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<v Speaker 6>Not everyone wanting to migrade to Australia has a noble intent.

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<v Speaker 6>Not everyone wanting to my grade to Australia will be

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<v Speaker 6>a net benefit to Australia. Indeed, some will be a

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<v Speaker 6>net train.

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<v Speaker 3>Every populist racist button that could be pushed was pushed

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<v Speaker 3>by Angus Taylor in a way that some of the

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal backben said to me went further than Susan Lee

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<v Speaker 3>would even have gone, and she was beginning to skate

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<v Speaker 3>quite close to the win there. And it's all in

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<v Speaker 3>the context of the fact that the Liberal Party in

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<v Speaker 3>the upcoming Pharaoh by election in a few weeks time

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<v Speaker 3>are running third. One Nation and an independent candidate are

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<v Speaker 3>vying to win that by election, and the Liberals are

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<v Speaker 3>desperate to claw back as much support from people who

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<v Speaker 3>have decided to abandon the coalition or the Liberals for

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<v Speaker 3>One Nation. In other words, Taylor is trying to outdo

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline Hansen, and there's plenty of evidence in state and

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<v Speaker 3>federal elections past that that won't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out

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<v Speaker 1>of Phara, given that's a seat that relies heavily on

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<v Speaker 1>immigration for its workforce, and some aspects of that seat

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the ghost of Christmas Island past. John Howard was

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<v Speaker 1>in the front row. How Howard esked was Taylor's speech well.

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<v Speaker 3>Angus Taylor even came to paraphrasing a famous battle cry

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<v Speaker 3>of John Howard in the two thousand and one election.

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<v Speaker 6>To those who say we'll be in breach of the

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<v Speaker 6>refugee Convention, will decide who deserves protection and the circumstances

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<v Speaker 6>in which that protectionis now.

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor made a big thing of saying that his immigration

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<v Speaker 3>policies Australian values placed. But it seems that Taylor is

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<v Speaker 3>prepared to dump the humanitarian values that underpin the UN

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<v Speaker 3>conventions that he here is blithely promising to discard.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of ghosts PM's past, Paul Keating came out with

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<v Speaker 1>some withering words for Angus Taylor. Can you take us

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<v Speaker 1>through some of what he had to say?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Keating was appalled enough to release a withering statement

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<v Speaker 3>against the Taylor immigration policy prescriptions. He likens them to

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump's crackdown in the United States, the vetting of

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<v Speaker 3>people's social media at the border, the threat to kick

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<v Speaker 3>people out who don't somehow measure up to the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>values statement. Keating says Taylor for base political reasons, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is an interesting tack from the former Labor Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, for base political reasons, Taylor has elected to

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<v Speaker 3>walk away from the best instincts of the Liberal Party,

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<v Speaker 3>the party of Robert Menzies, of Harold Holt, of Malcolm Fraser,

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew Peacock, Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull. All of these

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<v Speaker 3>leaders played a part in opening Australian borders to refugees.

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<v Speaker 3>Fraser famously with the Vietnamese Holt began the dismantling of

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<v Speaker 3>the White Australia policy. Keating said that by adopting racism,

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<v Speaker 3>with its shabby appeal to differentiation and primal instincts, Angus

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor marks himself out as a political leader unworthy of

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<v Speaker 3>the leadership of a party that has managed Australia for

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<v Speaker 3>the greater part of the last century. He says racism

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<v Speaker 3>is not simply immoral and abhorrent, it is absurd, as

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<v Speaker 3>if somehow a person's race makes one person more worthy,

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<v Speaker 3>more human than another. Kidding says the blight of Pauline

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<v Speaker 3>Hansen is that her dumb bigotry offers a fantasy, the

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<v Speaker 3>fantasy that Australia in the modern age can return to

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<v Speaker 3>a monoculture.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the motivation behind this? Francus Talen, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think his hardline approach to migration will play for the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal parties, there's a smart move if they want to

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<v Speaker 1>win back the Teal seats in the cities, how is

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<v Speaker 1>this going to play out in those seats, Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, precisely. And it's interesting that Zarie Steger, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the Teal independents, was very outspoken in her criticism of

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<v Speaker 3>this policy.

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<v Speaker 5>It was hateful and divisive and it's a dog whistle

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<v Speaker 5>to one nation voters.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't see that in appealing to the extreme right

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<v Speaker 3>of the spectrum, how you're then going to bring back

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<v Speaker 3>the alienated moderates and those who are more at the

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<v Speaker 3>progressive wing of the Liberal party. It just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Compute, Paul. There's a lot that doesn't compute right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Daniel Bye.

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