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Speaker 1: Appoche production. This podcast contains discussions of abuse, trauma, mental health,

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Speaker 1: and family conflict. Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the day you got the phone calls. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that would have been insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was a Monday morning. I went to work.

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Speaker 1: I had a client.

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Speaker 2: I remember I got like a Wendy's salad because I

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Speaker 2: had like a ten minute window to eat lunch. So

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Speaker 2: I remember I had a Wendy's salad and it's so

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Speaker 2: like weirdly relevant. But I went in and I was

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Speaker 2: there for all of about I want to say, thirty

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Speaker 2: minutes before I got a couple calls from an unknown

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Speaker 2: number or not unknown unknown to me, but Charlotte area

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Speaker 2: phone number.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know anyone over there, so.

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Speaker 2: I'll call him back. They'll leave a message. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe I forgot to maybe I forgot to pay

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Speaker 2: the power bill, like maybe it's maybe something like that.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I answered the call. I can't even remember the guy's name.

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Speaker 2: I wish I remembered, but he introduced himself as you know,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah FBI agent. He said that they were

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Speaker 2: at my home executing a search warrant.

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Speaker 1: He said that I needed to come back. I asked.

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Speaker 1: I was very panicked. I remember I walked.

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Speaker 2: I was standing in my client's kitchen when I got

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Speaker 2: the call, but I walked out to their front steps obviously.

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Speaker 1: To take that call.

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Speaker 2: And I remember he told I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: is my daughter okay? And he was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: have your daughter and tie right here and they're fine.

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Speaker 1: He's like, we just need you to im back, and

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Speaker 1: he was really nonchalant, like.

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Speaker 2: It was chill, and I of course wasn't all that chill.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, of course, I'm ten minutes away.

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Speaker 1: I will be right there. You know what's going for

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Speaker 1: your head?

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Speaker 2: Though at the moment, like what's going for your head?

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Speaker 1: Fbibi? Nothing?

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Speaker 2: If the cop is ring me, I'm just going, oh,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's something's like broken in.

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Speaker 1: But the FBI is massive news, so no, I know.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, is this because I

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Speaker 2: watched True Crime?

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Speaker 1: Like what is the issue? And so I like, which

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Speaker 1: is the dumbest thought. But he was so nonchalant. He

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Speaker 1: even told me when I told him i'd be there

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Speaker 1: in like ten.

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Speaker 2: Minutes, he was like, okay, like don't like, don't speak

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Speaker 2: or anything, and.

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Speaker 1: It was like.

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Speaker 2: A casual conversation for him, as is his job.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like this is yeah. So I'm driving back.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what's going like I think my

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Speaker 2: mind is second, like, like what's going on? What could

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Speaker 2: possibly like have because I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Someone who gets in trouble.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm driving towards my unit and there's no

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Speaker 2: cop cars nine and so I'm like.

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Speaker 1: The hell, what is going on?

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Speaker 2: And so get I get to the front of my building,

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Speaker 2: I pull up my Wendy Salad there.

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Speaker 1: Unheaten and I'm getting out of my car. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get my stuff.

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Speaker 2: I can't get it, so I'm just like fuck it,

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Speaker 2: I'll get it later. So I try to get out

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Speaker 2: of my car right when I open the door to

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Speaker 2: agents and an unmarked car pop out and come over

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Speaker 2: to me, flash me their badges, and you know, they're like,

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Speaker 2: lock your door, lock your door, and this is the

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Speaker 2: male agent that said that there's a female agent.

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Speaker 1: But the male agent lock a door, locked the door.

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Speaker 1: So I locked my car door. But I was kind

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Speaker 1: of like wait, why, like what's going on?

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Speaker 2: And they told me, you know, Tyran, And then I

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Speaker 2: just don't even there was not even a thought.

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Speaker 1: It was an immediate panic attack. You know. It was

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Speaker 1: like because I couldn't breathe. I'm like, why did he run?

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Speaker 1: And it was it was just like I couldn't breathe.

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Speaker 1: I was having a hard time walking.

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Speaker 2: So the female agent was, you know, kind of holding

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Speaker 1: I asked him, I'm like, what's going on? What's They're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna just like it's okay everything. You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: your daughter. It's all fine.

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Speaker 2: Like the woman, I honestly wish I knew who she

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Speaker 2: was because she was honestly amazing.

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Speaker 1: She was so sweet and so helpful. But we come in,

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Speaker 1: I see my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she's sitting with like she said, we had this

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Speaker 2: little circle table and she's sitting at this table with

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Speaker 2: like three FBI agents and like playing with their badges

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Speaker 2: and like or whatever on the table. And then I

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Speaker 2: so I see her and I clock. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: she's fine. Back to panicking.

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Speaker 1: So then I see agents.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was like three in my kitchen that

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Speaker 2: were working on computers.

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Speaker 1: I was like what. And there was some in like

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Speaker 1: every one of our rooms.

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Speaker 2: And I live in like a two bedroom, two bath,

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Speaker 2: so it's decent sized, but like, there are agents everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I heard the guy that called me, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: his name, but he had a unique voice. It was different.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the guy who met me outside. So I

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Speaker 2: went up to him and I was like, what is

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Speaker 2: going on? And he's like, he's like, do you know

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Speaker 2: anything about like internet activity? And I'm like what, and

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Speaker 2: he's like, you know, like maybe some illegal internet activity.

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Speaker 1: I'm like no, and.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, yeah, I know, you don't know. I

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Speaker 2: just have to ask because your name is on the

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Speaker 2: Internet provider. And then they told me, they're like, so

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Speaker 2: I have been He's under arrest for, you know, creating

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Speaker 2: and possessing and distributing child They called it child pornography.

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Speaker 2: I advocate for them not to call that pornography implies consent.

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Speaker 1: It's not to call it that.

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Speaker 2: It's called child sexual abuse material, and that's very important

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Speaker 2: and I hate that they use that terminology.

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Speaker 1: But then they told me and your daughter was the victim.

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, I remember, there wasn't even.

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Speaker 1: It was just shock. I think it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I would say it wasn't that I didn't believe that

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Speaker 2: it happened. It was just that I was in disbelief

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Speaker 2: that I was living this experience at this moment, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, It was like surreal. So I

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Speaker 2: had this weird surreal feeling. I did ask them, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: is there any way this is like a mistake, And

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Speaker 2: they're like, oh, no, no.

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Speaker 1: This is not a mistake.

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Speaker 2: It's him.

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Speaker 1: Did you see this footage?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so some some stuff. I They've offered for

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Speaker 2: me to see all of it, and I've declined because

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Speaker 2: I've seen enough. But I didn't see that stuff until

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Speaker 2: a couple of days later.

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Speaker 1: So was it only was it only your daughter that

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Speaker 1: he had that off? So no, he was in possession

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Speaker 1: of others.

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Speaker 2: So they like just so they trade because it's so

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Speaker 2: hard to get.

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Speaker 1: Because they have to be so like, it's.

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Speaker 2: Hard for them to get, so they trade photos and

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Speaker 2: so he you know, in that trading process of trading

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Speaker 2: our daughter were whoever else?

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Speaker 1: There were obviously other victims.

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Speaker 2: So in that sense, there are other victims, but he

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Speaker 2: in the manufacturing department, it was only our daughter.

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Speaker 1: So he wasn't He wasn't only just selling off photos

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Speaker 1: of his own daughter. He was actually receiving photos of

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Speaker 1: other people. Wow, yeah, that's how they do it. They

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Speaker 1: trade disgusting. Yeah, how long had they been doing it for?

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Speaker 1: What did they say? So?

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Speaker 2: I didn't find this out until much much later, But

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Speaker 2: November twenty twenty two is when the National Center for

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Speaker 2: Missing and Exploited Children they got an alert from Snapchat

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Speaker 2: and discords. So then they reported that alert to the FBI.

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Speaker 1: So a full a full on most year before his

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Speaker 1: or us. Yeah. Yeah, so that so.

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Speaker 2: Going back to what we were talking about, You're you're

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Speaker 2: trying to now in your head think about how they started.

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Speaker 1: Where, where's he the time to do it? Was he

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Speaker 1: using like you, Did he have a laptop at home

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Speaker 1: or did he use a computer work a lot? He

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Speaker 1: had a laptop here. There was actually nothing on it.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing on any of the laptops. It was

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Speaker 1: all on his phone. Oh okay, yeah, they went through

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Speaker 1: all our laptops. Yeah. Nothing.

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