WEBVTT - The Coalition is in crisis (again)

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven Am. The

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<v Speaker 1>Coalition is again in crisis. The latest News poll puts

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<v Speaker 1>their primary vote at twenty seven percent. It's worst on record,

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<v Speaker 1>and with one front bencher sacked over immigration comments and

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<v Speaker 1>others threatening to quit of a climate policy, the party

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<v Speaker 1>seems more divided than ever. Today Press Gallery journalist Karen

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<v Speaker 1>Middleton on the ideological battle lines tearing the party apart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monday, September twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>So Karen, let's go back to the first trouble in

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<v Speaker 2>this latest saga for the coalition. I think a good

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<v Speaker 2>starting point is the sacking of Tenter Nabujeba Price. So

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<v Speaker 2>tell me what happened there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we remember there were protests in capital cities about

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<v Speaker 3>the levels of immigration, and the flyers that were put

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<v Speaker 3>out ahead of those protests at which some neo Nazis

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<v Speaker 3>spoke were complaining in particular about the levels of Indian immigration.

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<v Speaker 3>Senator Senter Nampajimpur Price did an interview on ABC Afternoon

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<v Speaker 3>briefing the ABC twenty four program.

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<v Speaker 4>Senator, welcome to the program, Thanks for having me. It's

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<v Speaker 4>National Flag Day and you've written a piece.

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<v Speaker 5>You say Australia should criminalize the destruction of the desecration

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<v Speaker 5>of the national flag.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you think she was on the program?

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<v Speaker 3>Ostensibly because in Parliament that day to mark National Flag Day,

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<v Speaker 3>she had got up wrapped herself in the Australian Flag chambers.

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<v Speaker 5>For the benefit of all Australians in this country. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>snark all you like, it's revolting. You don't love this

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<v Speaker 5>country the way I do, certainly not like most Australians do.

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<v Speaker 3>So, and she got some questions about the immigration protests

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<v Speaker 3>and her views, and she appeared to endorse the sentiment

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<v Speaker 3>that there were too many Indian migrants and all said

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<v Speaker 3>she believed the Labor government was bringing Indian migrants into

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<v Speaker 3>Australia to boost their vote as we've seen you know,

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<v Speaker 3>mean you yourself mentioned that there is a concern with

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<v Speaker 3>the Indian community, and only because there's been large numbers

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<v Speaker 3>and we can see that reflected in the way that

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<v Speaker 3>the community votes for Labor at the same time, so

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<v Speaker 3>if they're going to see a reflection, and it sort

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<v Speaker 3>of exploded in a political sense for the coalition. The

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<v Speaker 3>leader Susan Lee immediately went out to try and repair

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<v Speaker 3>relations with the Indian Australian community.

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<v Speaker 6>May I take this opportunity as leader of the Liberal

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<v Speaker 6>Party to apologize to all Indian Australians and indeed others

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<v Speaker 6>who were hurt and distressed by the comments that were made,

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<v Speaker 6>Comments that I said at the time should not have

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<v Speaker 6>been made.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was trying to fix that up, and the

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<v Speaker 3>suggestion was made that Jacinto Nampajepreprice should apologize, and in

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<v Speaker 3>the end a few days later, when she was asked

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<v Speaker 3>about it, she still didn't apologize, and in fact she

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<v Speaker 3>double down.

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<v Speaker 5>Unfortunately, the issue that's of great concern, which you know

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<v Speaker 5>I won't be silenced on, is the issue of mass

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<v Speaker 5>migration in our country.

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<v Speaker 3>And when asked if Susan Lee as leader had her support,

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<v Speaker 3>she declined to give it. Repeatedly, do you have confidence

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<v Speaker 3>in her leadership?

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<v Speaker 5>Look again, those matters are for our party room. Those

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<v Speaker 5>matters are for our party room. My focus is to

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<v Speaker 5>go forward and to ensure that.

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<v Speaker 3>We're Susan Lee had to do something about it in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of her position, and she was removed from the front.

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<v Speaker 2>Bench and all of this led straight into the boiling

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<v Speaker 2>over of another struggle inside the coalition Net zero. So

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about that and why the Coalition at this

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<v Speaker 2>moment in time is still seeming unable to settle on

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<v Speaker 2>a climate policy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because there's still a constituency in the Coalition on

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<v Speaker 3>the right, in the Liberal Party and within the Nationals

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't believe in strong action against climate change. I

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<v Speaker 3>think some of them still don't believe in climate change

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<v Speaker 3>at all, although some of them who have expressed denial

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<v Speaker 3>type views about climate change in the past are now

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<v Speaker 3>saying they do accept human induced climate change, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think have dated Little Proud, the Nationals leader, as well,

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<v Speaker 3>but he still is opposed to the policy to reach

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<v Speaker 3>net zero emissions by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 7>The Coalition voted against legislating net zero target by twenty

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<v Speaker 7>fifty and we voted against the twenty thirty target, and

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<v Speaker 7>now obviously we're going through a process of review of

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<v Speaker 7>the net zero position both parties.

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<v Speaker 3>So this decade's long conflict inside the coalition about whether

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<v Speaker 3>to take action on climate change about energy transition continues,

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<v Speaker 3>and in some ways it's also a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>proxy war for the factional infighting, particularly in the New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales Liberals. Alex Hawk is from New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a prominent figure, as I said, in that center faction.

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<v Speaker 3>He was Scott Morrison's sort of key lieutenant when Morrison

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<v Speaker 3>was Prime Minister. And the Right is backed and led

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<v Speaker 3>effectively in the background by figures like Tony Abbott and

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<v Speaker 3>to a degree Peter Kredlin who's now a Sky News

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<v Speaker 3>commentator and Tony Abbot's former chief of staff. But they

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<v Speaker 3>still wield influence and they are seeking to drive the

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<v Speaker 3>coalition's policy in a more conservative direction, particularly on this issue.

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<v Speaker 4>So they don't seem to accept.

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<v Speaker 3>That it was one of the key reasons the Coalition

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<v Speaker 3>lost the election, and they are continuing to prosecute the case,

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<v Speaker 3>and that means it also becomes a vehicle to destabilize

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<v Speaker 3>Susan Lee's leadership with those factional tensions underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>Leta, as you touched on, you don't agree with the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty five targets were set via the government, but

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think that target should be?

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<v Speaker 6>We don't believe in setting targets at all from opposition

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<v Speaker 6>or from government, thanks ever.

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<v Speaker 3>But stumbling over her words on climate change and emissions reduction,

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<v Speaker 3>as Susan Lee did on Friday when she suggested the

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<v Speaker 3>Coalition didn't support setting targets even in government is not

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<v Speaker 3>going to help her. Sorry, guys just want to say

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<v Speaker 3>she's got to add to.

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<v Speaker 4>She had to come back out and clean that up immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's just a gift to her political opponents, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's Anthony Albanezi or the people inside her own party.

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<v Speaker 4>What I meant to.

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<v Speaker 6>Say was that I don't support the targets that the

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<v Speaker 6>government sets while we're in opposition.

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<v Speaker 4>So I misspoke.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say they continue to prosecute the case,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me more about what this group on the right

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<v Speaker 2>of the Liberal Party and the Nationals.

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<v Speaker 4>So people like Barnaby Joyce Andrew Hasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me what we're hearing from them about net zero

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<v Speaker 2>right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and Juicy inter NAMPAJMP Prices is in that group

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<v Speaker 3>as well. She holds the same view that they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be pursuing a net zero emissions by twenty fifty policy.

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<v Speaker 3>Barnaby Joyce and Michael McCormack, both former Deputy Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>There's former leaders of the Nationals, have come out very

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<v Speaker 3>strongly saying they believe the coalition should oppose that policy firmly.

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<v Speaker 3>They are arguing that their rural constituents are distressed and

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<v Speaker 3>alarmed at the way the energy transition is playing out

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<v Speaker 3>in regional areas. Andrew Hasty is from Western Australia. He's

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<v Speaker 3>also a Conservative now to Shadow Home Affairs Minister formally

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<v Speaker 3>Shadow of Defense and with a background and the Special Forces.

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<v Speaker 3>He says his constituents are opposed to the levels of

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<v Speaker 3>climate action that are being played out under federal government policy,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's against the net zero policy too. And he

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<v Speaker 3>gave a provocative radio interview a week or so ago,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, and it was a little mercurial his answer, where.

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<v Speaker 4>Would he be if they did that? He'd be out

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<v Speaker 4>of a job.

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<v Speaker 8>If Susan Lee, though, supports net zero by twenty fifty,

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<v Speaker 8>where does that leave you? That leaves me without a job?

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<v Speaker 8>Go on, elaborate on that. That would be it for you.

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<v Speaker 4>I've mailed, I've nailed my colors to the mask. Gary like,

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<v Speaker 4>if I go out with a tide in two and

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<v Speaker 4>a half years, that's great, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So he seemed to actually be saying in the moment,

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<v Speaker 3>if voters vote me out because I'm opposing net zero

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<v Speaker 3>and this level of climate action and the renewables transition,

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<v Speaker 3>so be it, but it was interpreted as him saying

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<v Speaker 3>I'll quit the front bench, and he hasn't corrected that.

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<v Speaker 3>He's almost sort of surfed that wave since, and so

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<v Speaker 3>that is now seen as a sort of a different

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<v Speaker 3>kind of direct challenge to Susan Lee and to the

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<v Speaker 3>suggestion that they may continue to adopt a net zero policy.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got Susan Lee trying to hold the show

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<v Speaker 3>together and commissioning this review being undertaken by her front

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<v Speaker 3>bench of Dante and it's not a happy ship at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And that review, as you say, is underweight still. But

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<v Speaker 2>are there any signs as a result of all of

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<v Speaker 2>this that nuclear power could be back on the table

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<v Speaker 2>as coalition policy?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is the pointy end of this whole debay,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it. Really.

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<v Speaker 3>We've heard David Little from the Nationals in the last

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<v Speaker 3>few days re endorsing nuclear power, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Believe passionately in it region. Australia is more than just

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<v Speaker 7>a place littered with transmission lines, solar panels and wind turbines.

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<v Speaker 3>Pointing to the argument that the more we use artificial intelligence,

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<v Speaker 3>the more data centers we're going to need to manage

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<v Speaker 3>that the greater the power need and the only way

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<v Speaker 3>to supply that power is with nuclear power. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the problem with that argument is the data centers are

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<v Speaker 3>going to be needed a lot earlier, and the extra

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<v Speaker 3>power is going to need a lot earlier, and then

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear power stations could be built. So there's a timeline

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<v Speaker 3>flaw in the argument. But he is indeed pressing that point.

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<v Speaker 3>So that tells you there are still some key figures

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<v Speaker 3>in the Coalition that are willing to reignite that nuclear debate,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's not a dead issue by any stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, how the global far right is influencing Australian politics, Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>When Susan Lee took over as leader after that catastrophic

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<v Speaker 1>election for the Coalition, her task was to bring the

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<v Speaker 1>party back to the center, to recapture the mainstream that

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<v Speaker 1>the party seem to have lost. But as we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>these tussles play out over immigration over climate, does this

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<v Speaker 1>show that she is failing at that task?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think to be fair Susan Lee, she's only

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<v Speaker 3>been in the job for four months. We don't have

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<v Speaker 3>another election for almost three years, so she's got a

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<v Speaker 3>way to go yet. But it's certainly difficult and It

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<v Speaker 3>tells you that these issues, these old slawny issues, these

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<v Speaker 3>ideologically divisive issues like climate change, like immigration, continue to

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<v Speaker 3>play out in our politics now. They come to the

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<v Speaker 3>fore particularly strongly when people are under economic stress, and

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<v Speaker 3>Australians still are. The cost of living problems still exist,

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<v Speaker 3>and in some corners of Australia people want to blame

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<v Speaker 3>levels of migration because they say that's what's putting pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on infrastructure and services and pushing prices up. And so

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<v Speaker 3>that issue is problematic for the coalition and for Susan Lee,

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<v Speaker 3>and so is this climate issue. She sat just into

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<v Speaker 3>nampajmper price. She immediately reshuffled her front bench. She elevated

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<v Speaker 3>Claire Chandel from Tasmania and our Claire Chandler is.

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<v Speaker 4>Also a Conservative.

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<v Speaker 3>She's replaced a conservative with a Conservative and a woman

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<v Speaker 3>with a woman. But she's made some enemies in her

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<v Speaker 3>whole front bench, shaping the likes of Jane Hume, who

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<v Speaker 3>was a prominent front bencher and shadow Finance Minister who's

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<v Speaker 3>much more moderate in the previous coalition shadow ministry under

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton. She lost her front bench position and there

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<v Speaker 3>are others in the party unhappy. So she's got a

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<v Speaker 3>task to pull them together and to manage that. But

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<v Speaker 3>if these things continue to play out, it will be difficult,

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<v Speaker 3>and with the polls as low as they are, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>something will have to give and improve. The fact that

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<v Speaker 3>she has Alex Hawk sort of at her elbow is

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<v Speaker 3>also angering a number of people, particularly in the New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales liberal conservative wing, and so there's this sort

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<v Speaker 3>of proxy.

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<v Speaker 4>War going on underneath.

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<v Speaker 3>She needs him for her factional protection, but he's also

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<v Speaker 3>potentially a liability in that factional sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And karent to what extent do you think that this

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<v Speaker 2>ideological struggle within the coalition is being influenced by what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening to the right wing of politics overseas, Because obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you've got this populist authoritarian ESQ government in Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>the MAGA movement in the US, but also in other

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<v Speaker 2>places in the UK, the far right Reform Party has

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<v Speaker 2>been gaining popularity. So how much notice do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that certain people within the coalition are taking of these

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<v Speaker 2>global trends.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of notice, and this is a very interesting influence.

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<v Speaker 3>We are seeing the rise of leaders on the what

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<v Speaker 3>you might call the far right. I mean, as you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned in the United Kingdom, Nigel Farage, his party seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be on the ascendant, But the incumbents in a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of other countries are from the center left or

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<v Speaker 3>the left, you know, Keir Starmer in the United Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Carney in Canada, like minded or ideological allies of

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albanesi, the Prime minister here.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's this ascendancy of the right.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you look back to our election campaign, Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump was elected in November. He was inaugurated in January,

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<v Speaker 3>our election campaign began soon after, and our election was

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<v Speaker 3>in May. And the way the Trump arrival played out

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<v Speaker 3>during that campaign was that it seemed to advantage Anthony Albanesi,

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<v Speaker 3>who was critical of Trump's policies, all the kinds of

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<v Speaker 3>policies that Donald Trump was espousing. So being sort of

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<v Speaker 3>against Donald Trump is seen to have had a political

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<v Speaker 3>positive domestically for Anthony Alberanisi and his government. So the

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<v Speaker 3>coalitions looking abroad seeing these parties and these leaders powerful

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<v Speaker 3>and on the ascendante, but domestically endorsement of those ideas

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<v Speaker 3>did not play well.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a hard it's a hard thing for them.

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<v Speaker 3>To wrestle with how best to present themselves to voters

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<v Speaker 3>at the next election in a way that they might

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<v Speaker 3>actually defeat the current government now in its second term.

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<v Speaker 2>So a big task I had then for Susan Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think she's going to approach it?

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<v Speaker 4>Haha?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean to pull the party together. The first

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<v Speaker 3>thing you really got to do is you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>get that poll rating up. I mean it was in

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<v Speaker 3>the last News poll it was down to twenty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 4>That's diabolically low.

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<v Speaker 3>In order to do that, she needs to find issues

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<v Speaker 3>on which she can differentiate from the government and prosecute

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<v Speaker 3>a strong case. Now, the government's emissions reduction targets for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thirty five are a good example. She's choosing to

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<v Speaker 3>prosecute a case on those. At the same time, she's

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<v Speaker 3>got people in her party who are pulling her in

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<v Speaker 3>opposite directions on that very issue. So it's a huge

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<v Speaker 3>challenge for her to unify her party. And the whole

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<v Speaker 3>way that Peter Dutton managed to unify his party was

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<v Speaker 3>to not allow any dissent to say this is my way.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a strong leader. So Susan Lee can't really replicate that.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't work. But in order to try and resolve

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<v Speaker 3>these things. You know she's going to face a struggle

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<v Speaker 3>to hold the party together and be a genuine alternative

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<v Speaker 3>in the lead up to.

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<v Speaker 4>The next election.

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<v Speaker 2>Karen, thank you so much, Viatain, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 4>Ruby.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, twenty five Republican lawmakers in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States have warned world leaders they'll face punitive

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<v Speaker 1>actions if they recognize Palestinian statehood. Prime Minister Anthony Alberinezi

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in New York on Sunday morning along with other

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<v Speaker 1>world leaders for the UN General Assembly, where multiple countries

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<v Speaker 1>tend to formally recognize a Palestinian state. In a letter

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<v Speaker 1>addressed to Anthony Alberaneesi as well as the leaders of Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>at France, and the UK, the Republicans write, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a reckless policy that undermines prospects for peace and the

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<v Speaker 1>families of hostages held in Gaza have staged another protest,

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<v Speaker 1>accusing Prime Minister Benjamin net Nyaho of endangering their loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones with Israel's attacks on Gaza City. It comes as

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<v Speaker 1>Hermas released images of the hostages, also warning that Israel

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<v Speaker 1>is putting their lives at risk and accusing Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>net Nyaho of refusing to negotiate a cease fire. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the forty seven hostages remaining in Gaza, about twenty are

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<v Speaker 1>thought to still be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ruby Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven am. See you tomorrow,